| slickymaster | knome, I was starting to work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1250560, but apparently elfy already had replaced every occurrence of gksudo with a non-root command | 00:11 |
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| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1250560 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Use of gksudo/gksu in testcases for Xubuntu Desktop in Trusty Daily " [Undecided,In progress] | 00:11 |
| knome | heh. | 00:11 |
| slickymaster | so, the question is what do I do with the bug? | 00:11 |
| knome | if it's fixed, mark it as fix released ;) | 00:12 |
| slickymaster | knome, ok, thanks | 00:12 |
| Unit193 | knome: Fix commited, unless you can apt-get it. | 00:14 |
| slickymaster | Unit193, actually I was in doubt between commited and released | 00:15 |
| slickymaster | *committed | 00:15 |
| knome | Unit193, well that's not appropriate | 00:15 |
| knome | slickymaster, if it's in the tracker, released; if it's not in the tracker, committed | 00:16 |
| slickymaster | knome, it's in the tracker | 00:16 |
| knome | then it's released | 00:16 |
| slickymaster | so we can consider that the fix has already been released | 00:16 |
| slickymaster | ok | 00:17 |
| slickymaster | done | 00:17 |
| slickymaster | morning all | 10:28 |
| ochosi | morning | 10:31 |
| knome | hullo | 10:31 |
| slickymaster | ochosi: according to http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds-xfdesktop the appearance style to be is used is Xfce | 10:34 |
| ochosi | slickymaster: yeah, since this is a part of xfce-core, we have to stick to their guidelines | 10:36 |
| ochosi | and it's less problematic as with parole because there's no gtk3 part | 10:36 |
| slickymaster | ochosi: WTH can I get this style? I've wrecked my brain searching for it but haven't been able to find it | 10:36 |
| ochosi | ok, you need to install the package "gtk2-engines-xfce" | 10:37 |
| slickymaster | I must be going dumb or something :( | 10:37 |
| ochosi | nah, it's not really intuitive | 10:37 |
| ochosi | sorry for not mentioning that earlier | 10:37 |
| slickymaster | done | 10:38 |
| ochosi | i thought we had discussed that already when commencing work on the parole docs | 10:38 |
| slickymaster | tks | 10:38 |
| slickymaster | nopes, and since I'm faithful to Greybird-Mac never have used it before | 10:39 |
| slickymaster | but it's done | 10:39 |
| ochosi | ah, greybird-mac? how does that look exactly? | 10:41 |
| slickymaster | IMHO, and with the elementary Xfce darker icons it's one of the best looking desktops out there | 10:42 |
| ochosi | :) | 10:43 |
| * ochosi bows | 10:43 | |
| slickymaster | ochosi: aren't we going to do a command-line options for xfdesktop, like we did with parole? | 10:43 |
| * slickymaster thanks | 10:44 | |
| slickymaster | ochosi: ^^^ | 10:44 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's currently in "advanced" in xfdesktop | 10:44 |
| slickymaster | saw it now | 10:45 |
| slickymaster | it's quite incomplete though | 10:45 |
| slickymaster | I'm guessing it's still not finished, right? | 10:46 |
| ochosi | yeah | 10:51 |
| ochosi | i guess more of the xfce docs could use work | 10:51 |
| ochosi | don't think anyone's really working on that | 10:51 |
| slickymaster | since we're working on it, I'll complete the command-line options for xfdesktop | 10:52 |
| ochosi | sweet | 10:53 |
| ochosi | eric will be quite happy about that | 10:53 |
| Laney | hello | 10:54 |
| Laney | can someone review https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-session/light-locker/+merge/196436 ? | 10:54 |
| ochosi | hey Laney | 10:56 |
| Laney | hiya | 10:57 |
| ochosi | the patch looks ok, i don't know about the packaging | 10:57 |
| ochosi | i'll quickly test the patch here though, just to be sure, one sec... | 10:57 |
| Laney | seems fine | 10:57 |
| ali1234 | looks wrong to me | 10:57 |
| Laney | maybe you want to have it forwarded upstream though | 10:57 |
| ali1234 | i mean why is there a patch, and also the same change on the file the patch is supposed to apply to? | 10:57 |
| ochosi | yeah, that's the packaging part i don't know much about | 10:58 |
| ochosi | Laney: yeah, i'll make sure it gets upstream too | 10:58 |
| slickymaster | ochosi: I was thinking if he shouldn't made a separate command-line section for xfdesktop rather than buried it on the bottom of the advanced section | 11:18 |
| slickymaster | what do you think? | 11:18 |
| ali1234 | xfdesktop has command line options? | 11:20 |
| ali1234 | all these components should have consistent command line options really. | 11:21 |
| slickymaster | yes ali1234, just a few but it does have them | 11:21 |
| ali1234 | like, --replace, --reload, -r - pick one dammit | 11:21 |
