[00:20] <shauno> I just found the most amazing gizmo.  "RooTooth" adds bluetooth to the roomba.  I think I just found my christmas present
[00:21] <daftykins> what can you then do to the Roomba via bluetooth?
[00:22] <shauno> start/stop it would be the most obvious, but you can take complete control of it over serial
[00:23] <shauno> they already have a serial port that allows this.  this just plugs into the serial port and makes that available, so you're not following it around with a cable
[00:23] <daftykins> :D
[05:30]  * MartijnVdS doesn't see much newness in Trusty yet.. ;)
[07:03] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:30] <knightwise> morning MooDoo
[07:30] <MooDoo> how's it going knightwise ?
[07:40] <knightwise> doing fine , working from home today
[07:40] <MooDoo> nice
[07:40] <knightwise> that means I get to play with office365 and still work on my ubuntu machine
[07:42] <MooDoo> nice, why office365 ?
[07:44] <knightwise> Thats what we use at work
[07:44] <MooDoo> cool
[07:45] <knightwise> and it works great in a browser (currently using Chrome on Ubuntu
[07:46] <MooDoo> awesome, never tried it, normally I use google docs
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> Previous work used Office365, but only for email
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> it SUCKED
[07:50] <knightwise> Office 2013 is a drag , but the web interface of 365 is better then outlook web access
[07:51] <MartijnVdS> it's still buggy though, and quite "heavy" compared to, say, gmail
[07:54] <knightwise> That is true. But if it enables you to use your 'own device" when you are not at work , I kinda lov it
[07:54] <knightwise> just for that
[07:55] <knightwise> mind you , i'm not a serious excel user or anything
[08:00]  * dwatkins signs-up for AlanBell's Ubuntu RPi project
[08:04] <MooDoo> I'm sure he'll appreciate that
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> More pi for everyone 8-)
[08:07] <diplo> Morning all
[08:07] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[08:08] <diplo> How're we all this morning, tis Friday!
[08:08] <MooDoo> diplo: yippee
[08:08] <diplo> Missing Xmas work do, not sure if I'm happy or glad about that!
[08:08] <MooDoo> diplo: mines next week
[08:08] <MartijnVdS> diplo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5nfV3S7sqI
[08:09] <diplo> never really seen anything to do with this Rebecca Black
[08:09] <diplo> I think i switched off when the internet went mad :)
[08:09] <MooDoo> It'll go mad today with the death of nelson mandela
[08:10] <diplo> I did last night, switched normal telly off and went on the media centre
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> yesterday, I cancelled my TV subscription
[08:13] <MartijnVdS> so I'll be stuck with freesat channels and some FTA DVB-T channels :)
[08:18] <diplo> I've debated that a lot recently MartijnVdS, but it keeps the kids quiet so can't decide
[08:21] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: still need a license though
[08:23] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: not in the Netherlands :)
[08:24] <knightwise> grrr
[08:25] <knightwise> banshee seems to be unable to import simple standard playlist files
[08:27] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: :p
[09:00] <foobarry_> knightwise: i#m compelled to use o365 for work,  never used the actual office bits besides email, does it work like google docs?
[09:03] <diplo> Anyone know how to embed a video from youtube ( downloaded in multiple formats ) into an impress doc ?
[09:11] <knightwise> foobarry_: yeah it does
[09:11] <foobarry_> knightwise: can't find it on mine :(
[09:16] <foobarry_> knightwise: do they also request admin access when you try to use activesync?
[09:16] <foobarry_> i've gone from having a good email service on my phone to having to remove email because i won't allow my company remote wipe functionality on my personal device
[09:17] <foobarry_> 99% of devices in use are personal
[09:35] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Miners' Day! :)
[09:42] <MooDoo> JamesTait: morning
[09:42] <MooDoo> morning czajkowski
[09:42] <JamesTait> MooDoo, o/
[09:44] <czajkowski> aloha :)
[09:44] <czajkowski> how are we all
[09:45] <MooDoo> fine and dandy thanks
[09:50] <foobarry> how can i report a bug with a crash file? ubuntu-bug <crash file name> opens the crash window, but click continue does not submit it to LP
[09:51] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:52] <bashrc> g'day
[09:52] <foobarry> oh.. bug 994921
[09:56] <ali1234> foobarry: it does
[09:56] <ali1234> you just have to fiddle
[09:59] <foobarry> i had to edit a conf file :(
[09:59] <foobarry> i think it sends a message that bugs won't get fixed...
[09:59] <popey> what crashed?
[10:00] <SuperMatt> morning guys
[10:00] <MooDoo> mornign SuperMatt
[10:00] <SuperMatt> today I should hear back about a job at rackspace \o/
[10:00] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: you did an interview for rackspace?
[10:00] <foobarry> popey: brasero
[10:00] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: yup! yesterday :)
[10:01] <popey> at teh end of burning?
[10:01] <foobarry> nope
[10:01] <foobarry> just clicking on tracks popey
[10:01] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: wow fingers crossed, want to work there myself on day :D
[10:01] <SuperMatt> I'll let you know what it's like ;)
[10:01] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: if you get it :)
[10:01] <popey> SuperMatt: how are the helpouts going?
