=== shengyao_afk is now known as shengyao === mhall119|afk is now known as mhall119 === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [07:15] Good morning [07:18] pitti, hi [07:18] hey darkxst, how are you? [07:19] yeh good [07:21] pitti, could you take alook at Bug 1192372, fixes the gdb integration for glib [07:21] Launchpad bug 1192372 in glib2.0 (Ubuntu) "glib's gdb auto-load scripts are not loaded" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1192372 [07:23] darkxst: ah nice, thanks! That looks like it should go into Debian, too, I'll commit it there [07:26] pitti, yes, should go into debian [07:27] thanks [09:04] morning [09:05] morning Laney [09:06] good morning desktopers [09:06] hey didrocks Laney [09:08] hey seb128 ;) [09:11] hey Laney didrocks seb128 [09:11] hey darkxst! how are you? === Ursinha_ is now known as Ursinha [09:12] hey darkxst [09:14] davmor2 clearly doesn't get how IRC works :/ [09:14] didrocks, yeh good, although not much to do around here while we are blocked on gtk 3.10..... [09:14] darkxst: well, use those very beautiful days to relax ;) [09:14] can't you work with the PPA version? [09:15] seb128: what happened? [09:15] didrocks, he finds contentless pings useful/a good thing [09:15] sorry, reading emails and commenting on IRC :p [09:16] seb128: ah, I was puzzled, yeah ;) [09:16] haha [09:16] * Laney feels a split brain coming on [09:16] Laney, we have most of 3.10 queued up on the ppa, [09:16] seb128: what you replied before reading the thread? and the "netetiquette?" :) [09:16] ;-) [09:16] darkxst: oh cool, well it's a-coming [09:17] like when you enter a forum, you are supposed to read all threads! [09:17] :) [09:17] darkxst, "most of 3.10", that's not for trusty right? [09:17] Laney, ^^ [09:17] that makes me not want to update GTK btw [09:17] I especially don't want that to make people think that it's fine to land all tons of cracks and gtkheaderbar and new UI that don't work for us [09:17] seb128, no, not all of it is aimed at trusty [09:17] not before the LTS [09:18] darkxst, please give us a list of what you plan to update before starting pushing stuff [09:19] yeah, I'm sure they won't push stuff that affects Ubuntu :-) [09:20] Laney, when I see GTK 3.11 on versions I get scared at what is in those ppas :p [09:20] heh [09:21] they are pretty crackful [09:21] seb128, gnome3-staging trusty pocket is not going into trusty [09:21] that's what PPAs are for! [09:21] ;-) [09:21] ooh, webkit/arm64 overnight build looks interesting [09:21] it failed at some freetype include change instead of an inscrutible arm64 assembler thing [09:21] it built? [09:21] nice! [09:22] could be earlier on in the build than that stuff :P [09:22] :/ [09:22] don't think so though, was building javascriptcore (the problematic bit) when I left [09:23] dare to dream [09:24] the #debian-gnome guys were talking about the freetype stuff earlier this week [09:24] yeah, there's an upstream patch for it [09:24] jcristau said he would talk to slangasek about the change [09:24] seems they changed the include scheme or something [09:24] seems like pointless [09:24] not sure why ... [09:24] wonder how much other stuff got broken by that [09:25] quite some by the look of things [09:25] we already saw a few [09:25] I saw cjwatson mentioning he had to fix stuff the other day, doko as well [09:26] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1257505 btw [09:26] Launchpad bug 1257505 in unity-control-center (Ubuntu) "Create Unity Control Center so can remain on old GNOME Control Center version" [Medium,In progress] [09:26] just pointing it for reference, robert_ancell is getting stuff ready for testing in a ppa [09:27] yeah I saw the conversation last night [09:27] k [09:27] what's this business about conflicting on libgnome-control-center? [09:30] libgnome-control-center is an ubuntu patch, we can probably drop that from g-c-c one forked [09:30] ^once [09:31] Laney, ^ that [09:31] yeah [09:31] but why won't it just go obsolete and get autoremoved? [09:31] Laney, g-c-c doesn't allow external panels, so the lib would stop providing the feature it claims providin [09:32] if nothing is using it any more [09:32] Laney, it is used by ubuntu panels [09:32] I assume we'll rebuild stuff to get rid of the dependency [09:32] right [09:32] did we suggest having a conflicts? [09:32] yeah [09:32] iirc we said that autoclean would work [09:32] but we can add a conflict if it turns out to be needed [09:33] 03/12 21:09:18 2. just make g-c-c conflicts on the lib [09:33] 03/12 21:09:35 the apt resolver should be smart