[00:22] <unicodesnowman> sorry, I'll be back in a bit
[00:30] <ahoneybun> hey guys
[03:05] <mayky> acabo de cambiar la configuraion de video en kubuntu y me inia con pantalla negra luego de cargar el sistema
[03:10]  * manchicken doesn't speak that language...
[03:27] <jalcine> yeah, I couldn't tell if that was Spanish
[03:28] <jalcine> it looks like it but *shrugs*
[03:28] <jalcine> KDE has a ES channel though, no?
[03:50] <valorie> !es
[03:52] <jalcine> and valorie saves us again ;)
[03:54] <valorie> ha
[03:55] <valorie> you mean, valorie leans on the crutch of ubottu again
[03:55] <valorie> so much easier than remembering
[07:59] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:01] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1258422] Maximized windows go under panel if panel attached to screen edge between two monitors @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1258422 (by kolen)
[08:06] <unicodesnowman> morning lordievader!
[08:10] <lordievader> Hey unicodesnowman, how are you?
[08:10] <unicodesnowman> I'm good, thanks, waiting for marble to build at the moment
[08:11] <lordievader> Marble, not a piece of software I'm familiar with.
[09:03] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1258422] Maximized windows go under panel if panel attached to screen edge between two monitors @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1258422 (by kolen)
[09:32] <apachelogger> bug 1258447
[09:36] <yofel_> looks about right - except l10n
[09:36]  * yofel_ uploads that
[09:55] <Peace-> apachelogger: is there a way to see on web your phonon example ?
[10:05] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1257746] /usr/bin/ksplashqml:11:QObject::setProperty:_start @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1257746 (by errors.ubuntu.com bug bridge)
[10:05] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1258088] /usr/bin/krunner:TypeError:reloadConfiguration @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1258088 (by errors.ubuntu.com bug bridge)
[10:07] <yofel> errors.ubuntu.com bug bridge o.O?
[10:08] <Riddell> thanks yofel 
[10:08] <Riddell> yofel: some clever thing where apachelogger is linking up whoopie reports to launchpad bugs?
[10:10] <yofel> more likely his new whoopsie connection making errors file bugs for us I guess ^^
[10:11] <apachelogger> on errors.ubuntu you get a button to file a bug automagically
[10:11] <apachelogger> s/button/link
[10:11] <yofel> ah, sweet
[10:31] <Riddell> X-KDE-Keywords= in kcm-whoopsie doesn't contain whoopsie so I didn't find anything when searching for whoopsie
[10:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: ↑
[10:32] <apachelogger> why would a user search for whoopsie?
[10:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: because they've been told "test kcm-whoospie" :)
[10:33] <apachelogger> then one should tell them to use kcmshell4 whoopsie to start it? :P
[10:33] <apachelogger> or simply not use technobabble :P
[10:33] <apachelogger> To git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/kcm-whoopsie
[10:33] <apachelogger>    b4e8948..bd4ba7d  master -> master
[10:34] <apachelogger> !info libphonon4 trusty
[10:34] <apachelogger> !info libphonon4qt5 trusty
[10:35] <apachelogger> no qt5 build? :(
[10:35] <apachelogger> <- sad upstream
[10:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: we're still on 4.6.0, I can fix that today if it'll make you happy
[10:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: 4.7.0 can be built for qt5 as well as qt4 right?
[10:38] <Riddell> ScottK: did you approve some of the 4.11.3 SRU packages?
[10:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes, see http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/phonon/phonon4qt5.html
[10:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: also trusty is on 4.7 it says, unless we have <4.7 backends
[10:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh good point
[10:39] <Riddell> still I'll look at the qt5 package
[10:40] <apachelogger> \o/
[10:40]  * apachelogger sends kisses
[10:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: actually you can push 4.7.1 as well
[10:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: so how do I get whoopsie to do anything? 
[10:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: sudo restart whoopsie
[10:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: phonon 4.7.0 is all that's on kde depot server
[10:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: .1 should arrive soon see #kde-devel
[10:42] <apachelogger> according to pitti there's a bug in whoopsie that prevents it from reliably reporting stuff
[10:43] <apachelogger> however it seems to always send a report after startup
[10:43] <apachelogger> oh and I think you need to get apport to come up and go to continue
[10:43] <apachelogger> otherwise there won't be a .upload file and whoopsie will not send data
[10:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: if I killall -SEGV dolphin then I just get drkonqi, should something else happen?
