[00:22] sorry, I'll be back in a bit [00:30] hey guys [03:05] acabo de cambiar la configuraion de video en kubuntu y me inia con pantalla negra luego de cargar el sistema [03:10] * manchicken doesn't speak that language... [03:27] yeah, I couldn't tell if that was Spanish [03:28] it looks like it but *shrugs* [03:28] KDE has a ES channel though, no? [03:50] !es [03:50] En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro. [03:52] and valorie saves us again ;) [03:54] ha [03:55] you mean, valorie leans on the crutch of ubottu again [03:55] so much easier than remembering === jono is now known as Guest52213 [07:59] Good morning. [08:01] ::workspace-bugs:: [1258422] Maximized windows go under panel if panel attached to screen edge between two monitors @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1258422 (by kolen) [08:06] morning lordievader! [08:10] Hey unicodesnowman, how are you? [08:10] I'm good, thanks, waiting for marble to build at the moment [08:11] Marble, not a piece of software I'm familiar with. === ovidiu-f- is now known as ovidiu-florin === vinay is now known as Guest48479 [09:03] ::workspace-bugs:: [1258422] Maximized windows go under panel if panel attached to screen edge between two monitors @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1258422 (by kolen) === seaLne_ is now known as seaLne [09:32] bug 1258447 [09:32] bug 1258447 in Kubuntu PPA "Packages of KDE 4.11.97 incomplete for Saucy 64-bit" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1258447 [09:36] looks about right - except l10n [09:36] * yofel_ uploads that === yofel_ is now known as yofel [09:55] apachelogger: is there a way to see on web your phonon example ? [10:05] ::workspace-bugs:: [1257746] /usr/bin/ksplashqml:11:QObject::setProperty:_start @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1257746 (by errors.ubuntu.com bug bridge) [10:05] ::workspace-bugs:: [1258088] /usr/bin/krunner:TypeError:reloadConfiguration @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1258088 (by errors.ubuntu.com bug bridge) [10:07] errors.ubuntu.com bug bridge o.O? [10:08] thanks yofel [10:08] yofel: some clever thing where apachelogger is linking up whoopie reports to launchpad bugs? [10:10] more likely his new whoopsie connection making errors file bugs for us I guess ^^ [10:11] on errors.ubuntu you get a button to file a bug automagically [10:11] s/button/link [10:11] ah, sweet [10:31] X-KDE-Keywords= in kcm-whoopsie doesn't contain whoopsie so I didn't find anything when searching for whoopsie [10:31] apachelogger: ↑ [10:32] why would a user search for whoopsie? [10:32] apachelogger: because they've been told "test kcm-whoospie" :) [10:33] then one should tell them to use kcmshell4 whoopsie to start it? :P [10:33] or simply not use technobabble :P [10:33] To git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/kcm-whoopsie [10:33] b4e8948..bd4ba7d master -> master [10:34] !info libphonon4 trusty [10:34] libphonon4 (source: phonon): multimedia framework from KDE - core library. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.7.0.0-2ubuntu3 (trusty), package size 144 kB, installed size 572 kB [10:34] !info libphonon4qt5 trusty [10:35] Package libphonon4qt5 does not exist in trusty [10:35] no qt5 build? :( [10:35] <- sad upstream [10:36] apachelogger: we're still on 4.6.0, I can fix that today if it'll make you happy [10:36] apachelogger: 4.7.0 can be built for qt5 as well as qt4 right? [10:38] ScottK: did you approve some of the 4.11.3 SRU packages? [10:38] Riddell: yes, see http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/phonon/phonon4qt5.html [10:38] Riddell: also trusty is on 4.7 it says, unless we have <4.7 backends [10:39] apachelogger: oh good point [10:39] still I'll look at the qt5 package [10:40] \o/ [10:40] * apachelogger sends kisses [10:41] Riddell: actually you can push 4.7.1 as well [10:42] apachelogger: so how do I get whoopsie to do anything? [10:42] Riddell: sudo restart whoopsie [10:42] apachelogger: phonon 4.7.0 is all that's on kde depot server [10:42] Riddell: .1 should arrive soon see #kde-devel [10:42] according to pitti there's a bug in whoopsie that prevents it from reliably reporting stuff [10:43] however it seems to always send a report after startup [10:43] oh and