[01:25] <airking> About to try installing for the first time, wish me luck!
[02:19] <airking> Wow, adb backup takes quite a while
[02:19] <airking> almost thought it was broken O.o
[02:19] <airking> Doing the install now :3
[02:20] <xnox> airking: btw, adb backup doesn't backup anything marked as "backup ignore" by android apps' xml manifest.
[02:21] <xnox> airking: for example it doesn't backup Google Authenticator, on the other had titanium backup does backup _everything_
[02:21] <airking> As long as it grabs pictures and the basics I'm fine
[02:36] <airking> I'm at "Waiting for install to finish on device", any estimates on how long that takes?
[02:36] <airking> I ran it under sudo
[02:37] <airking> It's been like 3-4 minutes
[02:40] <airking> xnox: How long should I be waiting at "INFO:phablet-flash:Waiting for install to finish on device. Please do not unplug device until phablet-flash finishes.
[02:48] <airking> it's been like 20 min
[02:48] <airking> wtf
[02:50] <airking> I could really use some help here, kind of starting to freak out
[03:01] <airking> anyone here?
[03:13] <airking> Help! I got "
[03:13] <airking> ERROR:phablet-flash:Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way.
[03:13] <airking> What do I do?
[03:15] <airking> no
[03:15] <airking> wait
[03:16] <airking> weird
[03:16] <airking> it worked...
[03:32] <crocket> Will ubuntu tablets run X11 apps on its screens?
[03:33] <crocket> Mir and XMir
[03:53] <airking> So when I go to the messaging app, it says "Voicemmail" at the top
[03:54] <airking> What is that?
[04:56] <crocket> Will ubuntu phones and tablets run regular desktop applications on a monitor?
[04:56] <crocket> those desktop ubuntu binaries?
[07:38] <dholbach> good morning
[08:02] <crocket> no one?
[10:05] <mterry> ogra_, good news, I think I figured out the maguro lightdm issue
[10:05] <mterry> ogra_, testing now
[10:05] <ogra_> whee !!!
[10:06] <mterry> ogra_, it's actually the same issue as we had back when we first enabled lightdm in saucy-touch with maguro.  It just has to be done in a new place in lightdm now that we're taking a different codepath (we need to support maguro's lack of proper VT support)
[10:06] <mterry> ogra_, also, maguro is really slow!  :(
[10:07] <ogra_> yeah, not a new issue :)
[10:08] <ogra_> and yes, we need to support devices without proper VTs ... thats sadly actually the majority of devices out there .... we are just lucky with the nexus devices
[10:10] <mterry> ogra_, yeah, shouldn't be a problem, just a one line fix to tell logind that we are on VT 0 if we don't have multi-seat-vt support
[10:11] <mterry> ogra_, meanwhile, ricmm is kindly looking into the crash on grouper.  Which might be the same as the problem on maguro, I'll find out once I get past this lightdm thing
[10:11] <ogra_> most likely
[10:11] <ogra_> tegra is very odd regarding VTs
[10:12] <ogra_> though it acvtually should at least have tty's enabled in the kernel
[10:12] <mterry> ogra_, I dunno, every time I turn around, some problem is device-specific, I'm leery of saying anything is the same problem  :)
[11:00] <AlienPenguin> hi all, i am experimenting with ubuntu-touvch on a nexus 4, can anyone point me how to access gps?
[11:01] <AlienPenguin> is it possible?
[11:01] <AlienPenguin> what is the device to be used?
[11:01] <AlienPenguin> also, when screen goes black the ticks in the location checkboxes are cleared, is this normal?
[11:04] <timppa> AlienPenguin: Have a look at http://qt.developpez.com/doc/5.0-snapshot/qmlmodule-qtlocation5-qtlocation-5/
[11:06] <timppa> AlienPenguin: You can access GPS from QML, but getting a fix on GPS still takes a lot of time because it's not aGPS
[11:08] <timppa> AlienPenguin: And please join #ubuntu-app-devel for additional questions.
[11:14] <AlienPenguin> timppa, i tried importing QtLocation in a QML file but ubuntu-sdk gave me an error, however now i was experimenting directly on the system... do you know wat is the gps device?
[11:18] <timppa> AlienPenguin: QML is a highlevel stuff, no need to access any specific devices
[11:20] <AlienPenguin> timppa, i know but i have some apps that already do some lower level stuff and i would like to port them to ubuntu-touch without rewriting them in qml
[11:23] <timppa> AlienPenguin: Sorry, I don't know, I've only used QML and js
[11:25] <AlienPenguin> timppa, but did you access gps from qml? i tried importing QtLocation but the qtcreator bundled with the sdk gave me an error
[11:26] <timppa> AlienPenguin: which error?
[11:26] <timppa> AlienPenguin: Do you have QtDeclarative* installed?
