[00:11] <slickymaster> knome, I was starting to work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1250560, but apparently elfy already had replaced every occurrence of gksudo with a non-root command
[00:11] <knome> heh.
[00:11] <slickymaster> so, the question is what do I do with the bug?
[00:12] <knome> if it's fixed, mark it as fix released ;)
[00:12] <slickymaster> knome, ok, thanks
[00:14] <Unit193> knome: Fix commited, unless you can apt-get it.
[00:15] <slickymaster> Unit193, actually I was in doubt between commited and released
[00:15] <slickymaster> *committed
[00:15] <knome> Unit193, well that's not appropriate
[00:16] <knome> slickymaster, if it's in the tracker, released; if it's not in the tracker, committed
[00:16] <slickymaster> knome, it's in the tracker
[00:16] <knome> then it's released
[00:16] <slickymaster> so we can consider that the fix has already been released
[00:17] <slickymaster> ok
[00:17] <slickymaster> done
[10:28] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:31] <ochosi> morning
[10:31] <knome> hullo
[10:34] <slickymaster> ochosi: according to http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds-xfdesktop the appearance style to be is used is Xfce
[10:36] <ochosi> slickymaster: yeah, since this is a part of xfce-core, we have to stick to their guidelines
[10:36] <ochosi> and it's less problematic as with parole because there's no gtk3 part
[10:36] <slickymaster> ochosi: WTH can I get this style? I've wrecked my brain searching for it but haven't been able to find it
[10:37] <ochosi> ok, you need to install the package "gtk2-engines-xfce"
[10:37] <slickymaster> I must be going dumb or something :(
[10:37] <ochosi> nah, it's not really intuitive
[10:37] <ochosi> sorry for not mentioning that earlier
[10:38] <slickymaster> done
[10:38] <ochosi> i thought we had discussed that already when commencing work on the parole docs
[10:38] <slickymaster> tks
[10:39] <slickymaster> nopes, and since I'm faithful to Greybird-Mac never have used it before
[10:39] <slickymaster> but it's done
[10:41] <ochosi> ah, greybird-mac? how does that look exactly?
[10:42] <slickymaster> IMHO, and with the elementary Xfce darker icons it's one of the best looking desktops out there
[10:43] <ochosi> :)
[10:43]  * ochosi bows
[10:43] <slickymaster> ochosi: aren't we going to do a command-line options for xfdesktop, like we did with parole?
[10:44]  * slickymaster thanks
[10:44] <slickymaster> ochosi: ^^^
[10:44] <ochosi> yeah, that's currently in "advanced" in xfdesktop
[10:45] <slickymaster> saw it now
[10:45] <slickymaster> it's quite incomplete though
[10:46] <slickymaster> I'm guessing it's still not finished, right?
[10:51] <ochosi> yeah
[10:51] <ochosi> i guess more of the xfce docs could use work
[10:51] <ochosi> don't think anyone's really working on that
[10:52] <slickymaster> since we're working on it, I'll complete the command-line options for xfdesktop
[10:53] <ochosi> sweet
[10:53] <ochosi> eric will be quite happy about that
[10:54] <Laney> hello
[10:54] <Laney> can someone review https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-session/light-locker/+merge/196436 ?
[10:56] <ochosi> hey Laney 
[10:57] <Laney> hiya
[10:57] <ochosi> the patch looks ok, i don't know about the packaging
[10:57] <ochosi> i'll quickly test the patch here though, just to be sure, one sec...
[10:57] <Laney> seems fine
[10:57] <ali1234> looks wrong to me
[10:57] <Laney> maybe you want to have it forwarded upstream though
[10:57] <ali1234> i mean why is there a patch, and also the same change on the file the patch is supposed to apply to?
[10:58] <ochosi> yeah, that's the packaging part i don't know much about
[10:58] <ochosi> Laney: yeah, i'll make sure it gets upstream too
[11:18] <slickymaster> ochosi: I was thinking if he shouldn't made a separate command-line section for xfdesktop rather than buried it on the bottom of the advanced section
[11:18] <slickymaster> what do you think?
[11:20] <ali1234> xfdesktop has command line options?
[11:21] <ali1234> all these components should have consistent command line options really.
