[00:01] gottcode: for me it depends on what widget has focus, if the entry has focus, i cant resize [00:01] ochosi: interesting, for me I can resize even with the entry having focus [00:04] ali1234: works now! [00:04] natch :) [00:05] ali1234: is that really how it's supposed to look? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-12052013-010458am.php [00:05] (that separator in the top right is expanded) [00:05] yeah pretty much [00:05] i dunno about that... [00:06] the rest seems fine i guess [00:06] i gotta say i already love that app [00:06] nice work on that [00:06] yeah that's wrong [00:06] let me check the stuff [00:07] gottcode: hmm, i'm using the ochosi/tabwin branch (although that shouldn't really make a difference for this case) [00:07] ochosi: can you check in the settings editor what is going on there? [00:08] sure, one sec [00:08] hmm [00:09] this is kind of weird [00:09] it's actually wrong in my settings [00:09] but it looks ok? [00:09] that plugin does not have the "expand" (bool) key at all [00:10] for me it's not expanded, for you it is [00:10] i guess if the key is missing it does something random [00:10] this is probably a bug in xfce4-panel, not setting a default [00:10] how long do you have your panel? [00:10] 1920 pixels [00:10] and your config [00:10] oh wait, no, not sure that was changed in 4.10 [00:10] only the windowlist got the expand dropped i think... [00:11] hm, no, i think it did change in 4.10 [00:11] before expand was one of the options in the dropdown, not a bool [00:11] well this config is not old [00:12] however when i made it i might have reused some of the items already present from the default config [00:12] hm [00:12] which would explain it probably [00:12] default config of xubuntu or of xfce upstream? [00:12] yeah the leftmost and rightmost ones are both like this [00:12] and xubuntu default config [00:13] hm, strange [00:13] anyway, the trick here is to just make sure that we don't ship buggy configs :) [00:13] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/raring/view/head:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu/xfce4/panel/default.xml#L88 [00:14] crap [00:14] that's it ^ [00:18] yeah [00:18] i just pushed a fixed config [00:18] just a matter of toggling expand on each one and saving it again [00:19] yup [00:19] i wonder why it defaults to expanded for you but not for me [00:19] bluesabre: The pexpect update request is at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729518 [00:19] Debian bug 729518 in python-pexpect "python-pexpect: Packaging for new upstream version" [Normal,Open] [00:20] fantastic, thanks Noskcaj-school! [00:20] I should get to that once i've adopted a few of gottcode's packages that are orphaned in debian [00:21] awesome [00:21] ali1234: no idea really [00:36] I'm off, talk to you all later [00:38] seeya gottcode === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash [03:38] and fixed [03:39] so... how do you think about this? : i've patch indicator-sound-gtk2 to load it's own dbus service instead of the gtk3 one, by changing the dbus name [03:39] this means that stuff like music players won't appear in the menu [03:39] however you will be able to change the volume [03:40] you think it'll be a 50/50 split? [03:41] dpkg-divert it. :P [03:41] you lost me [03:42] Basically, it moves that file, tells dpkg that indicator-sound's file is at $newlocation, and installs it's own file there. [03:42] yeah, that's no good [03:42] that will break unity [03:42] Only when -gtk2 is installed. [03:42] yes [03:43] another possibility is detect when the gtk3 service is running, and then kill it [03:43] actually [03:44] if we start up the other service before the panel and indicators load it should work [03:44] 1. Somewhat kidding, hence the ":P" 2. In theory, -gtk2 can't be used in unity. [03:45] i think that's actually a better idea [03:45] i wonder how to achieve it though [03:46] system("/usr/share/blah/indicator-sound-service") ... maybe [03:47] I went back to precise and raring packages, personally. [03:47] (Updated to gtk3 today, reverted.) [03:47] yeah the thing is that people don't know how to do that [03:47] and i'm tired of listening to the whining [03:48] Oh, it's not a fix by any means! Yeah, if we can't backport, would be best for sure. [03:48] * Unit193 shuts up, then. :) [03:54] hmm... best fix [03:55] make the gtk2 indicator export both interfaces [03:55] though i doubt it will work with players anyway [04:11] right, fix is in mah ppa [04:11] let's see if it builds [04:14] https://launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/+archive/indicator-sound-gtk2 [04:15] Unit193: so does eg rythmbox appear in the sound menu with the raring package installed on saucy? [04:16] ali1234: VLC does, yes. [04:17] 0.8.5.0-0ubuntu2.1 [04:17] So, that'd be precise. [04:18] huh... wow [04:18] it works even with my patched version [04:18] it must not care what the dbus name is [04:18] and just look for the interface name [04:18] incredible [04:19] Nice. [04:19] unbelievable [04:19] patch is 4 lines btw [04:20] Hah, nice... So, think the standard is interface name? [04:20] i guess it must be [04:21] com.canonical.indicator.sound isn't on the bus, com.canonical.indicator.sound-gtk2 is, and gmusicbrowser is in the sound menu [04:22] so i think this might actually be SRU worthy [04:22] it shouldn't break anything, and it doesn't even have reduced functionality [04:36] ali1234: Do you have good news for LP Bug 1208204 before I write the reply discussing why there is no infrastructure for a 13.10.1 and that if people think the fix is so simple they are encouraged to submit patches & debdiffs? [04:36] Launchpad bug 1208204 in indicator-sound (Ubuntu) "indicator-sound no longer functions with xfce4-indicator-plugin" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1208204 [04:37] skellat: sure, it's fixed [04:37] ppa will build in 20 minutes or so hopefully [04:38] Excellent [04:38] No need to wander down the BOFH road then with the commentators on that bug then [04:38] i don't even understand why it works [04:38] but it works [04:39] ali1234: If it successfully builds, would you be willing to please put this on the Thursday meeting agenda for discussion? [04:39] i don't know how to do that [04:40] also that's today [04:40] * skellat is on the other side of the Atlantic from ali1234 where it is still late Wednesday night [04:40] so... what do you want to discuss about it? [04:41] i mean it's a 4 line patch... it's nothing to do with xubuntu really [04:41] it's the indicator that is broken [04:41] getting it SRU'd will be a matter of convincing ubuntu-desktop it's a good idea (which shouldn't be too hard) [04:41] Just so that we go through the motions for the folks complaining and Look Like We're Taking Official Notice & Action [04:42] ok, sure [04:42] This should be the link for editing the agenda page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings?action=edit&editor=text [04:43] Your LP login credentials would be needed [04:45] done [04:46] Merci beaucoup [04:46] Thank you [04:48] ali1234: I look forward to a wonderful discussion that will be mostly for the record so we can throw a link in the comments to that bug so people can read it and hopefully stop whining as their plea has been attended to [04:48] :-) [07:03] Hey guys, anyone on trusty with their daily machine yet? Worth upgrading? I [07:04] sorry, I was mainly thinking about the indicator plugin, getting the volume applet working etc. [07:06] astraljava, I'm on it, no major changes yet. You could always just enable my gtk3 indicator ppa [07:06] Noskcaj: Thanks, that sounds like a plan, actually. [07:20] astraljava: Or if you read up a bit, there's a 4 line patch to get the gtk2 ones. [07:25] Unit193: Yeah, I just noticed. :) Oh well, got it up already. It's missing an icon, but I don't really care cause I know it's there. Thanks, Noskcaj! [07:42] Interesting, that last update seems to have made the system a tad snappier. Wonder why. [07:56] What got pulled in? [07:58] I can't remember anymore, updates had been sitting in there for a few days until I rebooted just now. [08:00] libido3-0.1-0, avahi-daemon and friends, linux-image-3.11.0-14-generic et al. [08:05] micahg: i have a trivial fix for the gtk2 indicator [08:05] it's a debdiff at the moment [08:08] thing is, i can't figure out who to send a MR to [08:09] ali1234: Can't attach to the bug report and subscribe sponsors? [08:09] i could, but would that cause the bug to get fixed "upstream"? [08:09] does upstream even exist? [08:09] nobody seems to know... [08:10] the ppa build btw: https://launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/+archive/indicator-sound-gtk2 [08:11] https://launchpad.net/indicators-gtk2 only upstream I know of for gtk2, but I've not tracked it much. [08:11] Yeah my understanding is nobody maintains the gtk2 versions anymore, but I could be wrong. It's been a while since I've heard anything about that stuff. [08:11] astraljava: Not far off at least. [08:11] somebody must maintain it - it got uploaded to saucy [08:13] Just copied on up (and fixed control