[11:30] <AlienPenguin> timppa, i have not installed any other package on the phone, i just flashed the image downloaded from ubuntu website
[11:31] <timppa> AlienPenguin: Phone does not need any additional packages, but your Ubuntu desktop where you run the SDK
[11:33] <AlienPenguin> timppa, i simply followed the instructions on the guide
[11:33] <AlienPenguin> i will check as soon as i can access that system
[11:33] <AlienPenguin> thanks for the insisght
[11:34] <AlienPenguin> however i would stiil like to know if i can access GPS at low level :)
[11:34] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:35] <timppa> AlienPenguin: It's Linux, everything is possible :)
[11:38] <AlienPenguin> timppa, sorry i misspelled, i meant "how" not "if" :)
[11:38] <davmor2> timppa: sudo apt-get install coffee isn't working yet :P
[11:39]  * ogra_ makes a note to call his next project coffee ...
[11:42]  * davmor2 shakes fist at ogra_  and mutters some stuff under his breath about German's and accuracy and humour grrrrrrr ;)
[11:42]  * ogra_ apt-get installs nicotine :P
[11:43] <ogra_> i really wouldnt mind accompaning coffee in the archive ;)
[11:44] <timppa> davmor2: isn't java enough? :p
[11:45] <davmor2> timppa: enough to make me cry :D
[11:45] <timppa> AlienPenguin: Sorry, cannot help you with that
[11:45] <timppa> davmor2: :)
[11:53] <AlienPenguin> does anyone know why the gps/location checkboxes "untick" themselves? every time i go back to the location menu they are unticked
[11:56] <ogra_> AlienPenguin, a) the integration is not complete for the existing GPS service and b) see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1311-location-service-assisted-gps
[11:58] <ogra_> i also doubt you will be able to access any low level stuff from an app due to the app confinement https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement
[11:58] <AlienPenguin> ogra_, i am not looking for a complete agps system (yet :) ) i just want to know if it is working, what device can i access at low -level and, eventually, how to access it with qml/qt framework
[11:58] <ogra_> it should be QtLocation afaik
[12:00] <ogra_> (though i guess #ubuntu-app-devel is the better channel for this)
[12:35] <crvilare> Hi everybody... are there any official papers for Ubuntu touch?
[12:35] <crvilare> or some presentations from conferences?
[12:57] <seb128> MacSlow, while you are doing notify-osd hacking, could you look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/1257717 ?
[12:57] <daker> crvilare: technical ?
[12:59] <crvilare> daker: technical or research papers
[13:00] <daker> crvilare: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1LjGf3IQGraQWxdjkIisI4McVi3GmfCTCDg-lLBUtzis/edit#slide=id.g16fe566e3_00
[13:03] <crvilare> daker: thx... sent a request
[13:04] <daker> crvilare: recheck now
[13:06] <crvilare> daker: thx alot
[13:07] <daker> crvilare: i do have one more doc but in French
[13:10] <crvilare> daker: may I have access to it too?
[13:10] <daker> crvilare: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/14GSiGWWjVI7n2o6p4B99UY8XqjSgjYGvSKiGYPURIBA/edit?usp=sharing
[13:11] <crvilare> daker: Thank you very much
[13:11] <daker> crvilare: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Pq1q-vl0t-mcy-hFhl_c5GK-R_aV75kKA6OCW_AjDcA/edit#slide=id.p
[13:15] <crvilare> daker: thx
[13:15] <daker> crvilare: yw
[13:25] <lops> good morning. anyone tried this to create a click package? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6515430/  The --user option is not recognized by pkcon
[13:36] <daker> lops: i use http://paste.ubuntu.com/6503867/
[13:43] <gmoore13> I have a generic 7" tablet can anyone point me to directions for installing ubuntu on it
[13:45] <popey> !devices | gmoore13
[13:45] <popey> needs to be on that list
[13:45] <gmoore13> its not
[13:45] <ogra_> you could try to do a port yourself ...
[13:46] <ogra_> but note thats not a trivial task
[13:46] <gmoore13> ok thanks
[13:53] <lops> daker, that worked, but my app still doesn't show up in my apps lens
[13:54] <lops> how can I be sure my click package is even ok?
[13:55] <ogra_> lops, try searching for it ... that makes the click lens re-read the apps
[13:56] <lops> nope. won't find it.
[13:57] <lops> it did say Installed, summary goes here
[13:57] <lops> but that probably doesn't say anything
[14:10] <davmor2> who is best to talk to about mediascanner?
[14:11] <dbarth> hi; quick question, what is the component doing input management for wifi keys?
[14:11] <popey> davmor2: thostr_
[14:11] <davmor2> popey: thanks
[14:11] <popey> or jhodapp
[14:11] <dbarth> it refreshes its list too fast for me to type my new loonnnnng wep key
[14:13] <thostr_> davmor2: jamesh or Satoris are actually the best guys to discuss mediascanner with
[14:14] <davmor2> thostr_: okay thanks
[14:15] <ogra_> dbarth, there are several pieces involved ... indicator-network, snap-decisions and network-manager on the low level
[14:58] <lops> is there a way to run a UT touch from the adb shell after pushing the app's files onto the phone?
