[00:37] <darkxst> jw12000, it should work, but it will be very slow, since it will use software rendering
[17:06] <gnomer> Hi!
[17:07] <gnomer> Ubuntu Gnome 14.04 will be LTS?
[19:48] <roasted_> darkxst: I just fired up a live USB of ubuntu gnome 13.10 without PPAs (of course) and it too failed to install a printer.
[19:48] <roasted_> doesn't seem to be 3.8 vs 3.10 related, but 13.10 in itself
[19:52] <darkxst> roasted, did it ever work previously?
[19:52] <roasted_> on 13.10, no
[19:53] <roasted_> I've tried 4 printers at this point, all network based.
[19:53] <roasted_> gnome 3.10 in opensuse 13.1... works fine
[19:53] <roasted_> definitely something centralized around the 13.10 release of ubuntu gnome, as far as I can tell, and it doesn't care if I'm on the default 3.8 or PPA'd to 3.10
[19:54] <darkxst> try with a 14.04 image? I can install my network printer here on trusty+3.10 (although it never worked in the past)
[19:57] <roasted_> I can try it
[20:01] <roasted_> by the time this is done downloading I'll be hosting a training session, so I probably won't get to it until much later.
[20:01] <roasted_> is Ubuntu 14.04 changing much in terms of the GTK vs Qt war?
[20:01] <roasted_> Like will Gnome be integrated nicer in Ubuntu 14.04 or will it be heavily driven by PPAs and wizardry workarounds?
[20:05] <darkxst> roasted, it should be slightly better, but you will still need a PPA to get full 3.10
[20:06] <roasted_> ;/
[20:06] <roasted_> darkxst: are you an ubuntu gnome dev?
[20:07] <darkxst> yes
[20:08] <roasted_> darkxst: I'm having a hard time understanding why gnome/ubuntu is a difficult relationship to overcome at the core level. I say this while looking as Xubuntu, who's GTK under the hood, and Mint 16 who have independent-ized Cinnamon to the point it doesn't matter what Ubuntu runs under the hood.
[20:13] <darkxst> roasted_, we have quite a few packages shared with Ubuntu
[20:14] <darkxst> where as xfce is largely independent of GNOME and cinnamon is a fork
[20:18] <roasted_> ah. :(
[20:19] <roasted_> this is the non-dev of me speaking but I would think, if nothing else, you could just pipe Gnome in its entirety to a single PPA and have it come down separately.
[20:19] <roasted_> That way shared libs with Ubuntu get upgraded and missing libs get installed and = Gnome.
[20:24] <darkxst> can't just go replacing shared libs, it messes with the reverse dependencies
[20:30] <roasted_> oh :(
[20:31] <roasted_> it's a shame you can't seemingly have an ubuntu base with an independently (but heavily integrated) gnome instance
[21:03] <darkxst> roasted_, we will get there eventually, hopefully for 14.10
[21:09] <roasted_> darkxst: yeah, I have no doubt. It's just, as long as I can't print, things like that are major show stoppers for me, unfortunately.
[21:11] <darkxst> roasted_,  but you can? your printer installed via system-config-printer should work fine!
[21:11] <roasted_> well, yeah, I suppose
[21:11] <roasted_> still signs of a broken setup (blunt 2c)
[21:12] <roasted_> gotta run though. thanks again.