[08:32] <elfy> knome: hi - trapped a femoral nerve here - lots of pain, going to be away for a while, expiring from -release soon it seems - assuming you've no issue with redoing that neither have I
[08:32] <elfy> reading e-mails from time to time is all I'm doing
[08:33] <Unit193> Ouch.
[09:46] <slickymaster> good morning all
[09:47] <ochosi> morning
[09:47] <ochosi> slickymaster: btw, eric liked the commandline stuff of xfdesktop-docs
[09:48] <slickymaster> morning ochosi 
[09:48] <slickymaster> glad to ear that
[09:48] <ochosi> the summary doesn't seem to be complete yet though, right?
[09:49] <slickymaster> yes, you're right. I'm planning on doing that later on
[09:49] <ochosi> okie
[09:49] <ochosi> just let me know when stuff is ready for review
[09:50] <ochosi> and keep up the good work! )
[09:50] <ochosi> :)
[09:50] <slickymaster> ochosi: tk. I just want to start on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1256910, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1256898 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1256898 also
[09:51] <ochosi> sure, sounds good
[11:45] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: Thanks for getting catfish into debian!
[11:46] <bluesabre> btw, any way we can get python 2 and 3 packages of pexpect-3.0 into debian?  https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pexpect
[11:46] <bluesabre> its the first release with python3 support, so I don't have to do this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/catfish/+bug/1257500
[11:47] <bluesabre> (this also affects mugshot)
[12:03] <brainwash> ochosi: sound indicator is fine now
[13:00] <ochosi> brainwash: cool, good to hear
[13:01] <ochosi> strange, seems with the package from Noskcaj's PPA that race-condition of the sound-indicator not showing it's icon is back :/
[13:04] <ochosi> brainwash: it would be nice if you could write down the issues you found and we could discuss them at the meeting tomorrow (possibly at the wiki-page for gtk3-indicators for trusty)
[13:09] <brainwash> ochosi: only the race condition is still present (invisible sound icon, missing sync icon, fallback nm-applet)
[13:13] <ochosi> i see
[13:14] <ochosi> strange, it must be a build problem, because i didn't have this race condition with the version i compiled manually here
[13:14] <ochosi> probably the libido3 dependency still doesn't work
[15:10] <slickymaster> does anyone knows if there is such a tag like <key></key> that can be used in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests
[16:41] <brainwash> slickymaster: bug 1163886
[16:41] <brainwash> does comment 31/45 fix the issue for you?
[16:44] <slickymaster> brainwash: give a sec and I'll test it
[16:46] <slickymaster> brainwash: it will have to be more than a second :P
[16:46] <brainwash> no need to hurry
[16:47] <brainwash> I cannot access my test system at the moment, so I will test it later too
[16:47] <slickymaster> I have to set up a new Trusty box. I'll download today's image, install it and afterwards I'll test it and tomorrow I'll report you the results
[16:47] <slickymaster> brainwash: thanks for the heads-up
[17:31] <slickymaster> bluesabre: ping
[17:36] <slickymaster> bluesabre: following https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1256910 and because of the existence of https://bugs.launchpad.net/mugshot/+bug/1229205 I have a question for you
[17:40] <slickymaster> bluesabre: what is supposed to happen when the Help button is clicked? Does offline help documentation opens in a dialog window or does the default browser opens at Mugshot online documentation or is the user given a chance to choose between one of the two previous options??
[20:23] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Would you mind checking the three unfixed bugs at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?repeatmerged=no&src=catfish ?
[20:56] <ali1234> Noskcaj: the indicator ppa works now
[20:56] <Noskcaj> ali1234, yay, i didn't break anything
[20:57] <Unit193> < ochosi> strange, seems with the package from Noskcaj's PPA that race-condition of the sound-indicator not showing it's icon is back :/
[20:57] <Noskcaj> works fine for me. Was that before i added libido-dev?
