[00:22] hi, is Kubuntu using pulseaudio ??? [00:34] Saluton kubuntu! === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler === thomas is now known as Guest90604 === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off === frogonwheels_ is now known as frogonwheels === kubuntu is now known as Guest50080 === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off === cracken is now known as zombiesdev === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off === kubuntu is now known as Guest3154 === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler [07:21] Good morning. [08:13] good morning [08:31] hey. [08:34] what's up? [08:56] hi every1 [08:56] how can I purge all gnome packages in order to install kde-desktop? [08:57] you need not purge anything to install the kde-desktop, if you don't want to [08:57] yes I know... [08:57] !purekde [08:57] If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde » [08:57] but I would like to remove gnome for space puroposes [08:57] ok [08:58] note the versions ^ [08:58] are those for 13.10? [08:58] I think thery are a bit outdated :( [09:13] Hi all. I have a rather stupid question today: How can I force apps that I ran by 'kdesudo ...' to have same look as if I ran them as normal user? [09:15] skramer_: You could set the desktop theme for root I suppose [09:16] assuming they are qt applications [09:16] Ok. So I should do 'kdesudo systemsttings' and then select same them for window decoration, etc.? [09:17] Gtk apps will look bit different, anyway. But that´s no problem :) [09:17] skramer_: it's rather dangerous to run stuff as root [09:21] valorie: I´m quite aware that no program should not be run as root normally. Still, sometimes I need to edit some file in /etc. So 'kdesudo kate file' should make me able editing the file, but I want to have kate looking same as if I ran it as my normal user... [09:21] ok, as long as you are aware [09:21] :) === albhert is now known as glasz_ === albhert is now known as glasz_ === kubuntu is now known as Guest80498 === gilbert is now known as goodtime === tenshi is now known as apollo === apollo is now known as tenshi === tenshi is now known as shintenshin === jean is now known as Guest68583 === Guest68583 is now known as visserman [11:52] re === serj is now known as normalhuman [12:44] sup guys [12:44] when I log in with my user [12:44] the screen goes black === ghostcube__ is now known as ghostcube [12:44] any ideas? :( [12:46] what you using taduro__ 13.**? [12:48] taduro__: did it work?, what made it stop working?, did you upgrade?, ect [12:48] 13.10 monkeyjuice [12:49] monkeyjuice: nothing, I was in class, I switched off my computer [12:49] and when I arrived at home.. [12:49] surprise [12:56] been looking for help online taduro__ there are a few bugs it seems , hoping someone else will jump in and help you with this.. [12:57] ok thank you very much monkeyjuice [13:04] hi all [13:06] how do I stop networkmanager or restart it? service network-manager stop does it not [13:08] /etc/init.d/networking stop Error: calling a sysvinit script.... blablabla [13:15] no one any idea? [13:18] Linusnewb: no, sorry :/ [13:23] taduro__ I think I have a plasma-nm tool in 13.10 kubuntu but what applet it is using I don't now gnome utils or kde something in xorg or whatever [13:24] Linusnewb: service networking restart (name changed) [13:26] is there any way to look what is the new name on console [13:30] hayy all how are you....? [13:34] Hi all === kubuntu is now known as Guest22922 [14:19] If I do $ startx > log.txt ← That will save what startx says? because I can log with other accounts (rigth now I'm using that other account) but with my account, when I try to log in, it shows up the kdm(?) splash screen like "loading" but woah, the screen goes entirely black. I tried with another tty, login in with my account and then startx, but it does the same, when it arrives to the "plasma loading screen", the screen goes black === kubuntu is now known as Guest22406 [15:08] yay muon is again forgetting how to work [15:35] hello [15:37] Taduro: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ... as for the logs you can find the regular log at ~/.cache/upstart/startkde.log [15:37] apachelogger: hello! But I'm right now using plasma with another user [15:37] You want me to install kubuntu-desktop with my normal