file) [08:13] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/indicator-sound-gtk2/+changelog [08:15] mr_pouit: you know anything 'bout this? [09:58] good morning all [10:01] knome: ping [11:17] knome: i fixed the gtk2 indicator you know... [11:17] i got tired of all the complaining [11:17] in the end it took about 2 hours [11:20] ali1234: you definitely should've started working on xubuntu 6 months ago already... [11:20] i started working on it the same day i started using it :) [11:22] you're right though. i should have known the writing was on the wall for gnome-panel [11:22] a year ago or more [11:23] yeah, well unless you're a fan of the mate/cinnamon idea [11:23] mate is too big a project [11:23] how do you want me to send you the panel-config btw? [11:23] yeah, it's huge... [11:23] panelconfig.py save ochosi.tar.bz2 [11:23] then send me the bz2 any way you want [11:24] and much of it seems to be s/gnome/mate/ [11:24] yeah, i've already created the bz2 [11:24] yeah, i really don't like when people go crazy on the source with sed... it just makes problems [11:24] i was wondering how you want it (email, pastebin) [11:24] the consort project had a better idea... just fork the stuff that you actually want to change [11:24] sadly that was abandoned [11:24] email is fine [11:26] ok, sent [11:27] heh, yeah, description metadata should be added [11:27] i guess description.txt and maybe screenshot.png inside the bz2 [11:28] sounds good! [11:28] could you please try my panel layout? [11:28] also it needs to scan /usr/share/panelconfigs or something [11:28] cause it uses the relative-width feature of the panel [11:29] and i wonder whether that works on other resolutions [11:29] (mine is 1280x800) [11:29] it looks kind of messed up [11:29] :/ [11:29] maybe it's supposed to be like that [11:29] i was afraid that absolute coordinates are saved [11:30] nah... it should never use absolute [11:30] just one panel right? [11:30] | Panel1 (40% width) | Panel2 (20%) | Panel3 (40%) | [11:30] oh, i see [11:30] Panel1=whiskermenu [11:30] Panel2=clock [11:30] Panel3=indicators, tray [11:31] panel 3 isn't big enough for all my indicators [11:31] how do you switch between windows?? [11:32] i use plank [11:32] although not for window-switching [11:32] i only use tabwin for that [11:32] actually plank is there for other ppl who use my computer, i use kb-shortcuts mostly [11:33] can we patch screenshot tool to use an image host that doesn't require a password, like imagebin or imgur? [11:33] yeah, we should... [11:34] screenshooter is really a nice tool, but the zimagez-aspect sucks [11:34] or maybe even U1 [11:35] true [11:35] (or dropbox) [11:35] u1 does not require a password? [11:35] http://imagebin.org/index.php?mode=image&id=280675 [11:35] brainwash: not every single time, no [11:35] so you mean the login process? [11:36] ali1234: that looks about right, was it like that when you loaded it? [11:36] yeah [11:36] ok, cool [11:36] or wait, who were you answering now? :) [11:37] you :) [11:37] ok, good [11:37] brainwash: dunno what you mean... [11:37] with U1 you login once and it's remembered forever... you can share files on the dbus api [11:37] yeah, i had to set my password for zimagez to something very unsafe in order to make the submitting-process less annoying.. [11:37] I mean you need an account for u1, but it's optional for zimagez, or? [11:38] brainwash: it's not optional with the screenshot tool, it demands you enter your password every single time you want to share an image [11:39] slickymaster, pong [11:39] ali1234: how hard would you say is it to add more sources to the screenshooter? [11:39] morning knome [11:39] no idea [11:39] save the password? [11:39] brainwash: thing is though, i don't want yet another account [11:39] brainwash: yeah, securely...? distribution-independent? ... [11:39] good day ochosi [11:39] morning knome [11:39] knome: can you please merge https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/ubuntu-manual-tests/+merge/197801 and update the tracker? [11:40] plain text only visible to the user? like the mail watcher plugin? [11:40] knome: it's a simple fix, just a mere grammar correction [11:40] slickymaster, i'll do that. [11:40] brainwash: hmpf, yeah, i think that was the reason there is no option to save the password... [11:41] knome: another thing, I've already made https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1256910 and I'll propose a merge tonight, but as elfy is recovering can you review it? [11:41] Ubuntu bug 1256910 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Test Needed : Mugshot" [Undecided,In progress] [11:42] ochosi: or keep in the memory for like 10min (timestamp)? [11:42] brainwash: yeah, i think at the moment the problem is that the screenshooter isn't under development [11:43] slickymaster, review what? the merge when you've done it? [11:43] ochosi: but ali1234 is our secret weapon :) [11:44] slickymaster, 197801 merged and pushed to tracker [11:44] knome: yeah, I will propose it to merge tonight. I'm not able to do it at work because I'm behind a proxy [11:44] brainwash: indeed ;) [11:44] slickymaster, sure, but was that what you were asking? [11:44] knome: yes [11:44] mm, sure, i can do it [11:45] though ochosi or bluesabre would be better persons to review if it's correct [11:45] I'll ping then [11:45] i can then merge and push [11:45] knome: okie dokie. thanks [11:45] we have a meeting today at 19UTC [11:45] knome: going to miss said meeting [11:46] * ochosi probably too... [11:46] ali1234: will the changes for the smooth greeter/desktop transition get merged automatically at some point or do the patches need to be backported before trusty gets released? [11:46] it's dinner-time here and we're invited, so... [11:46] brainwash: they should get merged in 4.11 [11:46] only xfwm4 is still waiting for stuff to get merged [11:46] bluesabre, ochosi: see what slickymaster just asked though, maybe you can help with that [11:46] ali1234: ok [11:46] yeah, not sure we get xfwm4 4.11 in trusty [11:46] owever it will need a distropatch to enable MONITOR_ROOT_PIXMAP [11:47] the greeter and the desktop will be fixed more or less automatically [11:47] slickymaster: let me know when you do your merge request :) [11:47] so xfwm will not be upgraded to 4.11 for trusty? [11:48] bluesabre: of course, no problem [11:48] brainwash: i'm not sure, probably not (i would be in favor though) [11:48] don't think we've really discussed xfwm4 for trusty [11:48] are there any xfwm4 branches that add touch events to the wm? [11:48] no, i don't think we did [11:49] is olivier the only one who can/will/won't approve to xfwm? [11:49] no, nick seems to be running the show now [11:50] olivier hasn't been around for ages [11:50] nick is basically the xfce project leader and reviews/merges code for all core-components [11:51] he's also the one who has contributed to all parts of xfce (well, like guys before him did, e.g. JPohlmann) [11:52] ochosi, ok, so basically we could get patches in via nick [11:52] olivier ocassionally appears on the MLs to shoot down xfwm4 suggestions [11:52] :) [11:52] yeah, he's plain wrong on that one btw [11:52] bluesabre, ssshhhh, this is a logged channel :P [11:52] "occasionally" = once [11:52] once a year [11:52] #undo [11:52] knome: yes [11:52] ok, that's good enough for me [11:52] what do we want in? [11:52] is it relesae-critical? [11:53] or is it just something that would be "nice to have" [11:53] well for the greeter-transition, there is something we wanna cherry-pick [11:53] okay [11:53] well my stuff is all features, cosmetic bugfixes, and memory leak fixes [11:53] feature-wise, there's zoom for xfwm4 [11:54] and the new tabwin which introduces mouse-click events and much nicer theming support [11:54] i don't know if the features are something we want to argue about (unless we want them really badly), but bugfixes and memory leak fixes should get in [11:54] (mouse-click events are nice for touchscreens) [11:54] +1 [11:54] i guess [11:54] that's not the primary target group for xubuntu though [11:55] zooming is a killer feature [11:55] yeah, i wasn't explaining that specifically for xubuntu [11:55] ali1234: +1 [11:55] so many people told me they miss compiz zooming [11:55] knome: i was just explaining it in general cause ppl might wonder why mouse is important in alt-tab [11:55] no other WM except kwin has zooming at all... and in kwin it sucks [11:56] also, the patch for zoom is really small... [11:56] features are a slippery slope to get in [11:56] fixes we should push nick to merge [11:57] well the question with the fixes is whether they get backported to 4.10 [11:57] if not, we'd need xfwm4 4.11 [11:57] yep [11:57] he was positive about accepting all my stuff [11:57] it's just a matter of getting around to it [11:57] yeah, i'm sure he'll merge it [11:58] if he was... then let's do it :P [11:58] he just told me so a few days ago [11:59] ochosi: can i commit your panel config on the repo? [11:59] ok, i'm off [11:59] see you later [12:00] ali1234: sure, thanks! [12:03] ok, pushed [12:04] brainwash: did you get to test https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/1163886/comments/45 [12:04] Ubuntu bug 1163886 in webkit (Ubuntu) "software-center crashed with signal 5 with WebKit 2.0+" [Critical,Confirmed] [12:04] ochosi: just out of interest... why did you use 3 panels like that? [12:05] I haven't been able to test it just yet. Planning on doing it this afternoon [12:09] ali1234: otherwise it's impossible to keep the clock absolutely centered [12:09] ah, i see, yes [12:09] it's a bit silly, i agree [12:09] bluesabre and me were thinking about creating a container-plugin for something like that at some point [12:09] gnome-panel 3 has something a bit like that [12:09] yeah [12:10] i don't know how they do it though [12:10] it uses relative positioning, but each panel has three independent areas [12:10] i mean the thing is that xfce panel is extremely flexible [12:10] ah nice [12:10] that's a cool idea [12:10] so it works like your 3 panel setup, except it's all one panel [12:10] doesn't even sound like it's extremely hard to code [12:10] probably not at all [12:10] btw, i always wanted window-titles in xfwm4 to have an option for absolute centering... [12:11] very trivial patch, but that one was shot down by olivier :p [12:11] biggest challenge would be adding the required GUI changes [12:11] absolute centering? [12:12] nope, do not want :) [12:15] well currently it depends on the amount of buttons in the decoration whether the title is really centered [12:15] that's kinda odd, no? [12:16] no [12:17] http://ubuntuone.com/4YlgAZNtOhGhD5gsq4pBWg [12:18] this window would look funny if the title was absolute centered [12:18] in my opinion anyway... [12:19] yeah, i know, small windows are very the absolute centering craps out [12:19] but somehow other wms also manage it [12:19] i guess they set a treshold width [12:19] yes, but on large windows you can't really tell it's not absolute centered anyway [12:20] i guess you can if you have a clock in the center top panel :) [12:20] exactly ;) [12:20] also [12:21] i thought xfwm4 had a center-snap feature (doesn't seem to work now for some reason) [12:22] what is center snap? [12:22] taking a window and dragging it to the center-top of the screen it'll snap on horizontally being centered [12:23] at least i do remember this feature, maybe i'm just misremembering things [12:23] like when you drag a window to the top and it maximizes? [12:23] never saw that feature [12:23] hmm... i might implement windows 7 side snapping :) [12:24] if you mean tiling, that's already there [12:24] trouble is it conflicts with workspace switching [12:24] ali1234: the side snapping is already there [12:24] ah [12:24] true [12:24] :) [12:24] doesn't work for me [12:24] which is why you have to deactivate workspace-switching for it to work ;) [12:24] you can also attach it to keyboard shortcuts in the window manager settings [12:25] (it doesn't look as cool as in compiz though) [12:25] you can disable multiple workspaces or disable workspace wrapping [12:26] (you can always right-click the titlebar and move it or drag with the workspaces panel plugin [12:26] cool... bound it to the keyboard [12:26] well one option would be to add a modifier for one of those actions [12:26] but alt is already taken [12:27] alt+numpad for each side [12:27] needs top-left etc so i can have 4 windows :) [12:28] true [12:28] yeah, thats the one thing I'd like to steal from kde [12:29] hard to do for the mouse though [12:29] unless you just bind it to a "corner-area" [12:29] bluesabre: or unity :P [12:37] ah :) [12:39] how does unity/compiz do it? alt-drag window to a corner? [12:43] everything is configrable [12:43] by default you just drag it to the edge [12:43] you have to push against the edge to change workspace [12:46] slickymaster: works, commenting the mentioned line disables the banner in the software-center [12:47] brainwash: I'll confirm you that, this afternoon :) [12:51] slickymaster: so it looks like some packages have been upgraded in trusty (until now those new package versions were only offered by the gnome3 ppa) [12:53] ochosi, ali1234: most of the time indicator-application-service fails to start -> "no watchers, service timing out." [12:55] brainwash: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2013-December/004358.html [12:55] got run for now [12:55] bbç [12:55] bbl === s is now known as Guest10045 [14:29] knome, bluesabre, https://code.launchpad.net/~slickymaster/ubuntu-manual-tests/mugshot/+merge/197873 at your disposal for review [15:58] brainwash: meaning? [15:58] you're not supposed to run the services manually - they use dbus activation [15:59]