| slickymaster | yeah, - -reload, - -windowlist, - -arrange, - -display and several others | 11:22 |
| ochosi | slickymaster: yeah, sounds like a good suggestion | 11:28 |
| ochosi | hey eric_the_idiot | 11:28 |
| slickymaster | ochosi: I'll do it | 11:29 |
| ochosi | great, thanks slickymaster | 11:30 |
| slickymaster | ochosi: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:command-line is done | 12:08 |
| slickymaster | ochosi: can I now remove the existing reference (it's just a paragraph tbh) from the http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:advanced section? | 12:09 |
| brainwash | ochosi: gtk3 indicators 1) bold font is being used for menues 2) sound indicator menu is somewhat incomplete 3) nm-applet is falls back to the "ugly" notification style icon 4) blacklisting needed for prevent duplicated functionality (2x date time, 2x session panel entry,..) | 13:00 |
| brainwash | ochosi: and only Greybird offers full theme support for the indicators, right? | 13:01 |
| brainwash | ochosi: additional information for 2), the general and per-application volume sliders are not visible | 13:02 |
| ali1234 | brainwash: orion has full support | 13:55 |
| ali1234 | https://github.com/ali1234/panel-switch <- i rewrote this to support the missing .desktop files | 13:58 |
| ali1234 | it fully works now | 13:58 |
| ali1234 | just needs a UI | 13:58 |
| ali1234 | send me panel configs | 13:59 |
| ochosi | slickymaster: yeah, feel free to remove the duplicate stuff | 15:17 |
| ochosi | slickymaster: thanks for doing the command-line options! looks fine to me, i'll also forward the link to eric to see what he thinks | 15:19 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i think pretty much all our themes support gtk3 indicators already (at least they should, as I added support in saucy in case they would be backported or even finished in time) | 15:20 |
| ochosi | the fix for non-bold menu-items in greybird indeed landed after the saucy release | 15:20 |
| ochosi | or at least after it was clear the gtk3 indicators wouldn't make it | 15:20 |
| ochosi | so it's already in ggit | 15:20 |
| brainwash | ochosi: numix behaves weird, you can see a grey border for a brief moment when you hover over the icons | 15:21 |
| ochosi | ali1234: awesome! i presume you'll do a gnome2 panel-layout yourself? i can send you an eOS panel layout | 15:21 |
| brainwash | and the other themes do no appear to be 100% compatible yet | 15:21 |
| ochosi | ali1234: and then we can gather a list of what else we want (windows probably) | 15:21 |
| ochosi | brainwash: yes, numix also has that fix in git | 15:22 |
| brainwash | ochosi: oh wait, I guess I need to use the git version of the shimmer themes or? | 15:22 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i moved that down on my priorities list as it got clearer that the gtk3 indicators wouldn't make it into saucy | 15:22 |
| ochosi | yeah, please use the daily-PPA of shimmer | 15:23 |
| ochosi | or git, as you prefer | 15:23 |
| brainwash | so my current trusty setup is patchwork mess | 15:23 |
| ochosi | also bluebird still has some issues in the saucy version, try git in general for the themes | 15:23 |
| brainwash | we need to push all the changes into the official repo :D | 15:23 |
| ochosi | yeah, well for testing there'll be a PPA for the indicators and there's one for the themes | 15:24 |
| slickymaster | ochosi: np | 15:24 |
| brainwash | ochosi: indicator session and date&time won't be used in the default setup, right? | 15:25 |
| brainwash | and any ideas regarding the network manager applet? currently it falls back to the normal notification icon | 15:26 |
| brainwash | so it loads the gtk2 version of the applet | 15:27 |
| ali1234 | ochosi: my layout is pretty much "gnome 2" | 15:29 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i would suppose those problems arise from you not having removed the gtk2-indicators... | 15:30 |
| ochosi | (i'm not sure, but sound and networking really sounds like it) | 15:31 |
| ochosi | ali1234: yeah, i thought so :) | 15:31 |
| ochosi | ali1234: how do we handle stuff like "fallbacks"? can we? or: should we? (e.g. if whiskermenu isn't available, use the appmenu instead) | 15:31 |
| ochosi | that is actually the only fallback-case that comes to mind right now ^ | 15:32 |
| ali1234 | use packagekit to install it | 15:32 |
| ochosi | yeah, possible | 15:33 |
| ochosi | hmpf, that is something we need to improve at some point in parole too... | 15:33 |
| brainwash | ochosi: nm-applet falls back most of the times for me, it only launched properly once so far | 15:47 |
| brainwash | maybe some weird race condition | 15:48 |
| ochosi | so you don't have indicator-application-gtk2 installed? | 15:48 |
| brainwash | and the sound indicator menu is still incomplete | 15:48 |