[10:02] <SuperMatt> I mean, it could be totally dull or whatever, with their pool tables and xbox ones and stuff
[10:02] <SuperMatt> popey: I've been too busy to do them >.<
[10:02] <SuperMatt> literally, the next 5 nights I'm out dancing
[10:02] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: I've watched videos I know all about what it's like to be a racker :D
[10:02] <foobarry> i'm told its a dupe of an expired bug 438300
[10:02] <SuperMatt> and I've got house hunting interspersed in that
[10:03] <SuperMatt> oh, and hitting the gym to train for a 10K
[10:04] <foobarry> although my bug is from 12.04 and this bug is from 9.10
[10:05] <popey> see if it's known upstream?
[10:05] <popey> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=brasero
[10:09] <foobarry> doesn't seem to be
[10:11] <popey> might be worth filing one
[10:11] <popey> at least write up how it's reproducible
[10:21] <bigcalm> ctrl+alt+<arrow keys> are my best friends. So much so, that I have Windows doing it as well.
[10:23]  * AlanBell just ordered 35 32GB SD cards
[10:24] <MooDoo> AlanBell: anyone would think you've got a cluster to build.
[10:25] <bigcalm> What's the tar argument to preserve permissions?
[10:25] <MooDoo> bigcalm: p?
[10:26] <bigcalm> MooDoo: sounds likely, ta
[10:36] <foobarry> i got banned from another freenode channel soon after asking why ops hadn't banned a persistent troll that had caused channel splits :-|
[10:36] <MooDoo> foobarry: have you spoken to free node staff about it?
[10:36] <foobarry> probably for the best if they aren't going to ban the troll
[10:37] <foobarry> tbh if he is persistent, using /ignore isn't sufficient because everyone else gets sucked in four hours
[10:37] <foobarry> i'm prob better off not in there..
[10:39] <foobarry> MooDoo: its not  worth it
[10:41]  * foobarry wonders if its possible to get RSI through using a mouse. i have persistent tendon type pain in middle right finger when i try to grip things
[10:41] <diplo> Yep definitely
[10:44] <foobarry> only just noticed i've had it for about 6 months
[10:48] <diplo> Try changing the way you work helps
[10:48] <foobarry> i think my hand is on the mouse most of day
[10:48] <MooDoo> hi all, apart from bug testing any point in updating to the new LTS yet?
[10:49] <SuperMatt> not yet, because you really won't get the long term support until it's actually out :P
[10:49] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: i meant for new features etc smarty pants :D
[10:49] <SuperMatt> I normally like to jump on a +1, but right now I'm not sure I'm going to
[10:50] <SuperMatt> when I hear of a killer feature, I might
[10:50] <SuperMatt> so far, there hasn't been much on OMG about trusty
[10:51] <foobarry> they are taling about image updates
[10:51] <foobarry> mainly for mobile devices i guess, unsure if desktop is affected
[10:52] <SuperMatt> not for mobile stuff
[10:52] <SuperMatt> but I'm sure there will be some very key changes
[10:53] <SuperMatt> for anyone upgrading between LTSes, the biggest thing to look out for is that apache has a number of gotchas
[10:54] <SuperMatt> for instance, if you have any virtual hosts files that don't end in .conf, the vhost won't be loaded
[10:54] <SuperMatt> trufax
[10:54] <SuperMatt> not sure if I should raise a bug against that though
[10:54] <SuperMatt> is it a bug in apache, or a bug in the upgrade process?
[10:58] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:58] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:59] <bigcalm> davmor2: have you made sure you're not working next Wednesday evening?
[10:59] <SuperMatt> g'ning!
[11:00] <davmor2> bigcalm: Yeah more important have you :P
[11:00] <bigcalm> :P
[11:01] <bigcalm> My and my wife will be there :)
[11:01] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[11:01] <MooDoo> bigcalm: davmor2 you guys having a party?
[11:01] <davmor2> MooDoo: Wolveslug xmas bashg
[11:01] <davmor2> MooDoo: morning good sir
[11:02] <MooDoo> nice
[11:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: my and my wife hey nice ;)
[11:02] <bigcalm> Heh
[11:02] <bigcalm> I could say Hayley, but I still like saying wife ;)
[11:03] <MooDoo> bigcalm: ewww you recently married?
[11:03] <bigcalm> o.O
[11:03] <MooDoo> bigcalm: i'm teasing chap
[11:03] <MooDoo> :)
[11:03] <bigcalm> Haven't I been spamming here with that for long enough?
[11:03] <bigcalm> :P
[11:16] <daftykins> woohoo the boiler guy just came to look at my gas boiler
[11:16] <daftykins> with any luck, the 1 hour of work should be all that's needed to get it running sensibly again
[11:16] <MooDoo> yay
[11:16] <bigcalm> Yay warmth
[11:17] <daftykins> ah well it was heating fine
[11:17] <daftykins> but the thing was losing pressure all the time, seems it was the expansion unit thing
[11:17] <daftykins> expansion vessel rather
[11:17] <daftykins> quick bicycle pump up of that and we may be back to normal :O
[11:19] <arsen> hihi
[11:20] <daftykins> morning sir
[11:20] <arsen> that it is! just.
[11:20] <arsen> waiting for my Wagamanas Breakfast
[11:20] <arsen> as inevitabtly my lunch will be delivered before 12, annoyingly :(
[11:20] <daftykins> i thought the brand was Wagamama? though i'm unfamiliar with them
[11:21] <arsen> it probably is. :d
[11:21] <daftykins> heh you get delivered lunch? :D
[11:21] <arsen> Wagas not encroached the island yet then?
