[00:37] jw12000, it should work, but it will be very slow, since it will use software rendering === meetingology` is now known as meetingology === back is now known as Guest25770 === Guest25770 is now known as bakc === Saspiron___ is now known as Saspiron__ === shadeslayer_ is now known as shadeslayer === Guest25333 is now known as jokerdino [17:06] Hi! [17:07] Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 will be LTS? === rZr is now known as RzR [19:48] darkxst: I just fired up a live USB of ubuntu gnome 13.10 without PPAs (of course) and it too failed to install a printer. [19:48] doesn't seem to be 3.8 vs 3.10 related, but 13.10 in itself [19:52] roasted, did it ever work previously? [19:52] on 13.10, no [19:53] I've tried 4 printers at this point, all network based. [19:53] gnome 3.10 in opensuse 13.1... works fine [19:53] definitely something centralized around the 13.10 release of ubuntu gnome, as far as I can tell, and it doesn't care if I'm on the default 3.8 or PPA'd to 3.10 [19:54] try with a 14.04 image? I can install my network printer here on trusty+3.10 (although it never worked in the past) [19:57] I can try it [20:01] by the time this is done downloading I'll be hosting a training session, so I probably won't get to it until much later. [20:01] is Ubuntu 14.04 changing much in terms of the GTK vs Qt war? [20:01] Like will Gnome be integrated nicer in Ubuntu 14.04 or will it be heavily driven by PPAs and wizardry workarounds? [20:05] roasted, it should be slightly better, but you will still need a PPA to get full 3.10 [20:06] ;/ [20:06] darkxst: are you an ubuntu gnome dev? [20:07] yes [20:08] darkxst: I'm having a hard time understanding why gnome/ubuntu is a difficult relationship to overcome at the core level. I say this while looking as Xubuntu, who's GTK under the hood, and Mint 16 who have independent-ized Cinnamon to the point it doesn't matter what Ubuntu runs under the hood. [20:13] roasted_, we have quite a few packages shared with Ubuntu [20:14] where as xfce is largely independent of GNOME and cinnamon is a fork [20:18] ah. :( [20:19] this is the non-dev of me speaking but I would think, if nothing else, you could just pipe Gnome in its entirety to a single PPA and have it come down separately. [20:19] That way shared libs with Ubuntu get upgraded and missing libs get installed and = Gnome. [20:24] can't just go replacing shared libs, it messes with the reverse dependencies [20:30] oh :( [20:31] it's a shame you can't seemingly have an ubuntu base with an independently (but heavily integrated) gnome instance [21:03] roasted_, we will get there eventually, hopefully for 14.10 [21:09] darkxst: yeah, I have no doubt. It's just, as long as I can't print, things like that are major show stoppers for me, unfortunately. [21:11] roasted_, but you can? your printer installed via system-config-printer should work fine! [21:11] well, yeah, I suppose [21:11] still signs of a broken setup (blunt 2c) [21:12] gotta run though. thanks again.