[04:18] <nuvolari> o/
[04:18] <nuvolari> mornings
[04:28] <superfly> hi nuvolari 
[04:29] <nuvolari> hello superfly 
[04:30] <nuvolari> hmm, do you also have some of oom Kilos' emails in your spam folder? Not sure why they ended up there
[04:30] <nuvolari> google says it's been marked as phishing mails by some
[04:31] <nuvolari> *some people
[05:16] <Kilos> hi mazal and other peeps too
[05:16] <mazal> More oom
[05:38] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos 
[05:38] <nuvolari> lo mazal 
[05:38] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[05:38] <mazal> hi nuvolari 
[05:40] <nuvolari> amper daar... :-/ my leave begin die 12de
[05:41] <nuvolari> dit was 'n vinnige maar brutale jaar
[05:41] <Kilos> lekker
[05:41] <Kilos> ja julle was almal so kwaai besig
[05:53] <mazal> Myne begin eers die 20ste
[05:53] <mazal> Moet nog vasbyt
[06:04] <Kilos> morning ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:08] <Squirm> morning
[06:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[06:36] <inetpro> Guten Morgen!
[06:36] <inetpro> Kilos: when are you on leave?
[06:36] <Kilos> hi there inetpro  17mm
[06:37] <inetpro> Kilos: lucky!
[06:37] <Kilos> never
[06:37] <Kilos> yeah
[06:37] <Kilos> now sheep wont have probs till winter again
[06:37] <inetpro> I got nothing extra after the 4
[06:37] <Kilos> aw sorry
[06:38] <inetpro> ai!
[07:28] <superfly> Ohi
[07:31] <Kilos> morning superfly Vince-0 
[07:42] <Vince-0> Haai
[07:42] <Vince-0> Google developers office hours - Africa in 20mins: https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/cqcqu39ac89qcf86lt1qnunot7k
[07:54] <Vince-0> oh lol its tomorrow
[08:03] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[08:04] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[09:26] <Kilos> hi psyatw drussell 
[09:28] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:28] <psyatw> hi drussell
[10:14] <Kilos> whew that win a nexus thing is hard work. after about a months battling i eventually managed to post "Done" there
[10:14] <Kilos> hate the page to page to page stuff
[10:15] <Kilos> dont even want the nexus but the 3TB drive will be cool
[10:53] <oscarcarl> Hi all?
[10:54] <oscarcarl> I need assistance
[10:54] <oscarcarl> anyone there?
[10:54] <oscarcarl> I have a vodafone webbook running on ubuntu.
[10:55] <oscarcarl> I can't get the system to reload the os. Anyone with an idea how to?
[10:56] <oscarcarl> good day george, please assist as a matter of urgency as I need to reload my os>
[11:00] <drussell> oscarcarl: the vodafone webbook is (iirc) based around an ARM SoC (system on chip) so none of the normal install methods or media will work
[11:24] <oscarcarl> any other way?
[11:29] <superfly> maybe one of the "armhf" images from here? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-core/releases/13.10/release/
[11:30] <superfly> I have no clue, this is just a suggestions
[11:35] <oscarcarl> tried it, doen't work
[11:36] <oscarcarl> Typical vodacom. Doesn't release the software with their product. Must say, one of the kakest brand names. And on top, thieves.
[11:37] <oscarcarl> Can't believe that ubuntu has gone in with them. Vodacom must have sponsered a lot of money.> Shit.
[11:46] <inetpro> first time I ever hear from anyone buying the Vodafone webbook
[11:56] <inetpro> oscarcarl: how long have you had it for?
[12:00] <Kilos> hi oscarcarl 
[12:20] <oscarcarl> yes more than 2 years.. Now vodacom want me to take it in and reload the os, and charge me. Quite a joke.
[12:21] <oscarcarl> So I would say that is thievery.
[12:22] <oscarcarl> I took it in 6 times. Now the warranty has expired. So, sounds like comunisim,
[12:24] <oscarcarl> I could do it myself to install, but as it has been said, iirc around arm. can't do nothing about that. Will through it away.
[12:25] <oscarcarl> it was only to do e-mails though and for the price, not bad at all. but anyway. I
[12:26] <oscarcarl>  have 4 work phones for renewal for Januray 2014. vodacom has just lost my business forever!!!!!!!
[12:27] <oscarcarl> Hi
[12:34] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your evening
[12:47] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:47] <Kilos> oscarcarl, can it connect to a pc?
[12:49] <oscarcarl> nope, does not work.
[12:49] <Kilos> why do you want to reload. can you try fix the existing os
[12:49] <oscarcarl> how. Can't even go into bios
[12:49] <Kilos> are they made with connector to pc?
[12:49] <Kilos> oh my
[12:50] <oscarcarl> you could, but not going to work
[12:50] <Kilos> have you tried removing the battery for 10 mins
[12:50] <oscarcarl> only 2 ubs ports
[12:50] <Kilos> hopefully bios will reset
[12:50] <oscarcarl> yes, done all of that.
[12:50] <Kilos> ouch
[12:51] <oscarcarl> vodacom is a joke
[12:51] <Kilos> so it doesnt even switch on then?
[12:52] <oscarcarl> yes it does. get to go into shell, but how to reset evrything and change the pastword, can't do.
[12:52] <oscarcarl> password
[12:52] <oscarcarl> ?
[12:53] <oscarcarl> you need to get into the bios.