[20:58] <ali1234> unrelated
[21:00] <Unit193> Just had to point it out. :D
[21:08] <Unit193> Noskcaj: Since your libxfce4ui package wasn't much different from Mica's, I went ahead and copied it to here https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/xfce for the xfwm test (I don't like dupes, but easier than adding several repos)
[21:09] <ochosi> yeah, not sure why i have that race condition here :/
[21:09] <ochosi> i'll reinstall everything
[21:09] <ali1234> what's the xfwm test?
[21:09] <ochosi> atm it's still a bit of a mix
[21:09] <ochosi> bbl
[21:10] <Unit193> ali1234: Tabwin, themeable alt+tab, works best with a branch of greybird but functional otherwise as well.
[21:10] <Noskcaj> this would all be a lot easier if we bribed corsac to upload the xfce 4.11 stuff to experimental
[21:20] <stefcc> hey Nosk xfce 4.11 is expected when approximately  =)
[21:24] <Unit193> If you're asking when Xfce 4.11 will be released, it is being somewhat slowly now, but those a development releases, 4.12 is the next actual release.
[21:25] <Noskcaj> stefcc, Bits of 4.11 are out, it's not a proper release. We're waiting for debian to upload them, but they need more people to help with bug triage
[21:25] <slickymaster> good night all
[21:26] <Unit193> Howdy, slick. ;)
[21:27] <slickymaster> hi there, Unit193
[21:27] <stefcc> thanks Nosk , good night slicky ;p 
[21:28] <slickymaster> Unit193, still no news on the Launchpad automatic translations front?
[21:28] <slickymaster> hi stefcc. night
[21:28] <Unit193> slickymaster: I have no idea.  I haven't seen any updates when pulling from bzr, but that's all I know.
[21:29] <Unit193> I'm English (and Gibberish) only, so translations aren't something I know much about.
[21:30] <slickymaster> Unit193, :P the reason I asked is because http://sigma.unit193.net/xubuntu/pt/ is still in the same state, translation wise
[21:32] <Unit193> Understandable.  I just checked: No revisions or tags to pull.
[21:32] <slickymaster> we'll have to poke knome on the issue
[21:33] <Unit193> Yeah, since it says pt is 100%, and I can read a little bit of that? :P
[21:34] <slickymaster> D
[21:34] <slickymaster> :D
[21:41] <slickymaster> Noskcaj, ping
[21:45] <ochosi> ali1234: sorry i haven't been able to send you my panel-config yet, how do you want it, email, pastebin?
[21:45] <ochosi> also, have you included the xubuntu-default setup yet?
[21:45] <ochosi> that would be one more preset from my pov
[21:45] <ali1234> i don't have a system with the default setup
[21:45] <ali1234> first thing i do is delete it
[21:46] <ochosi> :)
[21:46] <ochosi> well, it's still on launchpad
[21:46] <ochosi> lemme go and fetch it
[21:48] <Unit193> It's normally also in /etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/
[21:48] <ochosi> yeah, that's where i was looking, but my connection is so lame
[21:48] <ochosi> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/raring/files/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/panel/
[21:49] <ochosi> ali1234: this is raring ^ but it's still at the same rev as trunk
[21:49] <ochosi> so it's fine
[21:52] <ali1234> right
[21:52] <ali1234> i'm going to fix the damn indicator-sound-gtk2
[21:52] <ali1234> then i'm going to get it SRU'd
[21:53] <ali1234> then we're never going to ship that piece of *&^*^% ever again, right?
[21:54] <ali1234> i bet the fix is a 1 liner as well
[21:54] <ochosi> we should somehow set up bug-bounty stuff
[21:54] <ochosi> or at least that's what i wonder about sometimes
[21:55] <ali1234> did someone test the raring versions?
[21:56] <ochosi> of what? gtk3-indicators?