[11:21] <arsen> yeah, Fridays.
[11:21] <daftykins> you name it, we've not got it
[11:21] <daftykins> although two of our big supermarkets are now Waitrose
[11:22] <daftykins> aaaand we have two Costa coffee shops in town now
[11:22] <arsen> How very Middle Class. :D
[11:22] <daftykins> one is 20 seconds from my door, the other is about 90 seconds :>
[11:22] <daftykins> yeah i still shop mostly at the co-op though
[11:22] <daftykins> which carries the produce of English co-ops but is separate, as we have share numbers and get little 4p stamps with every £1 spent!
[11:23] <arsen> hah cool. my parents pretty much live off Co-Op and Waitrose.
[11:23] <daftykins> they still up Notts way or did they move somewhere?
[11:24] <daftykins> i remember you said they were downsizing, many moons ago
[11:24] <arsen> nope, still in the middle of nowhere.
[11:24] <daftykins> hehehe
[11:24] <arsen> they moved to this huge house split into 'apartments', that are bigger than the average house
[11:24] <daftykins> :D
[11:24] <arsen> never a fan, felt like a bad hotel or an old people's home - so last year they just finished building a house. Much better now imo.
[11:25] <daftykins> hahaha nice
[11:25] <arsen> Eco-house, sustainable/passive heat storage etc, all very clever.
[11:25] <daftykins> O_O
[11:25] <daftykins> that'd be nice
[11:25] <daftykins> if this fix today isn't permanent on my boiler, i may have to consider dropping £1,500-2,000 on a new boiler D:
[11:26] <daftykins> oops repetition.
[11:26] <arsen> that sucks - boilers are .. :( though i think the latest generation ones are all very efficient and cosy.
[11:27] <daftykins> yeah they seem to be all on about these fancy condensing ones now
[11:27] <daftykins> my parents even have a wireless controller/thermostat for theirs O_O
[11:27] <arsen> i dont know if there's any govt grant scheme to encourage boiler upgrades
[11:27] <DJones> daftykins: I had a similar problem because of problem with the expansion, radiators worked fine, but couldn't get hot water, ended up getting a new boiler
[11:27] <daftykins> although were it me, i'd love to get some kind of home automation on the go
[11:27] <daftykins> DJones: that's pretty weird!
[11:27] <arsen> you all sold up in the portsmouth house yeah?
[11:28] <daftykins> arsen: yep i was over that time in late 2011/early 2012 fixing things up - then i think it sold around April
[11:28] <daftykins> then i kicked around back in Guernsey at my parents again - before finding a local place :)
[11:28] <DJones> daftykins: Yeah, it was something to do with a sensor that was supposed to touch the bladder/expansion & wasn't doing it for the hot water
[11:29] <daftykins> DJones: ah - more economical to replace rather than repair was it?
[11:29] <daftykins> that's what this guy is saying for mine, as apparently the whole unit has to come off the wall to replace the expansion vessel D:
[11:30] <DJones> Pretty much, old boiler was 10 years old & could have spent a couple of hundred on the repair because of obsolete parts for something else to go at any point, ended up getting my cousin to fit a new one for just over £1100
[11:30] <dvrr> hiiiii
[11:31] <DJones> Must say the remote is quite handy
[11:31] <arsen> need a ubuntu boiler.
[11:31] <daftykins> mmm same here, got a pretty old Vokera Linea 24 that the guy reckons is between 10 and 15
[11:33] <daftykins> arsen: been having fun and games upgrading the clients' Macbook Pro (mid 2010) to OS X 10.9
[11:33] <dvrr> MooDoo: haiiiii
[11:33] <MooDoo> dvrr: :D
[11:33] <daftykins> after which it can no longer use her time machine NAS
[11:34] <DJones> daftykins: We had a few quotes of around £1,500-£1,750 with remote control & a couple of radiator valves from local fitters, but as its my cousins trade, him & his mate did it in a couple of hours
[11:34] <arsen> I don't dislike OSX, the only thing i ever got annoyed by was the lack of encouragement to non-techys to close apps, so my gf ends up with every app under the sun running 24/7 and it slows down to a halt.
[11:35] <daftykins> DJones: nice :D i have mates in other trades but not gas reg'd plumbers sadly!
[11:35] <arsen> as predicted, my Wagas has arrived. lol.
[11:35] <daftykins> arsen: lol every time i need to restart my clients iMac she has about 10 word docs, 5 draft emails, a couple of powerpoint presentations and Outlook open >_<
[11:36] <arsen> exactly!
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> ex-windows users mostly, probably
[11:36] <daftykins> i just save everything to the desktop so she knows where it is ;x
[11:36] <MartijnVdS> who expect "I closed it so it's gone"
[11:36] <daftykins> nah Windows would be more obvious that something's still running
[11:37] <daftykins> you could close off docs but still have an indicator light beneath the dock icon for a prog
[11:37] <daftykins> (with OS X)
[11:37] <daftykins> but in this case it's docs too, all open just 'minimised'
[11:37] <dvrr> openvpn  windows 7 client   connection  i recived this problem  please resolve  open this url  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6529339/
[11:39] <daftykins> dvrr: "this problem" = ?