I think you need to get apport to come up and go to continue [10:43] otherwise there won't be a .upload file and whoopsie will not send data [10:43] apachelogger: if I killall -SEGV dolphin then I just get drkonqi, should something else happen? [10:44] or will it not work for KDE applications? [10:44] that depends on how apport fits into the picture [10:45] Riddell: what happens is: crash -> apport -> writes crash file to /var/crash/ -> user wants to report the crash (apport-kde) -> apport creates a .upload file in /var/crash/ -> whoopsie uploads data [10:46] apachelogger: ah but it doesn't get started with KDE stuff because crash -> drkonqi [10:47] apport hooks into the crash regardless of drkonqi AFAIK [10:47] check /var/crash/ [10:47] you should have a crash file for dolphin in there [10:47] all of that somewhat ties into https://trello.com/c/3qlMcV3D [10:50] if drkonqi catches it I don't think it gets as far as apport writing to /var/crash [10:52] I do not know [10:52] in that case we'd want to use python3-apport to generate the crash file pitti said [10:52] which seems sensible [10:52] and it then needs kubuntu-notification-helper to start apport [10:53] Riddell: http://community.kde.org/Phonon/Releases links [10:54] ooh new phonon releases! [10:54] apachelogger: I don't suppose there's any sign of gstreamer 1.0 support on the horizon? [10:55] dvratil is working on that, not sure when he plans to release it [10:55] cool [10:55] it's apparently not double freeing amarok anymore at least ^^ [10:56] one freeze is better than two [10:57] but really how hard can this multimedia stuff be? it's just sending bytes to /dev/pcm isn't it? [10:59] yeah :P [10:59] /dev/pcm: ERROR: cannot open `/dev/pcm' (No such file or directory) [10:59] :P [10:59] well that'll be why amarok double freezes [10:59] try using /dev/dsp instead [11:00] hmm, kubuntu-notitications-helper isn't running apport-kde [11:00] this seems like a bug [11:00] which I guess we don't notice because kde stuff just runs drkonqi before it even gets that far [11:02] it does work at times [11:02] apachelogger: have you managed to send a report with whoospie? [11:03] Riddell: yeah [11:03] don't ask me how [11:03] :P [11:03] oh [11:03] Riddell: you have to watch syslog [11:03] takes a while until stuff appears on the website [11:04] so maybe it's just my kubuntu-notitications-helper which is broken [11:07] maybe there's a setting somewhere that needs to be flipped [11:07] Riddell: so, make sure you have a good report in /var/crash [11:08] then touch /var/crash/$CRASHNAME.upload [11:08] then sudo restart whopsie [11:08] and watch syslog [11:08] it should shortly after start send the report to the server [11:08] after that a file .uploaded should be there as well IIRC [11:09] -rw-r----- 1 me whoopsie 15942049 Dec 6 12:05 _opt_project-neon5_bin_codeine.1000.crash [11:09] -rw-r--r-- 1 me whoopsie 0 Dec 6 12:05 _opt_project-neon5_bin_codeine.1000.upload [11:09] -rw------- 1 whoopsie whoopsie 0 Dec 6 12:07 _opt_project-neon5_bin_codeine.1000.uploaded [11:12] Riddell: I did not. [11:12] I've been killer busy lately. [11:12] ScottK: ok, I wonder who it was [11:13] apachelogger: hmm kubuntu-notitications-helper says apport isn't doing something for me http://pastebin.kde.org/pw0wlzckt [11:14] apportProcess->setProgram(QStringList() << "/usr/bin/python" << "/usr/share/apport/apport-checkreports"); [11:14] that needs to be python3 [11:14] tsk, I wonder how long that's been broken for :( [11:19] why do we need that anyway? [11:19] doesn't that bugger have a shebang? [11:21] xD [11:25] apachelogger: good point [11:26] that seems to get things uploaded anyway [11:26] apachelogger: so shall I package up kcm-whoopsie and get into the archive and on the image or is there more to care about? [11:28] Riddell: I'd wait unless you want an early inclusion [11:28] apachelogger: the more testing the better, what's to wait for? [11:28] i.e. there is nothing blocking it, but further changes may be needed [11:29] your call :P [11:29] <- code monkey [11:30] * Riddell calls ook [11:30] but first, fix bug 1258484 [11:30] bug 1258484 in kubuntu-notification-helper (Ubuntu Trusty) "SRU k-n-h does not launch apport" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1258484 [11:31] and