account? [15:37] when i start KGPG, it shows the Name in the bar at the bottom of the screen, for a few seconds, than it dissapears. The program never starts. When i start it from console, i get twice "QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave." [15:37] Taduro: sudo apt-get purge kubuntu-settings-active [15:38] Bundestrojaner: are you sure it's not simply hiding in the systray? === haxxpop is now known as Guest79773 [15:41] apachelogger: you're right, thx! I didn't know it stays in tray. and the error message in Konsole confirmed me... === Guest79773 is now known as haxxpop [15:43] Bundestrojaner: FWIW, I think it should open the window when started manually regardless of whether it is in the tray alraedy; you may want to file a bug at bugs.kde.org [15:44] apachelogger: can you explain it again, please? [15:46] oh wait, that makes even less sense [15:46] Taduro: best get that startkde.log [15:46] something must be incorrectly configured such that your plasma-desktop doesn't come up [15:47] Good afternoon. [15:56] apachelogger: I sent you the paste [16:04] i was planning on installing Kubuntu for development on windows using Virtual Machine ... i visited a link . Can anyone tell me if it is appropriate ? http://www.artiss.co.uk/2009/01/running-kubuntu-under-virtualbox === freeflying is now known as freeflying_away [16:16] apachelogger: there are more logs? [16:17] lordievader, I burned the daily image to dvd yesterday , is that new enough to contain the latest kernel.? [16:19] BluesKaj: Does the live-env work? uname -a to check. [16:20] lordievader, 3.12.0-5-generic [16:21] used the live dvd to install in vmware [16:21] BluesKaj: That is a quite recent kernel. [16:22] BluesKaj: Is also what run on this updated install of Trusty. [16:22] BluesKaj: But the live env works? [16:22] The graphics I mean? [16:22] Taduro: unregistered nicks cannot query me :P [16:22] oh [16:23] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6525345/ [16:25] hm [16:26] Taduro: mv ~/.kde/share/config/ksmserver ~ [16:26] then try to log in [16:27] apachelogger: I ahve to leave, I'll come here in a moment! [16:28] lordievader, no live dvd diesn't work by itself , but works fine in vmwareplayer [16:28] anyone know what to do about muon? "this operation could not continue proper wauthorization was not provided" [16:30] polkit is isntalled, im not using a remote session. im guessing its a dbus issue? [16:31] BluesKaj: Ahh, so it really is the hardware.. You cannot get into a tty on the actual machine (not a vm)? [16:31] really hard to say [16:31] Whiskey`Wonka: tried a restart? [16:31] apachelogger: i know a restart will fix it but this isnt friggen windows [16:31] id a solution not a bandaid [16:31] like* [16:32] well [16:32] oh actually [16:32] Whiskey`Wonka: is qaptworker running? [16:32] lordievader, no tty available [16:32] ill look [16:33] oot 18018 0.0 0.0 254884 7208 ? Sl 06:50 0:00 /usr/bin/qaptworker2 [16:34] Whiskey`Wonka: cd ~; sudo gdb -p `pidof qaptworker2` .... once you get a prompt type ... set logging on ... and after that ... thread apply all bt ... and after that .... set logging off ... and after that quit [16:35] lordievader, I also tried 13.10, same result [16:35] Whiskey`Wonka: after that you should find a file called gdb.txt in your home, please paste the content [16:35] Whiskey`Wonka: and then you can run `sudo killall qaptworker2` and see if that makes muon work again [16:36] Inferior 1 [process 18018] will be detached. [16:36] that ok? [16:36] yeah [16:37] mmm, must have done something wrong, no gdb.txt [16:37] Whiskey`Wonka: can you paste the output of the terminal session? [16:39] http://pastebin.com/tfGXGMCE [16:39] should i still restart qaptworker2? [16:39] you forgot set logging on xD [16:39] Whiskey`Wonka: yeah [16:40] i sware i typed it lol [16:40] only logging off [16:40] anyway, the backtrace is not useful [16:40] =( [16:40] worth a try [16:41] well, if it fixes the issue it's still only a workaround but I have the strong feeling that qaptworker2 gets stuck and consequently the authentication fails [16:41] however it's nigh impossible to find out why it gets stuck [16:42] thats fun [16:43] damn this thing is running like crap now [16:43] and its still not asking for perms [16:43] Whiskey`Wonka: killall polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 [16:44] start