[12:53] <Kilos> when you plug it into the pc like that can the pc see anything?
[12:53] <Kilos> you have a ubuntu pc roght?
[12:53] <Kilos> right
[12:53] <oscarcarl> I tried everything. Just does not work. When trying to go into bios , I get blocked.
[12:54] <oscarcarl> it is a webbook from vodafone.
[12:55] <oscarcarl> only 4Gig hd, and 525b ram. I have used it only for mails.
[12:55] <Kilos> i dont know any modern fone thingies but was thinking maybe if ubuntu can see it a fsck might sort it
[12:55] <oscarcarl> it is not a fone, it is a webbook
[12:56] <oscarcarl> how do you do the fsck?
[12:56] <Kilos> well first your pc must see it so you have a path
[12:56] <Kilos> like /media/something
[12:56] <oscarcarl> wait quik. I switch it on.
[12:58] <oscarcarl> ok, just hang ten
[12:58] <Kilos> ok
[12:59] <oscarcarl> ok
[12:59] <Kilos> if not /media/something it will show as /dev/something
[12:59] <oscarcarl> ls 
[12:59] <oscarcarl> done it. bin, dev, init, lib mnt, root ect.
[13:00] <oscarcarl> the directories.
[13:00] <Kilos> can disk utility or gparted see it
[13:00] <Kilos> what ubuntu are you using
[13:00] <oscarcarl> no, I am in the shell
[13:00] <Kilos> oh on the thing
[13:01] <oscarcarl> no disk utility
[13:01] <Kilos> try sudo touch /force/fsck
[13:01] <Kilos> then reboot it
[13:01] <oscarcarl> in the  "command peomt"
[13:01] <oscarcarl> "promt"
[13:01] <Kilos> it should then run a filesystem check on booting
[13:02] <Kilos> yes
[13:02] <oscarcarl> what command do I type
[13:02] <Kilos> it is ubuntu on there hey?
[13:02] <oscarcarl> ?
[13:02] <oscarcarl> correct
[13:02] <Kilos> sudo touch /force/fsck
[13:02] <oscarcarl> only ubuntu.
[13:02] <Kilos> just like that
[13:02] <Kilos> then you need to know the password you been using
[13:03] <oscarcarl> you see sudo is not found
[13:03] <Kilos> eish
[13:03] <oscarcarl> Can't remember that. Changed it about 16 times
[13:03] <oscarcarl> buggerd ne?
[13:03] <Kilos> try passwd
[13:04] <oscarcarl> says /bin/sh: sudo: not found
[13:04] <Kilos> try apt-get install sudo
[13:04] <oscarcarl> ok same, not found?
[13:04] <Kilos> or even try the command without sudo
[13:04] <SilverCode> oscarcarl: does "ls /bin/*" show anything?
[13:05] <oscarcarl> not found
[13:05] <oscarcarl> wait
[13:05] <SilverCode> does it say "ls" isn't found?
[13:05] <oscarcarl> yes cd bin and then ls
[13:05] <oscarcarl> yes, directories there.
[13:06] <oscarcarl> nope
[13:06] <SilverCode> ok, what does "echo $PATH" ?
[13:06] <oscarcarl> hang
[13:06] <SilverCode> wow
[13:06] <SilverCode> sounds like the HDD in that thing could be on the way out
[13:07] <oscarcarl> there is a directory echo in bin
[13:07] <Squirm> oscarcarl: hang for hang on or is it hanging
[13:07] <oscarcarl> hang on......
[13:07] <oscarcarl> funny
[13:07] <SilverCode> oh, right
[13:07] <SilverCode> then maybe not the drive :)
[13:07] <oscarcarl> the hdd is fine.....smile
[13:08] <oscarcarl> :0
[13:08] <SilverCode> also, what does "/usr/bin/whoami" show?
[13:09] <oscarcarl> Iwait.......
[13:09] <oscarcarl> is that in the bin directory, the command?
[13:10] <SilverCode> no, it is in /usr/bin/ directory
[13:10] <SilverCode> you should just be able to type it in like that and it will run regardless of where it is relative to your current path
[13:11] <oscarcarl> it says permission denied....after typing /usr/bin/
[13:12] <SilverCode> hmm..
[13:12] <SilverCode> do you know if you are able to get into a grub boot menu when the machine boots up?
[13:13] <oscarcarl> I can't, been denied
[13:13] <oscarcarl> esc, and just say denied , denied
[13:14] <oscarcarl> so i went in to the shell kernell, button on the back of the webbook
[13:14] <SilverCode> it sounds like your filesystem and/or permissions have been messed up
[13:14] <Kilos> did you type in wrong passwd a few times
[13:14] <oscarcarl> Yes
[13:14] <SilverCode> hang on
[13:15] <oscarcarl> ok
[13:15] <SilverCode> wait, no, that won't work
[13:15] <SilverCode> how much do you know about linux (I just need to gauge what is possible)?
[13:15] <oscarcarl> gauge?
[13:16] <SilverCode> for instance, do you know if you are logged in as root right now?
[13:16] <oscarcarl> I switch a button on the back of the webbook and can get into ubuntu installer main menu
[13:16] <oscarcarl> that all
[13:16] <SilverCode> ok
[13:16] <oscarcarl> and can get to the Execute a shell
[13:17] <SilverCode> what options does the menu offer?