SRU [11:31] zomg [11:31] so much work [11:32] Riddell: are we sure the SRUs are worth the effort? apport is off by default in releases anyway, isn't it? [11:32] apachelogger: hmm good question [11:32] or at least that was our plan at some point [11:32] does that make whoopsie off too? [11:32] for now yes [11:32] until drkonqi gets whoopsie handling ;) [11:32] actually that's an interesting question [11:33] Riddell: mhh, as I said... it all somewhat ties into the apport card ... how we want to continue using apport [11:33] because to get the most out of whoopsie we'd have to use apport in some capacity [11:34] seeing as drkonqi won't handle !kapplications [11:34] 11:33 < ev> apport doesn't report to Launchpad post-release [11:34] 11:33 < ev> but it still reports to daisy.ubuntu.com (via whoopsie) [11:34] fancy [11:34] but since we don't use whoopsie in our releases so far it's not worth backporting [11:34] that workflow would work for me [11:34] Riddell: right [11:34] a general problem is drkonqi vs. apport though [11:35] having two UIs that do more or less the same is ewww [11:35] seems like it might be worth getting drkonqi to send to whoopsie [11:35] that means replicating parts of apport inside drkonqi [11:35] but yeah that seems like the best option at hand [11:36] well hopefully it's a simple dbus call? [11:36] don't think so ;) [11:37] we'd want apport-kde to be gone in favor of drkonqi [11:37] or the other way around (which is kind of what we went away from) [11:38] in a stable release we have two use cases 1) kde applications crashes -> drkonqi comes up -> handles bug report to bugs.kde.org 2) any application crashes -> apport crash file needs to be created -> dialog needs to pop up informing the user asking for permission to send the crash report via whoopsie [11:38] hah, all my top reports on errors.ubuntu.com are for ubiquity [11:38] https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2013.10&user=kubuntu-bugs&period=year [11:38] I suggest filtering by user=kubuntu-bugs [11:39] since that's all the packages we care about [11:39] Riddell: is that the only package you are subscribed to for directly? [11:39] possibly since we handle all subscriptions through ~kubuntu-bugs [11:39] mm that might be it [11:40] Riddell: do you want me to fix that knh bug or are you doing it? [11:40] apachelogger: I'm onto it [11:41] can anyone reproduce bug 737856 [11:41] apachelogger: how come anything gets reported to errors.kde.org? wouldn't they all go to drkonqi? [11:41] bug 737856 in synaptiks (Ubuntu) "synaptiks crashed with KeyError in __getitem__(): u'No such property: NAME'" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737856 [11:41] Riddell: the ones that are there are not handled by drkonqi I presume [11:42] like that pyrunner trace doesn't actually crash krunner it crashes the python runtime inside krunner [11:42] mm [11:42] kde-nm-connection-editor and kded crashes are weird though [11:43] I was under the impression those would go through drkonqi [11:43] maybe they're not KApplications ? [11:44] the kde-nm thing should be [11:44] kde-nm-connection-editor --help [11:44] --help-kde [11:44] only available when using kapplication [11:45] it's possible that drkonqi is deactivated though [11:45] mm [11:45] e.g. bug report mail address provided [11:45] mh, according to the about dialog that's not the case [11:46] killall -SEGV kde-nm-connection-editor brings up drkonqi [11:46] I dunno [11:46] really weird [11:48] Riddell: how did we deactivate drkonqi previously anyway? [11:48] kdelibs 3.5.10 doesn't have any patches regarding either apport or drkonqi [11:48] !info apport-kde hardy [11:48] 'hardy' is not a valid distribution: extras, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, quantal, quantal-backports, quantal-proposed, raring, raring-backports, raring-proposed, saucy, saucy-backports, saucy-proposed, stable, testing, trusty, trusty-backports, trusty-proposed, unstable [11:49] ubottu: :@ [11:50] kbuildsycoca.cpp: KCrash::setCrashHandler(KCrash::defaultCrashHandler); [11:50] kded.cpp: KCrash::setFlags(KCrash::AutoRestart); [11:50] so I guess they stop those using drkonqi [11:51] apachelogger: we had a patch in kde4libs kubuntu_07_apport_not_drkonqi.diff: [11:51] ah [11:51] can you paste