| brainwash | I removed them | 15:48 |
| ochosi | how is it incomplete? | 15:48 |
| ochosi | (might be trusty-specific, in saucy these things are fine) | 15:48 |
| brainwash | the volume sliders are missing | 15:48 |
| ochosi | could also be that it's a problem of the packagin | 15:48 |
| ochosi | what version are you using? | 15:48 |
| brainwash | version of? | 15:49 |
| brainwash | up-to-date trusty | 15:49 |
| ochosi | xfce4-indicator-plugin | 15:49 |
| ochosi | you need 2.2.0 | 15:49 |
| ochosi | or git-master | 15:49 |
| ochosi | (but that's the same atm i think) | 15:49 |
| ochosi | otherwise clowns will eat you | 15:50 |
| brainwash | 2.2.0 | 15:50 |
| brainwash | this time nm-applet loaded the fallback icon again and the volume indicator invisible + no menu | 15:51 |
| brainwash | on top of that the sync indicator is missing this time | 15:52 |
| brainwash | randomness after login :D | 15:52 |
| ochosi | fun | 15:53 |
| brainwash | does anyone else actually test this stuff on TRUSTY? :) | 15:53 |
| ochosi | i dunno, as long as i can't test trusty, i can't say much... | 15:53 |
| ochosi | yeah, i think elfy will do that | 15:53 |
| ochosi | not sure he has started already | 15:53 |
| ochosi | (i mean not only, but the idea is to make gtk3 indicators a regular testcase i think) | 15:54 |
| brainwash | we should focus on getting this done, it's a main change | 15:54 |
| brainwash | in Xubuntu | 15:55 |
| brainwash | and trusty is a lts release | 15:55 |
| ochosi | yeah, it's quite high on our priority list anyway | 15:55 |
| stefcc | yep, empty volume idicator here too, trusty up-to-date | 16:15 |
| ochosi | it does work in ubuntu though, i presume? | 16:16 |
| ochosi | s/ubuntu/unity/ | 16:16 |
| brainwash | it did the last time I checked (2 days ago) | 16:24 |
| ali1234 | brainwash: sudo apt-get install libido3-0.1-0 | 16:24 |
| brainwash | let me check | 16:26 |
| brainwash | installed already | 16:27 |
| ali1234 | yeah i see the problem | 16:28 |
| ali1234 | it's not in the build dependencies | 16:28 |
| ali1234 | so it is built without support | 16:29 |
| brainwash | indicators are fine in unity | 16:29 |
| ali1234 | yeah because unity has a build dep on libido3 | 16:30 |
| brainwash | in xubuntu the sound indicator does not display the global volume slider and the play/back/forward buttons for every sound app listed in the menu | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | i know | 16:30 |
| brainwash | it's installed | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't matter | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | it needs to be installed when the package builds | 16:31 |
| brainwash | and nm-applet tends to fall back to normal notification icon | 16:31 |
| brainwash | ah | 16:31 |
| ochosi | ali1234: so basically a packaging issue..? | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | yes | 16:32 |
| ochosi | ok, we gotta talk to Noskcaj then when he's around | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | just ask him to add libido3-dev to build deps (or whatever it's called) | 16:32 |
| ochosi | i presume the panel-config has to be quite "clean", no? | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | that should fix it | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | i wish we could report bugs on ppas | 16:33 |
| ali1234 | that would be super useful | 16:33 |
| brainwash | another relog and this time nm-applet did load properly as indicator and the sync indicator is present too... | 16:34 |
| brainwash | maybe caused by the fact, that the indicators are now being started via autostart? | 16:36 |
| brainwash | so a strange race condition occurs | 16:37 |
| ali1234 | the indicators not loading properly at startup is a race condition for which there is a fix in -proposed | 16:37 |
| ali1234 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1239710 | 16:37 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1239710 in indicator-session (Ubuntu) "indicator-datetime or -session missing ~10% of the time" [High,Fix committed] | 16:37 |
| brainwash | proposed is activated | 16:40 |
| brainwash | and I've marked both these indicators (session, datetime) as hidden | 16:41 |
| ali1234 | thats probably why you don't see them then, lol | 16:43 |
| ali1234 | m-applet is indicator-application | 16:43 |
| ali1234 | and the sync indicator won't show up unless there is something to sync | 16:44 |
| brainwash | right, I don't want to see them | 16:44 |
| brainwash | sync one always shows up | 16:44 |
| brainwash | in unity and in xubuntu, if things start properly | 16:44 |
| brainwash | sound one is not missing | 16:45 |
| brainwash | I'll create a bug report later | 16:46 |