[11:21] <slickymaster> yes ali1234, just a few but it does have them
[11:21] <ali1234> like, --replace, --reload, -r - pick one dammit
[11:22] <slickymaster> yeah, - -reload, - -windowlist, - -arrange, - -display and several others
[11:28] <ochosi> slickymaster: yeah, sounds like a good suggestion
[11:28] <ochosi> hey eric_the_idiot 
[11:29] <slickymaster> ochosi: I'll do it
[11:30] <ochosi> great, thanks slickymaster 
[12:08] <slickymaster> ochosi: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:command-line is done
[12:09] <slickymaster> ochosi: can I now remove the existing reference (it's just a paragraph tbh) from the http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:advanced section?
[13:00] <brainwash> ochosi: gtk3 indicators 1) bold font is being used for menues 2) sound indicator menu is somewhat incomplete 3) nm-applet is falls back to the "ugly" notification style icon 4) blacklisting needed for prevent duplicated functionality (2x date time, 2x session panel entry,..)
[13:01] <brainwash> ochosi: and only Greybird offers full theme support for the indicators, right?
[13:02] <brainwash> ochosi: additional information for 2), the general and per-application volume sliders are not visible
[13:55] <ali1234> brainwash: orion has full support
[13:58] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/panel-switch <- i rewrote this to support the missing .desktop files
[13:58] <ali1234> it fully works now
[13:58] <ali1234> just needs a UI
[13:59] <ali1234> send me panel configs
[15:17] <ochosi> slickymaster: yeah, feel free to remove the duplicate stuff
[15:19] <ochosi> slickymaster: thanks for doing the command-line options! looks fine to me, i'll also forward the link to eric to see what he thinks
[15:20] <ochosi> brainwash: i think pretty much all our themes support gtk3 indicators already (at least they should, as I added support in saucy in case they would be backported or even finished in time)
[15:20] <ochosi> the fix for non-bold menu-items in greybird indeed landed after the saucy release
[15:20] <ochosi> or at least after it was clear the gtk3 indicators wouldn't make it
[15:20] <ochosi> so it's already in ggit
[15:21] <brainwash> ochosi: numix behaves weird, you can see a grey border for a brief moment when you hover over the icons
[15:21] <ochosi> ali1234: awesome! i presume you'll do a gnome2 panel-layout yourself? i can send you an eOS panel layout
[15:21] <brainwash> and the other themes do no appear to be 100% compatible yet
[15:21] <ochosi> ali1234: and then we can gather a list of what else we want (windows probably)
[15:22] <ochosi> brainwash: yes, numix also has that fix in git
[15:22] <brainwash> ochosi: oh wait, I guess I need to use the git version of the shimmer themes or?
[15:22] <ochosi> brainwash: i moved that down on my priorities list as it got clearer that the gtk3 indicators wouldn't make it into saucy
[15:23] <ochosi> yeah, please use the daily-PPA of shimmer
[15:23] <ochosi> or git, as you prefer
[15:23] <brainwash> so my current trusty setup is patchwork mess
[15:23] <ochosi> also bluebird still has some issues in the saucy version, try git in general for the themes
[15:23] <brainwash> we need to push all the changes into the official repo :D
[15:24] <ochosi> yeah, well for testing there'll be a PPA for the indicators and there's one for the themes
[15:24] <slickymaster> ochosi: np
[15:25] <brainwash> ochosi: indicator session and  date&time won't be used in the default setup, right?
[15:26] <brainwash> and any ideas regarding the network manager applet? currently it falls back to the normal notification icon
[15:27] <brainwash> so it loads the gtk2 version of the applet
[15:29] <ali1234> ochosi: my layout is pretty much "gnome 2"
[15:30] <ochosi> brainwash: i would suppose those problems arise from you not having removed the gtk2-indicators...
[15:31] <ochosi> (i'm not sure, but sound and networking really sounds like it)
[15:31] <ochosi> ali1234: yeah, i thought so :)
[15:31] <ochosi> ali1234: how do we handle stuff like "fallbacks"? can we? or: should we? (e.g. if whiskermenu isn't available, use the appmenu instead)
[15:32] <ochosi> that is actually the only fallback-case that comes to mind right now ^
[15:32] <ali1234> use packagekit to install it
[15:33] <ochosi> yeah, possible
[15:33] <ochosi> hmpf, that is something we need to improve at some point in parole too...
[15:47] <brainwash> ochosi: nm-applet falls back most of the times for me, it only launched properly once so far
[15:48] <brainwash> maybe some weird race condition
[15:48] <ochosi> so you don't have indicator-application-gtk2 installed?