[13:17] <SilverCode> actually, lets step back a bit
[13:17] <oscarcarl> Cant boot from flashdrive. I can connect the webbook to the internet but do not know the commands in execute a shell
[13:18] <SilverCode> what happens when you turn the netbook on, and what do you want/expect to happen (I missed the actual issue with the netbook)
[13:18] <oscarcarl> ok.....
[13:18] <oscarcarl> configure the keyborad,
[13:18] <oscarcarl> detect and mount cd rom
[13:19] <oscarcarl> load debconf preconfiguration file
[13:19] <oscarcarl> load installer componants from cd
[13:19] <oscarcarl> change debconf priority
[13:20] <oscarcarl> it gives me ubuntu installer after it can't read from the flash drive
[13:21] <oscarcarl> critical, high, medium, or low...that is the 4 options
[13:21] <SilverCode> I'm starting to go back to my original suspicion that the drive is failing/failed
[13:22] <SilverCode> if both the bootloader and the installer can't detect the drive, then there is likely something wrong with the dirve
[13:22] <SilverCode> *drive
[13:22] <oscarcarl> I can boot the system  up, but then it now ask me for a password
[13:22] <SilverCode> but it is hard to say for sure without having it infront of me
[13:22] <oscarcarl> I do not remember it
[13:22] <SilverCode> is that the only issue?
[13:23] <SilverCode> I tought the system woulnd't boot
[13:23] <SilverCode> or didn't boot to a GUI
[13:23] <oscarcarl> so, I need a fresh install, and can't get it right
[13:23] <oscarcarl> it boots now, for the first time again.
[13:23] <oscarcarl> know it ask for a past word?
[13:23] <Kilos> ouch
[13:24] <oscarcarl> wait
[13:24] <SilverCode> that makes things simpler and more complicated at the same time
[13:24] <oscarcarl> I know.
[13:24] <SilverCode> if you could get into the grub menu you could boot to single user mode and change the password
[13:25] <oscarcarl> is there no way I can get into grub via "command prompt"?
[13:26] <oscarcarl> There is a execute a shell, which gives me the ability to go to the "command prompt'
[13:26] <oscarcarl> it says then, the root file system is a ram disk
[13:27] <Kilos> what is a netbook?
[13:27] <Kilos> like a lappy?
[13:27] <SilverCode> if I understand the layout of that netbook correctly, the command prompt you are entering sounds like some sort of recovery shell
[13:27] <oscarcarl> the hard disk file system are mounted on "/target" the editor available is nano.
[13:28] <oscarcarl> something like that.
[13:28] <SilverCode> which would be perfect ... if it actually seemed to work, but as you said above, you don't seem to have full access in that shell
[13:28] <oscarcarl> yes correct
[13:29] <oscarcarl> so how do i go about this? that is waht vodafone is doing. 
[13:29] <oscarcarl> So now after 2 years, I have to start paying for a system restore?
[13:30] <oscarcarl> no way. i refuse.
[13:30] <SilverCode> not sure how Vodafone would re-load Ubuntu to be honest
[13:30] <Kilos> can you google?
[13:30] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/24006/how-do-i-reset-a-lost-administrative-password
[13:30] <oscarcarl> And they do not want to give me their sofware vesion of ubuntu that was written for them.
[13:30] <Kilos> power might die here. storming
[13:31] <oscarcarl> ask who, done all of that yesterday the whole day.
[13:32] <oscarcarl> no I can't google, who can not? huh uh......boring :)
[13:32] <SilverCode> oscarcarl: what does "ls /usr/sbin/*" show?
[13:32] <Kilos> the password change bit?
[13:32] <oscarcarl> wait a sec
[13:32] <oscarcarl> not found
[13:33] <SilverCode> bloody hell
[13:33] <oscarcarl> I know. 
[13:33] <SilverCode> what happens if you type chroot?
[13:33] <oscarcarl> ls then I can see some directories
[13:35] <oscarcarl> busybox v 1.13.3 (Ubuntu 1:1.13.3-1ubuntu) multi-vcall binary
[13:35] <SilverCode> ok, busybox, that helps
[13:35] <oscarcarl> usage: chroot newroot [command.......]
[13:35] <SilverCode> try "mount"
[13:35] <SilverCode> should list a bunch of stuff
[13:36] <oscarcarl> yes
[13:37] <SilverCode> is there a line that says something like "sda1 on /target"?
[13:37] <SilverCode> and if so, what exactly deos it say?
[13:37] <oscarcarl> ok, 5 lines goes as....
[13:38] <oscarcarl> rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
[13:38] <oscarcarl> none on /proc type proc (rw,relatime)
[13:39] <oscarcarl> none on 'sys type sysfs (rw,relatime)
[13:39] <oscarcarl> tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs (rw,relatime)
[13:40] <oscarcarl> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,relatime,mode=600)
[13:40] <oscarcarl> thats it
[13:41] <SilverCode> ok, try "fdisk -l /dev/sda"
[13:41] <oscarcarl> ok
[13:42] <oscarcarl> not found
[13:42] <SilverCode> does it say  the command "fdisk" isn't found, or that "/dev/sda" isn't found?
[13:42] <oscarcarl> sorry:
[13:43] <oscarcarl> wait
[13:44] <oscarcarl> are you getting anything i have just send?