[11:39] <dvrr> yes
[11:39] <dvrr> Initialization Sequence Completed With Errors
[11:39] <daftykins> hmm looks fun
[11:40] <dvrr> i connected  in linux  client
[11:41] <SuperMatt> err mer gerd, waiting for this call from rackspace is just the worst
[11:41] <dvrr> daftykins: windows client i faced  this problem Initialization Sequence Completed With Errors  openvpn  but    linux client working
[11:42] <daftykins> dvrr: try disabling the Windows Firewall on the Windows client as a test
[11:43] <daftykins> SuperMatt: twiddling your thumbs watching the phone? :(
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: Don't forget to brush up on your American language skills!
[11:43] <dvrr> yes  i disabled  window firewall  all same problem recived
[11:43] <diplo> What role have you applied for SuperMatt ?
[11:44] <foobarry> dvrr: is this for home or work?
[11:44] <MooDoo> diplo: some tech job at rackspace.....
[11:45] <SuperMatt> diplo: you don't apply for a role, you apply for the company and they put you where they think you'll do best
[11:45] <dvrr> work
[11:46] <diplo> Oh right, sounds my sort of place :)
[11:46] <SuperMatt> daftykins: pretty much so. It's so nerveracking
[11:46] <dvrr> foobarry: from fast 1 week i faced this problem  please
[11:46] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: did they say they will contact you today?
[11:46] <SuperMatt> today or monday
[11:46] <SuperMatt> which means I'm potentially in for an entire week of pain
[11:47] <SuperMatt> *weekend
[11:47] <MooDoo> ah just forget it, if they phone it will be a suprise
[11:47] <SuperMatt> it's hard to forget when it's bloomin rackspace!
[11:49] <foobarry> dvrr: not to be rude but i suggest you take it to your sysadmins at work who setup the vpn
[11:52] <dvrr> me only
[11:52] <dvrr> cerated openvpn
[12:08] <foobarry> i received an amazon delivery with correct address but the billing details were someone completely differnt :S
[12:08] <shauno> merry christmas foobarry
[12:09] <foobarry> lol
[12:09] <foobarry> it was something we ordered
[12:09] <foobarry> but if they put the wrong slip in mine, i wonder if all the packages got out of sync
[12:09] <foobarry> and 100s have that prob
[12:13] <daftykins> dvrr: even if you set it up, if you're at work - you are unlikely to be allowed to connect out without authorisation
[12:13] <daftykins> foobarry: that sounds nasty :S
[12:17] <daftykins> foobarry: did it have name, address and last 4 digits of their card?
[12:18] <foobarry> daftykins: invoice number, billing address, shipping address as some lady in leicester
[12:19] <foobarry> on christmas day i will mostly be sorting 10,000 hama beads into separate colours
[12:19] <daftykins> O_O
[12:19] <daftykins> foobarry: making necklaces?
[12:19] <foobarry> no, 8 bit mario and angry birds
[12:19] <daftykins> 8D
[12:20] <foobarry> my son hates the darth vader on angry birds, finds it scary, and then says daddy can we make the black robot from angry birds star wars?
[12:20] <foobarry> nutter
[12:20] <foobarry> we have mario, yoshi, and angry birds characters done so far
[12:22] <daftykins> :)
[12:22] <daftykins> maybe he wants a form of it he can attack
[12:23] <popey> foobarry: i had a similar issue one christmas when we got a box addressed to us, with someone elses presents in
[12:23] <daftykins> i made a space invader from small mosaic tiles off ebay
[12:23] <daftykins> popey: erk!
[12:23] <popey> we complained and they told us to keep them
[12:23] <popey> and they sent ours
[12:24] <daftykins> nothing of any great value then? :(
[12:26] <foobarry> wow
[12:26] <ali1234> foobarry: maybe the other person ordered the exact same thing?
[12:26] <foobarry> the address label was correct though
[12:26] <foobarry> they did order the same thing
[12:27] <foobarry> to: address on the front is OK, but inside label not OK
[12:33] <directhex> foobarry, hama seems an odd choice for vector characters like angry birds
[12:34] <directhex> no anti-aliasing with beads ;)
[12:36] <foobarry> just following orders...  :)
[12:39] <directhex> "no, son, angry birds sucks. let's do classic 16 bit characters like bubsy and plok and rolo the elephant!"
[12:39] <ali1234> hehehe
[12:40] <directhex> i only actually own one of those 3 games
[12:42] <foobarry> http://ubuntuone.com/6FxeaC1FFwyCCckBU7eDV3
[12:42] <foobarry> directhex:  ^^
[12:43] <directhex> u1. might take a few hours to load
[12:43] <ali1234> heh
[12:43] <foobarry> :(
[12:43] <ali1234> someone should make a 3d version of hama beads
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: can't you do layers?
[12:43] <foobarry> lok for hama tardis
[12:44] <ali1234> MartijnVdS: i dunno, but it can't be easy
[12:44] <foobarry> http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2012/317/c/9/hama_bead_tardis_by_lwordish-d5kwczc.jpg
[12:44] <ali1234> i'm imagining like lego then you bake it
[12:44] <foobarry> that involves layers and glue i think
[12:45] <ali1234> er... aren't you supposed to iron it to the holes close up?
[12:45] <foobarry> i do
[12:45] <foobarry> they didn't
[12:45] <foobarry> because i suspect they just glued them :P
[12:46] <foobarry> wow is u1 down or seomthing?