enough, assuming there is no user of the lib left [09:33] those two statements seem to contradict each other :p [09:33] unless you mean apt will be happy to remove it [09:33] anyway, quite a minor point [09:34] g-c-c won't care though, once we drop the patch, it won't link to it [09:34] all the panels in upstream g-c-c are staticlly linked now [09:34] right [09:34] Laney, well, I was thinking loud about it, both options should work [09:35] nod [09:35] but since the lib is going to stop doing its job we might want to force remove it with a conflicts [09:35] leftover might confuse people to think it can still be used [09:36] it won't be able to be installed by anyone new [09:36] since it won't be in the archive [09:36] right, I was thinking about upgrades [09:36] only will be a bit of cruft for existing people [09:36] but as you said, minor detail [09:36] right [09:36] a conflicts would be no cruft for anyone [09:36] u-m should autoremove it [09:37] "should" [09:37] some people use apt to upgrade [09:37] then they get to use autoremove regularly [09:37] it's the apt way™ [09:37] well they get told by apt to use auto-remove [09:38] anyways [09:39] I thought the settings daemon would come first, interesting [09:39] yeah, me too [09:40] seb128, have you look at gnome-desktop? [09:40] darkxst, no, once step at the time, that one is an annoying one [09:41] we can't fork the lib [09:41] we would need 2 versions/builds of all the rdepends, that would be a mess [09:41] seb128, yes, and can't revert the display config stuff [09:42] why not? [09:42] it would be a nightmare patch [09:43] so we need to hold on upgrades I guess... [09:43] well that blocks g-s-d/g-c-c upgrades to 3.10 [09:43] but probably not gnome-shell, which is just blocked on gtk [09:43] do you have a solution to suggest? [09:44] seb128, yes implement the dbus interface in unity or compiz [09:44] patches are welcome [09:44] I don't see that happening this cycle from the unity team [09:44] they are overloaded already and they have other priorities than changing stuff that work [09:44] I agree it would be nice, I just don't it happening before the LTS/unity8 [09:45] don't see* [09:48] seb128, can I cut+past GPL code into unity or is it CLA only? [09:48] CLA only [09:50] right, so a reasonably simple task, becomes not so simple [09:50] indeed [09:58] darkxst, we should see what APIs are concerned and archive grep for their users [09:58] if it turns out to be only g-s-d we can probably include the old functions/sources in u-s-d [09:59] but GnomeIdleMonitor might be used by other things [10:00] http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=gnome_idle_monitor [10:00] gnome-session to start :/ [10:01] http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=gnome_rr [10:01] colord [10:01] gnome-screensaver [10:02] idle monitor is fine, I can revert that for unity easy enough [10:02] what's the issue? [10:02] seb128, its just the display config that is a big mess === apw` is now known as apw [10:32] tjaalton, mlankhorst: hey, can you put bug #1238410 on your todolist? (basically making sure we get http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?h=server-1.14-branch&id=6cc5efa68e5fdc301ab9a381bffe88fe5c7865e2 in trusty) [10:32] Launchpad bug 1238410 in X.Org X server "Inconsistent cursor visibility with cursor plugin enabled" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1238410 [10:32] that's in xserver git 1.14 branch, I guess we are going to get the current version from there even if we don't get 1.15? [10:34] we'll get it eventually. :P [10:35] mlankhorst, not "eventually" :p thanks! [10:39] if it's in the server then we'll probably have to sru the new upstream release anyway to saucy [10:41] why? [10:41] well, as long as those fixes are in the LTS I'm happy === Wellark_ is now known as Wellark [10:45] because it has some other nice fixes too [10:45] k [10:45] pitti, do you want me to upstream that telepathy-gabbler g_source_remove error? [10:46] I can do it now if you want [10:46] seb128: ah, thank you; sorry, drowning in stuff, need to clean up my firefox tabs/requests [10:46] mvo, hey, do you plan to upload that aptdaemon fix you did yesterday, or should I just cherrypick it? [10:46] pitti, no problem, doing that [10:47] * pitti hugs seb128 for chasing bugs [10:47] * seb128 hugs pitti back [10:47] LTS cycles ftw ;-) [10:57] pitti, https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72303 [10:57] Freedesktop bug 72303 in gabble "Invalid g_source_remove use leads to error with new glib (2.39)" [Normal,New] [10:58] seb128: merci [11:02] de rien [11:06] mlankhorst, thanks for the cft email! [11:08] mlankhorst: indeed, I'm about to add the PPA; that's safe for trusty, i. e. said xorg patch is in trusty? [11:09] * pitti installs -- I miss the "debug today's X.org breakage" fun from 2007! [11:10] nowdadays it's just "seb128 broke my jabber", which isn't half as much fun! [11:10] * pitti hugs seb128 [11:10] lol [11:10] * seb128 hugs pitti === psivaa is now known as psivaa-afk [11:12] pitti: yeah and I added a breaks, so it shouldn't even install on saucy :P [11:13] mlankhorst: ok, rebooting; brb (hopefully :) ) [11:13] seb128: I prepared both the saucy and trusty branches, but there was test failure in my rebuild test, not sure if its just a local issue or not. it looks unreleeated to my change though. and thanks for the hugging yesterday :-D [11:15] mlankhorst: it's exactly as boring as before, everything seems to work at least initially (unity, dash, video playback, glxgears) [11:15] mlankhorst: where is the breakage/fun you promised!? [11:15] * seb128 hugs mvo [11:15] mvo, yw ;-) [11:15] mvo, we miss you there! [11:16] pitti: erm where did I promise that? :p [11:16] mlankhorst: *hug*, I wanted to say: nice job! [11:16] mvo, let me test build here to see if tests are unhappy as well [11:16] mvo: ooh, does that fix the long-standing test failure? [11:17] mvo, no, he fixed the most report e.u.c errors, but can't roll the fix out because a test is failing [11:17] pitti: it fixes a long standing errors.ubuntu.com issue, I have not really looked at the test [11:17] (yet :) [11:17] https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/trusty-adt-aptdaemon/20/ARCH=i386,label=adt/console [11:17] KeyError: 'defer' === vrruiz_ is now known as rvr === psivaa-afk is now known as psivaa [12:13] http://www.linuxjournal.com/rc2013?page=53 [12:14] that's a "fun" list [12:18] lol [12:18] "poetterings ideas" [12:18] awesome [12:18] yeah :p [12:18] tons of ubuntu hate [12:19] well, but gnome is worse than Mir [12:19] less popular, though [12:19] seb128: it is indeed a fun list, but the big one for me is that Gnome 3 is knida hated more than anything Ubuntu does :D [12:20] davmor2, don't talk to me, you contextless pinger :p [12:20] LOL [12:20] why does it feel so much like friday today [12:21] ogra_, it's december, every day feels like friday [12:21] ;-) [12:21] heh, yeah [12:21] too much mulled wine [12:22] hum, mulled wine, helps to fight the cold weather ;-) [12:22] ++ [12:22] seb128: single malt whisky does a better job [12:23] Not sure how constructive that kind of peanut gallery hate list is [12:23] Laney, "not at all"... [12:23] they have some weird sections in that survey [12:24] davmor2: Not a very classy celebration :/ [12:24] let's just link to http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/1000-companies-inspire-britain/10485791/ubuntu-canonical-hi-tech.html instead [12:24] :-) [12:24] Laney: not celebrating other than Ubuntu wasn't top which was what I was expecting [12:25] Laney, nice title, /me reads [12:27] ouch [12:28] Laney: that is a nice read :) [12:28] glad to see ubuntu and gnome still agree on one thing: making everyone hate us [12:29] i have to admit that my vote is with the guy who wrote-in the response for "this question" as the worst thing [12:30] * desrt wonders when people will stop doing this pointless shit [12:30] when it stops generating clicks [12:30] seb's fault for putting it on IRC [12:30] bad seb. no cookie. [12:33] tsk, ogra_ shared it on g+ [12:33] * ogra_ finds it massively entertaining ... === shengyao is now known as shengyao_afk [12:34] * desrt learns that there is, in fact, a market for this stuff [12:45] seb128: hm mouse is still invisible with that patch [12:45] mlankhorst, oh, you can reproduce that bug? [12:46] mlankhorst, in fact I think it's to apply on top of the 2013-10-22 commits on http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/log/Xext/sync.c?h=server-1.14-branch [12:46] mlankhorst, is xorg doing point bugfix releases? ;-) [12:47] seb128: I was testing xorg-server 1.14.4 which has those fixes [12:48] :-( [12:48] how do you reproduce the issue? [12:48] oh wait, maybe not the corner-case patch [12:50] I'll try cherry picking that one too [12:51] mlankhorst, thanks ... still, how do you reproduce the bug? I never saw it, do you have a special trick? [12:52] not really, nfs netboot + synergy :P [12:53] thought it was a feature for having no mouse plugged in [12:53] never looked closely though [12:58] seb128: nope, even with the cherry pick... [12:58] mlankhorst, well, if you have no