[13:45] <oscarcarl> "/bin/sh: fdisk: not found"
[13:45] <oscarcarl> there we go
[13:45] <SilverCode> *sigh*
[13:45] <SilverCode> final stab at something, try "busybox --list"
[13:46] <SilverCode> that will list a bunch of commands that you can currently use
[13:46] <SilverCode> see if we can find anything in that list to work with
[13:46] <oscarcarl> "--list: applet not found"
[13:47] <oscarcarl> if I type help, there is a couple of commands...
[13:47] <oscarcarl> will that help you?
[13:47] <SilverCode> it might
[13:48] <oscarcarl> bg break cd chdir command continue echo eva1 exec exit 
[13:49] <oscarcarl> export false fg getopts hash help jobs kill let loacal printf pwd read
[13:49] <oscarcarl> readonly return st shift source
[13:50] <oscarcarl> test times trap true type ulinit umask unset wait
[13:50] <oscarcarl> that is all the command in help
[13:50] <SilverCode> wow, they really stripped that busybox down
[13:50] <oscarcarl> yip
[13:51] <SilverCode> try "mount /dev/sda1"
[13:51] <SilverCode> wait, no
[13:51] <oscarcarl> busybox
[13:51] <oscarcarl> ok waiting
[13:51] <SilverCode> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt
[13:51] <SilverCode> (forgot teh mount point)
[13:53] <oscarcarl> mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on mnt failed: No such file or directory
[13:53] <SilverCode> ls /
[13:54] <oscarcarl> I typed just busybox and more defined fucktions has come up
[13:54] <oscarcarl> yes
[13:54] <oscarcarl> yes about 13 directories
[13:54] <SilverCode> ok, type "mkdir /tmp/mount"
[13:54] <oscarcarl> ok
[13:54] <SilverCode> that should create a folder /tmp/mount
[13:55] <SilverCode> ten type "mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/mount"
[13:55] <SilverCode> *then
[13:55] <SilverCode> hopefully that will mount the hard drive to /tmp/mount
[13:55] <oscarcarl> there is already a tmp directory under ls
[13:55] <oscarcarl> will that overite?
[13:56] <SilverCode> no, it will create a new directory undet /tmp calles "mount"
[13:56] <SilverCode> *called
[13:56] <SilverCode> ...or give you an error that you can't do that
[13:56] <oscarcarl> wait
[13:57] <oscarcarl> cannot create directory '/tmp/mount': file exist
[13:58] <SilverCode> ok, then just do the 2nd part "mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/mount"
[13:59] <Kilos> whew heavy storm
[13:59] <Kilos> inetpro, stay at work till its gone over
[14:00] <oscarcarl> mount: mounting /dev/sda1 on /tmp/mount failed: No such file or directory
[14:01] <SilverCode> I'm starting to run out of ideas
[14:02] <SilverCode> basically what I wanted to do was mount the hard drive, chroot to it so the command line you are working in modifies the correct files
[14:02] <SilverCode> then use passwd to reset the password of your user account
[14:02] <oscarcarl> not found
[14:02] <SilverCode> but busybox doesn't seem to want to play along and offer up the info and utilites I need for this
[14:03] <oscarcarl> That is why I am saying that vodacom, the service provider and fodafone are buggering everything up
[14:04] <oscarcarl> amr and ubuntu have to listen to vodacom though
[14:04] <oscarcarl> just a way of protecting there products and forcing people to pay after wrranties expired and make mony
[14:04] <oscarcarl> money
[14:05] <SilverCode> there are other ways to get around this, but it is beyond the scope of IRC help
[14:06] <oscarcarl> who could I contact then?
[14:06] <SilverCode> any competent Linux person in your area should be able to assist
[14:06] <SilverCode> don't know of any specific companies though
[14:07] <SilverCode> you in CPT area right?
[14:07] <oscarcarl> As i said, I am not going to pay a dime for this. I will most probbibly take a 10 pound hammer and squash this machine, before 
[14:08] <oscarcarl> througing it away. :)
[14:08] <oscarcarl> yes sir
[14:10] <SilverCode> there is a 0XC0FFEE meetup happening this Saturday at 1pm at Jamaica Me Crazy in Woodstock. The guys that go to that those meetups are usually people who can help with problems like yours and are always happy meet new people
[14:11] <SilverCode> so maybe drop by there on Saturday with the netbook and see if anyone is willing to help
[14:11] <SilverCode> might cost yo a beer
[14:11] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[14:12] <SilverCode> http://0xc0ffee-cpt.co.za/
[14:12] <inetpro> oscarcarl: at least you got two years of usage out of it
[14:12] <oscarcarl> cool thx
[14:12] <oscarcarl> yip
[14:13] <inetpro> can't expect much more for just R1500
[14:13] <oscarcarl> 2 years minus 5 weeks for taking it in and reload the os. what a joke
[14:14] <oscarcarl> not giving me the os, they refuse.
[14:14] <SilverCode> oscarcarl: would you be willing to sell the thing? and if so, for how much?
[14:14] <oscarcarl> R 1200?
[14:14] <oscarcarl> Don't know.
[14:15] <inetpro> R1200 might be a bit steap
[14:16] <Kilos> steep
[14:16] <oscarcarl> I know, just a thumb suck. What would you say a good price is?
[14:16] <SilverCode> oscarcarl: interestingly a friend of mines netbook stopped charging recently and he wants to get a replacement (and know more than enough to reload the OS), but he isn't wanting to really spend more than R500 on a 2nd hand one
[14:16] <oscarcarl> I know that you could buy it for round R 1800 new working order though
[14:17] <inetpro> oscarcarl: how much did you pay initially?
