[00:11] knome, I was starting to work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1250560, but apparently elfy already had replaced every occurrence of gksudo with a non-root command [00:11] Ubuntu bug 1250560 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Use of gksudo/gksu in testcases for Xubuntu Desktop in Trusty Daily " [Undecided,In progress] [00:11] heh. [00:11] so, the question is what do I do with the bug? [00:12] if it's fixed, mark it as fix released ;) [00:12] knome, ok, thanks [00:14] knome: Fix commited, unless you can apt-get it. [00:15] Unit193, actually I was in doubt between commited and released [00:15] *committed [00:15] Unit193, well that's not appropriate [00:16] slickymaster, if it's in the tracker, released; if it's not in the tracker, committed [00:16] knome, it's in the tracker [00:16] then it's released [00:16] so we can consider that the fix has already been released [00:17] ok [00:17] done [10:28] morning all [10:31] morning [10:31] hullo [10:34] ochosi: according to http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=playground:sceenshot-stds-xfdesktop the appearance style to be is used is Xfce [10:36] slickymaster: yeah, since this is a part of xfce-core, we have to stick to their guidelines [10:36] and it's less problematic as with parole because there's no gtk3 part [10:36] ochosi: WTH can I get this style? I've wrecked my brain searching for it but haven't been able to find it [10:37] ok, you need to install the package "gtk2-engines-xfce" [10:37] I must be going dumb or something :( [10:37] nah, it's not really intuitive [10:37] sorry for not mentioning that earlier [10:38] done [10:38] i thought we had discussed that already when commencing work on the parole docs [10:38] tks [10:39] nopes, and since I'm faithful to Greybird-Mac never have used it before [10:39] but it's done [10:41] ah, greybird-mac? how does that look exactly? [10:42] IMHO, and with the elementary Xfce darker icons it's one of the best looking desktops out there [10:43] :) [10:43] * ochosi bows [10:43] ochosi: aren't we going to do a command-line options for xfdesktop, like we did with parole? [10:44] * slickymaster thanks [10:44] ochosi: ^^^ [10:44] yeah, that's currently in "advanced" in xfdesktop [10:45] saw it now [10:45] it's quite incomplete though [10:46] I'm guessing it's still not finished, right? [10:51] yeah [10:51] i guess more of the xfce docs could use work [10:51] don't think anyone's really working on that [10:52] since we're working on it, I'll complete the command-line options for xfdesktop [10:53] sweet [10:53] eric will be quite happy about that [10:54] hello [10:54] can someone review https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/xfce4-session/light-locker/+merge/196436 ? [10:56] hey Laney [10:57] hiya [10:57] the patch looks ok, i don't know about the packaging [10:57] i'll quickly test the patch here though, just to be sure, one sec... [10:57] seems fine [10:57] looks wrong to me [10:57] maybe you want to have it forwarded upstream though [10:57] i mean why is there a patch, and also the same change on the file the patch is supposed to apply to? [10:58] yeah, that's the packaging part i don't know much about [10:58] Laney: yeah, i'll make sure it gets upstream too [11:18] ochosi: I was thinking if he shouldn't made a separate command-line section for xfdesktop rather than buried it on the bottom of the advanced section [11:18] what do you think? [11:20] xfdesktop has command line options? [11:21] all these components should have consistent command line options really. [11:21] yes ali1234, just a few but it does have them [11:21] like, --replace, --reload, -r - pick one dammit [11:22] yeah, - -reload, - -windowlist, - -arrange, - -display and several others [11:28] slickymaster: yeah, sounds like a good suggestion [11:28] hey eric_the_idiot [11:29] ochosi: I'll do it [11:30] great, thanks slickymaster [12:08] ochosi: http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:command-line is done [12:09] ochosi: can I now remove the existing reference (it's just a paragraph tbh) from the http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:advanced section? [13:00] ochosi: gtk3 indicators 1) bold font is being used for menues 2) sound indicator menu is somewhat incomplete 3) nm-applet is falls back to the "ugly" notification style icon 4) blacklisting needed for prevent duplicated functionality (2x date time, 2x session panel entry,..) [13:01] ochosi: and only Greybird offers full theme support for the indicators, right? [13:02] ochosi: additional information for 2), the general and per-application volume sliders are not visible [13:55] brainwash: orion has full support [13:58] https://github.com/ali1234/panel-switch <- i rewrote this to support the missing .desktop files [13:58] it fully works now [13:58] just needs a UI [13:59] send me panel configs [15:17] slickymaster: yeah, feel free to remove the duplicate stuff [15:19] slickymaster: thanks for doing the command-line options! looks fine to me, i'll also forward the link to eric to see what he thinks [15:20] brainwash: i think pretty much all our themes support gtk3 indicators already (at least they should, as I added support in saucy in case they would be backported or even finished in time) [15:20] the fix for non-bold menu-items in greybird indeed landed after the saucy release [15:20] or at least after it was clear the gtk3 indicators wouldn't make it [15:20] so it's already in ggit [15:21] ochosi: numix behaves weird, you can see a grey border for a brief moment when you hover over the icons [15:21] ali1234: awesome! i presume you'll do a gnome2 panel-layout yourself? i can send you an eOS panel layout [15:21] and the other themes do no appear to be 100% compatible yet [15:21] ali1234: and then we can gather a list of what else we want (windows probably) [15:22] brainwash: yes, numix also has that fix in git [15:22] ochosi: oh wait, I guess I need to use the git version of the shimmer themes or? [15:22] brainwash: i moved that down on my priorities list as it got clearer that the gtk3 indicators wouldn't make it into saucy [15:23] yeah, please use the daily-PPA of shimmer [15:23] or git, as you prefer [15:23] so my current trusty setup is patchwork mess [15:23] also bluebird still has some issues in the saucy version, try git in general for the themes [15:23] we need to push all the changes into the official repo :D [15:24] yeah, well for testing there'll be a PPA for the indicators and there's one for the themes [15:24] ochosi: np [15:25] ochosi: indicator session and date&time won't be used in the default setup, right? [15:26] and any ideas regarding the network manager applet? currently it falls back to the normal notification icon [15:27] so it loads the gtk2 version of the applet [15:29] ochosi: my layout is pretty much "gnome 2" [15:30] brainwash: i would suppose those problems arise from you not having removed the gtk2-indicators... [15:31] (i'm not sure, but sound and networking really sounds like it) [15:31] ali1234: yeah, i thought so :) [15:31] ali1234: how do we handle stuff like "fallbacks"? can we? or: should we? (e.g. if whiskermenu isn't available, use the appmenu instead) [15:32] that is actually the only fallback-case that comes to mind right now ^ [15:32] use packagekit to install it [15:33] yeah, possible [15:33] hmpf, that is something we need to improve at some point in parole too... [15:47] ochosi: nm-applet falls back most of the times for me, it only launched properly once so far [15:48] maybe some weird race condition [15:48] so you don't have indicator-application-gtk2 installed? [15:48] and the sound indicator menu is still incomplete [15:48] I removed them [15:48] how is it incomplete? [15:48] (might be trusty-specific, in saucy these things are fine) [15:48] the volume sliders are missing [15:48] could also be that it's a problem of the packagin [15:48] what version are you using? [15:49] version of? [15:49] up-to-date trusty [15:49] xfce4-indicator-plugin [15:49] you need 2.2.0 [15:49] or git-master [15:49] (but that's the same atm i think) [15:50] otherwise clowns will eat you [15:50] 2.2.0 [15:51] this time nm-applet loaded the fallback icon again and the volume indicator invisible + no menu [15:52] on top of that the sync indicator is missing this time [15:52] randomness after login :D [15:53] fun [15:53] does anyone else actually test this stuff on TRUSTY? :) [15:53] i dunno, as long as i can't test trusty, i can't say much... [15:53] yeah, i think elfy will do that [15:53] not sure he has started already [15:54] (i mean not only, but the idea is to make gtk3 indicators a regular testcase i think) [15:54] we should focus on getting this done, it's a main change [15:55] in Xubuntu [15:55] and trusty is a lts release [15:55] yeah, it's quite high on our priority list anyway [16:15] yep, empty volume idicator here too, trusty up-to-date [16:16] it does work in ubuntu though, i presume? [16:16] s/ubuntu/unity/ [16:24] it did the last time I checked (2 days ago) [16:24] brainwash: sudo apt-get install libido3-0.1-0 [16:26] let me check [16:27] installed already [16:28] yeah i see the problem [16:28] it's not in the build dependencies [16:29] so it is built without support [16:29] indicators are fine in unity [16:30] yeah because unity has a build dep on libido3 [16:30] in xubuntu the sound indicator does not display the global volume slider and the play/back/forward buttons for every sound app listed in the menu [16:30] i know [16:30] it's installed [16:31] it doesn't matter [16:31] it needs to be installed when the package builds [16:31] and nm-applet tends to fall back to normal notification icon [16:31] ah [16:32] ali1234: so basically a packaging issue..? [16:32] yes [16:32] ok, we gotta talk to