mouse your issue seems like a different bug [12:59] "On fresh boots the greeter & desktop may have the cursor visible or may not until mouse is moved." [12:59] well, having a mouse [12:59] which you don't have? [13:00] fine *plugs in dongle* [13:03] yeah looks like it's invisible until moving ;p [13:03] :-( [13:03] ok, well I guess those fixes would still be nice to get in [13:03] even if they are not enough to fix that specific bug [13:04] pushed [13:05] it seems to be deliberate though, mouse is invisible until I move it, and doesn't become visible if I don't have a dongle plugged in [13:05] which makes synergy harder to use :/ [13:07] mlankhorst, that bug is about the cursor not becoming visible after moving [13:08] ah [13:11] seb128: but that's still the case if I only have synergy to control the cursor :P [13:12] seems a different issue still ;-) === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [13:31] seb128, see https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72312 for my final Poppler patch, I have uploaded Poppler a second time for the file of comment #3 in the bug report. [13:32] Freedesktop bug 72312 in utils "[patch] pdftops: Fixes/improvements for -origpagesizes" [Normal,New] [13:32] tkamppeter, thanks [13:42] hi seb128 [13:42] rickspencer3, hey, how are you? [13:42] seb128, I'm good [13:42] my laptop with the hybrid graphics, not so much :/ [13:43] still not booting? [13:43] * rickspencer3 tries booting into recovery console [13:43] did you try to boot an old kernel? [13:43] seb128, yeah, I booted the oldest kernel on it [13:43] still the same issue? [13:43] yes, acts the same [13:43] which means, hangs at boot before lightdm, no way to go to a vt? [13:43] the Ubuntu logo with the dots, then a blank screen with a still cursor [13:44] seb128, correct [13:44] when did that start? did you play with drivers/bios settings before? [13:44] seb128, sounds like I am alone in getting this issue though, which is good [13:44] I was worried you may have other reports of people having problems [13:44] robert_ancell said he was getting it as well with the current kernels [13:44] seb128, well, I had no problems until yesterday [13:44] we don't have that many users running trusty [13:44] and most of us pick intel hardware [13:45] I actually picked this because it had complicated graphics [13:45] to make sure I knew what users experience [13:45] seb128, so, I booted into recovery mode [13:45] thoughts? [13:46] tseliot, mlankhorst: ^ do you know if there is a driver/kernel issue with hybris systems on trusty? rickspencer3's box hangs when xorg tries to start, he can't even go to a vt [13:46] what box? [13:46] rickspencer3, check for kernel oops errors in dmesg or syslog? [13:46] mlankhorst, hybrid graphics with nvidia [13:46] what driver [13:46] * ogra_ would ask tseliot ... our nvidia guru [13:47] and what card :P [13:47] mlankhorst, don't know [13:47] well bug the kernel team then :D [13:47] seb128, is it possible I have a run of the mill packing issue or somehting? [13:47] should I check dkpg first or something? [13:47] rickspencer3, well, you can check /var/log/dpkg.log to see what changed in the upgrade before the issue start [13:48] seb128, oops, I just ran apt-get update [13:48] that doesn't change anything [13:48] that log has timestamp and record of all changes [13:48] it's rotated, not cleaned [13:48] rickspencer3: anyway try the kernel from saucy [13:49] I'm guessing it might be a runtime pm issue, recent kernels enabled it :P [13:49] mlankhorst, can that be turn off from grub with an option? [13:50] if he uses nouveau probably [13:50] rickspencer3, do you use the nvidia binary drivers or nouveau? [13:50] nouveau [13:50] at least I don't recall installing binary drivers :) [13:50] mlankhorst, how do you turn it off with nouveau? [13:50] add nouveau.runpm=0 [13:51] mlankhorst, where do I add that? [13:51] to kernel cmdline [13:51] in grub [13:51] you can edit the command line with "e" [13:51] (iirc, didn't do that for a while) [13:51] yeah, let me try it [13:53] mlankhorst, where specifically do I add that option? [13:53] rickspencer3: to the kernel line [13:53] I presume you mean the line that says linux [13:53] yeah [13:54] mlankhorst, do I just add it to the end, after $vt_handoff ? [13:54] anywhere [13:54] * rickspencer3 tries [13:54] but that's a good place i think [13:55] uh === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [13:55] mlankhorst, ok, no love there [13:55] thought so, can you run a kernel from saucy? [13:55] mlankhorst, I suppose I could install one [13:56] mlankhorst, though, it