[21:56] <ochosi> or of the indicator-gtk2 packages
[21:56] <ali1234> indicator-sound and indicator-sound-gtk2
[21:56] <ochosi> if you mean the latter i didn't
[21:56] <ali1234> the reason it doesn't work is because those two packages are no longer compatible
[21:57] <ochosi> yeah, so they didn't drag along the gtk2 version with some changes
[21:57] <ochosi> that's as far as i remember when we last discussed this
[21:57] <ali1234> but i know how lazy those guys are... the change is probably tiny
[21:58] <ochosi> :>
[21:59] <ochosi> i thought the changes were big, but tbh i never checked
[22:00] <ochosi> wow, the config.txt file panel-switch creates is quite compressed :)
[22:00] <ali1234> it is if you ask for bz2
[22:01] <ochosi> righty
[22:01] <ochosi> that worked almost perfectly
[22:01] <ochosi> only the whiskermenu config was lost for some reason
[22:01] <ali1234> then it does not store it's configuration inside the panel config
[22:01] <ochosi> hmm, why not...
[22:01] <ochosi> gottcode: hey there! :)
[22:01] <ali1234> i dunno... maybe because it sucks :)
[22:02] <gottcode> ochosi: yo :)
[22:02] <ochosi> gottcode: i was wondering why whiskermenu doesn't store it's config in the xfce4-panel config? (and ignore that rude statement there ;))
[22:02] <ali1234> all plugins are supposed to store config inside the panel /plugins/ stuff, so that you can have more than one with different configs
[22:03] <gottcode> it uses the rc file path given to it by the panel
[22:03] <ochosi> gottcode: ali1234 wrote a nice python tool to backup panel-config and restore it (and load presets), so i noticed that whiskermenu uses an rc file
[22:03] <ali1234> the tricky thing though, is that if the config is stored outside the panel config, then it shouldn't be lost
[22:03] <ochosi> hmm
[22:03] <ochosi> true that
[22:03] <ali1234> because it wouldn't have been touched
[22:03] <ali1234> pastebin your config.txt please
[22:04] <ochosi> one sec
[22:04] <ali1234> did you try to restore on a different computer?
[22:04] <ochosi> http://dpaste.com/1493056/
[22:04] <ochosi> i only have this one here...
[22:04] <ochosi> i temporarily moved abroad, so i'm kinda low on resources atm
[22:04] <ali1234> ok so that stored nothing except that plugin-9 is a whiskermenu
[22:05] <ochosi> yup
[22:05] <ali1234> then it doesn't make any sense why the config would disappear
[22:05] <ochosi> gottcode: just out of curiosity, why are the categories on the right in whiskermenu? (coming from the xfce appmenu i'd have expected them on the left)
[22:06] <gottcode> ochosi: the intent was to make it easier to get to the favorites
[22:06] <ochosi> ali1234: hm, i have several whiskermenu rc files here, i'll clean that up (although there is a -9)
[22:06] <Unit193> ali1234: I've been using older versions, yes.  Raring and or precise.
[22:07] <ali1234> Unit193: any idea what the upstream source for -gtk2 is?
[22:07] <ochosi> gottcode: you mean the apps are closer to the mouse-cursor when you open the menu?
[22:07] <ali1234> ochosi: it should still be plugin-9 before and after, so the config should not get lost
[22:07] <gottcode> ochosi: yup
[22:08] <ochosi> ali1234: yeah, but probably it loads the first whiskermenu.rc file it can find, and not whiskermenu-9.rc
[22:08] <ochosi> gottcode: very clever!
[22:08] <ali1234> that makes no sense... but if true, it's a bug
[22:09] <ochosi> ali1234: well for now i don't have a good explanation, but i'll test with cleaning up the rc files and report back
[22:09] <gottcode> ochosi: thanks :)
[22:09] <ochosi> gottcode: i really like whiskermenu i have to say, also the fact that it opens so speedily and everything, great work on that!
[22:10] <Unit193> ali1234: Not really, the package source was s/-gtk2//
[22:10] <gottcode> ochosi: :)
[22:10] <ali1234> Unit193: not on saucy
[22:10] <ali1234> this makes no sense
[22:10] <ochosi> gottcode: fwiw, we're having a community meeting tomorrow and it's possible that whiskermenu will come up (i proposed to replace the traditional menu with it), so if you have time to hang out here that'd be great
[22:10] <ali1234> i don't understand how one is derived from the other
[22:10] <Unit193> http://paste.debian.net/69414/
[22:10] <gottcode> ochosi: cool, what time?