[12:46] <foobarry> super slow
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> Doctor Glue
[12:47] <foobarry> holes in the space/time fabric
[12:50] <ali1234> imagine someone archaeologist digging this stuff up in 1000 years
[12:52] <directhex> foobarry, the craftsmanship is fine, but artistically i don't approve of using vector characters for pixel art :p
[12:53] <foobarry> time team 3000: "this was the work of a master craftsman"
[12:54] <ali1234> "the primitive people of 2000 worshipped a god known a 'murry-o'"
[12:54] <foobarry> directhex: we must all make sacrifices and compromise for our kids sometimes
[12:55] <foobarry> like watching baby jake
[12:57] <directhex> magic baby see
[12:57] <directhex> magic baby do
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> magic baby doo-doo
[12:58] <directhex> deezy deezy doo
[12:58] <directhex> there are worse shows than baby jake.
[12:59] <foobarry> yes, i draw a line at those
[12:59] <foobarry> worst one at the moment is one called the wiggles
[12:59] <MooDoo> baby jake is ace, we also watch peppa pig, in the night garden,
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> Parappa the Rapper?
[12:59] <MooDoo> foobarry: wiggles is ace :D dorothy the dinosaur :)
[12:59] <foobarry> abney and teal is the best
[13:00] <foobarry> MooDoo: my son chnaged his name to dorothy for a few days
[13:00] <MooDoo> lol
[13:00] <foobarry> i told him it was a girl dinosaurs name
[13:00] <foobarry> so he changed to grommit
[13:00] <foobarry> and didn't speak for the day
[13:01] <MooDoo> lol
[13:02] <MooDoo> swashbuckle is another good one my 5 year old loves that
[13:05] <bigcalm> Who has pinched my SGS3's ear buds?
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: it wasn't me
[13:07] <bigcalm> Hummmm ¬,¬
[13:08] <directhex> i think dirt girl world is probably the worst show on cbeebies
[13:08] <directhex> and so is mike the knight
[13:08] <MooDoo> love them both lol
[13:08] <MooDoo> nina and the neurons is ace too :D
[13:08] <arsen> why are you watching dirt girl world directhex ? :D
[13:08] <directhex> MooDoo, nina <3
[13:09] <MooDoo> directhex: she's mine
[13:09] <arsen> speaking of cartoons, havent watched any modern toss for ages.
[13:09] <directhex> arsen, because it's on tv?
[13:09] <arsen> oh you're at home? :D
[13:09] <directhex> MooDoo, nope. i called shotgun on all adult females with pigtails. it's the law.
[13:09] <MooDoo> directhex: pah! no fair...
[13:09] <directhex> arsen, it's on on sunday mornings, as it happens
[13:09] <directhex> MooDoo, see also josie jump from balamory
[13:10] <MooDoo> directhex: what about rebecca from lets play
[13:10] <directhex> an expert in role-play...
[13:11] <directhex> although i've only laid claim to her at specific times, e.g. when sid was playing a cowboy.
[13:12] <directhex> perversions aside, i reckon the best shows on cbeebies are sarah & duck, abney & teal, and tinga tinga tales
[13:12] <MooDoo> what's sad is that yu carry on watching them when you've put your kids to bed ;)
[13:13] <directhex> nope, because cbeebies ends at 7pm, and nathan goes to bed at 7:20
[13:13] <MooDoo> ah my lad goes at 7:30 but he'll play minecraft till then
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> directhex: so he gets 20 minutes of BBC Three? ;)
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> "Sun, Sex & Suspicious Parents"
[13:14] <MooDoo> that's an aweful show
[13:14] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: most of BBC3 is
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> except for the Doctor Who and Sherlock reruns ;)
[13:15] <MooDoo> :D
[13:15] <MooDoo> sherlock o/
[13:15] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: apparently, new episodes start January 1st!
[13:15] <directhex> MooDoo, 18 month old. bad at minecraft. enjoys super hexagon though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBFgsFeZCgU
[13:16] <directhex> MartijnVdS, 7pm means bathtime. then book then bed. no bbc3
[13:16] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Also, bbc3, not really age-appropriate for 18 months I guess
[13:16] <arsen> didn't know you had a youngen, directhex :)
[13:17] <directhex> protip for new parents: babies don't like lullabies, they like progressive house. buy your toddler some deadmau5 today!
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> directhex: not old-school techno!?
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> ls
[13:19] <directhex> MartijnVdS, anything as long as it's not dubstep, really
[13:19] <directhex> see also https://twitter.com/EpicGames/status/225033092098818049
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> directhex: my mother used to turn on the vacuum cleaner to make me sleep
[13:19] <directhex> MartijnVdS, that's an old one
[13:19] <directhex> same reason, of course
[13:19] <MartijnVdS> directhex: Epic Games? Did they drop the "Mega"?
[13:20] <MartijnVdS> oh.. they did. in 1999
[13:20] <directhex> for younger yoof, plug your smartphone into the wall and run http://www.ipnossoft.com/project/relax-melodies/
[13:20] <directhex> recommended white noise app.
[13:20] <foobarry> we watch bagpuss, button moon and  postman pat/bob/abney mostly
[13:23] <directhex> abney & teal feels french to me. dunno why. it's made in stratford
[13:24] <directhex> same company as teletubbies, brum, pob, rosie & jim, ITNG
[13:33] <arsen> brum! rosie and jim!
[13:33] <arsen> <3 childhood.