it again via `/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1` [16:44] does that help? [16:44] ah! there is no polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 running [16:44] only polkit listed is root 944 0.0 0.0 272308 4280 ? Sl Dec03 0:01 /usr/lib/policykit-1/polkitd --no-debug [16:45] that would explain it then [16:45] curious that it would explode [16:45] or maybe it was not started [16:45] not sure why it wouldnt start, it handles the wallet too doesnt it? [16:46] or i should ask, what handled kde wallet and the new wifi manager keys ? [16:46] wallet is independent of polkit [16:46] polkit expands permissions beyond the user settings [16:47] the wallet is user specific though [16:47] http://pastebin.com/b4PTm8NF [16:47] unamed app is funny xD [16:47] Whiskey`Wonka: does it work now? [16:48] apachelogger: I'm back, do you know how to get the message from the konsole in english? for the errore message I'm getting.. [16:48] ill try but it looks like /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1 did not run [16:48] Taduro: LANG=C before the command you want to have in english [16:48] e.g. LANG=C kde4-config --help [16:49] apachelogger: awesome [16:49] apachelogger: mv: cannot stat '/home/soul/.kde/share/config/ksmserver': No such file or directory [16:49] ohm [16:50] Still no password dialog for muon updater (and likely not for muon) [16:50] holy crap its 9 already =\ [16:50] Taduro: ls -l ~/.kde/share/config |grep "^d" [16:50] and still -5 outside, screw working [16:51] ^^ [16:52] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6525589/ [16:52] lucky for me its a light load today and I can wait till later [16:52] Whiskey`Wonka: maybe try `dbus-monitor` and in another terminal `dbus-monitor --system` and then try to get authorization [16:52] however I find it unlikely that this will yield any information [16:52] Taduro: mv ~/.kde/share/config/session ~ [16:53] then try to login [16:53] dbus-monitor Failed to open connection to session bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken. [16:53] that was su, should i run as my user? [16:53] yeah, your user [16:54] LOTS of info but no idea what it all means [16:55] signal sender=:1.152 -> dest=(null destination) serial=48 path=/org/kubuntu/qaptworker/transaction2450b95d1c294f2a9853667382533c94; interface=org.kubuntu.qaptworker2.transaction; member=propertyChanged [16:55] ah, yeah, restart them, and try to do as little as possible between starting the application and trying to get authorization, then immediately after the error ctrl-c the monitors again [16:55] and paste all the output [16:56] oh boy [16:56] that mens shuttign down lots of apps, mmm [16:56] Whiskey`Wonka: nah [16:56] Whiskey`Wonka: just don't go into them [16:56] they shouldn't create much output while idle [16:57] but as soon as you switch into an application a wall of spew appears :P [16:58] hmmm [16:58] ok so should i have muon updater running already? cause launching it spews [16:59] apachelogger: I have to reboot? because i get the same [16:59] but i only get 1 shot at trying for the password, after it, it doesnt give the error, it just doesnt do anything [16:59] Taduro: new log please [17:00] (I am just guessing here :P) [17:00] Taduro: oh, actually ... run `echo "DisableAll=false" >> ~/.kde/share/config/kdebugrc` and try to log in again [17:01] that should create a more verbose log [17:01] Whiskey`Wonka: oh, so you get a password dialog? [17:01] no [17:01] Whiskey`Wonka: update can be running already [17:01] when i press 'install updates' it churns for a sec thn goes directly to the error [17:01] authorization is requested on-demand [17:02] ok [17:02] and once i do THAT, it doesnt error till i restart updater [17:03] Whiskey`Wonka: huh [17:03] Whiskey`Wonka: if you start updater, then the monitors, and then try to install the updates it doesn't error at all? [17:03] yes [17:03] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6525638/ [17:07] http://pastebin.com/6QYV2Jct [17:08] http://pastebin.com/Mr0HKzyg [17:08] Taduro: all those errors from psi do not make me very confident [17:08] thats dbus-monitor and --system respectivly [17:08] Taduro: have you manually put psi and quassel on autostart? [17:08] hmmm, manually I don't remember but they start automatically always, apachelogger . === Steakanbake|slee is now known as Steakanbake [17:09] Taduro: check ~/.config/autostart ~/.kde/share/autostart [17:09] Taduro: if there's stuff in there move it out and try a log in again [17:10] ok apachelogger === Steakanbake is now known as Steakanbake|slee === Steakanbake|slee is now known as Steakanbake [17:11] Whiskey`Wonka: yeah, no viable information [17:11] seams to be the story of the day [17:13] it's just really bad stuff to debug as the entire process so utterly opaque it makes you wanna cry [17:14] yes it is [17:14] apachelogger: I think I have to reboot because now I get the same I thing? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6525683/ [17:14] i do networking tech support over the phone, its highly anoying [17:14] ehm [17:15] Taduro: you did all that stuff in the user with the broken plasma, right? [17:15] im infectious! [17:15] xD [17:15] ill hold of rebooting for a while if you have any ideas [17:16] apachelogger: yes, at my home (my user is Soul but I don't use the same nick because is taken) [17:16] its up to 4F, yay [17:16] Taduro: then that log is impossible to happen [17:17] but I didn't rebooted [17:17] I'm doing it in the.. [17:17] you don't need to [17:17] tty6 [17:17] the session folder you moved prevents a previous session containing psi/quassel to be started again and if you moved all files out the autostart folders psi/quassel also should not be automatically started [17:17] makes no sense [17:18] Taduro: grep -r psi ~/.kde [17:19] oooooooooo my goooood what iss thiiiiiiis [17:19] lol [17:19] haha [17:19] lol? [17:19] Whiskey`Wonka: so... you could try to find someone in #kde-devel who knows a thing or two about polkit to help you debug this, but short of that I'd simply reboot [17:20] it certainly would help a bunch if we could find a way to trigger the issue reliably, but so far that wasn't the case :S [17:21] apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6525708/ [17:21] I think the problem is not with psi :S [17:21] :O [17:22] Taduro: if you get the black screen and hit alt-f2 does an input field appear? [17:22] although that would be odd [17:22] no [17:22] because [17:22] I can't log in [17:22] the black screen appears when kde is starting [17:22] right [17:22] do you know when the HDD image appears? [17:22] but you don't get thrown back to the logion screen, right? [17:22] nope [17:23] it's like [17:23] ok, so try hitting alt-f2 on that black screen :P [17:24] apachelogger: bnitg [17:24] bnothung [17:24] nothing* [17:24] brrr [17:24] Taduro: mv ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* ~ [17:28] i haven't anything find about a renamed service as networking or networkmanager :( [17:28] ? === Steakanbake is now known as Steakanbake|slee === Steakanbake|slee is now known as Steakanbake [17:38] hello, i run into problems with transsmison and in my case transsmision wont download torrents, have anyone any idea what can i do wrong? [17:40] Hi guys === hackndoes is now known as Guest80451 [17:41] how do I prevent nouveau from loading? I added a blacklist file with 'blacklist nouveau' and 'options nouveau modset=0' but it doesn't help [17:42] for some reason it's still loaded [17:43] Guest80451 is me [17:44] do I also need to un install the nouveau driver from the system? [17:44] I wan't to install the official nvidia driver from nvidia site [17:49] hackndoes_, nvidia? [17:49] apachelogger: I rebooted and nothing, it has no sense.... I'll try to do a backup and then reinstall.. [17:50] hackndoes_, I don't think you need to go to all that trouble... do the existing drivers work? do you have a gui? [17:51] dougl: yes nvidia [17:52] dougl: I don't like the nouveau [17:52] it's too slow [17:53] Taduro: reinstall sounds like too much... something in your users $HOME is creating the issue [17:53] hackndoes_, but you have a gui? [17:53] Taduro: you could try mv .kde kde (i.e. resetting your kde settings) [17:53] dougl: now I do yes [17:54] dougl: but with nouveau [17:54] Taduro: if that does not help it already reduces the amount of places where the bad boy could be hiding... if it does work then you just need to move .kde/share/config/ files around until login starts working [17:54] apachelogger: that sounds nice [17:55] hackndoes_, go on the k menu button and when search for "jockey-kde" and run that and it will install the drivers you want. [17:56] noe I want the official