[10:44] <Riddell> or will it not work for KDE applications?
[10:44] <apachelogger> that depends on how apport fits into the picture
[10:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: what happens is: crash -> apport -> writes crash file to /var/crash/ -> user wants to report the crash (apport-kde) -> apport creates a .upload file in /var/crash/ -> whoopsie uploads data
[10:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: ah but it doesn't get started with KDE stuff because crash -> drkonqi
[10:47] <apachelogger> apport hooks into the crash regardless of drkonqi AFAIK
[10:47] <apachelogger> check /var/crash/
[10:47] <apachelogger> you should have a crash file for dolphin in there
[10:47] <apachelogger> all of that somewhat ties into https://trello.com/c/3qlMcV3D
[10:50] <Riddell> if drkonqi catches it I don't think it gets as far as apport writing to /var/crash
[10:52] <apachelogger> I do not know
[10:52] <apachelogger> in that case we'd want to use python3-apport to generate the crash file pitti said
[10:52] <apachelogger> which seems sensible
[10:52] <Riddell> and it then needs kubuntu-notification-helper to start apport
[10:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://community.kde.org/Phonon/Releases links
[10:54] <Riddell> ooh new phonon releases!
[10:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: I don't suppose there's any sign of gstreamer 1.0 support on the horizon?
[10:55] <apachelogger> dvratil is working on that, not sure when he plans to release it
[10:55] <Riddell> cool
[10:55] <apachelogger> it's apparently not double freeing amarok anymore at least ^^
[10:56] <Riddell> one freeze is better than two
[10:57] <Riddell> but really how hard can this multimedia stuff be? it's just sending bytes to /dev/pcm isn't it?
[10:59] <apachelogger> yeah :P
[10:59] <apachelogger> /dev/pcm: ERROR: cannot open `/dev/pcm' (No such file or directory)
[10:59] <apachelogger> :P
[10:59] <Riddell> well that'll be why amarok double freezes
[10:59] <Riddell> try using /dev/dsp instead
[11:00] <Riddell> hmm, kubuntu-notitications-helper isn't running apport-kde
[11:00] <Riddell> this seems like a bug
[11:00] <Riddell> which I guess we don't notice because kde stuff just runs drkonqi before it even gets that far
[11:02] <apachelogger> it does work at times
[11:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: have you managed to send a report with whoospie?
[11:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah
[11:03] <apachelogger> don't ask me how
[11:03] <apachelogger> :P
[11:03] <apachelogger> oh
[11:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: you have to watch syslog
[11:03] <apachelogger> takes a while until stuff appears on the website
[11:04] <Riddell> so maybe it's just my kubuntu-notitications-helper which is broken
[11:07] <apachelogger> maybe there's a setting somewhere that needs to be flipped
[11:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: so, make sure you have a good report in /var/crash
[11:08] <apachelogger> then touch /var/crash/$CRASHNAME.upload
[11:08] <apachelogger> then sudo restart whopsie
[11:08] <apachelogger> and watch syslog
[11:08] <apachelogger> it should shortly after start send the report to the server
[11:08] <apachelogger> after that a file .uploaded should be there as well IIRC
[11:09] <apachelogger> -rw-r----- 1 me       whoopsie 15942049 Dec  6 12:05 _opt_project-neon5_bin_codeine.1000.crash
[11:09] <apachelogger> -rw-r--r-- 1 me       whoopsie        0 Dec  6 12:05 _opt_project-neon5_bin_codeine.1000.upload
[11:09] <apachelogger> -rw------- 1 whoopsie whoopsie        0 Dec  6 12:07 _opt_project-neon5_bin_codeine.1000.uploaded
[11:12] <ScottK> Riddell: I did not.
[11:12] <ScottK> I've been killer busy lately.
