=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === hayden_ is now known as Devilsolution [01:40] yo [01:41] what the channel with loads of peoples in it? [01:41] how'd i search [01:41] ??/ [01:51] Devilsolution: that was vague [01:53] yeh major [01:53] im drunk [07:16] morning all [07:28] möh [07:29] \o === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad|afk [08:25] http://www.planetary.org/blogs/casey-dreier/2013/20131108-we-need-you-to-stand-up-for-planetary-science.html http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/12/nasa-might-stop-exploring-the-planets-heres-why-thats-terrible/282012/ https://twitter.com/plutokiller/status/407947852002783233 :-( [08:33] morning everyone [08:41] choo choo [08:43] * AlanBell is on the eurotunnel [08:50] morning [08:51] Hey AlanBell .. heading towards Belgium ? [08:58] knightwise: Eurotunnel goes to France :P [09:22] http://www.blastem-game.com/ is a fun game ☻ [09:23] USB type C connections announced. main feature: no more quantum right-way-up calculations, as it's reversible (like Lightning) [09:23] popey, ^^ [09:23] Good morning peeps :) [09:24] saw someone mention that on G+ and it made me smile ☻ [09:24] woohoo! [09:24] g'day [09:24] directhex: [citation needed] [09:24] I daren't imagine the amount of time wasted on getting USB plugs the wrong way up. [09:24] when you add it up around the world it must be thousands of years [09:24] MartijnVdS, http://www.usb.org/press/USB-IF_Press_Releases/Type-C_PR_20131203_Final.pdf [09:25] dwatkins: I get it right the first time 99% of the time [09:25] MartijnVdS: I'm thinking of other people ;) [09:26] popey: https://plus.google.com/113887142977624814920/posts/HZwsF121jFA [09:26] whichever way I initially try I can be sure it's the wrong way [09:28] bashrc: I've heard people claim they have some kind of weird geometry, where turning it around *twice* makes it work [09:29] it's like a ritual [09:30] MartijnVdS, it's quantum [09:30] MartijnVdS, you don't know it's upside-down until you try to plug it in and the waveform collapses [09:30] directhex: ah! that explains why my cables are so (en)tangled [09:32] I have a 10-port USB hub on my desk, and it's still not enough. [09:36] i have 2x7 port ☻ [09:36] popey: is it enough though? [09:36] at the moment [09:37] i don't have a hub per se [09:37] but i have a usb switch [09:37] 4 device -> 2 host [09:39] I didn't even know they existed. I have DVI switches with PS2 ports, though, I guess it's similar. [09:39] Sadly my DVI switch is pretty useless, as it forces the resolution to get reset to something unuseably low. [09:40] 320x200? [09:40] Ok, not quite that bad ;) [09:43] dwatkins, switches make EDID hard [09:44] dwatkins, i use http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/cerulian-4-port-usb-20-switching-hub-n10jb [09:46] directhex: yeah, I suspected that was the issue - mine was cheap from Maplin... it's now been discontinued. [09:48] Good morning all; happy Wear Brown Shoes Day! :-D [09:49] ewww [09:49] dafuq? [09:50] * popey has brown slippers [09:50] * dwatkins has white^Wgrey trainers [09:50] JamesTait: see G+ ;) [09:50] I'm just wearing my black converses [09:52] I'm wearing the same black Karrimor boots I always do. [09:53] i need some new boots [09:54] popey: http://www.philosophersguild.com/Freudian-Slippers.html ;) [10:00] New Balance walking shoes++ === brobosti1on is now known as brobostigon [10:19] sweet. i used to have this aston martin when i was a kid (still have it) http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/3382048.htm [10:20] the ejector seat worked in mine though [10:20] good morning everyone. [10:20] Morning brobostigon [10:20] morning bigcalm [10:24] %up 99.959 | since Thu Feb 14 23:02:18 2013 [10:24] Such stats are silly, but they still please me. Bytemark vps still going strong [10:25] bigcalm: mine was rebooted several times 2 weeks ago [10:25] Oh dear [10:25] bigcalm: the "head" crashed twice (bigv) [10:25] Ah, it would cost me more to move to bigv for the same spec that I have [10:25] it was cheaper for me :) [10:26] Swings and roundabouts [10:39] yesss got my screen protector on first go [10:39] no bubbles or dust [10:39] i get terrible OCD with bubbles under scren protectors [10:40] "We believe that we could have offered a better price for this item in our Black