[22:11] <ochosi> gottcode: lemme check, iirc it was 20UTC but i'm not sure now...
[22:11] <ochosi> 19 UTC
[22:11] <ali1234> Unit193: that is indicator-messages
[22:12] <Unit193> Package: indicator-messages-gtk2
[22:12] <gottcode> ochosi: I should be around for that
[22:12] <ochosi> gottcode: sweet!
[22:12] <ochosi> brb
[22:12] <ali1234> Unit193: yes, indicator-messages-gtk2
[22:14] <Unit193> Exactly, that's what I pasted.  You can see at the top Package: and Source:
[22:14] <ali1234> yes
[22:14] <ali1234> indicator-MESSAGES-gtk2 != indicator-sound-gtk2
[22:14] <ali1234> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/indicator-sound-gtk2
[22:14] <ali1234> source package is indicator-sound-gtk2
[22:15] <ali1234> in saucy
[22:15] <Unit193> http://paste.debian.net/69415/ right.
[22:16] <Unit193> (That's all the information I have on that.)
[22:16] <ochosi> gottcode: btw, do you have more plans with whiskermenu? to me it seems pretty complete
[22:17] <gottcode> ochosi: not a whole lot more, just what is in the github issues really
[22:17] <ochosi> gottcode: ah, lemme check those then..
[22:18] <ochosi> gottcode: oops, issue #44 sounds like what i just asked... :p
[22:19] <gottcode> ochosi: no worries, I've gotten asked that a couple of times in email already today :)
[22:19] <ochosi> hehe, even a bit more sorry then
[22:19] <Unit193> Um, why are indicator-sound's deps silly?
[22:20] <gottcode> ochosi: it's like bugzilla voting, lets me know it is a popular request :p
[22:21] <ochosi> gottcode: i just remembered i submitted the resize-grip issue
[22:21] <ochosi> gottcode: i'm starting to wonder whether the visual representation is really needed
[22:22] <ochosi> you mentioned that one reason you draw the rectangle yourself is that the theme might not show resize-grips
[22:22] <gottcode> ochosi: just have a blank corner that can be dragged, like kickoff?
[22:22] <ochosi> how should the user then know what that triangle means?
[22:22] <gottcode> that's true
[22:22] <ochosi> i mean the triangle somewhat says "touch me"
[22:23] <ochosi> on the other hand, i think it's up to themers to support resize-grips
[22:23] <gottcode> but if your theme doesn't draw a triangle, or draws nothing at all...
[22:23] <ochosi> unless you intentionally disable it, it should be drawn in every engine i know
[22:23] <ochosi> yeah, i'd consider that a bug in the theme though
[22:23] <ochosi> i mean i see your point of better being safe, but in a way your taking responsibility for what isn't 100% yours
[22:24] <gottcode> true
[22:24] <gottcode> and I have seen users who think the menu can't be resized even with the triangle there
[22:25] <ali1234> i patched gtk to never draw resize grips
[22:25] <ochosi> so if a theme just replaces the resize-grip intentionally with a 1px blank pixmap, the functionality of the widget is also borked, right?
[22:25] <ali1234> even if the theme requests them
[22:25] <ali1234> they are completely dumb
[22:25] <ali1234> and they mess up many programs
[22:26] <ochosi> ali1234: sounds like the opposity of the patch ubuntu did back in the day (after which we had resize grips in xfdesktop etc etc :D
[22:26] <ali1234> yes
[22:26] <ali1234> that's why i did it
[22:32] <ochosi> ali1234: i know now why the whiskermenu-config was lost
[22:33] <ochosi> to try whether your app really restores all my panels, i removed one of them (containing whiskermenu)
[22:33] <ochosi> doing that, the rc-file was deleted by the panel
[22:33] <ochosi> so while your app restored the panel-config just fine, the rc-file was obviously lost
[22:34] <ochosi> so your app works fine
[22:36] <ochosi> you might wanna fix your config though: http://dpaste.com/1493097/
[22:37] <ali1234> no that's because it doesn't make the directories
[22:38] <ali1234> i'llfix it
[22:38] <ochosi> ah
[22:38] <ochosi> right, i thought the desktop-file wasn't in the tarball or something (hadn't checked)
[22:39] <ochosi> btw, a fallback-option for when loading fails would be nice
[22:39] <ochosi> or, it would be nice if it could be "tested" whether loading would fail
[22:40] <ochosi> but being able to save and restore panel configs is really convenient, great work on that1
[22:40] <ochosi> s/1/!/
[23:13] <bluesabre> slickymaster: Clicking the Help button should open up yelp/ghelp:mugshot
[23:14] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: re those bugs...