[15:48] <brainwash> and the sound indicator menu is still incomplete
[15:48] <brainwash> I removed them
[15:48] <ochosi> how is it incomplete?
[15:48] <ochosi> (might be trusty-specific, in saucy these things are fine)
[15:48] <brainwash> the volume sliders are missing
[15:48] <ochosi> could also be that it's a problem of the packagin
[15:48] <ochosi> what version are you using?
[15:49] <brainwash> version of?
[15:49] <brainwash> up-to-date trusty
[15:49] <ochosi> xfce4-indicator-plugin
[15:49] <ochosi> you need 2.2.0
[15:49] <ochosi> or git-master
[15:49] <ochosi> (but that's the same atm i think)
[15:50] <ochosi> otherwise clowns will eat you
[15:50] <brainwash> 2.2.0
[15:51] <brainwash> this time nm-applet loaded the fallback icon again and the volume indicator invisible + no menu
[15:52] <brainwash> on top of that the sync indicator is missing this time
[15:52] <brainwash> randomness after login :D
[15:53] <ochosi> fun
[15:53] <brainwash> does anyone else actually test this stuff on TRUSTY? :)
[15:53] <ochosi> i dunno, as long as i can't test trusty, i can't say much...
[15:53] <ochosi> yeah, i think elfy will do that
[15:53] <ochosi> not sure he has started already
[15:54] <ochosi> (i mean not only, but the idea is to make gtk3 indicators a regular testcase i think)
[15:54] <brainwash> we should focus on getting this done, it's a main change
[15:55] <brainwash> in Xubuntu
[15:55] <brainwash> and trusty is a lts release
[15:55] <ochosi> yeah, it's quite high on our priority list anyway
[16:15] <stefcc> yep, empty volume idicator here too, trusty up-to-date 
[16:16] <ochosi> it does work in ubuntu though, i presume?
[16:16] <ochosi> s/ubuntu/unity/
[16:24] <brainwash> it did the last time I checked (2 days ago)
[16:24] <ali1234> brainwash: sudo apt-get install libido3-0.1-0
[16:26] <brainwash> let me check
[16:27] <brainwash> installed already
[16:28] <ali1234> yeah i see the problem
[16:28] <ali1234> it's not in the build dependencies
[16:29] <ali1234> so it is built without support
[16:29] <brainwash> indicators are fine in unity
[16:30] <ali1234> yeah because unity has a build dep on libido3
[16:30] <brainwash> in xubuntu the sound indicator does not display the global volume slider and the play/back/forward buttons for every sound app listed in the menu
[16:30] <ali1234> i know
[16:30] <brainwash> it's installed
[16:31] <ali1234> it doesn't matter
[16:31] <ali1234> it needs to be installed when the package builds
[16:31] <brainwash> and nm-applet tends to fall back to normal notification icon
[16:31] <brainwash> ah
[16:32] <ochosi> ali1234: so basically a packaging issue..?
[16:32] <ali1234> yes
[16:32] <ochosi> ok, we gotta talk to Noskcaj then when he's around
[16:32] <ali1234> just ask him to add libido3-dev to build deps (or whatever it's called)
[16:32] <ochosi> i presume the panel-config has to be quite "clean", no?
[16:32] <ali1234> that should fix it
[16:33] <ali1234> i wish we could report bugs on ppas
[16:33] <ali1234> that would be super useful
[16:34] <brainwash> another relog and this time nm-applet did load properly as indicator and the sync indicator is present too...
[16:36] <brainwash> maybe caused by the fact, that the indicators are now being started via autostart?
[16:37] <brainwash> so a strange race condition occurs
[16:37] <ali1234> the indicators not loading properly at startup is a race condition for which there is a fix in -proposed
[16:37] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1239710
[16:40] <brainwash> proposed is activated
[16:41] <brainwash> and I've marked both these indicators (session, datetime) as hidden
[16:43] <ali1234> thats probably why you don't see them then, lol
[16:43] <ali1234> m-applet is indicator-application
[16:44] <ali1234> and the sync indicator won't show up unless there is something to sync
[16:44] <brainwash> right, I don't want to see them
[16:44] <brainwash> sync one always shows up
[16:44] <brainwash> in unity and in xubuntu, if things start properly
[16:45] <brainwash> sound one is not missing
[16:46] <brainwash> I'll create a bug report later
[16:53] <ochosi> brainwash: i'd wait until the build problem is solved and then test again before reporting the bug (just to avoid additional work)
[16:53] <ochosi> or did you build the indicator-plugin yourself with libido3 support?