[11:12] <Riddell> ScottK: ok, I wonder who it was
[11:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm kubuntu-notitications-helper says apport isn't doing something for me http://pastebin.kde.org/pw0wlzckt
[11:14] <Riddell>     apportProcess->setProgram(QStringList() << "/usr/bin/python" << "/usr/share/apport/apport-checkreports");
[11:14] <Riddell> that needs to be python3
[11:14] <Riddell> tsk, I wonder how long that's been broken for :(
[11:19] <apachelogger> why do we need that anyway?
[11:19] <apachelogger> doesn't that bugger have a shebang?
[11:21] <Peace-> xD
[11:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: good point
[11:26] <Riddell> that seems to get things uploaded anyway
[11:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: so shall I package up kcm-whoopsie and get into the archive and on the image or is there more to care about?
[11:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'd wait unless you want an early inclusion
[11:28] <Riddell> apachelogger: the more testing the better, what's to wait for?
[11:28] <apachelogger> i.e. there is nothing blocking it, but further changes may be needed
[11:29] <apachelogger> your call :P
[11:29] <apachelogger> <- code monkey
[11:30]  * Riddell calls ook
[11:30] <Riddell> but first, fix bug 1258484
[11:31] <apachelogger> and SRU
[11:31] <apachelogger> zomg
[11:31] <apachelogger> so much work
[11:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: are we sure the SRUs are worth the effort? apport is off by default in releases anyway, isn't it?
[11:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm good question
[11:32] <apachelogger> or at least that was our plan at some point
[11:32] <Riddell> does that make whoopsie off too?
[11:32] <apachelogger> for now yes
[11:32] <apachelogger> until drkonqi gets whoopsie handling ;)
[11:32] <apachelogger> actually that's an interesting question
[11:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: mhh, as I said... it all somewhat ties into the apport card ... how we want to continue using apport
[11:33] <apachelogger> because to get the most out of whoopsie we'd have to use apport in some capacity
[11:34] <apachelogger> seeing as drkonqi won't handle !kapplications
[11:34] <Riddell> 11:33 < ev> apport doesn't report to Launchpad post-release
[11:34] <Riddell> 11:33 < ev> but it still reports to daisy.ubuntu.com (via whoopsie)
[11:34] <apachelogger> fancy
[11:34] <Riddell> but since we don't use whoopsie in our releases so far it's not worth backporting
[11:34] <apachelogger> that workflow would work for me
[11:34] <apachelogger> Riddell: right
[11:34] <apachelogger> a general problem is drkonqi vs. apport though
[11:35] <apachelogger> having two UIs that do more or less the same is ewww
[11:35] <Riddell> seems like it might be worth getting drkonqi to send to whoopsie
[11:35] <apachelogger> that means replicating parts of apport inside drkonqi
[11:35] <apachelogger> but yeah that seems like the best option at hand
[11:36] <Riddell> well hopefully it's a simple dbus call?
[11:36] <apachelogger> don't think so ;)
[11:37] <apachelogger> we'd want apport-kde to be gone in favor of drkonqi
[11:37] <apachelogger> or the other way around (which is kind of what we went away from)
[11:38] <apachelogger> in a stable release we have two use cases 1) kde applications crashes -> drkonqi comes up -> handles bug report to bugs.kde.org 2) any application crashes -> apport crash file needs to be created -> dialog needs to pop up informing the user asking for permission to send the crash report via whoopsie
[11:38] <Riddell> hah, all my top reports on errors.ubuntu.com are for ubiquity
[11:38] <apachelogger> https://errors.ubuntu.com/?release=Ubuntu%2013.10&user=kubuntu-bugs&period=year
[11:38] <apachelogger> I suggest filtering by user=kubuntu-bugs
[11:39] <apachelogger> since that's all the packages we care about
[11:39] <xnox> Riddell: is that the only package you are subscribed to for directly?
[11:39] <apachelogger> possibly since we handle all subscriptions through ~kubuntu-bugs
[11:39] <Riddell> mm that might be it
[11:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you want me to fix that knh bug or are you doing it?
[11:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm onto it
[11:41] <apachelogger> can anyone reproduce bug 737856
[11:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: how come anything gets reported to errors.kde.org? wouldn't they all go to drkonqi?