[15:00] <daker> lops: what do you mean ? running the app ?
[15:02] <lops> i'm having problems creating and installing a click package, so I just pushed everything to my tablet and tried ./<appname>
[15:02] <lops> i just tried that in the tablet's terminal and it seems to work. just need to fixe some bugs now
[15:03] <lops> daker, i wonder if this method is ok, since my app has cpp, qml, etc? i just need it to work, no need to install it for now ;_;
[15:04] <daker> lops: is it a compiled app ?
[15:04] <lops> aye.
[15:04] <lops> daker, it seems to have been nicely compiled, since it DID run now, for the first time :')
[15:05] <daker> lops: ok
[15:20] <lopis> uhm. guys. why was this saying i was banned because of bitcoin activities or wtv?
[15:23] <mterry> ogra_, so heads up on what ricmm, kdub, and I have been looking into regarding nested mode: maguro's deal is (1) the lightdm fix that I mentioned, a branch is waiting to be reviewed and (2) Mir opening devices twice when it shouldn't, kdub is working on.  grouper's problem is some other android driver issue that we have to work around.  I believe ricmm is looking at that
[15:24] <mterry> ogra_, so I guess take it off landing plan for now
[15:28] <timppa> Ubuntu Touch r47 terminal app backspace and enter keys are broken?
[15:29] <timppa> I can type anything but cannot execute anything
[15:29] <timppa> Can someone confirm this?
[15:29] <timppa> Notes and éverything else (so far) seems to work ok
[15:31] <mterry> tedg, heyo!  The greeter dbus api is about to land in unity8, btw
[15:31] <mterry> tedg, the one that says which user is selected and whether they are locked
[15:31] <popey> timppa: confirmed
[15:32] <timppa> popey: ack
[15:32] <popey> timppa: want me to file a bug?
[15:32] <timppa> popey: I need to fly, I can create a bug later or tomorrow, if you can please do
[15:32] <popey> doing now
[15:32] <timppa> gr8
[15:35] <popey> timppa|away: bug 1257791
[15:41] <pmcgowan> barry, hi, I still get the symptom that a delay after download causes the install to not work, is that fix pending more changes landing?
[15:42] <barry> pmcgowan: are you on s-i 2.0.2?  note that even image r47 doesn't appear to have it yet
[15:42] <pmcgowan> barry, guess not then
[15:42] <pmcgowan> I think then it lands any minute
[15:43] <barry> pmcgowan: if you have a writable image, you can always download the .debs and install it manually (i *just* did that :)
[15:43] <pmcgowan> barry, I can wait one more build then, was not sure it was tied to the 2.0
[15:43] <pmcgowan> thanks
[15:44] <barry> pmcgowan: right, and remember that once you upgrade to an image with s-i 2.0, it'll take another published image before you see the benefits :)
[15:45] <pmcgowan> barry, chicken and egg, :)
[15:47] <lopis> guys, where can I read about policies? i need to read a file, and it fails.
[15:49] <pmcgowan> lopis, try http://developer.ubuntu.com/publish/apps/security-policy-for-click-packages/
[15:50] <lopis> pmcgowan, thx
[15:54] <nic-doffay> robotfuel, got a moment to test a potential fix for that selector bug?
[15:55] <robotfuel> nic-doffay: sure
[15:55] <nic-doffay> robotfuel, lp:~nicolas-doffay/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-1231939
[15:55] <robotfuel> nic-doffay: looking now
[15:55] <nic-doffay> robotfuel, I tested it with a slowed down qmlscene
[15:55] <nic-doffay> on the desktop...
[16:00] <ogra_> mterry, it can stay on the plan, i'll just mark it blocked
[16:00] <ogra_> (sorry in a meeting)
[16:00] <tedg> mterry, Woot!  great!
[16:02] <mterry> tedg, they are both exposed as a property (EntryIsLocked and ActiveEntry)
[16:02] <mterry> tedg, on com.canonical.UnityGreeter, /list, com.canonical.UnityGreeter.List
[16:02] <tedg> mterry, Ah, and are the properties in the signal?
[16:04] <mterry> tedg, signal?
[16:04] <mterry> tedg, you'll see PropertiesChanged for them
[16:04] <mterry> tedg, oh
[16:04] <tedg> mterry, User changed
[16:04] <tedg> Oh, so the user is a property as well?
[16:05] <mterry> tedg, I made the user a property too (but still offer old API that had a EntrySelected signal or something like that)
[16:05] <mterry> tedg, the user is the ActiveEntry property
[16:05] <mterry> tedg, but if you want to work with unity-greeter too, you should probably stick to old-school user query API
[16:06] <tedg> mterry, I see.  I am a little worried about a race between the two, but we can use an idle timeout for that.