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> "Ow my childhood!"
[13:45] <Adriannom> how do i change the seconds hand on the system clock?
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: change it to what?
[13:45] <MooDoo> you have to do the whole lot it's easier
[13:46] <Adriannom> sure, but how do i change it so that i have control over the seconds
[13:46] <MooDoo> you just set it something like this date -s "2 OCT 2006 18:00:00"
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: if you install the "ntp" package, it's synchronized to reference clocks all over the world
[13:46] <MooDoo> for exampple
[13:46] <Adriannom> nice one, cheers :)
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> you should never need to set the clock yourself
[13:46] <Adriannom> MartijnVdS, nah i need to manually sync with something
[13:46] <MooDoo> ^^^^ what MartijnVdS said :)
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: ah, you're in the TARDIS then?
[13:47] <Adriannom> lol
[13:47] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: you know it's bigger on the inside?
[13:47] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: that's what.. never mind.
[13:47] <MooDoo> lol
[13:47] <bashrc> yep, ntp is super
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> One of the things i want to do with my Pi
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> figure out NTP Reference clocks/GPS stuff :)
[13:48] <Adriannom> i'm calculating stuff from hand histories from pokerstars, and the only way i can figure out to work it is to sync my time with theirs. it's a bit flakey actually, wish there was a better way
[13:49] <Adriannom> thought you meant time travel then
[13:49] <Adriannom> dunno if the pi is powerful enough
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: people have done it, using the serial port pins and a GPS from a place like adafruit
[13:52] <Adriannom> time travel?
[13:52] <Adriannom> awesome
[13:52] <Adriannom> link?
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: no, GPS stuff 8-)
[13:52] <Adriannom> ;)
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html
[13:53] <Adriannom> got two pis running xbmc. i need something similar but more powerful as a kitchen pc though :)
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: Intel NUC
[13:53] <Adriannom> thanks, i'll look
[13:55] <Adriannom> nice low power consumption, looks pretty good
[13:55] <Adriannom> have you got one MartijnVdS ?
[13:56] <ali1234> seriously tho, why d you need to sync your clock with theirs?
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: I have one in use as a "2 video streams an a refreshing TODO list" screen
[13:56] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: it's like an ultrabook in a different form factor
[13:57] <daftykins> omg my shower is now so powerful the force of the spray makes it swing upward XD
[13:57] <Adriannom> ali1234, because i need to calculate when the big blind goes up in a sng so i can calculate my relative stack size accurately with a script. i just can't do the maths quick enough in my head for turbo tourneys :o
[13:58] <ali1234> oh so you are calculating based on the current game in progress? fair enough then
[13:58] <Adriannom> yeah
[13:58] <daftykins> there was another board that seems to have more beans than the r-pi and isn't far off price wise
[13:58] <ali1234> beagle bone?
[13:58] <daftykins> nah
[13:59] <ali1234> well it fits the description
[13:59] <daftykins> one was the cubieboard i think which even has a SATA port, but i was really thinking of yet another
[13:59] <Adriannom> MartijnVdS, how do you mean? is it running x and a brower?
[13:59] <Adriannom> *browser
[13:59] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: it's running X, 2 VLCs and a browser with some customizations, yes
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: but it's way overpowered for what I'm doing with it :)
[14:00] <Adriannom> how's the multi tabs / flash performance?
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: It's an Intel CPU/GPU, so it's fine. Especially if you get the i5 or i7 one
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: you'll have to find an affordable mSATA SSD though, and for wifi a mini-pcie wifi card
[14:01] <daftykins> are you talking about NUCs still?
[14:01] <Adriannom> don't need wifi, and i could run the os off usb/sd
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I am
[14:02] <daftykins> i've read that the haswell NUCs still have major issues with XBMC, fwiw
[14:02] <daftykins> read/been told
[14:02] <Adriannom> nice to see a gigabit card in there
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: sure, but an usb thing sticking out of it looks ugly :)
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> Adriannom: and a 30GB mSATA SSD is only a few £
[14:04] <directhex> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002Z9RYSA/
[14:04] <Adriannom> lol
[14:17] <foobarry> what dpi should i scan a 6x4 photo at for good repro?
[14:19] <foobarry> i suspect they have been scanned themselves so will go for 600 dpi
[14:28] <davmor2> foobarry: The dpi only matters with what you are doing with it, if you intend to edit it and play about with it then higher is better, if it is to post online the lower is fine :)
[14:29] <foobarry> davmor2: its a b/w photo to print 6x4 copies of
[14:30] <davmor2> foobarry: 600 should be fine then, if you find it's missing detail on the first print rescan at a high rate
[14:31] <foobarry> ta
[14:31] <foobarry> now to learn colourisation :S
[15:46] <bigcalm> Are the nvidia binary drivers usable with 13.10 yet? I dare not install them because it means an OS reinstall when the system gets trashed
[15:48] <SuperMatt> I've never had to reinstall after a messed up binary install
[15:48] <SuperMatt> but why not use the nvidia drivers in the repos?
[15:48] <bigcalm> I did. They stopped the machine from booting
[15:49] <bigcalm> I might try at the weekend with a fresh install on a spare HDD
[15:54] <SuperMatt> if they stopped the machine from booting, I don't think you'll have much luck with the nvidia binaries
[15:55] <bigcalm> Eh?