Noskcaj then when he's around [16:32] just ask him to add libido3-dev to build deps (or whatever it's called) [16:32] i presume the panel-config has to be quite "clean", no? [16:32] that should fix it [16:33] i wish we could report bugs on ppas [16:33] that would be super useful [16:34] another relog and this time nm-applet did load properly as indicator and the sync indicator is present too... [16:36] maybe caused by the fact, that the indicators are now being started via autostart? [16:37] so a strange race condition occurs [16:37] the indicators not loading properly at startup is a race condition for which there is a fix in -proposed [16:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1239710 [16:37] Ubuntu bug 1239710 in indicator-session (Ubuntu) "indicator-datetime or -session missing ~10% of the time" [High,Fix committed] [16:40] proposed is activated [16:41] and I've marked both these indicators (session, datetime) as hidden [16:43] thats probably why you don't see them then, lol [16:43] m-applet is indicator-application [16:44] and the sync indicator won't show up unless there is something to sync [16:44] right, I don't want to see them [16:44] sync one always shows up [16:44] in unity and in xubuntu, if things start properly [16:45] sound one is not missing [16:46] I'll create a bug report later === olli_ is now known as olli [16:53] brainwash: i'd wait until the build problem is solved and then test again before reporting the bug (just to avoid additional work) [16:53] or did you build the indicator-plugin yourself with libido3 support? [17:05] ochosi: ppa [17:06] ochosi: that would only solve the sound indicator menu (missing slider, sound control buttons), or? [17:06] but not the race condition (nm-applet, sync indicator) [17:22] so, FYI, python 2.7 will be in main for 14.04, so no need to migrate to python3 yet [17:23] good to know [18:03] brainwash: not sure, as i can't test... [18:09] bbl [18:34] Noskcaj: for the indicator-plugin to work properly, could you please add libido3-dev to the build-deps? [18:34] (in your PPA) [18:34] ok [18:34] thanks! [18:45] ochosi, Anything else i should do? (I'm not worried about unneeded Bdeps, they aren't hurting anything) [18:46] Noskcaj: no i think that should fix the main issue at the moment === mhall119 is now known as mhall119|afk [21:08] good night all [21:09] hello [21:09] knome, :) [22:25] bluesabre: I've got catfish 0.8.2 into debian. Can you remove your version from mentors? [22:25] And check the remaining bugs [22:25] ochosi: PPA fixed [22:25] Noskcaj_school: nice! thanks a bunch! [22:27] Noskcaj_school: i'll try the saucy version and let you know [22:28] :) [22:31] And for Laney's question earlier, the extra stuff was because i left the patch applied, i can fix when i get home if it's an issue [22:36] Noskcaj_school: yeah, no problem. we'll also tackle it upstream by the way [22:36] good [22:36] i talked to cavalier today, we might have to talk again to come to a solution though [22:36] (he wanted dm-tool instead of light-locker-command etc.) [22:41] whisker menu does not display the entries for about-xfce, contribute to xfce, and so on [22:41] brainwash: possibly because it's gottcode, not real xfce [22:42] but we need that stuff for xubuntu, or? [22:43] brainwash: about xfce shows up fine here [22:43] I don't think hiding them is an option [22:44] ochosi: which category? [22:45] brainwash: i did a simple search [22:45] so i think we can pin them to favorites [22:46] yeah, that is the point, these entries are hidden [22:47] and they should be visible all the time or be easy accessible, right? [22:47] possible, i think we still have to figure out how whiskermenu reads/treats desktop files [22:47] well, i'm not sure whether "contribute to xfce" has to be visible all the time [22:47] it is in the current app menu :) [22:48] yeah, but it's not written in stone [22:48] things are up for discussion [22:48] with a new menu, things might change a little [22:49] but yeah, no-one has brought up that issue so far [23:00] Noskcaj: nice, your PPA works [23:00] at least for me on saucy [23:00] brainwash: i got no indicator issues now with the rebuilt packages from Noskcaj's PPA [23:03] hm, seems desktop folks are working on a unity-control-center [23:06] as soon as someone can confirm that Noskcaj's PPA (https://launchpad.net/~noskcaj/+archive/indicator-gtk3) works also for trusty, i'll update the wiki instructions for indicators accordingly [23:12] ochosi: Should i ask the whiskermenu to try and come onto irc occasionally so you can ask him about how it works or suggest features? [23:13] Noskcaj_school: do you know him? :) [23:13] i mean yeah, would be nice if he'd hang out here sometimes [23:13] he's also quite responsive via github tickets [23:16] ochosi: Did someone review the packaging, btw? [23:17] Unit193: review packaging of what? [23:37] I'm off. [23:37] cy tomorrow guys