that? [11:51] which said if apport installed don't run drkonqi [11:52] Riddell: nevermind, found it [11:53] ah yes, straight forward [11:53] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/karmic/kde4libs/karmic/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_07_apport_not_drkonqi.diff [11:54] so it would be more complex if we wanted drkonqi to still run because we'd need /var/crash to get written out which drkonqi stops happening [11:55] apachelogger: I think the Messages.sh is wrong making kde-config-whoopsie.pot [11:55] if it's registerPlugin("kcm-whoopsie") [11:55] yeah [11:55] it should be kcm-whoopsie.pot no? [11:56] To git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/kcm-whoopsie [11:56] bd4ba7d..3caa6e5 master -> master [11:57] on that note... I was thinking about having xx translations a la kde generated [11:57] makes it easier to spot unl10nd/uni18nd stuff [11:57] apachelogger: for kcm-whoopsie or for everything? [11:57] at least kubuntu applications [11:58] apachelogger: I've suggested this to launchpad people at some time in the past and they weren't too keen on it [11:58] :S [11:58] for reasons that escaped me [11:58] it's the most sensible thing in the world [11:58] might be worth trying again but I guess it needs various people to put the various parts together [11:59] E: kde-config-whoopsie: description-synopsis-is-duplicated [11:59] naughty boy! [12:00] To git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/kcm-whoopsie 3caa6e5..8ef2b60 master -> master [12:03] Riddell: feel free to make something up :P [12:05] * apachelogger should move that to bzr [12:05] brrrrr [12:10] so. stickers left from Australia this morning. should be here in less than 10 working days. [12:10] jussi: in time for christmas! [12:11] email me with your address if you need some for a particular event or reason [12:11] jussi: fosdem for sure [12:11] :) [12:16] apachelogger: uploaded to archive and added on seed, needs a new review by someone before we can get it [12:19] <3 [12:25] the amount of mails one has to send for releases ... [12:43] ooh I missed this http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/10/msg00006.html Debian Policy 3.9.5.0 released [12:43] so did lintian by the looks of it :) [12:44] stupid lintian [12:44] Riddell: I think we want to SRU kscreen 1.0.2 [12:45] all the errors without a retrace in kdelibs-bin/kded are supposedly this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323923 [12:45] KDE bug 323923 in libkscreen "kded4 crashes on startup due to kscreen kded module" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] [12:45] bug 1254125 agrees [12:45] bug 1254125 in libkscreen (Ubuntu Saucy) "Please update kscreen to 1.0.2.1" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1254125 [12:46] ah [12:46] cool cool ^^ [12:46] apachelogger: needs to wait until tuesday before it can go in -updates [12:46] roger [12:48] wow, fosdem must have the biggest concentration of geeks [12:49] unicodesnowman: fosdem is totally awesome [12:49] unicodesnowman: you should a) come and b) give a talk, crossdesktop room is looking for them now [12:49] "how I because an elite kubuntu ninjas starting with just one google code in task" :) [12:50] hehe [12:50] Howdy folks [12:51] Riddell: dude, learn english :P [12:51] yo Blueskaj [12:51] unicodesnowman: I can make more GCI tasks if you want them, package merges would be a fun next step :) [12:52] ^ for some definition of fun [12:52] hmm, sounds interesting, but what exactly are package merges? [12:53] oh, merging debian changes to ubuntu packages? [12:53] unicodesnowman: in ubuntu we get our packages from debian then add our own bugs (as debian people like to say) [12:53] unicodesnowman: but when debian updates their package the two then need merged [12:53] https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html lists a load [12:53] hey app [12:53] err apachelogger :) [12:54] ::runtime-bugs:: [1112696] drkonqi crashed with SIGABRT in qt_message_output() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1112696 (by steinhauser christian) [12:55] I'm being indoctrinated with distro propaganda already :) I'm not really good at C++ through, I do have programming experience in other languages [12:56] c++ is scary, that's why