Friday Lightning Deals promotion. Therefore, we are refunding you £4.00 in relation to your order." [10:40] foobarry: Do it in the bathroom after having a shower. The steam will take the dust out of the air. [10:40] "ok" [10:40] TwistedLucidity: yes but i'm impatient too [10:40] Myrtti: Amazon are weirdly nice like that sometimes [10:40] its also the quality of your cleaning cloth (i have a poor one) [10:40] Myrtti, yeah, wife got that [10:40] foobarry: Impatience and OCD...hardly a winning combination. :-) [10:41] Myrtti, for a netgear thingy [10:41] directhex: yeah, that's what I bought too [10:41] Myrtti: "We deliberately charged more than we strictly needed to in order to issue these refunds and get some sweet, sweet PR." [10:42] Myrtti, *astonishingly*, it works well [10:42] Cynical, me? [10:42] we haven't even plugged ours in yet [10:43] bought it mainly for garden / raspi use [10:43] Anyone recommend a cheapish router that I can run openwrt on ? I'm not the most flush person at the mo [10:45] do yo *need* one? [10:45] Myrtti, i get 2 bars in the bedroom from the homehub, but irc & web pages start timing out silently dozens of times a day. no problem at all since using the netgear ext thingy [10:46] diplo: I've got a Buffalo unit that runs DD-WRT (so openWRT should work too). Only real negative against it is how the Ethernet ports are bridged; can't separate traffic. Cost about £80. [10:46] Well I'd like something more configurable than the sky ones [10:46] DD-WRT is ok for me [10:47] OpenWRT was the first on mind, the sky router I have is rubbish and wanted to try something that I can control more. [10:49] I feel like it's time for a reminder of "do not buy belkin network gear" - even when belkin can't be flashed with openwrt/ddwrt [10:49] diplo: I have a Buffalo AirStation NFINITI: WZR-HP-AG300H-EU. As I said, the only thing I can't seem to do is separate traffic by physical port; so hard to have "work" and "play" networks. [10:50] But then I'm pretty crap at networking. [10:50] asus do a cheapish one [10:51] its on the ddwrt wiki or maybe the openwrt wiki [10:51] OK great, will take a look thanks [10:51] Looking on there now foobarry, downside is so many that I can't see price simply without checking [10:52] * popey hugs his Netgear WNDRs running dd-wrt and openwrt [10:55] http://skinflint.co.uk/?cat=wlanrout&xf=758_OpenWrt&sort=p [10:55] hello [10:55] anyone to help me [10:55] E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:3: Extra junk at end of file === kiran is now known as Guest33366 [10:56] anyone here know if there is similar things to this but for the UK? http://www.eezy.fi/english [10:56] i have above error while using apt-get [10:56] E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf:3: Extra junk at end of file [10:56] Some cheap ones there foobarry :) [10:56] but syntax is correct [10:57] i used ":" at the end but dont know why the error [10:57] Not sure I could help Guest33366 but probably worth paste binning the config [10:57] Guest33366: pastebin your /etc/apt/apt.conf ? [10:57] yeah diplo, much cheaper than i expected [10:58] Acquire::http::proxy“http://123070063:password@netmon.iitb.ac.in:80/” [10:59] Those would do until I'm a little more flush next year [10:59] this is the content of /etc/apt/apt.conf [11:00] haiiiiiiiiiii [11:00] Guest33366: those quotes look wrong [11:00] like smart unicode quotes [11:00] popey: what wrong [11:01] also you probably need a space after "proxy" [11:01] “ and ” look wrong [11:01] did you copy and paste directly from the file to here? [11:01] this is what suggested in many pages [11:01] they should be " [11:01] which is a different character [11:01] i also used semicolon at the end [11:01] yes [11:02] just edit the file, remove the smart quotes and replace them with normal " quotes from your keyboard [11:02] you probably copy/pasted that content from a wordpress blog which tries to be clever and makes the quotes look like that [11:02] okay i l try that [11:03] definitely smart quotes to blame [11:03] Smart quotes in code exmaples are one of my pet hates. Makes me think "What did you draft this in? MS Word? Moron." [11:04] thank you very much popey [11:04] np [11:04] foobarry: airfix/hornby reminder [11:05] thanks popey [11:06] i "know" some people who won stuff last year [11:06] no idea how many