[17:05] <brainwash> ochosi: ppa
[17:06] <brainwash> ochosi: that would only solve the sound indicator menu (missing slider, sound control buttons), or?
[17:06] <brainwash> but not the race condition (nm-applet, sync indicator)
[17:22] <micahg> so, FYI, python 2.7 will be in main for 14.04, so no need to migrate to python3 yet
[17:23] <lderan> good to know
[18:03] <ochosi> brainwash: not sure, as i can't test...
[18:09] <slickymaster> bbl
[18:34] <ochosi> Noskcaj: for the indicator-plugin to work properly, could you please add libido3-dev to the build-deps?
[18:34] <ochosi> (in your PPA)
[18:34] <Noskcaj> ok
[18:34] <ochosi> thanks!
[18:45] <Noskcaj> ochosi, Anything else i should do? (I'm not worried about unneeded Bdeps, they aren't hurting anything)
[18:46] <ochosi> Noskcaj: no i think that should fix the main issue at the moment
[21:08] <slickymaster> good night all
[21:09] <knome> hello
[21:09] <slickymaster> knome, :)
[22:25] <Noskcaj_school> bluesabre: I've got catfish 0.8.2 into debian. Can you remove your version from mentors?
[22:25] <Noskcaj_school> And check the remaining bugs
[22:25] <Noskcaj_school> ochosi: PPA fixed
[22:25] <ochosi> Noskcaj_school: nice! thanks a bunch!
[22:27] <ochosi> Noskcaj_school: i'll try the saucy version and let you know
[22:28] <Noskcaj_school> :)
[22:31] <Noskcaj_school> And for Laney's question earlier, the extra stuff was because i left the patch applied, i can fix when i get home if it's an issue
[22:36] <ochosi> Noskcaj_school: yeah, no problem. we'll also tackle it upstream by the way
[22:36] <Noskcaj_school> good
[22:36] <ochosi> i talked to cavalier today, we might have to talk again to come to a solution though
[22:36] <ochosi> (he wanted dm-tool instead of light-locker-command etc.)
[22:41] <brainwash> whisker menu does not display the entries for about-xfce, contribute to xfce, and so on
[22:41] <Noskcaj_school> brainwash: possibly because it's gottcode, not real xfce
[22:42] <brainwash> but we need that stuff for xubuntu, or?
[22:43] <ochosi> brainwash: about xfce shows up fine here
[22:43] <brainwash> I don't think hiding them is an option
[22:44] <brainwash> ochosi: which category?
[22:45] <ochosi> brainwash: i did a simple search
[22:45] <ochosi> so i think we can pin them to favorites
[22:46] <brainwash> yeah, that is the point, these entries are hidden
[22:47] <brainwash> and they should be visible all the time or be easy accessible, right?
[22:47] <ochosi> possible, i think we still have to figure out how whiskermenu reads/treats desktop files
[22:47] <ochosi> well, i'm not sure whether "contribute to xfce" has to be visible all the time
[22:47] <brainwash> it is in the current app menu :)
[22:48] <ochosi> yeah, but it's not written in stone
[22:48] <ochosi> things are up for discussion
[22:48] <ochosi> with a new menu, things might change a little
[22:49] <ochosi> but yeah, no-one has brought up that issue so far
[23:00] <ochosi> Noskcaj: nice, your PPA works
[23:00] <ochosi> at least for me on saucy
[23:00] <ochosi> brainwash: i got no indicator issues now with the rebuilt packages from Noskcaj's PPA
[23:03] <ochosi> hm, seems desktop folks are working on a unity-control-center
[23:06] <ochosi> as soon as someone can confirm that Noskcaj's PPA (https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/indicator-gtk3) works also for trusty, i'll update the wiki instructions for indicators accordingly
[23:12] <Noskcaj_school> ochosi: Should i ask the whiskermenu to try and come onto irc occasionally so you can ask him about how it works or suggest features?
[23:13] <ochosi> Noskcaj_school: do you know him? :)
[23:13] <ochosi> i mean yeah, would be nice if he'd hang out here sometimes
[23:13] <ochosi> he's also quite responsive via github tickets
[23:16] <Unit193> ochosi: Did someone review the packaging, btw?
[23:17] <ochosi> Unit193: review packaging of what?
[23:37] <slickymaster> I'm off.
[23:37] <slickymaster> cy tomorrow guys