we use python a lot in ubuntu [12:56] I'd be happy to work on tasks if I won't cause more trouble than it's worth! [12:56] apachelogger especially likes python [12:56] unicodesnowman: I'll make a gci task for some universe merges then [12:56] python *rollseyes* [12:57] I'm more of a javascript guy, I use it for web code to web servers and even mobile phone apps. (prepares for language hate) [12:57] oh wait, that line was wrong [12:57] \t\tpython *rollseyes* [12:57] never forget the tabs [13:00] the most elite javascript code ever http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fsitter%2Fphonon5-examples.git&a=blob&h=c246975926012271f3a6de1639e3cd3c163e4675&hb=45def8a08f38acf43078a782e46c3ef29cc663d6&f=audioplayer%2Fqml%2Faudioplayer%2Fmain.qml#l131 [13:00] I have no idea what exactly it is doing but if you put in a time in msc it will output a formatted string grouped by hour/minutes/seconds ^^ [13:02] it looks pretty simple [13:02] I know nothing about javascript, but I did buy a book I want to read called "Javascript the good bits" last month [13:02] hello world [13:03] jussi: regarding the plan to migrate the site to wordpress, is that still happening? [13:03] should I ask tsimpson regarding this? [13:07] ovidiu-florin: I don't think there's been any progress, so go ahead and try and progress it [13:08] Riddell: I want to start migrating the Romanian one, but I'm wondering if we'll use the multi lannguage plugin so we only need one site instead of plenty [13:09] Riddell: I'd start the migration of the main site to a server and when it's done we could just move it to a permanent location [13:09] what do you think? [13:13] ovidiu-florin: we can use the multi language plugin if you or someone sets it up to work sure [13:14] Riddell: I've been testing it for the last 3-4 blog posts on my site [13:14] ovidiu-florin: yep, you've got acess to docs.kubuntu.org if you want to use that server [13:14] Riddell: I need another DB [13:14] for that [13:15] I don't have MySQL access [13:15] only for one DB for Kubuntu Romania [13:15] or do I? I haven't tried [13:15] unicodesnowman: dunno if you can see it yet but I made http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/edit/google/gci2013/5885540117250048?validated [13:15] ovidiu-florin: you could use a different WP table prefix? same DB? [13:16] I could, but that would complicate exporting [13:16] ovidiu-florin: I've given you sudo access so you can use mysqladmin to make a database [13:16] oh you'll need a password for mysqladmin [13:16] ok, thank you [13:17] Riddell: cool, I can't see it yet (I'm currently working on another task too), but I'll come out of this being a packaging wizard lol :) [13:17] ScottK: you had the stack exhaustion in akonadi_imap on ssl socket errors, didn't you? [13:18] bug 1258515 [13:18] bug 1258515 in kdepimlibs (Ubuntu Saucy) "/usr/bin/akonadi_imap_resource:11:q_func:QSslSocketBackendPrivate::transmit:QSslSocketBackendPrivate::disconnectFromHost:QSslSocket::qt_static_metacall:QMetaMethod::invoke" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1258515 [13:18] unicodesnowman: how old are you by the way? [13:19] unicodesnowman: and where are you from? [13:19] I'm 0x0F (sorry, always wanted to use that :P) and I'm from Australia [13:19] ah hense the funny sleeping hours :) [13:20] unicodesnowman: isn't the internet laggy in australia? I've always thought that a good reason for not moving there [13:22] Riddell: it's not too bad, CDNs are plenty, service availability is a bigger issue imo. [13:23] hm [13:23] kubotu: script echo 0x0f [13:23] 15 [13:23] kubotu: you are very smart [13:23] smarter than ubottu? [13:24] for sure [13:27] ScottK: that exhaustion should be all fixed in >= 4.11.3 [13:28] ovidiu-florin: tsimpson is your man [13:30] ok, thank you [13:48] trusty-desktop-amd64.iso 06-Dec-2013 05:32 1.0G Desktop image for 64-bit PC (AMD64) computers (standard download) [13:49] the iso is 1GB now ? [13:49] soee: yep [13:49] arbitrary limit [13:49] ok [13:52] at least it uses full speed to download :) [13:53] Riddell: so... about apport ... how about: patch drkonqi to write apport report file and mark it for upload if the user wishes so (covers kapplications in whoopsie) + apport-kde/drkonqi/whatever handles apport files via