entries they get [11:06] 4 [11:07] if they appear on moneysaving expert then loads i expect [11:08] getting a cromwell tank for xmas [11:12] Tue Dec 03 15:05:50 2013 Initialization Sequence Completed With Errors ( see http://openvpn.net/faq.html#dhcpclientserv ) i recived this problem openvpn please tel me how to resolve [11:13] MANAGEMENT: >STATE:1386063350,CONNECTED,ERROR,192.1680.1,183.1.1.1 [11:13] dvrr: it tells you where to look for a solution [11:13] dvrr: also, note the missing "." in 192.168.0.1 [11:14] yeah, that looks wron [11:14] g [11:14] (your log line has 192.1680.1) [11:14] ooh, virgin smartcall.. never heard of that before [11:14] thanks marketing mail from virgin [11:15] MANAGEMENT: >STATE:1386063350,CONNECTED,ERROR,192.168.0.1 [11:15] popey: yeah it just means that virgin spy on you through your webcam and only allow calls when you're not busy ;) [11:15] anyone used the o2 voip/sip service? [11:16] popey: "smartcall"? I is also Virgin customer, but don't get their mail (other than continual notifications of price hikes). [11:16] it was in that mail about price hikes that I just read about it [11:16] MartijnVdS : no sorry my log line MANAGEMENT: >STATE:1386063350,CONNECTED,ERROR,192.168.0.1 [11:17] dvrr: I think you should look at that link in the first error message [11:18] dvrr: the openvpn site has a *lot* of good documentation [11:18] TwistedLucidity, popey: I got it too, the only thing is I get free calls on my mobile to any number so it's actually cheaper to use my mobile :D [11:19] i have another use case for it ☻ [11:19] davmor2: If I ever have spare time, I think investing it in Asterisk (or similar) and a SIP service might be good. Virign's call charges are extortionate. [11:19] popey: That virgin smartcall seems to be like facetime [11:19] not at all [11:20] facetime uses wifi for calls when available, to other apples only though [11:20] exactly, so not like that at all ☻ [11:21] same thing but different limits. [11:22] dogmatic69: all calls on virgin are basically routed in the same way as their internet is, so it's just using the internet to connect to the landline effectively. [11:22] Now deeply worried about what "use case" popey might have in mind for such a service..... [11:22] it lets you make *phone* calls [11:22] TwistedLucidity: are you usually know by another nick? [11:22] its basically a sip client [11:23] so nothing like facetime which is a person to person video chat locked into one manufacturer [11:23] foobarry: No, I am always me. Unless something has gone wrong.... [11:23] Or some sod is imitating me.... [11:24] * popey suspect foobarry thinks TwistedLucidity is the guy who was banned yesterday by DJones [11:24] heh [11:24] i didn't but now i do [11:24] smartcall is useful for making calls from abroad via wifi. [11:24] popey: when DJones kicks people are they put in his locker? [11:25] ☻ [11:25] Sent to the bottom of the deep blue IRC [11:25] groan [11:25] popey: Wait what IBM have irc [11:25] ☻ [11:25] Serious question: Anyone made Bumblebee and nouveau work together? Got the proprietary drivers to work OK(ish, slow though). But not nouveau. [11:26] TwistedLucidity: are you on Saucy? [11:26] Get some libdrm version error gubbins. [11:26] davmor2: Yes, Kubuntu 13.10 64bit to be precise. [11:27] TwistedLucidity: you just need nvidia-319 and nvidia-prime no need for bumblebee [11:27] Got that to work OK. But wanted to try nouveau, so I purged the proprietary nvidia stuff. [11:27] Wanted to see if the GPL-only kernel calls had any effect. [11:28] But I just get: [XORG] (EE) NOUVEAU(0): [drm] failed to set drm interface version. [11:29] Full details here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2191257 [11:29] yeah bumblebee is really targeted at nvidia not so much nouveau, however nvidia have as I understand it started to work with the nouveau guys and I believe there is an experimental version of nouveau that supports optimus iirc [11:30] davmor2: Ooooo, freakin' awesome news. That with kernel 3.12 might be a goer y'think? [11:30] TwistedLucidity: let me double check I'm sure I saw it though [11:31] TwistedLucidity: http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/Optimus/ [11:34] Yay I knew something \o/ [11:37] Thanks davmor2, I think I now have a Chrimbo project [11:37] TwistedLucidity: yw [11:37] I