[10:27] <DanChapman> Good Morning :-)
[10:58] <davmor2> Morning all
[13:46] <pitti> jibel: argh, does *every* effing autopkgtest have to fail now :(
[13:47] <pitti> libchewing is a real failure, libgdata another instance of "test runs on known-uninstallable packages"
[13:47] <pitti> jibel: (nevermind, just whining)
[13:49] <jibel> pitti, because it is Friday.
[13:50] <jibel> DanChapman, I reviewed your MP of ubiquity, looks good but I couldn't test on lubuntu or xubuntu because the session doesn't start
[13:51] <jibel> DanChapman, I tested with the current version too and they dont start either. So I'm tempted to blame the current images and approve your mp
[13:55] <DanChapman> jibel, hey there o/. Lovely thanks :-) They were running fine when I did the MP I haven't tried them the last few days, so I would probably also be inclined to blame the current images. I'll give them a run now, also it looks like that bug is still hanging around??
[13:57] <jibel> DanChapman, I tried with current build
[13:58] <jibel> as of less than 1h ago
[14:33] <jibel> DanChapman, merged and deployed
[14:33] <jibel> DanChapman, do you want me to re-run some tests or wait for next automated run?
[14:38] <DanChapman> jibel, great thanks, might as well wait for the next run of automated tests, the GNOME runs start soonish anyway and see how they all look over the weekend :-) thanks for the review
[15:17] <qengho> phillw, all: Hi hi.  Want to check chromioum before I give upload?  https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/stage
[19:47] <TheLordOfTime> jibel, ping, mind if i bother you for a bit?
[20:00] <TheLordOfTime> bdmurray, ping, have you noticed the major changes to the bug wiki data?  (jibel sent out an email to -quality about it)
[20:01] <TheLordOfTime> (well, CC'd, same difference)
[20:01]  * TheLordOfTime is curious about others' opinions, since jibel and myself have already voiced to some extent disagreements
[20:04] <balloons> TheLordOfTime, I saw your reply
[20:05] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, apart from me obviously having my triaging disrupted from things, opinions on the radical changes ALberto did?
[20:05] <TheLordOfTime> (that disrupted my triaging a bit...)
[20:06] <balloons> TheLordOfTime, it's better practice to not make sweeping changes that you think would have potential to be discussed
[20:06] <balloons> really, even a passing glance or informal disscussion would be better
[20:06] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, so generally the same thing that jibel and myself said, of course i went a little more verbose...
[20:06] <balloons> I'll let Alberto know how to copy pages and setup his new versions without disrupting things
[20:06] <balloons> that's how I would rather see it done
[20:06] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, agreed, that's how its always been done
[20:07] <balloons> I think he wanted to prompt discussion and needed to show what he wanted to do
[20:07] <TheLordOfTime> even with the BUg Squad, a while ago, when we were defining "core" and "non-core" for importance, I opened the discussion up before we changed *anything*
[20:07] <TheLordOfTime> did you read his response to jibel, balloons?
[20:07] <TheLordOfTime> Why I changed pages without asking
[20:07] <TheLordOfTime> - Because I guess letting people make changes and discussing only those on which we don't agree makes further progress, further than speaking everything before hand. And if there's no consensus letting other's opinion to prevail.
[20:07] <TheLordOfTime> i don't understand his reasons
[20:08] <balloons> english is not his native language so it's difficult sometimes :-) But I think I get his points
[20:08] <balloons> he wants to make changes and not sit and wait.. he should make changes, be proactive, ask for discussion and then make the page edits
[20:08] <balloons> if no one responds over a time period, well, he should feel free to make the changes
[20:09] <balloons> but you'll always get a response unless you are the only team member :-)
[20:09] <TheLordOfTime> agreed
[20:13] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, forgive me if i seemed to take a wholly-negative view on his changes, pointing out my concerns with each thing he said in his response... if i seemed too much on the offensive I apologize
[20:13] <balloons> TheLordOfTime, no worries. It was taken out of a defensive position certainly, but we'll keep the conversation going
[20:13] <balloons> Did anyone revert back or are we leaving it alone for now?
[20:14] <TheLordOfTime> it's still at alberto's revs
[20:14] <TheLordOfTime> I agree with jibel though.  "I'd suggest to revert this page to rev 33, (especially the renaming of the page) then discuss your changes."
[20:15] <TheLordOfTime> (rev33 was the last changes I made after the discussion on the bugsquad mailing list about the defining of core and non-core on the page
[20:17] <TheLordOfTime> but i don't have privs apparently so i can't do anything, your call though whether we revert and force the discussion, balloons.