k-n-h invocation that only allows either sending the crash or not sending it (covers !kapplications in whoopsie) [13:54] apachelogger: dood, you've been playing that Get Lucky song since May [13:54] in neither case stable releases push bugs into launchpad via apport [13:54] Riddell: yeah, tell me about it, no good music released since May [13:54] life's a harsh mistress [13:54] apachelogger: do we want bugs in launchpad? [13:54] no [13:55] we want reports on errors.ubuntu.com [13:55] !kubuntu applications may want that though, but AFAIK ubuntu doesn't push bugs into launchpad from stable releases either [13:55] apachelogger: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [13:56] apachelogger: oh I misread neither as either, fine [13:56] ^^ [13:56] apachelogger: so no change needed to apport or k-n-h ? [13:56] probably not [13:57] we still need to figure out maintenance though [13:57] apachelogger: how hard is it to get drkonqi to write apport files? [13:57] that's the issue I guess [13:58] maintenance of apport-kde? any idea if there's anything it lacks compared to apport-gtk? [13:58] I don't know. It's not maintained [13:59] an no one noticed that it is not even being used [13:59] because it's not maintained [13:59] add it to our tests somewhere? [13:59] writing apport files is "relatively" simple [13:59] getting the information is a bit more work [14:00] apport does weird linux gid/uid stuff [14:01] strictly speaking that is somewhat isolated from drkonqi though [14:02] could be a secondary script that is forked from drkonqi or something [14:05] changes to drkonqi would be a) only invoke the whole magic when the whoopsie setting for crash reports is true b) show a button to submit an automagic report (whoopsie it) c) when the user files a bug with kde whoopsie it in addition to that [14:12] hm [14:12] Riddell: I think there's a bug in the whoopsie desktop file somewhere [14:12] doesn't start via krunner [14:14] apachelogger: which whoopsie desktop file? [14:14] oh kcm? [14:15] To git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/kcm-whoopsie [14:15] 8ef2b60..6301d62 master -> master [14:15] what did you fix? [14:15] krunner invocation [14:15] exec line was bogus [14:16] <- totally did not know that other people can push to one's scratch repos [14:16] rather nifty [14:16] kde manifesto: anyone can commit [14:16] what I don't know is how you find a scratch repo [14:17] can't see it on projects.kde.org [14:17] slowgit [14:17] http://quickgit.kde.org/ lists all the scratches [14:17] that's why it's so slow I guess ^^ [14:18] :) [14:30] updated whoopsie card with things discussed so far [14:35] good stuff === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [15:08] apachelogger: as fiddly as getting this package to build twice is I can take comfort that it was more fiddly for you to get the build system to accept both qt4 and 5 [15:13] ronnoc: hey blue mint man how about pimping neon5 images on bluemint? [16:27] Riddell: lol, yeah :S [16:27] Riddell: I will gladly do that as soon as the site is back up - it's down for a few days for a re-tooling. But will promote 1st thing when up :) [16:28] Riddell: so not perfect, I actually wanted both libraries built in one run === soee_ is now known as soee [19:50] Hi all, [19:50] I'm trying to upgrade to 14.04 using `kubuntu-devel-release -upgrade`. [19:50] Gives me error in 'Setting new software channels' stage saying 404 error extras.ubuntu.com/something not found. [19:51] Happens every time. [19:52] http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/source/Sources 404 [19:52] http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 [19:52] http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 [19:53] To be precise ^ === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [19:56] extras.ubuntu.com doesn't exist for trusty, yet. [19:56] http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ [19:57] Any other way to upgrade to 14.04 [19:57] Guess not [19:57] Updates etc will not be possible, right [19:58] do-release-upgrade [19:58] No available upgrades [19:58] read the man page [19:58] tried that [20:00] Okay great, got it [20:00] -d right [20:00] thanks [20:00] I looked at man kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade [20:00]