had stumbled across "Switcheroo" but for some reason thought it was old-hat (Optimus vs Primus) [11:40] Hmm...I have Intel wired to internal panel, nvidia wire to DVI-out. It is possible to marshal the nvidia output across to the panel (two X servers) and, from what I understand, it's that kind of trickery that's a bit sucky. [11:43] hello again, back from the dentist === andrew is now known as andyc [11:43] MooDoo: and? [11:43] MooDoo: damage? ;) [11:47] MartijnVdS: all ook :) [11:47] MooDoo: Ook! [11:47] lol typo [11:50] brother just popped round with a little samsung phone he got free with a tablet [11:50] quite nice little handset, much better than the big-ass phablet things [11:52] MooDoo: your the back of a dentist :D [11:52] davmor2: smarty pants :p [12:07] * popey stabs mesa and stuff [12:07] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519389/ [12:07] libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast [12:07] when i load steam it keeps pointing me to https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9938-EYZB-7457 [12:09] and when i try and run games I get a dialog which says "Could not find required OpenGL entry point 'glGetError'! Either your video card is unsupported, or your OpenGL driver needs to be updated" [12:09] * popey tickles directhex ☻ [12:10] popey: hang on I understand stabbing mesa, but what the hell did stuff do to deserve getting stabbed ;) [12:11] it was in the area at the time [12:12] popey: I'm just glad the cats weren't, I'll be keeping my eye on you and ringing the RSPCA the minute I thing they are in danger :D [12:12] whats the best way to get a web page to rotate the pictures that it shows? some javascript malarkey? [12:12] s/thing/think [12:12] i need it for a dashboard display [12:14] foobarry: to be honest dashboards don't make for good displays, windscreens are way better :) On a more serious note can't html5/css cover rotation? [12:15] maybe, i dunno? [12:15] wanna rotate 3 pages or so [12:21] how does one find out what filesystem is on a partition from the command line? [12:21] the mount command [12:21] SuperMatt: one that's already mounted? mount [12:21] Hmmh, Sky Go Tablet released for pretty much all unrooted tablets (excluding Transformer TF101 & Kindle devices) [12:21] it's not mouted [12:21] *mounted [12:22] SuperMatt: otherwise, you could examine the first few bytes of it, I'm sure there's a diagnostic command which does this such as fsck. [12:22] back later, lunchtime [12:23] blkid [12:24] so just blkid /dev/blah? [12:25] https://access.redhat.com/site/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/6/html/Deployment_Guide/s2-sysinfo-filesystems-blkid.html === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [12:28] thanks popeypants [12:43] Ooh, that's a thing I've meant to look up before [12:43] handy [12:51] popey, sounds like a fried 32-bit opengl install [12:58] It's 2013...why is so much stuff still locked into 32bit? [12:58] coz no one knows how to deal with 64bit yet [12:58] give it 10 years :) [12:58] ಠ_ಠ @ MooDoo [12:58] directhex: something specific I can uninstall / reinstall /purge perhaps? [12:58] TwistedLucidity: Because Windows is mostly mixed (lots of 32-bit Win7 installs and XP still out there, it's easier to just provide one 32bit installer) [12:59] popey, which 3d driver? [12:59] nvidia [12:59] 319 [13:00] wow AlanBell I see the pi project is getting well funded :D [13:01] nvidia-319 reinstall? [13:01] tried that [13:01] Oh, and nvidia-219-updates, nvidia-settings-319-updates etc [13:02] it's something else, as directhex suggests, a 32-bit lib or something [13:02] And you are on 64bit? [13:02] yes [13:03] try refreshing libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 [13:03] Force the 32bit install. sudo apt-get install thingy:i386 [13:03] that package contains 2 .so files with "swrast" in the name [13:03] popey, the 64-bit nvidia-319 package includes both 32 and 64-bit libraries. following others' instructions is likely ging to break it harder [13:05] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519622/ [13:05] every 32-bit package I have installed [13:06] booting my desktop, to cross-check again [13:06] st [13:06] popey, run this: "sudo update-alternatives --config i386-linux-gnu_gl_conf" [13:06] * 0 /usr/lib/nvidia-319-updates/alt_ld.so.conf 8602 