worked until yesterday [13:56] what did you change yesterday? [13:56] and I tried the oldest kernel on my computer [13:56] how old is the oldest one? [13:56] seb128, I did a dist-ugprade [13:56] seb128, hold on not that old [13:56] do you regularly clean those? [13:57] seb128, when I get back to grub menu I can tell you specifically [13:57] rickspencer3, it might be easier to just install a saucy kernel to see if that fixes it [13:57] it would have several advantages [13:57] including nailing down the issue to the kernel [13:57] giving you also a working system to look at your logs, open a bug report, etc [13:58] not sure why it started yesterday, robert_ancell seemed to have the same issue on trusty but before then [13:58] seb128, my oldest kernel is 3.11.0-13 [13:58] seb128, robert_ancel and I had the same issue within lightdm [13:59] it wouldn't take keyboard input until we activated a menu [13:59] 3.11.0-13 should be a saucy one I think :/ [13:59] but it fixed for him yesterday [13:59] seb128, yeah [13:59] I'm going to try to dist-upgrade again [13:59] mlankhorst, did we get a nouveau update in trusty? [13:59] nothing [14:00] rickspencer3, do you opt in for some testing ppa yesterday? [14:00] seb128, nope [14:00] seb128, could it be related to having the emulator installed? I recall some users had issues with that [14:00] though I did not try to uninstall it [14:00] I doubt it [14:01] *when* did you install the emulator ... the early version definitely had libc/i386 issues on amd64 machines [14:01] ogra_, it was after those issues were solved [14:01] that was only around for one or two versions though [14:01] but, there was some error meesage in my indicators about not having dependencies for it or something [14:01] yeah, then you shouldnt have any issues due to it [14:01] but I igonried it [14:02] ogra_, the machine seems to lock on xorg start [14:02] right, i have that here too ... [14:02] seems some multiarch issue, but shouldnt do harm (apart from making update-manager moan) [14:02] I probably don't have xorg even installed or something :) [14:02] ogra_, well, that's what I presumed as well, of course [14:03] but now I'm grasping at straws trying to get the desktop back [14:03] (surely something that needs fixing ... but very unlikely related) [14:03] rickspencer3, can you copy your /var/log/dmesg syslog(.1) Xorg.0(.old) somewhere? [14:04] ++ [14:04] looks like I'm getting yet another kernel in this dist-upgrade [14:04] seb128: with or without using the nvidia-prime package? [14:04] logs ftw [14:04] seb128, yeah, I could ftp it to my server [14:04] let me finish this dist-upgrade and then I'll check back in if it still does not boot [14:04] tseliot, rick dist-upgraded yesterday and got the issue, is that pulled in on upgrade in some way? [14:04] rickspencer3, ok [14:04] rickspencer3, dpkg.log would be useful as well [14:05] seb128: jockey only installs it in precise [14:05] so, no [14:05] tseliot, ok, I doubt it's that, rickspencer3 is apparently using nouveau so no jockey or anything [14:05] and it's trusty [14:05] well, seemingly installed under saucy [14:05] oh, it sounds like a work for mlankhorst then ;) [14:05] ogra_, no I probably installed with precise, I don't even remember [14:06] (unless the old kernel was installed manually or some such) [14:06] like precise development [14:06] ah [14:06] I don't even remember what O was called [14:06] Ornery? [14:06] rickspencer3: oneiric :) [14:07] rickspencer3: if you get some logs, I'll see if I can help [14:07] whee, working KBD on my phone ... and even with umlauts ! [14:07] anyway, predictably, the dist-upgrade did not help [14:07] * rickspencer3 enables networking, prepares to upload files [14:10] ogra_: more importantly than any umlauts, the keyboard is now in azerty for sane languages \o/ [14:10] lol ... [14:11] wow [14:12] "French" and "sane" are two words I don't think I've ever seen together in the same phrase [14:12] rickspencer3, stop trolling us if you want your laptop to ever boot again :p [14:12] haha [14:12] lol [14:13] seb128: that's how we're supposed to talk! :) [14:13] cyphermox, hey ... looking at e.u.c, did you ever get anywhere with the wpasupplicant issues? [14:13] didrocks, thanks for the support ;-) === stgraber_ is now known as stgraber [14:17] seb128: I did [14:18] I think I may just be missing the upload to saucy or something, let me look [14:18] cyphermox, thanks! [14:26] cyphermox, the e.u.c trusty report suggests your fix there worked, nice job ;-) [14:27] mvo_, where are the distro template coming from? [14:27]