[14:17] <oscarcarl> R 1800
[14:18] <inetpro> hmm... 
[14:18] <inetpro> what's the average lifetime of a laptop these days?
[14:19] <oscarcarl> remember it is only 4 G hd, and 525 MB ram. Got a buil in camera, but that is about it.
[14:20] <oscarcarl> depends on the tempreture your cpu is running at.
[14:23] <inetpro> AFAIK companies replace laptops every 4 years these days
[14:23] <oscarcarl> Thanx for the assistance though. I have learned alot today again.
[14:24] <Kilos> oscarcarl, you must visit more often
[14:24] <inetpro> a rough guess from that means you loose about R450 per year
[14:24] <Kilos> when things are working too
[14:25] <oscarcarl> And these companies does not even make full use of these laptops
[14:25] <inetpro> so I guess R900 should be fair for a working webbook
[14:25] <inetpro> oscarcarl: that is true
[14:26] <oscarcarl> Yip, i am listening to all these negotiations going on. Intresting
[14:26] <inetpro> obviously I'm over simplifying with my calculation
[14:26] <oscarcarl> I mean there is companies that only started making use of windows 7 now, who has just gone of xp
[14:27] <oscarcarl> logic, important though, some people does not even have it. :)
[14:28] <Kilos> with that ram and cpu it should work fine on xp
[14:28] <oscarcarl> yeah wright
[14:28] <inetpro> but that webbook is really not worth much by the looks of things
[14:29] <oscarcarl> correct. entery market for typing, mails, and browsing.
[14:29] <inetpro> based on the following link: http://gearburn.com/2011/11/review-the-vodafone-webbook-cheap-plastic-nasty/
[14:29] <oscarcarl> Skype won't even work
[14:29] <oscarcarl> I know
[14:29] <oscarcarl> Done all this research
[14:30] <Kilos> ai!
[14:30] <Kilos> oscarcarl, you a student?
[14:31] <oscarcarl> And now want to charge for the os install of the os? sjoe. Even the poorest of the poor wil end up paying for this crap
[14:31] <oscarcarl> nope, which I was again though. 
[14:32] <inetpro> oscarcarl: you can't blame them, they need to pay salaries
[14:33] <inetpro> the lesson in this is just not to buy from Vodafone and rather do your homework and be independent
[14:34] <inetpro> buy the hardware and install your own OS
[14:34] <Kilos> has it not got a cdrom even?
[14:35] <oscarcarl> nope
[14:35] <Kilos> use an external
[14:35] <oscarcarl> they won't sell it
[14:35] <oscarcarl> that does not even work
[14:37] <oscarcarl> I even tried the ubuntu mini, about 30 MB download. Did the whole inshala with LiLi usb creator, and still does not want to read the boot up or os.
[14:37] <oscarcarl> Vodafone and ubuntu has specifically wrote it for this machine. Running a iirc with arm cpu.
[14:39] <oscarcarl> This webbook was for one of my people working for me. Just mails basically.
[14:40] <oscarcarl> free software!
[14:40] <inetpro> so it just stopped working?
[14:40] <oscarcarl> go to fullypcgames.com
[14:40] <inetpro> or it stopped because you tried to upgrade?
[14:41] <oscarcarl> They have blocked the bios
[14:42] <oscarcarl> that as well.
[14:42] <oscarcarl> it came out with version 10.04 
[14:42] <inetpro> I wonder what would be a good cheap replacement in the same league 
[14:42] <Kilos> can you not even boot into bios with delete or F1
[14:43] <inetpro> even mobile phones have more oomph than that thing these days
[14:44] <oscarcarl> nope
[14:44] <oscarcarl> been blocked
[14:44] <Kilos> wow
[14:44] <Kilos> thats so they canncharge for repairs
[14:44] <Kilos> swines
[14:44] <oscarcarl> yip I know. Just the e-mails on phones is a bit irritating to read all the time
[14:45] <oscarcarl> rather get a a tablet
[14:45] <oscarcarl> google to find replacement
[14:46]  * inetpro still enjoys the value from purchasing the Acer Aspire One Happy more than two years ago
[14:47] <Kilos> i dont think youll find anything close to that price
[14:47] <inetpro> has it's problems but my wife is still using it 
[14:47] <Kilos> second hand maybe
[14:49] <Kilos> inetpro, is there no way to boot into root terminal
[14:49] <Kilos> then reset password
[14:50] <Kilos> hi charl 
[14:50] <charl> good afternoon
[14:50] <charl> hi Kilos 
[14:50] <inetpro> Kilos: it's a ARM device
[14:50] <Kilos> i dunno what that is
[14:50] <Kilos> dont it have root?
[14:55] <oscarcarl> yes, buit can't excess it
[14:56] <Kilos> there must be a way
[14:56] <Kilos> vodafone knows how
[14:56] <oscarcarl> its the cpu
[14:56] <Kilos> so if you cant get into root you cant choose another boot device either
[14:57] <oscarcarl> I don't know?