[16:06] <mterry> tedg, which is SetActiveEntry, GetActiveEntry, and EntrySelected
[16:07] <mterry> tedg, true, we don't bundle the changes.   But I didn't think the race would be a problem
[16:07] <mterry> tedg, you can't get in a bad state via the race, I don't think.  lock change happens first, then user
[16:09] <tedg> mterry, K, makes sense.
[16:41] <Pfalzi> Hello i try to install the ubuntu touch on a galaxy nexus but the keys dosnt work?
[16:46] <ogra_> which keys
[16:51] <mterry> awe_, heyo!  I'm testing receiving calls when the lightdm unity8-greeter is active (user 'lightdm'), and I don't get a notification like I do in unity8.  Is the user 'phablet' hardcoded anywhere, or is there access to /dev devices that the lightdm user might need?
[16:52] <mterry> awe_, or maybe I need more of an upstart session than I have
[16:53] <awe_> mterry, how are you getting call notifications?  Directly from ofono or via telepathy?
[16:54] <mterry> awe_, I believe via telepathy-ofono, which is not being auto-spawned for lightdm user.  Do you know what spawns it?  I didn't see an upstart job, something must be dbus-starting it?
[16:55] <ogra_> there si ofono-setup in the ustart sessions iirc
[16:55] <ogra_> *upstart
[16:55] <ogra_> (that might trigger it)
[16:55] <mterry> ogra_, hmm, seems likely
[17:00] <robotfuel> nic-doffay: I can't get your fix branch to build with dpkg-buildpackage, it's failing tests http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6520692/
[17:00] <nic-doffay> robotfuel, unrelated to that branch, it's an issue with ubuntu-ui-toolkit trunk unfortunately.
[17:01] <robotfuel> nic-doffay: I'll disable make check in the rules file :/
[17:02] <nic-doffay> robotfuel, ok. And ta!
[17:13] <mterry> tedg, looking at upstart-app-launch, owning com.canonical.UpstartAppLaunch isn't sufficient, eh?  To properly hook the greeter in, I'd need to get involved in the upstart job too...
[17:13] <mterry> the application-start job
[17:13] <tedg> mterry, URL Dispatcher?
[17:13] <mterry> tedg, ah!
[17:13] <mterry> tedg, let me look at that.  In my head, I was looking at app-launch
[17:13] <tedg> :-)
[17:14]  * tedg fixes mterry's head
[17:14] <ogra_> pictures ! else it didnt happen
[17:14] <davmor2> greyback: Hey dude, ref bug #1234538  I think I have this issue with the calculator app.  I'm working on the test failures,  I get the following http://ubuntuone.com/5JX9QMe4YKl6naFW7SiWie and any tests fail once this happens
[17:14] <davmor2> greyback: are there any logs that would be useful to help you?
[17:16] <greyback> davmor2: the problem is clear to me,  so I'm good. Thanks tho.
[17:17] <davmor2> greyback: with any luck that will make the dailer app work again too. me crosses my fingers that, that is the case at any rate :)
[17:17] <greyback> davmor2: yep, me too :D
[17:40] <Tassadar> does anybody here have, by any chance, working uart console on n4/other nexus device?
[18:15] <mterry> tsdgeos, I notice that my greeter-dbus-api branch failed in autolanding.  Seemingly still to flaky tests.  I've not seen this error before (the autolanding failure vs CI failure).  There's no retry button, do I set needs-review then approved?
[19:02] <mhall119> halp!  I have a run-away init process
[19:04] <mhall119> ogra_: ping
[19:07] <nemo_> howdy
[19:09] <mhall119> ogra_: sergiusens: can one of you tell me how to provide useful debugging data around my runaway init process?
[19:10]  * mhall119 ran ubuntu-bug against upstart
[19:10] <iBelieve> balloons: ping
[19:10] <balloons> iBelieve, :-)
[19:12] <iBelieve> balloons: I need help getting Jenkins to rebuild. I see other branches for File Manager are passing now, so I clicked rebuild (several times with in the last week) on one of my branches that failed, but nothing has happened.
[19:12] <iBelieve> balloons: the merge request is https://code.launchpad.net/~mdspencer/ubuntu-filemanager-app/improved-file-opening/+merge/196429
[19:12] <balloons> iBelieve, I have something for you to review actully
[19:12] <balloons> iBelieve, https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-filemanager-app/debug-ap-tests/+merge/197593
[19:13] <balloons> iBelieve, rebuilding your stuff in a sec
[19:14] <iBelieve> balloons: reviewed. Sorry, saw the email come in for it but then totally forgot to review it :(
[19:15] <balloons> iBelieve, and yes all the tests should be passing.. so let's keep it that way. that mp was to make sure they worked on the phone too. you threw me for a loop with the changes in the wide display vs phone display
[19:15] <balloons> there's not goto button :-)
[19:15] <balloons> so I had to make an mp to use the places popover instead depending on the screen
[19:16] <iBelieve> balloons: that's odd. I through I modified the AP tests to work for both screen sizes
[19:16] <balloons> iBelieve, I made some changes to stop patching home. so at the start of every test it navigates to a temp folder
[19:16] <balloons> and works inside of it
[19:16] <balloons> that navigation logic uses goto or places
[19:17] <balloons> iBelieve, your branch has conflicts now
[19:17] <iBelieve> balloons: okay, I'll fix the conflicts.