[15:56] <bigcalm> The additional drivers available without having to use a PPA gave me trouble
[15:56] <SuperMatt> well, there's not really much different between what's in the repo, and what you get from the nvidia binaries
[16:02] <davmor2> bigcalm: all you have to do is boot into safe mode and do sudo apt-get purge nvidia-version_number and the binary is removed and you are back to the default nouveau driver
[16:03] <bigcalm> davmor2: in doing so I then ended up with error boxes upon logging into unity
[16:03] <bigcalm> Like the ones I showed you on my laptop
[16:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: you'll get them anyway :P
[16:03] <daftykins> the sunlight over Sark looked good just now
[16:03] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/v8zm7503ipadgd9/IMG_20131206_154404.jpg
[16:04] <bigcalm> davmor2: nope, not seen any yet on this install
[16:30] <DJones> Hmmh, have to laugh at this http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/125647-teen-buys-450-xbox-one-on-ebay-and-only-receives-photo-of-console
[16:32] <DJones> Even worse, a 19 year old buying an xbox for his 4 year old kid......so that would make him 15 when the kid was born, take off 9 months, could almost be 14 getting his partner pregnant
[16:35] <SuperMatt> I'm sickened more that society has failed him, more than anything.
[16:36] <SuperMatt> no doubt the root of the issue is that he probably had nothing better to be doing at the time
[16:36] <SuperMatt> which is what all my friends who lost their virginity at an early age said
[16:36] <SuperMatt> some of them though had the sense to make sure they didn't get pregnant
[16:42] <bashrc> I don't really take a strong view on the topic of at what age people should become parents
[16:43] <bashrc> it seems to me that there is never really a "right time" to have offspring
[16:44] <daftykins> financial stability can be for their benefit though
[16:45] <daftykins> as well as maturity
[16:46] <bashrc> its always possible to find reasons not to have children - too young, too old, to poor, too busy, etc
[17:12] <foobarry> if the kid had an xbox at 14, would he have got the girl pregnant?
[17:12] <foobarry> probably unrelated
[17:12] <daftykins> XD
[17:13] <foobarry> certain estranged family member sold his for a pittance to pay off frivilous debts
[17:13] <daftykins> debts at a young age?
[17:13] <foobarry> drug related most likely
[17:14] <foobarry> "debt"= owes mates 50 quid
[17:16] <foobarry> mummy and child are curled up under blanket watching snowman and snowdog
[17:16] <daftykins> ^_^ how old's your little one?
[17:16] <foobarry> makes me wish my chrimstas holidays had started
[17:16] <foobarry> 3, nearly 4
[17:16] <foobarry> got a v little on etoo at 8 months
[17:16] <daftykins> ooh :)
[17:17] <foobarry> 3yr old is arguing whether they are going to south or north pole
[17:19] <daftykins> i have no idea - what age is it they tend to start talking?
[17:19] <foobarry> 9 months is MAMA
[17:19] <foobarry> between 2-3 years they start sentences
[17:20] <daftykins> wowzer
[17:20] <foobarry> at 3-4 they say words like condensation, wonderful, astounding in regular use
[17:20] <foobarry> but still get past tense wrong a bit
[17:20] <foobarry> i bringed , i singed ,
[17:21] <daftykins> :)
[17:21] <JamesTait> Instead of I brought and I sought. :-P
[17:22] <JamesTait> Hm, maybe I brung and I sung?
[17:22] <daftykins> i think my jaw would drop to the floor upon hearing a 3 year old with a polysyllabic vocabulary
[17:22] <foobarry> kids can remember it all though
[17:22] <daftykins> possibly start imagining they're a child genius
[17:22] <JamesTait> They have brains like sponges.
[17:22] <foobarry> most 3yr olds can probably memorise a dinosaur encyclopaedia
[17:23] <JamesTait> My jaw frequently drops to the floor with the things my boys come out with.
[17:23] <daftykins> it would probably pay to have a good choice of material on hand to educate them with by feeding that sponge with a good variety :D
[17:23] <daftykins> JamesTait: any examples? :)
[17:23] <JamesTait> You think they're not listening, then they say something astounding and I wonder where the heck it came from.
[17:25] <foobarry> i had a convo about where water goes when you flush it
[17:26] <foobarry> hadto explain the sewage system
[17:26] <JamesTait> I remember the one time my then-6-year-old son navigated the way to a park he'd last been to when he was 3.  He tried initially to tell me which park he meant (he called it "Micky's park" - it was the park that backed onto the garden of one of my wife's clients, Vicky), but when I didn't know where he meant, he told me how to drive there.
[17:26] <foobarry> and show him the water treatment works 3 miles away
[17:26] <daftykins> JamesTait: O_O
[17:26] <foobarry> i regularly ask my son to direct me, he has his mums sense of direction
[17:26] <daftykins> i never watched wher were were driving as a kid
[17:26] <daftykins> *where we were
[17:26] <JamesTait> I had him in the front passenger seat, in his car seat, and he told me when to turn and everything.