nvidia. many users say that the offical nvidia drivers work much better for them [17:57] hackndoes_, apparently there is a bug where the additional drivers application wrongly reports the nvidi... jockey-kde will install the official nvidia drivers [17:57] dougl: what? [17:58] someone correct me if I am wrong "jockey-kde will install the official nvidia drivers" [17:58] dougl: I can't find a jockey-kde application in kde menu [17:59] dougl: is jocky-kde and the additional drivers the same? [17:59] when I ran jocky-kde it laumched the additional drivers application [18:00] hackndoes_, I was saying after you use the jockey-kde (additional drivers) the nvidia official drivers will be installed and used but the application "jockey-kde" that I told you to "SEARCH" for will find additional drivers and when you run that the second time it will say the official drivers are installed but not in use... [18:01] that is a bug... you know nvidia drivers are being used because when you boot and kde starts you briefly see the official nvidia splash screen. [18:01] dougl: but the official nvidia driver is a more advanced version [18:01] so I can't disable the nouveau from loading? [18:01] sure - I use them too. and installed them as per the instruction I just gave you. [18:02] so you didn't install the NVIDIA.run file from the official site? [18:04] no, I used jockey-kde which finds additional drivers app and that plays nicer with kubuntu... honest I did it 4 times since oct 28... [18:04] I have a video of my machine booting and shutting down - wanna see it? [18:05] should be able to make out the nvidia splash... poor quality but I wanted to catch grub and plymouth splash screens too. [18:05] dougl: I know what the nvidia spalsh look like. [18:05] apachelogger: Please, don't forget me If i keep with this issue haha [18:06] just wanted to install the official latest from the site, people say that it works much better for them [18:06] lol - I knew you would... my point is that proves nvidia drivers are loaded and being used [18:06] so I wanted to try [18:06] ohhhhhhhhhhhhh :) [18:06] well I will install from repo now. you say it will load nvidia? so in lsmod | grep nvidia I will see it? [18:06] jockey-kde will download the latest stable [18:07] yes [18:07] lsmod [18:07] dougl: well I am restarting wish me luck [18:07] apachelogger: it worked!!!!!1 marry me!! [18:08] true love !!! right on! [18:09] linux love [18:09] Taduro: groovy [18:10] So... does jockey-kde get the latest drivers or am I mistaken? [18:11] <18WAE89NC> dougl: I think you are mistaken [18:12] <18WAE89NC> I think it just brings the version it manages for each distro (304 is always there and another newer one which you choose if you want [18:12] 319 I tho [18:12] t [18:12] <18WAE89NC> dougl: currently it's 319.60 [18:12] sec checking mine [18:13] <18WAE89NC> dougl: anyway it didn't succeed, after install I still have the nouveau loaded!!!! it drives me crazy it used to work perfactly [18:13] 18WAE89NC, sec... [18:13] <18WAE89NC> dougl: it's me hackndoes [18:14] 18WAE89NC, figered... but yes what I described to you I did on mine and version 319.32 was installed [18:15] and that is what you want right 319.32? [18:15] <18WAE89NC> dougl: you have two 319 versions the 32 and the 60 [18:15] sec I will check [18:15] <18WAE89NC> I want 331 which is on the site but I would sattle for the 60 or 32 but that doesn't work as well [18:15] <18WAE89NC> for some reason it doens't get loaded. [18:15] <18WAE89NC> should I uninstall the nouveau? [18:16] 18WAE89NC, still checking - what video card do you have? [18:16] <18WAE89NC> it's a lapto it's the nvidia nvs-4200 or something like that [18:16] <18WAE89NC> lemme check exactly [18:17] <18WAE89NC> dougl: GF119M NVS 4200M [18:17] <18WAE89NC> but it used to work before. now it just keeps the nouveau there [18:17] and no jockey-kde only installed 319.32 on my end [18:18] <18WAE89NC> dougl: well what am I to do? should I remove the nouveau? [18:18] no you should not have to un install the nouveau drivers jockey-kde will config the nvidia drivers to load... [18:19] <18WAE89NC> well it doesn't [18:19] when you ran the additional drivers did it ask you for a password and everything? [18:19] <18WAE89NC> yes [18:19] <18WAE89NC> and finished successfully and required restart so I restarted. [18:20] <18WAE89NC> something