[19:18] <balloons> ahh you are removing the file dialog eh?
[19:19] <iBelieve> balloons: yeah, I see no need for it as desktop file managers don't have one
[19:42] <sergiusens> mhall119, init ran away or some job that init started?
[19:43] <crocket> Will ubuntu touch run desktop ubuntu applications on connected monitors?
[19:43] <crocket> Will it run nongraphical desktop applications in the background and a terminal emulator?
[19:50] <mhall119> sergiusens: it was init's process
[19:50] <mhall119> user-session init, not system-level init
[19:50] <mhall119> sergiusens: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/1257880 has everything I knew to gather
[19:50] <sergiusens> mhall119, oh, and it just disappeared?
[19:51] <sergiusens> mhall119, seems similar to what I think Ursinha saw
[19:51] <mhall119> crocket: we'll have to wait and see (or help us build what you want to see)
[19:51] <mhall119> sergiusens: no, it never disppeared
[19:51] <mhall119> I was able to gather info via adb shell, reported the bug then rebooted the phone
[19:51] <mhall119> init never gave up any CPU or RAM before I rebooted, nor did it ever die
[19:54] <mhall119> ubuntu-bug didn't seem to gather much useful data though
[19:54] <balloons> iBelieve, looks like your mp is good to go :-)
[19:55] <iBelieve> balloons: great, now I just need to find someone to review it :)
[19:56] <nemo_> any of you have experience with forgetting to put your update.zip image on the phone and being unable to push it to the phone?
[19:57] <nemo_> ive been trying: "adb push /path/to/your/downloaded/saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip /sdcard/autodeploy.zip" for the last hour
[19:57] <nemo_> using the correct path of course
[19:59] <nemo_> is there a way to mount your phone as a removable storage device from the ubuntu recovery
[20:00] <balloons> nemo_, ubuntu recovery == clockwork recovery. it's certainly possible to do that in twrp, and I believe clockwork
[20:00] <mhall119> nemo_: you're not actually using "/path/to/your/downloaded/" are you?
[20:00] <balloons> been awhile
[20:01] <nemo_> mhall119: im using the correct path, not the example path
[20:02] <mhall119> ok
[20:02] <mhall119> does adb give you an error?
[20:03] <nemo_> yeah, adb said my device was not recognized
[20:03] <crocket> mhall119, wait and see?
[20:03] <nemo_> but i used adb to flash the recovery
[20:04] <nemo_> maybe ill just flash twrp and stop being a stick in the mudd
[20:06] <mhall119> crocket: the desktop side of things is still being worked out, how it will work when docking a phone even more so
[20:06] <mhall119> nemo_: if you run "adb devices" does it show your device?
[20:06] <mhall119> it could just be that you need to adb kill-server && sudo adb start-server
[20:07] <nemo_> thanks for the input mhall19. ill take a look
[20:08] <nemo_> it shows that im attached in recovery
[20:15] <nemo_> -crosses fingers-
[20:16] <nemo_> pushing the file over to the phone now!
[20:16] <crocket> mhall119, what about command line programs?
[20:16] <mhall119> crocket: what about them?
[20:17] <crocket> Will I be able to execute command line programs in ubuntu touch?
[20:17] <crocket> I already have "ls" and other desktop command line programs
[20:17] <mhall119> you already can
[20:18] <crocket> good
[20:18] <mhall119> probably every default command-line program in the desktop is on the phone images
[20:18] <crocket> mhall119, Does ubuntu touch use just plain desktop packages?
[20:18] <mhall119> for the most part, yes
[20:18] <mhall119> apps are largely click packages, but the rest of the distro uses the same debs
[20:19] <mhall119> remember, Ubuntu desktop and Ubuntu phone are literally the *same* OS, currently they have different desktop shells (Unity 7 vs. Unity 8), but in the future even that will be the same
[20:19] <nemo_> this project is so exciting
[20:20] <mhall119> I know, right? :)
[20:20]  * cwayne_ can't wait for unity8 on desktop
[20:20] <crocket> mhall119, It seems that ubuntu touch is the only mobile OS that comes with linux desktop stacks.
[20:21] <crocket> android and firefox OS use bionic instead of glibc.