[17:26] <daftykins> weird SSH lark going on today
[17:27] <daftykins> lol
[17:27] <daftykins> that sounds like something from a comedy D:
[17:28] <foobarry> think i've mention that my son has memorised all the books of the bible, in order
[17:28] <foobarry> i had to memorise it so I didn't lose respect
[17:28] <daftykins> hehe
[17:29] <JamesTait> The other night, I forget what we were doing, one of us made reference to "the three dots" - and he said "you mean the ellipsis".  I don't think I knew what that was called until I got to University! :-P
[17:29] <foobarry> lol
[17:29] <foobarry> i learned that when postfix was truncating email sent with an ellipsis
[17:30] <daftykins> O_O
[17:30] <foobarry> at 30 something
[17:30] <daftykins> JamesTait: that sounds like an effective school ;)
[17:32] <JamesTait> There are countless other examples - some where he's come out with stuff he's picked up at school, but others where I've asked, "Where did you learn that?" and he says, "You told me!" and it just reminds me to keep explaining things, even if it seems like he's not interested or not listening.
[17:33] <foobarry> i keep testing my son for aspergers
[17:33] <foobarry> subtley
[17:33] <foobarry> not sure if all kids are the same or not
[17:33] <JamesTait> I'm saying "he" because both examples I've given were from the same son, but the younger one is the same.  In fact, he's probably even more impressive with some of the things he comes out with.
[17:35] <JamesTait> Who was it who said we're all different, but we're all the same, or something similar?
[17:41] <daftykins> that drunk fella down the pub? ;)
[17:42] <foobarry> has anyone colourised a b/w photo before?
[17:44] <foobarry> not sure whether to fix contrast issues and cleanup before or after colourising
[19:09] <ali1234> foobarry: what software are you using
[19:10] <ali1234> you should use an adjustment layer for the contrast, then you're not doing it before or after, but both
[19:18] <foobarry> ali1234: gimp
[19:19] <ali1234> oh
[19:19] <ali1234> well, god luck with that
[19:19] <foobarry> there's blemishes etc on it too
[19:19] <ali1234> you have almost no non-destructive editing capability
[19:19] <foobarry> i'm following this http://tutorialgeek.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/use-gimp-to-create-color-photos-from.html
[19:21] <ali1234> yeah, "make a copy of layers so you can go back"
[19:22] <ali1234> this is why gimp sucks
[19:23] <foobarry> i'll manage
[19:25] <foobarry> bit unsure about colour of caucasaian skin
[20:07] <daftykins> wow Microsoft really did it with Windows 8
[20:08] <daftykins> even dumping the key inside the EFI with Linux gets rejected for trying to obtain a 'Windows 8' (non-Pro) ISO
[20:08] <daftykins> "This product key cannot be used to install a retail version of Windows 8"
[20:20] <ali1234> well it can't...
[20:20] <daftykins> yeah thanks ali1234
[20:21] <daftykins> very helpful :P
[20:21] <ali1234> get the OEM ISO, assuming they still exist
[20:21] <daftykins> yeah i tried changing the ei.cfg on a Pro ISO to start, didn't realise you can't do that
[20:22] <daftykins> so i'm having to use other channels to obtain an 8.1 Core edition ISO
[20:22] <ali1234> directhex probably knows how to do it
[20:22] <daftykins> i'll get there :)
[20:22] <daftykins> it's just worse than ever
[20:23] <ali1234> btw, it's been this way since windows 7
[20:23] <ali1234> probably XP
[20:23] <directhex> 7 was laid back about keys and isos
[20:24] <directhex> you could download from publically available urls
[20:24] <ali1234> yeah, but you still had to have the right one for whatever was in your bios
[20:25] <daftykins> no it hasn't been like this with 7
[20:25] <daftykins> 7 is COMPLETELY different
[20:26] <daftykins> no there weren't keys in the BIOS for 7 IME
[20:26] <ali1234> well, there was for XP
[20:26] <daftykins> maybe i just didn't see any EFI'd 7's though
[20:26] <daftykins> no XP was easy too
[20:26] <ali1234> 7 does not support EFI
[20:26] <daftykins> VL, Home and Pro ISOs
[20:26] <daftykins> appropriate key = sorted
[20:26] <daftykins> yes it does support EFI
[20:26] <ali1234> oh yeah. it doesn't support secure boot
[20:27] <ali1234> anyway, all dell machines sold in the past 10 years have the real key in the bios. the key on the label won't work with a retail ISO
[20:28] <directhex> 7 supports efi.
[20:28] <directhex> windows vista x64 sp1 onwards do.
[20:28] <ali1234> (and nor will the one from the bios if you dump it)
[20:28] <daftykins> also not true i'm afraid, i reinstaled my clients new Dell systems with the key on their COA stickers
[20:28] <daftykins> *reinstalled
[20:28] <directhex> also windows for itanium totally supports efi :D
[20:29] <ali1234> and then 2 months later they suddenly got "this copy of windows is not genuine"
[20:30] <ali1234> either that or you didn't use a retail install cd, you used the dell one which automatically picked up the real key from the bios
[20:30] <daftykins> it was a vanilla win7 ISO from digital river
[20:30] <directhex> MSDM tables are supported in Vista onwards too
[20:31] <directhex> and SLIC
[20:32] <daftykins> in fact i think i was doing a win8 downgrade
[20:34] <ali1234> i guess 7 ws more relaxed then
[20:35] <ali1234> that didn't work with XP, i have a dell machine right here where it doesn't work
[20:36] <daftykins> XP really depended on what media you had
[20:36] <daftykins> volume license, Pro or Home
[20:36] <daftykins> it didn't care across service packs either
[20:41] <directhex> xp was a very different beast to 7, as far as how lenient it was over media goes