[14:57] <Kilos> frustrating when they do things like that
[14:57] <oscarcarl> correct
[14:57] <oscarcarl> been blocked
[14:57] <oscarcarl> yip
[14:57] <Kilos> like branding 3g modems and cellphones
[14:57] <Kilos> grrr
[14:57] <oscarcarl> yip
[14:58] <Kilos> someone somewhere will know how to crack it
[14:58] <oscarcarl> but at least you could sell the phones to nabouring countries and it will work. Not this thing>
[14:59] <Kilos> would be interesting to try sort it out
[14:59] <Kilos> must be a way
[14:59] <oscarcarl> yip, but don't have time for this.
[14:59] <oscarcarl> yip
[14:59] <oscarcarl> Anyway, all go well, go shell.
[14:59] <Kilos> its like dstv decoders too. they plug into pc and can do anything to it
[15:00] <Kilos> good luck
[15:00] <Kilos> we live here
[15:00] <oscarcarl> and thx to SilverCode for the help.
[15:00] <oscarcarl> awe.
[15:00] <SilverCode> oscarcarl: no problem, just wish we could have actually gotten somewhere
[15:01] <oscarcarl> yip
[15:01] <inetpro> oscarcarl: don't give up and just be back here soon
[15:01] <oscarcarl> ok will do.
[15:02] <Kilos> safe to go home quick inetpro 
[15:02] <Kilos> more rain tonight
[15:03] <inetpro> Kilos: hmm... still have lots to do man
[15:03] <inetpro> but perhaps should do it from home
[15:03] <Kilos> ai!
[15:03] <inetpro> thanks for the heads up
[15:04] <Kilos> ok ill tell it to hold off
[15:04] <inetpro> :-)
[15:04] <Kilos> hehe
[15:04] <Kilos> we had 7 mm and 7 power offs
[15:21] <Kilos> here are replacement options for oscar
[15:21] <Kilos> http://www.ananzi.co.za/stuff/cheap-laptops-south-africa.html
[15:23] <theblazehen> hi all
[15:23] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[15:23] <Kilos> hows things
[15:23] <Kilos> finished exams?
[15:24] <theblazehen> Going well kilos, exams all finished. How's things with you?
[15:24] <Kilos> good ty
[15:25] <Kilos> building a wifi yagi but major work to do it properly
[15:25] <theblazehen> ah ok
[15:28] <Kilos> not easy to measure to .01mm with old eye
[15:28] <theblazehen> yeah, I'd believe
[15:28] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:29] <Kilos> but fun though if there is no rush
[15:31] <theblazehen> yeah
[15:31] <theblazehen> thanks will try it now
[15:31] <theblazehen> oops wrong vhannel
[15:31] <theblazehen> channel*
[17:16] <oscarcarl> webbook? password reset?
[17:33] <oscarcarl> ?
[17:33] <oscarcarl> any one
[17:33] <oscarcarl> ?
[17:35] <theblazehen> Hi?
[17:35] <theblazehen> oscarcarl, what is webbook
[17:36] <oscarcarl> almost like a netbook
[17:36] <theblazehen> Running ubuntu?
[17:36] <oscarcarl> 4 g hdd and 525MB ram
[17:36] <oscarcarl> very small
[17:36] <oscarcarl> yes.
[17:36] <theblazehen> On it now?
[17:37] <oscarcarl> Can't do reset of password.
[17:37] <theblazehen> What is the problem when you try? Do you get an error?
[17:37] <oscarcarl> Had a problem with booting, now working, but password is missing.
[17:37] <oscarcarl> not autheticating.
[17:37] <oscarcarl> wrong password.
[17:38] <oscarcarl> neet to reset, and can't
[17:38] <oscarcarl> yes. I am in the shell.
[17:39] <theblazehen> ok. Turn it off, then turn it on and repeatedly press the tab (?) key, choose single user or recovery console. You should have a terminal. You then need to run passwd and your username, eg. 'passwd joe', then you can set a new password
[17:39] <oscarcarl> iow, command propt
[17:39] <oscarcarl> hang one second
[17:40] <oscarcarl> in the terminal.
[17:40] <theblazehen> k
[17:40] <theblazehen> root terminal?
[17:40] <oscarcarl> not found
[17:41] <oscarcarl> yip
[17:41] <oscarcarl> ls, gives me all the directories
[17:41] <theblazehen> ok...
[17:41] <oscarcarl> bin, dev, init, lib, root ect.
[17:42] <theblazehen> try /usr/bin/passwd your_username
[17:42] <oscarcarl> ok
[17:43] <oscarcarl> not found
[17:43] <theblazehen> well, I have one word left for you then :( -- "Shit"
[17:43] <theblazehen> No idea how to continue, sorry
[17:44] <oscarcarl> not found
[17:44] <oscarcarl> ok
[17:44] <oscarcarl> thx
[17:44] <theblazehen> Maybe try and reinstall orsomething
[17:44] <oscarcarl> can't
[17:44] <oscarcarl> does not want to accept
[17:45] <theblazehen> The install?
[17:45] <oscarcarl> any ubuntu mini or iso via flashdrive.
[17:45] <theblazehen> ah ok
[17:45] <theblazehen> well sorry man
[17:46] <oscarcarl> is there a way to connect via internet with the web book via the terminal?
[17:46] <Kilos> ohi oscarcarl you back
[17:47] <oscarcarl> yes, no flippen answer for nothing
[17:48] <Kilos> oscarcarl, does it only boot from the hdd? no option to boot from flash?
[17:49] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[17:49] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[17:49] <oscarcarl> yes, only from hd, but there is a button on the back, switch that you press and take you to the terminal.