[20:21] <crocket> mhall119, Can I just install tinc or OpenVPN and run them on ubuntu touch?
[20:22] <crocket> How do ubuntu mobile devices run X11 applications when connected to monitors?
[20:24] <dobey> they don't currently, because the convergence feature set is not complete
[20:25] <mhall119> crocket: I'm not sure what tinc is
[20:25] <crocket> mhall119, tinc is a VPN program just like OpenVPN.
[20:26] <crocket> dobey, What do they do?
[20:26] <mhall119> crocket: eventually X11 apps will run in their own XMir window on top of Mir itself
[20:26] <crocket> mhall119, Even in ubuntu mobile devices?
[20:26] <mhall119> but that will only be usable on desktop, as almost every X11-dependent app will be awful on a small touch screen
[20:27] <mhall119> crocket: in theory on mobile devices, in practice we'll want to avoid that scenario as much as possible for the reason above
[20:27] <lops> hey, guys, I tried running an app I'm making just via terminal on my nexus 7. it ran just fine, but touch didn't work. do you know any work around?
[20:27] <mhall119> now, most apps using toolkits like Qt or Gtk should be able to run directly on Mir, without needing the XMir/X11 container
[20:27] <crocket> mhall119, tablets have large enough screens.
[20:27] <crocket> mhall119, my ipad is big enough
[20:28] <mhall119> crocket: my fingers are too big :)
[20:28] <crocket> I'm really disappointed with apple devices.
[20:28] <crocket> mhall119, well...
[20:28] <mhall119> lops: what do you mean touch didn't work?
[20:28] <crocket> mhall119, if I connect my tablet to a keyboard and a mouse, I want to see a desktop session on its screen.
[20:28] <lops> well, when I touched with my fingers on the screen, where I places some touchable buttons, nothing happened :P
[20:28] <mhall119> crocket: and I think that's the plan
[20:29] <crocket> cool
[20:29] <mhall119> lops: hmmm, it's likely the process is being suspended when you switch away from the terminal app
[20:29] <crocket> mhall119, probably a keyboard with a trackpad!
[20:30] <lops> switch away? :/ i didn't. I think. i was wondering if there was a difference in it being run via terminal
[20:30] <lops> maybe something else was catching all the touch events
[20:30] <mhall119> lops: are you running from the terminal app, or using adb over usb?
[20:30] <lops> the terminal app. I couldn't figure how to run apps from adb or ssh
[20:31] <lops> I also couldn't figure how to install my .click that I compiled and built with much love.
[20:31] <mhall119> yeah, so when you open you app, the terminal-app loses focus on the screen, which will cause Ubuntu to pause it's process
[20:31] <lops> I mean, it installed, but never appeared on my dash
[20:31] <mhall119> but, since the terminal's process spawn'd your app's process, it could be pausing that too
[20:32] <lops> that makes sense.
[20:32] <mhall119> lops: did you publish your .click in the store, or just copy if over to your device?
[20:32] <lops> because UT would always say only the terminal was openned, ofc.
[20:32] <lops> I pushed it via adb
[20:33] <mhall119> lops: you should be able to run (as phablet user) "pkcon install-local $clickpackagefile"
[20:33] <lops> it's not finished :/ I just wanted to test it. I wish it was easy to test via QTC like QML apps
[20:33] <lops> mhall119, yes, it installed fine. but nothing happened after that.
[20:34] <mhall119> lops: you can as phablet user, not root?
[20:35] <mhall119> lops: see if your app's .desktop file was copied into ~/.local/share/applications/
[20:36] <lops> mhall119, i can't remember if i tried as phablet. i don't have the nexus atm :/ it's not mine. but I will check that
[20:37] <mhall119> ok
[20:37] <lops> mhall119, to run as phablet user, I do #sudo -u phablet <commands> ?
[20:37] <mhall119> if you ran pkcon as root, it wouldn't put the .desktop file in the right place
[20:37] <mhall119> lops: I usually "sudo -iu phablet" to get a shell session as phablet
[20:37] <mhall119> then run any other commands
[20:38] <lops> ah cool. thx
[20:38] <lops> i've been using Ubuntu for like 5 years, on and off, but i'm still such a noob x) I love this channel
[20:40] <mhall119> that's okay, I've been using linux for almost a decade and I'm still a noob too
[20:41] <lops> this is for a school assignment. the teacher suggested we did a Windows Phone app, but any mobile platform was fine too. I decided to "try" UT
[20:41] <lops> now i'm neck deep in this, it's way too late to change, and I'm doing so much more than a mobile app rofl. but it's been fun ofc
[20:42] <crocket> mhall119, When will I see the first ubuntu phones and tablets?
[20:44] <mhall119> crocket: hopefully next year, but I don't have any knowledge about it that isn't already public
[20:47] <lops> talking about that. I was thinking the other day how Google has all the big manufacturers binded in a contract that prevents them from selling any phone with modified non-google android phones
[20:47] <crocket> mhall119, I've used iPhone 4 for 3 years, and I'm running out of patience.