[11:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: the ones that are there are not handled by drkonqi I presume
[11:42] <apachelogger> like that pyrunner trace doesn't actually crash krunner it crashes the python runtime inside krunner
[11:42] <Riddell> mm
[11:42] <apachelogger> kde-nm-connection-editor and kded crashes are weird though
[11:43] <apachelogger> I was under the impression those would go through drkonqi
[11:43] <Riddell> maybe they're not KApplications ?
[11:44] <apachelogger> the kde-nm thing should be
[11:44] <apachelogger> kde-nm-connection-editor --help
[11:44] <apachelogger> --help-kde
[11:44] <apachelogger> only available when using kapplication
[11:45] <apachelogger> it's possible that drkonqi is deactivated though
[11:45] <Riddell> mm
[11:45] <apachelogger> e.g. bug report mail address provided
[11:45] <apachelogger> mh, according to the about dialog that's not the case
[11:46] <apachelogger> killall -SEGV kde-nm-connection-editor brings up drkonqi
[11:46] <apachelogger> I dunno
[11:46] <apachelogger> really weird
[11:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: how did we deactivate drkonqi previously anyway?
[11:48] <apachelogger> kdelibs 3.5.10 doesn't have any patches regarding either apport or drkonqi
[11:48] <apachelogger> !info apport-kde hardy
[11:49] <apachelogger> ubottu: :@
[11:50] <Riddell> kbuildsycoca.cpp:   KCrash::setCrashHandler(KCrash::defaultCrashHandler);
[11:50] <Riddell> kded.cpp:     KCrash::setFlags(KCrash::AutoRestart);
[11:50] <Riddell> so I guess they stop those using drkonqi
[11:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: we had a patch in kde4libs kubuntu_07_apport_not_drkonqi.diff:
[11:51] <apachelogger> ah
[11:51] <apachelogger> can you paste that?
[11:51] <Riddell> which said   if apport installed don't run drkonqi
[11:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: nevermind, found it
[11:53] <apachelogger> ah yes, straight forward
[11:53] <Riddell> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/karmic/kde4libs/karmic/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_07_apport_not_drkonqi.diff
[11:54] <Riddell> so it would be more complex if we wanted drkonqi to still run because we'd need /var/crash to get written out which drkonqi stops happening
[11:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think the Messages.sh is wrong making kde-config-whoopsie.pot
[11:55] <Riddell> if it's registerPlugin<Module>("kcm-whoopsie")
[11:55] <apachelogger> yeah
[11:55] <Riddell> it should be kcm-whoopsie.pot no?
[11:56] <apachelogger> To git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/kcm-whoopsie
[11:56] <apachelogger>    bd4ba7d..3caa6e5  master -> master
[11:57] <apachelogger> on that note... I was thinking about having xx translations a la kde generated
[11:57] <apachelogger> makes it easier to spot unl10nd/uni18nd stuff
[11:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: for kcm-whoopsie or for everything?
[11:57] <apachelogger> at least kubuntu applications
[11:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: I've suggested this to launchpad people at some time in the past and they weren't too keen on it
[11:58] <apachelogger> :S
[11:58] <Riddell> for reasons that escaped me
[11:58] <apachelogger> it's the most sensible thing in the world
[11:58] <Riddell> might be worth trying again but I guess it needs various people to put the various parts together
[11:59] <Riddell> E: kde-config-whoopsie: description-synopsis-is-duplicated
[11:59] <Riddell> naughty boy!
[12:00] <Riddell> To git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/kcm-whoopsie 3caa6e5..8ef2b60  master -> master
[12:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: feel free to make something up :P
[12:05]  * apachelogger should move that to bzr 
[12:05] <apachelogger> brrrrr
[12:10] <jussi> so. stickers left from Australia this morning.  should be here in less than 10 working days.  
[12:10] <Riddell> jussi: in time for christmas!
[12:11] <jussi> email me with your address if you need some for a particular event or reason
[12:11] <Riddell> jussi: fosdem for sure
[12:11] <jussi> :)
[12:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploaded to archive and added on seed, needs a new review by someone before we can get it
[12:19] <apachelogger> <3
[12:25] <apachelogger> the amount of mails one has to send for releases ...