auto mode 1 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa/ld.so.conf 500 manual mode 2 /usr/lib/nvidia-319-updates/alt_ld.so.conf 8602 manual mode [13:07] oof [13:07] sorry [13:07] hm, so it's set to use nvidia there [13:07] I looked at the sun and now have a big green blob in front of my vision #RareBritishProblems [13:07] dwatkins: stop looking at The Sun then [13:07] MartijnVdS: it just appeared in-between the window blinds [13:07] I'm not used to the sky being clear. [13:08] clear grey [13:08] popey, nothing to lose from just doing an apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-319-updates, to force reinstallation of possibly corrupt files [13:08] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519638/ [13:08] yeah, did that earlier [13:09] when I run steam now, it asks me to install libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 [13:09] if I press ctrl-c, i can open steam and all is fine, but it prompts me to install that every time [13:09] (I removed it) [13:09] does it tell you how (for the non-advanced users), popey? [13:10] popey, ok, permit it. your nvidia package should stop mesa from taking over the opengl library [13:10] ok [13:10] libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 and libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 [13:10] install both of those? [13:10] Suggested packages: libglide3:i386 [13:11] OpenGL GLX context is not using direct rendering, which may cause performance problems. [13:11] For more information visit https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9938-EYZB-7457. [13:11] still getting that popup [13:11] libGL error: failed to load driver: swrast [13:11] libGL error: Try again with LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose for more details. [13:11] all that in the steam startup console [13:11] popey, you installed those packages & restarted steam? [13:11] yes [13:11] tries running steam [13:12] only 210MB of updates :-| [13:12] directhex: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519651/ [13:14] find ~/.local/share/Steam/ -name libGL.so [13:14] er [13:14] find ~/.local/share/Steam/ -name libGL.so\* [13:14] 4 of them [13:14] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519660/ [13:15] * foobarry realises he has a lot of games he never played [13:16] popey, ldd ~/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_32/steam [13:16] no, wait, that's no use [13:16] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519665/ [13:16] which games do you have installed? [13:16] lots [13:18] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519671/ [13:18] can you run ldd on a game binary? e.g. ldd ~/.local/share/Steam/SteamApps/common/Super\ Hexagon/x86/superhexagon.x86 [13:18] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519675/ [13:19] OK, so we see the problem [13:19] now i wonder why it's happening [13:19] libglut and friends? [13:19] cat /etc/ld.so.conf [13:20] include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf [13:20] Valve have joined the Linux Foundation. [13:20] cat /etc/ld.so.conf.d/* [13:20] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6519681/ [13:20] popey, hm. one of those is bad. [13:21] popey, grep mesa /etc/ld.so.conf.d/* [13:22] /etc/ld.so.conf.d/steam.conf:/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/mesa [13:22] /etc/ld.so.conf.d/x86_64-linux-gnu_EGL.conf:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/mesa-egl [13:22] popey, ok, so that steam.conf i have never seen before, is what broke it [13:23] popey, delete that, problem fixed [13:24] do i need to update anything? [13:24] ld something? [13:25] sudo ldconfig [13:25] \o/ [13:25] dpkg -S etc/ld.so.conf.d/steam.conf ? [13:26] i.e. which package created that faulty file? [13:26] I couldn't find the user thing in Windows Server's control panel, and my first thought was "I'll just do it from the command line... oh wait." *sadface* [13:26] nothing found [13:26] thank you directhex, that's been bugging me for ages [13:27] wonder if ye-olde steam beta did it [13:27] popey: you had one of the first betas, right? [13:27] yes [13:27] could be that i followed some guide from steamcommunity to fix it before asking you [13:28] http://steamcommunity.com/app/221410/discussions/1/846939071105489121 looks plausible [13:30] opened Garrysmod