doens't let it boot with the nvidia driver [18:20] <18WAE89NC> it used to work before [18:20] what doe additional drivers say now? [18:25] <18WAE89NC> dougl: it says it's activated but not currently in use [18:25] 18WAE89NC, when you run "nvidia-settings" from a command line in a window do you get the propietary nvidia config app window [18:25] 18WAE89NC, but did you see the nvidia splash or verify - is saying it is not activated is a bug [18:26] <18WAE89NC> I don't see it and in lsmod I see the nouveau [18:26] nvidia-settings is where you can see it say what driver is being used... please run nvidia-settings [18:26] <18WAE89NC> the propriatary nvidia config opens but it thrown an error on open and opens a very limitted window [18:27] <18WAE89NC> it says this, You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver. Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server. [18:27] ok... back in additional drivers select 319 drivers and select activate [18:27] <18WAE89NC> dougl: but it's activated [18:28] <18WAE89NC> it's green and activated, just saying it's not currently in use [18:29] yeah - mine says that and when I asked about it they said it was a bug and to ignore it. [18:30] is it possible to install 2 versions of a programm parallel on Kubuntu? [18:31] Bundestrojaner, easy answer no... if you compile your own yes [18:32] 18WAE89NC, I don't understand... does that notebook have 2 video cards...? [18:32] and is it possible to ignoring dependencies? [18:32] ignore [18:32] Bundestrojaner, investigate force option [18:33] thx [18:33] <18WAE89NC> yes [18:33] <18WAE89NC> it has intel and nvidia [18:33] Bundestrojaner, if you do what I suggest there is a good chance you will break your system [18:34] the intel is messing things up [18:35] I knew it... I had one like that a few years back acer-asus I dunno/rememmber and I think I disabled the intel in the bios and never looked b ack [18:36] 18WAE89NC, can you bios disable the intel? [18:38] dougl: i want to install a wine 1.5 which includes usb-acces. [18:38] But i get the stupid error: "Depends on: wine, but can't be installed [18:39] (translated from german, maybe not exactly) [18:39] !ge [18:39] ქართული ენაზე დახმარების მიღებისთვის გთხოვთ შემობრძანდით #ubuntu-ge / Kartuli enaze dakhmarebis mighebistvis gtkhovt shemobrdzandit #ubuntu-ge [18:40] <18WAE89NC> dougl: well it's optimus and it's disabled [18:40] <18WAE89NC> dougl: only the nvidia is active in bios [18:40] 18WAE89NC, lets do jockey-kde again and see what happens. [18:41] <18WAE89NC> dougl: what am i supposed to do with it? [18:41] <18WAE89NC> dougl: switch to another driver? [18:42] sure... [18:42] <18WAE89NC> OK I will try another one [18:42] any nvidia driver should work... that is not an exceptionally new card [18:43] acer or asus notebook? [18:43] <18WAE89NC> it used to work before [18:43] <18WAE89NC> dell latitude [18:43] hmm [18:43] <18WAE89NC> I am trying to reboot now. will return with results.... [18:45] :) === kubuntu is now known as Guest76839 === Steakanbake is now known as Steakanbake|slee [18:52] Crap 18WAE89NC is not coming back... I hope I did not get him to nuke his box [18:53] * genii makes more coffee [18:53] * dougl just refilled [18:54] test [18:54] pass test === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off === gilbert is now known as goodtime === albhert is now known as glasz_ [20:50] when I boot up, my login screen in on my second monitor (which is not always on) How can I force it to the primary monitor? [20:51] Or make it clone on both monitors at the least. === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off === shaun__ is now known as wafflejock === nicksydney_ is now known as nicksydney [22:09] Walzmyn: not very helpful i know, but i've been trying to figure out the same thing :) i have a monitor hooked up via dvi and a tv hooked up via hdmi...every linux distro i've tried defaults to the hdmi tv, which is rather inconvenient :( if i can figure it out on my own i'll mention the solution here, but if anyone else knows... ^^ === map is now known as Guest32151 === Guest32151 is now known as mappps === kubuntu is now known as Guest64683 === dziegler_off is now known as dziegler === dziegler is now known as dziegler_off === gregorio is now known as Guest67170 === adam__ is now known as therealadam === david is now known as Guest29460