| darkxst | jw12000, it should work, but it will be very slow, since it will use software rendering | 00:37 |
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| gnomer | Hi! | 17:06 |
| gnomer | Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 will be LTS? | 17:07 |
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| roasted_ | darkxst: I just fired up a live USB of ubuntu gnome 13.10 without PPAs (of course) and it too failed to install a printer. | 19:48 |
| roasted_ | doesn't seem to be 3.8 vs 3.10 related, but 13.10 in itself | 19:48 |
| darkxst | roasted, did it ever work previously? | 19:52 |
| roasted_ | on 13.10, no | 19:52 |
| roasted_ | I've tried 4 printers at this point, all network based. | 19:53 |
| roasted_ | gnome 3.10 in opensuse 13.1... works fine | 19:53 |
| roasted_ | definitely something centralized around the 13.10 release of ubuntu gnome, as far as I can tell, and it doesn't care if I'm on the default 3.8 or PPA'd to 3.10 | 19:53 |
| darkxst | try with a 14.04 image? I can install my network printer here on trusty+3.10 (although it never worked in the past) | 19:54 |
| roasted_ | I can try it | 19:57 |
| roasted_ | by the time this is done downloading I'll be hosting a training session, so I probably won't get to it until much later. | 20:01 |
| roasted_ | is Ubuntu 14.04 changing much in terms of the GTK vs Qt war? | 20:01 |
| roasted_ | Like will Gnome be integrated nicer in Ubuntu 14.04 or will it be heavily driven by PPAs and wizardry workarounds? | 20:01 |
| darkxst | roasted, it should be slightly better, but you will still need a PPA to get full 3.10 | 20:05 |
| roasted_ | ;/ | 20:06 |
| roasted_ | darkxst: are you an ubuntu gnome dev? | 20:06 |
| darkxst | yes | 20:07 |
| roasted_ | darkxst: I'm having a hard time understanding why gnome/ubuntu is a difficult relationship to overcome at the core level. I say this while looking as Xubuntu, who's GTK under the hood, and Mint 16 who have independent-ized Cinnamon to the point it doesn't matter what Ubuntu runs under the hood. | 20:08 |
| darkxst | roasted_, we have quite a few packages shared with Ubuntu | 20:13 |
| darkxst | where as xfce is largely independent of GNOME and cinnamon is a fork | 20:14 |
| roasted_ | ah. :( | 20:18 |
| roasted_ | this is the non-dev of me speaking but I would think, if nothing else, you could just pipe Gnome in its entirety to a single PPA and have it come down separately. | 20:19 |
| roasted_ | That way shared libs with Ubuntu get upgraded and missing libs get installed and = Gnome. | 20:19 |
| darkxst | can't just go replacing shared libs, it messes with the reverse dependencies | 20:24 |
| roasted_ | oh :( | 20:30 |
| roasted_ | it's a shame you can't seemingly have an ubuntu base with an independently (but heavily integrated) gnome instance | 20:31 |
| darkxst | roasted_, we will get there eventually, hopefully for 14.10 | 21:03 |
| roasted_ | darkxst: yeah, I have no doubt. It's just, as long as I can't print, things like that are major show stoppers for me, unfortunately. | 21:09 |
| darkxst | roasted_, but you can? your printer installed via system-config-printer should work fine! | 21:11 |
| roasted_ | well, yeah, I suppose | 21:11 |
| roasted_ | still signs of a broken setup (blunt 2c) | 21:11 |
| roasted_ | gotta run though. thanks again. | 21:12 |
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