[23:15] <slickymaster> bluesabre, hmm... so it will use the browser to open that page, right?
[23:16] <bluesabre> slickymaster: it should open yelp
[23:16] <slickymaster> bluesabre, ok, thanks
[23:16] <bluesabre> but thats one of the things I'm going to discard for the next release, yelp is like a bad word around here sometimes :)
[23:16] <ochosi> hehe
[23:18] <slickymaster> yeah, but i'll have to include it in the testcase or do you planning on having the next release available for trusty?
[23:18] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: I'll look into each of them, probably good info from each
[23:18] <bluesabre> slickymaster: I've gotta work on all of that, some core changes needed to get it into debian
[23:18] <bluesabre> and its gotta hit debian before we'll accept it in xubuntu
[23:19] <slickymaster> bluesabre, I'll include the reference to yelp, then
[23:19] <bluesabre> k
[23:19] <slickymaster> it's something that can be changed any time we want to, anyhow 
[23:19] <slickymaster> bluesabre, tks
[23:37] <ochosi> gottcode: re: issue #43, that's perfect! why shouldn't the user change those icons via the icon-theme?
[23:39] <gottcode> ochosi: the icons are the standard icons, so if they want to use the settings action to perform a shutdown they would need to change it globally
[23:40] <ochosi> yeah, and to be frank, using a settings icon for shutdown is weird :p
[23:40] <gottcode> plus the tooltip text would say "All Settings" :p
[23:40] <ochosi> the standard icons are really fine imo, theoretically ppl can even just override those icons if they know how to do icon-themes (override them via a custom icon-theme in ~/.icons)
[23:40] <ochosi> hehe
[23:41] <gottcode> true
[23:42] <ala1234> should i use ppa:gottcode/gcppa?
[23:42] <slickymaster> I'm off. cy tomorrow guys
[23:49] <ochosi> gottcode: hmm, why is the file-open icon in your screenshot fuzzy...
[23:50] <ochosi> just checked and the icon should be there in elementary-xfce in 22px
[23:51] <gottcode> ochosi: probably because I didn't force the icon to be any specific size
[23:51] <ochosi> hmm, it should work either way because the icon is png
[23:52] <ochosi> or are you using the icons from git (hence in svg)?
[23:52] <gottcode> from git
[23:52] <ochosi> aah
[23:52] <ochosi> ok :)
[23:52] <ochosi> in that case fuzzy is ok
[23:52] <ochosi> you can use the daily PPA if you want
[23:53] <ochosi> then you get the png theme
[23:53] <ochosi> which is faster and sharper
[23:53] <gottcode> tricky to do, I'm an Archer :p
[23:53] <ochosi> hehe, i see
[23:53] <ochosi> in that case you'd have to run the pngscript locally
[23:54] <gottcode> could suggest that as an update to the AUR packaging
[23:55] <ochosi> yeah
[23:55] <ochosi> fwiw, did you know you can alt-right-click-drag whiskermenu after opening it to resize it?
[23:55] <ochosi> but only before clicking something
[23:56] <ochosi> seems xfwm4 only gives up control over it after it gets focus
[23:56] <gottcode> ha! that's pretty funny
[23:56] <gottcode> I can still drag it even after interacting with it
[23:57] <ochosi> ali1234: yeah, that ppa is fine (ppa:gottcode/gcppa)
[23:59] <ali1234> ochosi: i pushed a fix for the directory creation