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| ochosi | brainwash: i'd wait until the build problem is solved and then test again before reporting the bug (just to avoid additional work) | 16:53 |
| ochosi | or did you build the indicator-plugin yourself with libido3 support? | 16:53 |
| brainwash | ochosi: ppa | 17:05 |
| brainwash | ochosi: that would only solve the sound indicator menu (missing slider, sound control buttons), or? | 17:06 |
| brainwash | but not the race condition (nm-applet, sync indicator) | 17:06 |
| micahg | so, FYI, python 2.7 will be in main for 14.04, so no need to migrate to python3 yet | 17:22 |
| lderan | good to know | 17:23 |
| ochosi | brainwash: not sure, as i can't test... | 18:03 |
| slickymaster | bbl | 18:09 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: for the indicator-plugin to work properly, could you please add libido3-dev to the build-deps? | 18:34 |
| ochosi | (in your PPA) | 18:34 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 18:34 |
| ochosi | thanks! | 18:34 |
| Noskcaj | ochosi, Anything else i should do? (I'm not worried about unneeded Bdeps, they aren't hurting anything) | 18:45 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: no i think that should fix the main issue at the moment | 18:46 |
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| slickymaster | good night all | 21:08 |
| knome | hello | 21:09 |
| slickymaster | knome, :) | 21:09 |
| Noskcaj_school | bluesabre: I've got catfish 0.8.2 into debian. Can you remove your version from mentors? | 22:25 |
| Noskcaj_school | And check the remaining bugs | 22:25 |
| Noskcaj_school | ochosi: PPA fixed | 22:25 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj_school: nice! thanks a bunch! | 22:25 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj_school: i'll try the saucy version and let you know | 22:27 |
| Noskcaj_school | :) | 22:28 |
| Noskcaj_school | And for Laney's question earlier, the extra stuff was because i left the patch applied, i can fix when i get home if it's an issue | 22:31 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj_school: yeah, no problem. we'll also tackle it upstream by the way | 22:36 |
| Noskcaj_school | good | 22:36 |
| ochosi | i talked to cavalier today, we might have to talk again to come to a solution though | 22:36 |
| ochosi | (he wanted dm-tool instead of light-locker-command etc.) | 22:36 |
| brainwash | whisker menu does not display the entries for about-xfce, contribute to xfce, and so on | 22:41 |
| Noskcaj_school | brainwash: possibly because it's gottcode, not real xfce | 22:41 |
| brainwash | but we need that stuff for xubuntu, or? | 22:42 |
| ochosi | brainwash: about xfce shows up fine here | 22:43 |
| brainwash | I don't think hiding them is an option | 22:43 |
| brainwash | ochosi: which category? | 22:44 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i did a simple search | 22:45 |
| ochosi | so i think we can pin them to favorites | 22:45 |
| brainwash | yeah, that is the point, these entries are hidden | 22:46 |
| brainwash | and they should be visible all the time or be easy accessible, right? | 22:47 |
| ochosi | possible, i think we still have to figure out how whiskermenu reads/treats desktop files | 22:47 |
| ochosi | well, i'm not sure whether "contribute to xfce" has to be visible all the time | 22:47 |
| brainwash | it is in the current app menu :) | 22:47 |
| ochosi | yeah, but it's not written in stone | 22:48 |
| ochosi | things are up for discussion | 22:48 |
| ochosi | with a new menu, things might change a little | 22:48 |
| ochosi | but yeah, no-one has brought up that issue so far | 22:49 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: nice, your PPA works | 23:00 |
| ochosi | at least for me on saucy | 23:00 |
| ochosi | brainwash: i got no indicator issues now with the rebuilt packages from Noskcaj's PPA | 23:00 |
| ochosi | hm, seems desktop folks are working on a unity-control-center | 23:03 |
| ochosi | as soon as someone can confirm that Noskcaj's PPA (https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/indicator-gtk3) works also for trusty, i'll update the wiki instructions for indicators accordingly | 23:06 |
| Noskcaj_school | ochosi: Should i ask the whiskermenu to try and come onto irc occasionally so you can ask him about how it works or suggest features? | 23:12 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj_school: do you know him? :) | 23:13 |
| ochosi | i mean yeah, would be nice if he'd hang out here sometimes | 23:13 |
| ochosi | he's also quite responsive via github tickets | 23:13 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Did someone review the packaging, btw? | 23:16 |
| ochosi | Unit193: review packaging of what? | 23:17 |
| slickymaster | I'm off. | 23:37 |
| slickymaster | cy tomorrow guys | 23:37 |
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