[17:49] <psychicist> hi oscarcarl 
[17:50] <oscarcarl> yes
[17:50] <Kilos> the password thing is a pain
[17:50] <Kilos> you gotta always keep password safe
[17:50] <Kilos> hehe
[17:51] <Kilos> lets see what google says
[17:51] <oscarcarl> I know. Windows does not have that prob though
[17:51] <oscarcarl> nothing. done it all
[17:52] <Kilos> can you boot as another user?
[17:53] <oscarcarl> there is other but do not know the password for that other either
[17:53] <oscarcarl> it just says other
[17:53] <Kilos> try make a new user
[17:53] <oscarcarl> I am at the terminal now
[17:53] <Kilos> and give it admin rights
[17:53] <oscarcarl> how?
[17:53] <Kilos> ai! i forgot sorry
[17:54] <Kilos> theblazehen, do you know
[17:54] <Kilos> ive only done it once , but forgot now how i did it
[17:54] <Kilos> i think i used sudo adduser something
[17:55] <Kilos> but sudo dont work on webthing
[17:55] <oscarcarl> that is not found
[17:55] <Kilos> lets see what we can find
[17:55] <theblazehen> not quite sure
[17:55] <theblazehen> think you can manually add in /etc/sudoers
[17:56] <Kilos> what happens if you hold down shift while booting
[17:56] <oscarcarl> wait a second, will try now
[17:56] <Kilos> somewhere i saw if that dont work try tapping shift all the time while booting
[17:58] <Kilos> here is the link to follow to change root password
[17:58] <Kilos> http://foralllinux.blogspot.com/2010/11/how-to-reset-root-password-in-ubuntu.html
[17:58] <Kilos> i dont know what you guys tried while i was offline
[18:00] <Kilos> theblazehen, he gets to the terminal by pushing some button on the thing but it cant find sudo from there or do anything that needs passwd
[18:00] <theblazehen> Yeah, I saw. No idea how to continue unfortunately
[18:01] <Kilos> i dunno what vodacom has done on that 10.04
[18:04] <oscarcarl> I am in command promp. done the LS and gives me al 16 directories. done the usr/paaswrd ect, does not work though
[18:05] <Kilos> what did it do when you hold down shift and boot
[18:09] <oscarcarl> nothing, screen goes on and of on and of
[18:10] <oscarcarl> and nothing happens. then as for password.
[18:10] <Kilos> and when you tap shift while booting
[18:10] <oscarcarl> can't get to the bios at all
[18:10] <oscarcarl> nothing
[18:10] <oscarcarl> esc-nothing
[18:10] <Kilos> no that should get you to a brub boot menu
[18:10] <oscarcarl> F1 nothing
[18:10] <Kilos> grub
[18:11] <oscarcarl> not found
[18:11] <Kilos> the bios is letting it boot, we just need to get the password changed
[18:12] <Kilos> ai! where are all the clever peeps
[18:14] <oscarcarl> yip
[18:15] <oscarcarl> password change
[18:15] <Kilos> you did hold down the left shift key hey?
[18:16] <Kilos> right doesnt work
[18:17] <Kilos> goosie waar is jy man
[18:35] <Kilos> oscarcarl, whats happening
[18:36] <oscarcarl> nothing
[18:36] <Kilos> i looked for lappies in that price rang for you
[18:36] <oscarcarl> nobody seems to know linux the way tey should around here.
[18:37] <Kilos> range
[18:37] <oscarcarl> nothing really
[18:37] <Kilos> i found
[18:37] <oscarcarl> and?
[18:38] <oscarcarl> hang on, getting a sigarette now
[18:38] <Kilos> but thats only if we cant get a clever oke to help with this passwd thing
[18:38] <Kilos> http://www.ananzi.co.za/stuff/cheap-laptops-south-africa.html
[18:38] <Kilos> they all core2 duo with bigger drives for R1800
[18:38] <Kilos> proper lappys
[18:40] <Kilos> lots of ubuntu probs can be fixed by booting from a cd or flash but you dont even have that option
[18:40] <Kilos> as a matter of interest fone vodacom tomorrow and ask what they charge to reset the password
[18:41] <oscarcarl> they won't reset, they will load the os
[18:42] <oscarcarl> I am getting my money back for sure
[18:42] <oscarcarl> left a message and have send a mail to the MD. awaiting his feedback
[18:43] <oscarcarl> core 2 is to slow these days anyway.
[18:43] <Kilos> no man im running one with ubuntu 12.04 and win7
[18:44] <oscarcarl> And on top I need a proper vdeo driver
[18:44] <Kilos> oh my is a desktop
[18:44] <Kilos> oh havent lappies got good video
[18:44] <Kilos> i dont like then
[18:44] <oscarcarl> me neither
[18:44] <Kilos> only got old desktops here
[18:45] <oscarcarl> Desktop still stays the best though
[18:45] <Kilos> i think so too, but cant carry it around
[18:46] <oscarcarl> don't care
[18:46] <Kilos> a dual with 2g ram is fine nif its for an employee that needs mail and so on
[18:46] <Kilos> cant do modern gaming though
[18:47] <Kilos> good desktops are expensive
[18:47] <oscarcarl> yip, nor proper games
[18:47] <oscarcarl> fullypcgames.com
[18:47] <Kilos> i dont game since going ubuntu
[18:48] <Kilos> pc too slow and graphics cards too expensive
[18:48] <Kilos> has the webthing only got usb?