[20:47] <crocket> The home button of my iPhone is not working well!
[20:47] <lops> like amazon can never, ever, in the future sell google-android stuff, or have access to google play store
[20:48] <lops> now... doesn't this mean that no big brand will be interested in the modified android that is Ubuntu Touch? :S
[20:51] <mhall119> lops: Ubuntu isn't a modified Android, so they can ship it *and* their Google Play approved version of Android
[20:52] <lops> hm ok. what parts exactly of UT are Android?
[20:52] <lops> the drivers or so?
[20:52] <mhall119> there are some kernel patches and drivers
[20:52] <mhall119> not much left, really
[20:53] <mhall119> it's certainly not enough to prevent them from shipping Ubuntu and Google Android both
[20:55] <lops> ok
[20:55] <lops> that gives me some hope
[20:55] <lops> because, man, UT is so damn gorgeous.
[20:56] <daker> lops: see slide 4 https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1LjGf3IQGraQWxdjkIisI4McVi3GmfCTCDg-lLBUtzis/edit?pli=1#slide=id.g16fe566e3_00
[21:00] <lops> daker, ty. that was helpful
[21:01] <daker> lops: thanks to rsalveti (for the slides)
[21:01] <lops> rsalveti, thanks for the slides
[21:10] <rsalveti> :-)
[21:13] <cuco> hi all, i installed ubuntu touch on my nexus4, and I dont see where do i enable the wifi. can anyone help me?
[21:15] <crocket> hmm
[21:16] <crocket> Is it ok to buy nexus 5 and install ubuntu touch on it?
[21:16] <lops> depending on what kind of wifi you have, you may be lucky or out of luck :D
[21:16] <cuco> i installed the devel channel... an oops?
[21:17] <lops> cuco, you mean there's no wifi in your settings app?
[21:18] <cuco> lops: I only see "auto join..." I cannot choose the network.
[21:18] <lops> cuco, so your network doesn't show up? above that auto join stuffis where the networks are listed
[21:19]  * cuco checks that checkbox on... and still sees nothing
[21:19] <lops> cuco, is it an adhoc? i tried connecting to my laptop with adhoc and it didnt show up either
[21:20] <cuco> no. standard wifi crap... worked 5 mins ago on stock :) Maybe I should choose a more conservative channel :)
[21:20] <lops> I also failed to connect to eduroam on campus, which is wpa enterprise
[21:21] <lops> you could try copying your profiles from your latop onto UT if you've got ubuntu running on your pc
[21:21] <lops> but I guess if it doesn't even show up, it could very much be some channel limitations oO
[21:22] <mhall119> cuco: if you pull down the network indicator from the top, does it list any APs?
[21:22] <cuco> mhall119: no. tried it already.
[21:22] <cuco> nice. dialer is not working. lets reflash with "trusty"
[21:22] <mhall119> is your SSID broadcast or hidden?
[21:23] <cuco> ssid is not hidden, and I don't see any wifi. at all.
[21:23] <mhall119> yeah, I'd recommend using the "trust" channel, not the devel ones
[21:23]  * cuco will be back in 15 mins
[21:23] <lops> have fun
[21:23] <mhall119> remember, devel and -proposed mean "Images that haven't passed their automated testing yet"
[21:25] <mhall119> for a phone especially, you want to only install things that aren't failing to pass tests
[21:25] <mhall119> I have my N7 tablet on trust-proposed, but my N4 phone is just trust
[21:39] <cuco> i am probably missing something. i still don't see any networks.
[21:40] <cuco> well... rild works... but i could not hang up...
[21:40] <cuco> stable? ok
[21:43] <crocket> When will I be able to install ubuntu touch on nexus 5?
[21:44] <ogra_> crocket, that will still take a while ... the android bits we use are still on 4.2
[21:44] <jevon_>  2 months maybe
[21:44] <ogra_> (which does not run on N5)
[21:44] <janimo`> crocket, we need the hammerhead kernel in the archive and a port to 4.4 as ogra said
[21:45] <janimo`> these are both needed but are independent tasks
[21:45] <ogra_> janimo`, and sadly also hybris
[21:45] <ogra_> thats not yet 4.4 either
[21:45] <janimo`> ogra_, part of the port to 4.4 task
[21:45] <ogra_> indeed
[21:45] <janimo`> the hard part of it
[21:45] <ogra_> heh, yes
[21:46] <janimo`> ogra_, hammerhead builds from the same sources as mako - once rebased on the kitkat kernel tree, so that should be straightforward
[21:46] <cuco> which parts of android 4.4 are needed in Ubuntu to be able to run on Nexus5? Lets ignore the kernel, which should "boot".
[21:46] <ogra_> janimo`, well, i guess we want all trees on the same android version
[21:46] <cuco> do the drivers available for nexus 5 implement newer HAL api...?
[21:46] <ogra_> cuco, all the binary blobls ... and the services to use them
[21:47] <crocket> Can I install ubuntu touch on SGS4 already?
[21:47] <ogra_> !devices | crocket
[21:47] <cuco> ogra_: nice... interesting... much more then my work :)
[21:47] <janimo`> ogra_, indeed, we could already try the kitkat branch for mako
[21:47] <ogra_> crocket, no idea where the port stands yet
[21:47] <janimo`> even with the 4.2 userland
[21:47] <ogra_> you mean the kernel ?
[21:48] <janimo`> ogra_, yes
[21:48] <ogra_> there aree some firmware issues with mako and 4.4 ...
[21:48] <ogra_> at least if you want to be able to use ril iirc
[21:48] <ogra_> the baseband firmware in 4.4 is newer and not backwards compatible
[21:49] <ogra_> (people that upgraded to 4.4 have known issues running ubuntu touch)
[21:49] <ogra_> on mako ...
[21:49] <janimo`> ogra_, even after doing a reflash of 4.2 via fastboot?
[21:49] <ogra_> no, thats fine
[21:49] <janimo`> ok
[21:50] <ogra_> but if you have 4.4 (which many if not most people that would try UT most likely have ... they need to downgrade first
[21:50] <crocket> huh
[21:51] <cuco> mmm... i still don't see any wireless networks.
[21:51] <cuco> i am on stable now... so we have 2 options: 1) I have no idea what I am doing, 2) my device is "different"
[21:51] <ogra_> cuco, is that a mako ?
[21:52] <ogra_> (nexus 4)
[21:52] <cuco> ogra_: yes. nexus44
[21:52] <ogra_> cuco, and did you have kitkat on it before installing ubuntu ?
[21:52] <cuco> ogra_: yes.
[21:52] <ogra_> well, read the lines i wrote above :)
[21:53] <ogra_> the kitkat firmware is incompatible with the android 4.2 userspace ... which we use in ubuntu touch for the radio
[21:53] <cuco> so... re-flash the modem...? do you konw what exactly is needed? i sohuld i re-flash all 4.3 and then ubuntu?
[21:53] <ogra_> thats currently the only way i know about ...
[21:53] <cuco> that = all 4.3?
[21:54] <ogra_> going back to the older android (4.2 would likely be better) and then re-installing ubuntu
[21:54] <ogra_> i havent heard about issues with 4.3 though ... might be fine too
[21:55] <cuco> ok, testing 4.3 then
[22:09] <cuco> nice. now i have wireless.
[22:11] <cuco> how do i add another keyboard layout?
[22:17] <lops> cuco, there are some instructions in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/ReleaseNotes#Keyboard but I didn't try them myself tbh
[22:19] <cwayne_> they're a bit out of date though
[22:19] <cwayne_> you can set the locale from the system-settings app
[22:31] <nemo_> so so there is no way to just re-flash the radio to get wifi working? you have to install 4.3 android?
[22:32] <nemo_> finally got the phone up and running and the the wifi news was a bummer
[22:33] <Guest42302> have they got ubuntu touch to work on the nexus 7 second gen yet?
[22:34] <bfiller> anyone know where DLOG messages from unity-mir go on the disk?
[22:37] <nemo_> found the answer for others who were wondering about the wifi problems http://askubuntu.com/questions/380435/wifi-issue-on-nexus-4-16gb
[22:38] <sergiusens> bfiller, my bet would be ~/.cache/upstart/unity8.log
[22:38] <bfiller> sergiusens: doesn't seem to be there
[22:39] <bfiller> sergiusens: I mean the log is there but not the messages is see in the code using DLOG
[22:40] <sergiusens> got it
[22:53] <markr_> Hello!
[22:53] <markr_> I've been trying to install Ubuntu Touch on a Galaxy Nexus, following the instructions here: http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/install
[22:54] <markr_> On the phone, the message "ROM may flash stock recovery on boot. Fix? THIS CANNOT BE UNDONE." came up, but as per instructions just left it
[22:55] <markr_> Later I got the message on the computer "ERROR:phablet-flash:Installation is taking too long or an error occured along the way."
[22:55] <markr_> and the phone hangs with the Google logo when booting
[22:56] <markr_> I can get into the bootloader as normal by pressing vol up + vol down + power
[22:56] <markr_> but it never shows up in the list of adb devices
[22:56] <markr_> so I'm not sure how to proceed
[22:56] <markr_> Any ideas?
[23:28] <Guest42302> have they got ubuntu touch to work on the nexus 7 second gen yet?
[23:31] <popey> Guest42302: not yet
[23:48] <Guest42302> how close are they to having it be in the pre-release stage?
[23:53] <Guest42302> Also, can you install the  Ubuntu Core on Nexus 7 [2013]? like they show here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7