[20:17] <TheLordOfTime> oop
[20:17] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, it's already reverted
[20:17] <TheLordOfTime> by Alberto
[20:18] <balloons> ohh, I see
[20:19] <balloons> lol, I clicked send before I finished the mail
[20:19] <balloons> ohh well
[20:19] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, it needs a name change though AFIACT
[20:19] <TheLordOfTime> but that'll break the links again
[20:20] <TheLordOfTime> since he seems to have suggested he changed the links everywhere to the new page URL
[20:20] <balloons> mm.. redirects are MUCH more appropriate. But why change the name of the page?
[20:22] <TheLordOfTime> exactly
[20:23] <TheLordOfTime> I even stated as such: "Why?" and made note that it's sufficient as it was by URL alone to identify it is about BUg importance
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, i'm all for simplifying the documentation.  I'm not in support at all of changing the URL and page name
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> at all.
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> but that's my opinion
[20:25] <balloons> yes.. there's still many /Testing pages because I'm not changing them all to /QATeam or whatever
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> mhm
[20:25] <balloons> or /Quality
[20:25] <balloons> lol..
[20:25] <TheLordOfTime> heh
[20:36] <TheLordOfTime> balloons, "and make drastic changes there. Then ask others for feedback. Does this make sense? Look at the " Error: Reached End Of Line before sentence was complete.
[20:36] <TheLordOfTime> (grammar nazi mode on :P)
[20:44] <balloons> TheLordOfTime, yes, my email wasn't done when it sent
[20:44] <balloons> remember the convo? I was asking if it had been reverted and hit send on accident
[20:44] <balloons> haha
[20:45] <TheLordOfTime> lol
[21:23] <phillw> qengho: hi, sorry, been on a course today... ppas added and am uploading now.
[21:24] <qengho> phillw, uploading?
[21:24] <phillw> qengho: how much testing do you need? As to if it works with multiple tabs I can do that PDQ
[21:25] <phillw> qengho: sorry... been playing on the server... I mean dowloading :P
[21:26] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: btw, what killed your znc the other night? was it the dreaded OOM as I was told the server itself was still functional?
[21:26] <qengho> phillw, not extensive. precise or q simple tests.
[21:27] <TheLordOfTime> phillw, probably best to ask in the trekweb channel, although it appears i got boucned from your channel o.O
[21:27] <phillw> qengho: if it handle what abuse I give it, and does not go silly with cpu time for facebook would be nice :P
[21:28] <phillw> TheLordOfTime: I was granted primary channel status, so it is now #phillw :D
[21:28] <TheLordOfTime> ah nice
[21:29] <TheLordOfTime> phillw, i privmsg'd you about the details of what happened
[21:41] <phillw> qengho: it has restarted into Version 31.0.1650.63 Ubuntu 13.10 (31.0.1650.63-0ubuntu0.13.10.1~20131204) opened up my 13 tabs which are a mix of bbc news / wiki / launchpad and various other pages quite happily... I'd give it a thumbs up.
[22:01] <phillw> qengho: I've asked on the lubuntu-qa list if any of them are running chromium, it has been cc'd to Chad (unless you are he). but from me, it is fine. Is there any particular bug fixes in the new version we should be looking for?
[22:23] <qengho> phillw, just security update, major version change tho
[22:23] <qengho> phillw, I am C.
[22:34] <phillw> qengho: it is performing perfectly with multiple tabs open. I've not had chance to see if it still hits the OOM error problem.
[22:39] <phillw> qengho: I'd have to re visit the bug and set up test machines again for that. Do they think that they have solved the memory leakage yet? If so, I'd be more than happy to re-run the tests I did last time.
[22:40] <qengho> phillw, i expect no change, but i world like to be surprised.
[22:40] <phillw> do you recall the bug # ?
[22:43] <phillw> qengho: well, if they have, it would silence this.. http://ubuntu.5.x6.nabble.com/Chromium-Memory-Hog-and-Crashing-td5028285.html
[22:45] <phillw> I'm frankly amazed that a company the size of google does not have people to solve a critical memory leak issue. It's the #1 priority of an application!
[22:46] <phillw> but, meh, that's just me getting annoyed at things.. please do not take offence :)
[22:47] <qengho> phillw, i can't see that here, but it may be passive to write javascript that "correctly" makes objects that can't be GC'd..
[22:47] <qengho> possible
[22:50] <phillw> well, if it goes OOM on sites like http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/ then it does have major issues :)
[23:00] <phillw> qengho: you can accept the invite, we do not bite! BTW, I found the bug... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1096603