to test it, worked fine [13:34] directhex: you have a ps vita? [13:34] popey, i do not. we got a 3ds for xmas though [13:34] ah [13:34] just saw psvita games on your amazon wishlist [13:35] that would be an awkward state to end up in wouldn't it [13:35] indeed [13:41] directhex: i bought my son the 2ds for christmas [13:42] thats a bizarre device === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [13:42] popey: i saw a tae apart video for it, one huge screen... [13:42] take [13:42] yeah [13:42] MooDoo, wife and i have always played the Ace Attorney series together, and AA5 is for 3DS only... [13:43] directhex: I can't watch 3d and my son wouldn't like it [13:43] MooDoo, 3ds vs 2ds is mostly a cost decision. we got a 3ds xl with mario kart 7 for £130 in the amazon sales [13:44] directhex: isn't the 2ds just a 3ds without the 3d and the ability to fold the clamshell? [13:44] mono speaker [13:44] harder to reach controls [13:45] all of the above [13:45] hard to fold a single LCD in half [13:45] heh [13:45] Finally, they are fixing USB http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/4/5173686/usb-type-c-connector-specification-announced \o/ [13:45] No more 4th dimensional plugs. [13:47] right. so when I bitched about usb and said we should move to thunderbolt or similar everyone rounded on me [13:47] and now they're making a new connector (like thunderbolt) which isn't backwards compatible (like thunderbolt) and is reversible (like thunderbolt) its all good [13:48] * Azelphur shrugs [13:48] Well....that's a really annoying bug in Inkscape. If an item has a stroke colour *and* it is really small, Inskscape refuses to print it even though it's clearly visible. You have to remove the stroke colour, which can mess up the diagram. [13:50] * TwistedLucidity buys shares in USB adapter OEMs [13:52] popey, thunderbolt's implementation is zany. the plugs are not 180-degree rotationally symmetrical. a small processor in the plug itself decides how to do the pin-out depending on which way up the plug is [13:53] there is that too [14:01] also the DRM coprocessor in the plug [14:02] also, the super-expensive cables [14:03] (mostly a result of those chips) [14:07] just trying to put php5 on Arch makes me very, very grateful for the debian layout of exploding the apache config in 500 files === stgraber_ is now known as stgraber [14:20] i just crashed steam by clicking that big picture moed [14:20] don't click it, then ;) [14:21] lol [14:22] crash reports are uploaded when you start steam [14:26] visible to user? [14:26] i don't see anything [14:26] its repeatable [14:30] is it complete garbage the idea that headphones need "bedding in"? [14:30] like breaking in a pair of shoes [14:30] foobarry: not that I've heard [14:33] read it in a review, i think its bunk [14:33] also read from a different person that taken the badges off the sennheisers improved the bass :D [14:33] "owever removing the silver senn badges from either side released an absolute beast hiding in them. The bass is punchy, deep (very VERY deep), and nicely shaped and does not take over the stage. The stage is increased by the removal as well. Sadly the the bass is slightly more sibilant at times, but hey it's £16!! I should imagine padding the inside of the badge piece would have a similar effect as removing them, the idea is to stop echoin [14:34] I can't remember the last time I bought a new pair of headphones. [14:35] wifey getting me some cheap sennheisers for xmas [14:35] i need a new pair, only one side of mine works currently [14:35] MooDoo: need a cheap pair? [14:35] I got mine at an airport when I discovered the rubber thingies had gone missing from the pair I was travelling with [14:35] foobarry: i've got some of them now, they are ace [14:35] foobarry: nah! I'll cope with what I have for now :D but thanks :D [14:35] iirc the pair before that were an airport emergency too [14:36] i just need something comfy to block noise from upstairs offices [14:36] i sit below a theatre hall and scrape shuffle plonk ORCHESTRA scuffle scrap clap all day long [14:39] foobarry: Sounds (groan) like you want som noise cancelling headphones [14:39] noise cancellation works best with "regular" (i.e. predictable) noise [14:39] TwistedLucidity: those work best on "regular" noise, like air conditioning units, etc. [14:40]