[12:43] <Riddell> ooh I missed this http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2013/10/msg00006.html Debian Policy 3.9.5.0 released
[12:43] <Riddell> so did lintian by the looks of it :)
[12:44] <apachelogger> stupid lintian
[12:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think we want to SRU kscreen 1.0.2
[12:45] <apachelogger> all the errors without a retrace in kdelibs-bin/kded are supposedly this bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=323923
[12:45] <Riddell> bug 1254125 agrees
[12:46] <apachelogger> ah
[12:46] <apachelogger> cool cool ^^
[12:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: needs to wait until tuesday before it can go in -updates
[12:46] <apachelogger> roger
[12:48] <unicodesnowman> wow, fosdem must have the biggest concentration of geeks
[12:49] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: fosdem is totally awesome
[12:49] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: you should a) come and b) give a talk, crossdesktop room is looking for them now
[12:49] <Riddell> "how I because an elite kubuntu ninjas starting with just one google code in task" :)
[12:50] <unicodesnowman> hehe
[12:50] <Blueskaj> Howdy folks
[12:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: dude, learn english :P
[12:51] <apachelogger> yo Blueskaj
[12:51] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: I can make more GCI tasks if you want them, package merges would be a fun next step :)
[12:52] <apachelogger> ^ for some definition of fun
[12:52] <unicodesnowman> hmm, sounds interesting, but what exactly are package merges?
[12:53] <unicodesnowman> oh, merging debian changes to ubuntu packages?
[12:53] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: in ubuntu we get our packages from debian then add our own bugs (as debian people like to say)
[12:53] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: but when debian updates their package the two then need merged
[12:53] <Riddell> https://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html  lists a load
[12:53] <Blueskaj> hey app
[12:53] <Blueskaj> err apachelogger :)
[12:54] <kubotu> ::runtime-bugs:: [1112696] drkonqi crashed with SIGABRT in qt_message_output() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1112696 (by steinhauser christian)
[12:55] <unicodesnowman> I'm being indoctrinated with distro propaganda already :) I'm not really good at C++ through, I do have programming experience in other languages 
[12:56] <Riddell> c++ is scary, that's why we use python a lot in ubuntu
[12:56] <unicodesnowman> I'd be happy to work on tasks if I won't cause more trouble than it's worth! 
[12:56] <Riddell> apachelogger especially likes python
[12:56] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: I'll make a gci task for some universe merges then
[12:56] <apachelogger> python *rollseyes*
[12:57] <unicodesnowman> I'm more of a javascript guy, I use it for web code to web servers and even mobile phone apps. (prepares for language hate) 
[12:57] <apachelogger> oh wait, that line was wrong
[12:57] <apachelogger> \t\tpython *rollseyes*
[12:57] <apachelogger> never forget the tabs
[13:00] <apachelogger> the most elite javascript code ever http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=scratch%2Fsitter%2Fphonon5-examples.git&a=blob&h=c246975926012271f3a6de1639e3cd3c163e4675&hb=45def8a08f38acf43078a782e46c3ef29cc663d6&f=audioplayer%2Fqml%2Faudioplayer%2Fmain.qml#l131
[13:00] <apachelogger> I have no idea what exactly it is doing but if you put in a time in msc it will output a formatted string grouped by hour/minutes/seconds ^^
[13:02] <unicodesnowman> it looks pretty simple
[13:02] <Riddell> I know nothing about javascript, but I did buy a book I want to read called "Javascript the good bits" last month
[13:02] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> jussi: regarding the plan to migrate the site to wordpress, is that still happening?
[13:03] <ovidiu-florin> should I ask tsimpson regarding this?
[13:07] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I don't think there's been any progress, so go ahead and try and progress it
[13:08] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I want to start migrating the Romanian one, but I'm wondering if we'll use the multi lannguage plugin so we only need one site instead of plenty
[13:09] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I'd start the migration of the main site to a server and when it's done we could just move it to a permanent location
[13:09] <ovidiu-florin> what do you think?
[13:13] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: we can use the multi language plugin if you or someone sets it up to work sure
[13:14] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I've been testing it for the last 3-4 blog posts on my site
[13:14] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: yep, you've got acess to docs.kubuntu.org if you want to use that server
[13:14] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I need another DB
[13:14] <ovidiu-florin> for that
[13:15] <ovidiu-florin> I don't have MySQL access
[13:15] <ovidiu-florin> only for one DB for Kubuntu Romania
[13:15] <ovidiu-florin> or do I? I haven't tried
[13:15] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: dunno if you can see it yet but I made http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/edit/google/gci2013/5885540117250048?validated
[13:15] <unicodesnowman> ovidiu-florin: you could use a different WP table prefix? same DB?
[13:16] <ovidiu-florin> I could, but that would complicate exporting
[13:16] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: I've given you sudo access so you can use mysqladmin to make a database
[13:16] <Riddell> oh you'll need a password for mysqladmin
[13:16] <ovidiu-florin> ok, thank you
[13:17] <unicodesnowman> Riddell: cool, I can't see it yet (I'm currently working on another task too), but I'll come out of this being a packaging wizard lol :)
[13:17] <apachelogger> ScottK: you had the stack exhaustion in akonadi_imap on ssl socket errors, didn't you?
[13:18] <apachelogger> bug 1258515
[13:18] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: how old are you by the way?
[13:19] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: and where are you from?
[13:19] <unicodesnowman> I'm 0x0F (sorry, always wanted to use that :P) and I'm from Australia
[13:19] <Riddell> ah hense the funny sleeping hours :)
[13:20] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: isn't the internet laggy in australia? I've always thought that a good reason for not moving there
[13:22] <unicodesnowman> Riddell: it's not too bad, CDNs are plenty, service availability is a bigger issue imo.
[13:23] <apachelogger> hm
[13:23] <apachelogger> kubotu: script echo 0x0f
[13:23] <kubotu> 15
[13:23] <apachelogger> kubotu: you are very smart
[13:23] <unicodesnowman> smarter than ubottu?
[13:24] <apachelogger> for sure
[13:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: that exhaustion should be all fixed in >= 4.11.3
[13:28] <jussi> ovidiu-florin: tsimpson is your man
[13:30] <ovidiu-florin> ok, thank you
[13:48] <soee> trusty-desktop-amd64.iso           06-Dec-2013 05:32  1.0G  Desktop image for 64-bit PC (AMD64) computers (standard download)
[13:49] <soee> the iso is 1GB now ?
[13:49] <Riddell> soee: yep
[13:49] <Riddell> arbitrary limit
[13:49] <soee> ok
[13:52] <soee> at least it uses full speed to download :)
[13:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: so... about apport ... how about: patch drkonqi to write apport report file and mark it for upload if the user wishes so (covers kapplications in whoopsie) + apport-kde/drkonqi/whatever handles apport files via k-n-h invocation that only allows either sending the crash or not sending it (covers !kapplications in whoopsie)
[13:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: dood, you've been playing that Get Lucky song since May
[13:54] <apachelogger> in neither case stable releases push bugs into launchpad via apport
[13:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, tell me about it, no good music released since May
[13:54] <apachelogger> life's a harsh mistress
[13:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: do we want bugs in launchpad?
[13:54] <apachelogger> no
[13:55] <shadeslayer> we want reports on errors.ubuntu.com
[13:55] <apachelogger> !kubuntu applications may want that though, but AFAIK ubuntu doesn't push bugs into launchpad from stable releases either
[13:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: oh I misread neither as either, fine
[13:56] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: so no change needed to apport or k-n-h ?
[13:56] <apachelogger> probably not
[13:57] <apachelogger> we still need to figure out maintenance though
[13:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: how hard is it to get drkonqi to write apport files?
[13:57] <Riddell> that's the issue I guess
[13:58] <Riddell> maintenance of apport-kde? any idea if there's anything it lacks compared to apport-gtk?
[13:58] <apachelogger> I don't know. It's not maintained
[13:59] <apachelogger> an no one noticed that it is not even being used
[13:59] <apachelogger> because it's not maintained
[13:59] <Riddell> add it to our tests somewhere?
[13:59] <apachelogger> writing apport files is "relatively" simple
[13:59] <apachelogger> getting the information is a bit more work
[14:00] <apachelogger> apport does weird linux gid/uid stuff
[14:01] <apachelogger> strictly speaking that is somewhat isolated from drkonqi though
[14:02] <apachelogger> could be a secondary script that is forked from drkonqi or something
[14:05] <apachelogger> changes to drkonqi would be a) only invoke the whole magic when the whoopsie setting for crash reports is true b) show a button to submit an automagic report (whoopsie it) c) when the user files a bug with kde whoopsie it in addition to that
[14:12] <apachelogger> hm
[14:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think there's a bug in the whoopsie desktop file somewhere
[14:12] <apachelogger> doesn't start via krunner
[14:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: which whoopsie desktop file?
[14:14] <Riddell> oh kcm?
[14:15] <apachelogger> To git@git.kde.org:scratch/sitter/kcm-whoopsie
[14:15] <apachelogger>    8ef2b60..6301d62  master -> master
[14:15] <Riddell> what did you fix?
[14:15] <apachelogger> krunner invocation
[14:15] <apachelogger> exec line was bogus
[14:16] <apachelogger> <- totally did not know that other people can push to one's scratch repos
[14:16] <apachelogger> rather nifty
[14:16] <Riddell> kde manifesto: anyone can commit
[14:16] <Riddell> what I don't know is how you find a scratch repo
[14:17] <Riddell> can't see it on projects.kde.org
[14:17] <apachelogger> slowgit
[14:17] <apachelogger> http://quickgit.kde.org/ lists all the scratches
[14:17] <apachelogger> that's why it's so slow I guess ^^
[14:18] <Riddell> :)
[14:30] <apachelogger> updated whoopsie card with things discussed so far
[14:35] <Riddell> good stuff
[15:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: as fiddly as getting this package to build twice is I can take comfort that it was more fiddly for you to get the build system to accept both qt4 and 5
[15:13] <Riddell> ronnoc: hey blue mint man how about pimping neon5 images on bluemint?
[16:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: lol, yeah :S
[16:27] <ronnoc> Riddell: I will gladly do that as soon as the site is back up - it's down for a few days for a re-tooling. But will promote 1st thing when up :)
[16:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: so not perfect, I actually wanted both libraries built in one run
[19:50] <chaudhary> Hi all,
[19:50] <chaudhary> I'm trying to upgrade to 14.04 using `kubuntu-devel-release -upgrade`. 
[19:50] <chaudhary> Gives me error in 'Setting new software channels' stage saying 404  error extras.ubuntu.com/something not found.
[19:51] <chaudhary>  Happens every time.
[19:52] <chaudhary> http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/source/Sources 404
[19:52] <chaudhary> http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404
[19:52] <chaudhary> http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-i386/Packages 404
[19:53] <chaudhary> To be precise ^
[19:56] <shadeslayer> extras.ubuntu.com doesn't exist for trusty, yet.
[19:56] <shadeslayer> http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/
[19:57] <chaudhary> Any other way to upgrade to 14.04
[19:57] <chaudhary> Guess not
[19:57] <chaudhary> Updates etc will not be possible, right
[19:58] <shadeslayer> do-release-upgrade
[19:58] <chaudhary> No available upgrades
[19:58] <shadeslayer> read the man page
[19:58] <chaudhary> tried that
[20:00] <chaudhary> Okay great, got it
[20:00] <chaudhary> -d right
[20:00] <chaudhary> thanks
[20:00] <chaudhary> I looked at man kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade
[20:00] <chaudhary> that one doesn't exist
[20:03] <chaudhary> Ummm I just used `strings `which kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade``
[20:03] <chaudhary> Turns out it's just do-release-upgrade and some flags
[20:04] <lordievader> chaudhary: Or disable the "extra" repos in /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:04] <chaudhary> I guess I should go get some sleep.
[20:04] <chaudhary> aah
[20:04] <chaudhary> lemme try that ;)
[22:06] <Noskcaj> Riddell, What where the changes to qtkeychain that are in the delta? The changelog entry is not very helpful