[18:48] <Kilos> how can you link it to another pc
[18:48] <oscarcarl> also expensive though
[18:48] <oscarcarl> usb data bundles
[18:49] <Kilos> yeah i know
[18:49] <Kilos> best is 8ta
[18:49] <Kilos> telkom
[18:49] <oscarcarl> yip
[18:49] <Kilos> 2+1 for R149
[18:49] <Kilos> where are you?
[18:49] <oscarcarl> I think I pay something like R 229 for 29 gig adsl though
[18:50] <oscarcarl> 20gig
[18:50] <Kilos> whew
[18:50] <oscarcarl> cpt
[18:50] <Kilos> i can only dream os such a cap
[18:50] <oscarcarl> where r u?
[18:50] <Kilos> lotsa clever peeps there but all superbusy with life
[18:50] <Kilos> pretoria
[18:51] <oscarcarl> pinkies
[18:51] <oscarcarl> pinkie bulle
[18:51] <Kilos> does that webthing have ethernet connector
[18:51] <Kilos> lol
[18:51] <Kilos> no man i support the sharks
[18:52] <oscarcarl> even worse
[18:52] <Kilos> eeeek
[18:52] <Kilos> didnt we win ?
[18:52] <oscarcarl> you know rugby 08?
[18:52] <Kilos> you a stormer
[18:52] <oscarcarl> currie cup though
[18:52] <oscarcarl> nope, Lion.
[18:52] <Kilos> well we still won
[18:53] <Kilos> ah
[18:53] <oscarcarl> Was gone out of the super 15 but back this year. NOW THAT IS A SHIT TEAM IN THE SUPER !%.
[18:53] <Kilos> hey man has the thing got ethernet connector
[18:53] <oscarcarl> 15
[18:53] <oscarcarl> CURRIE CUP SOSO
[18:53] <Kilos> hehe
[18:54] <Kilos> im a shark by heart and love natal
[18:54] <Kilos> but too old to do anything but hit a keyboard
[18:54] <oscarcarl> the webbook?
[18:54] <Kilos> yes the webthing
[18:54] <oscarcarl> nope
[18:54] <oscarcarl>  2 usb ports, that is it
[18:55] <Kilos> im trying to think how we can connect it to another pc
[18:55] <Kilos> ouch
[18:55] <oscarcarl> can't,
[18:55] <oscarcarl> tried alraedy
[18:55] <Kilos> ok so then 
[18:55] <Kilos> first fone vodacom tomorrow and get price to reset password
[18:55] <oscarcarl> I am linked via a usb port to my modem onto my pc
[18:56] <oscarcarl> but pc does not pic up the webbook
[18:56] <Kilos> windows
[18:56] <oscarcarl> And I do need the command to l;nk to the pc
[18:56] <oscarcarl> pc is win 7 prof
[18:56] <Kilos> what os on pc?
[18:56] <Kilos> eish
[18:57] <Kilos> only thing windows picks up is virii and so on
[18:57] <Kilos> win cant see ext4 drives
[18:58] <oscarcarl> it can if you run it throughn the modem, but i have not had the time for this
[18:58] <Kilos> anyway my idea is
[18:58] <Kilos> we first gotta get into bios somehow
[18:59] <oscarcarl> cool, but not going to work as ubuntu needs a password
[18:59] <oscarcarl> yip
[18:59] <Kilos> then you need to beg steal or borrow and external dvdrom
[18:59] <oscarcarl> or flash, also working
[18:59] <Kilos> then once we got bios sorted then boot from a buntu cd
[18:59] <Kilos> or flash ya
[19:00] <Kilos> ok lemme keep trying to find how to get into that bios
[19:00] <oscarcarl> the problem still stays, that the way ubuntu and vodafone has written the os, it is protected.
[19:01] <oscarcarl> vodacom, asses
[19:01] <Kilos> if you can boot from a flsah you can force things to happen
[19:02] <oscarcarl> yip, but I can't. The ubunto os from the websides does not work on the masjien. 
[19:02] <Kilos> all work from the cd will be cli commands
[19:03] <oscarcarl> the processor is arm and iirc system. That is the way it is designed.
[19:03] <Kilos> there are arm isos available
[19:03] <oscarcarl> you need someone to crack the os.
[19:04] <Kilos> look here
[19:04] <Kilos> http://community.vodacom.co.za/t5/Other-Devices/vodafone-webbook/td-p/657?redirected=true
[19:04] <oscarcarl> ok
[19:04] <Kilos> hard work for me to read all that
[19:04] <Kilos> you cant be the only one with that prob
[19:05] <Kilos> inetpro, jy drop my ne
[19:06] <oscarcarl> you see, vodacom does not want to give me the os. That is my whole point. I have been on the phone with them for almost 3 hours the past 2 days.
[19:07] <oscarcarl> They insist bringing it in. The warranty is gone and now I will be charged. So they can take the os and shuf it.
[19:07] <Kilos> how much do they charge?
[19:08] <oscarcarl> I don't know. I have 4 phones for renewal comming up in Jan. + one in Feb. They can forget about the business from me. WHAP BAM GONE.
[19:08] <Kilos> lol
[19:10] <oscarcarl> anyway, i am out an about, hitting tyhe pillows now. Tjorts
[19:12] <Kilos> night
[19:20] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight