=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:20] I just found the most amazing gizmo. "RooTooth" adds bluetooth to the roomba. I think I just found my christmas present [00:21] what can you then do to the Roomba via bluetooth? [00:22] start/stop it would be the most obvious, but you can take complete control of it over serial [00:23] they already have a serial port that allows this. this just plugs into the serial port and makes that available, so you're not following it around with a cable [00:23] :D [05:30] * MartijnVdS doesn't see much newness in Trusty yet.. ;) [07:03] morning all === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [07:30] morning MooDoo [07:30] how's it going knightwise ? [07:40] doing fine , working from home today [07:40] nice [07:40] that means I get to play with office365 and still work on my ubuntu machine [07:42] nice, why office365 ? [07:44] Thats what we use at work [07:44] cool [07:45] and it works great in a browser (currently using Chrome on Ubuntu [07:46] awesome, never tried it, normally I use google docs [07:47] Previous work used Office365, but only for email [07:47] it SUCKED [07:50] Office 2013 is a drag , but the web interface of 365 is better then outlook web access [07:51] it's still buggy though, and quite "heavy" compared to, say, gmail [07:54] That is true. But if it enables you to use your 'own device" when you are not at work , I kinda lov it [07:54] just for that [07:55] mind you , i'm not a serious excel user or anything [08:00] * dwatkins signs-up for AlanBell's Ubuntu RPi project [08:04] I'm sure he'll appreciate that [08:06] More pi for everyone 8-) [08:07] Morning all [08:07] morning diplo [08:08] How're we all this morning, tis Friday! [08:08] diplo: yippee [08:08] Missing Xmas work do, not sure if I'm happy or glad about that! [08:08] diplo: mines next week [08:08] diplo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5nfV3S7sqI [08:09] never really seen anything to do with this Rebecca Black [08:09] I think i switched off when the internet went mad :) [08:09] It'll go mad today with the death of nelson mandela [08:10] I did last night, switched normal telly off and went on the media centre [08:13] yesterday, I cancelled my TV subscription [08:13] so I'll be stuck with freesat channels and some FTA DVB-T channels :) [08:18] I've debated that a lot recently MartijnVdS, but it keeps the kids quiet so can't decide [08:21] MartijnVdS: still need a license though [08:23] MooDoo: not in the Netherlands :) [08:24] grrr [08:25] banshee seems to be unable to import simple standard playlist files [08:27] MartijnVdS: :p === funkyHat_ is now known as funkyHat [09:00] knightwise: i#m compelled to use o365 for work, never used the actual office bits besides email, does it work like google docs? [09:03] Anyone know how to embed a video from youtube ( downloaded in multiple formats ) into an impress doc ? [09:11] foobarry_: yeah it does [09:11] knightwise: can't find it on mine :( === msm is now known as Guest64393 [09:16] knightwise: do they also request admin access when you try to use activesync? [09:16] i've gone from having a good email service on my phone to having to remove email because i won't allow my company remote wipe functionality on my personal device [09:17] 99% of devices in use are personal === foobarry_ is now known as foobarry [09:35] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Miners' Day! :) === czajkows1i is now known as czajkowski [09:42] JamesTait: morning [09:42] morning czajkowski [09:42] MooDoo, o/ [09:44] aloha :) [09:44] how are we all [09:45] fine and dandy thanks [09:50] how can i report a bug with a crash file? ubuntu-bug opens the crash window, but click continue does not submit it to LP [09:51] Good morning peeps :) [09:52] g'day [09:52] oh.. bug 994921 [09:52] bug 994921 in apport (Ubuntu Quantal) "'ubuntu-bug /var/crash/app.crash' (and even more so, 'apport-cli -c /var/crash/app.crash') should still allow manual bug filing in stable releases" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/994921 [09:56] foobarry: it does [09:56] you just have to fiddle [09:59] i had to edit a conf file :( [09:59] i think it sends a message that bugs won't get fixed... [09:59] what crashed? [10:00] morning guys [10:00] mornign SuperMatt [10:00] today I should hear back about a job at rackspace \o/ [10:00] SuperMatt: you did an interview for rackspace? [10:00] popey: brasero [10:00] MooDoo: yup! yesterday :) [10:01] at teh end of burning? [10:01] nope [10:01] just clicking on tracks popey [10:01] SuperMatt: wow fingers crossed, want to work there myself on day :D [10:01] I'll let you know what it's like ;) [10:01] SuperMatt: if you get it :) [10:01] SuperMatt: how are the helpouts going? [10:02] I mean, it could be totally dull or whatever, with their pool tables and xbox ones and stuff [10:02] popey: I've been too busy to do them >.< [10:02] literally, the next 5 nights I'm out dancing [10:02] SuperMatt: I've watched videos I know all about what it's like to be a racker :D [10:02] i'm told its a dupe of an expired bug 438300 [10:02] bug 438300 in brasero (Ubuntu) "brasero assert failure: *** glibc detected *** brasero: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x084aea58 ***" [Medium,Expired] https://launchpad.net/bugs/438300 [10:02] and I've got house hunting interspersed in that [10:03] oh, and hitting the gym to train for a 10K [10:04] although my bug is from 12.04 and this bug is from 9.10 [10:05] see if it's known upstream? [10:05] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=brasero [10:09] doesn't seem to be [10:11] might be worth filing one [10:11] at least write up how it's reproducible [10:21] ctrl+alt+ are my best friends. So much so, that I have Windows doing it as well. [10:23] * AlanBell just ordered 35 32GB SD cards [10:24] AlanBell: anyone would think you've got a cluster to build. [10:25] What's the tar argument to preserve permissions? [10:25] bigcalm: p? [10:26] MooDoo: sounds likely, ta [10:36] i got banned from another freenode channel soon after asking why ops hadn't banned a persistent troll that had caused channel splits :-| [10:36] foobarry: have you spoken to free node staff about it? [10:36] probably for the best if they aren't going to ban the troll [10:37] tbh if he is persistent, using /ignore isn't sufficient because everyone else gets sucked in four hours [10:37] i'm prob better off not in there.. [10:39] MooDoo: its not worth it [10:41] * foobarry wonders if its possible to get RSI through using a mouse. i have persistent tendon type pain in middle right finger when i try to grip things [10:41] Yep definitely [10:44] only just noticed i've had it for about 6 months [10:48] Try changing the way you work helps [10:48] i think my hand is on the mouse most of day [10:48] hi all, apart from bug testing any point in updating to the new LTS yet? [10:49] not yet, because you really won't get the long term support until it's actually out :P [10:49] SuperMatt: i meant for new features etc smarty pants :D [10:49] I normally like to jump on a +1, but right now I'm not sure I'm going to [10:50] when I hear of a killer feature, I might [10:50] so far, there hasn't been much on OMG about trusty [10:51] they are taling about image updates [10:51] mainly for mobile devices i guess, unsure if desktop is affected [10:52] not for mobile stuff [10:52] but I'm sure there will be some very key changes [10:53] for anyone upgrading between LTSes, the biggest thing to look out for is that apache has a number of gotchas [10:54] for instance, if you have any virtual hosts files that don't end in .conf, the vhost won't be loaded [10:54] trufax [10:54] not sure if I should raise a bug against that though [10:54] is it a bug in apache, or a bug in the upgrade process? [10:58] Morning all [10:58] Morning davmor2 [10:59] davmor2: have you made sure you're not working next Wednesday evening? [10:59] g'ning! [11:00] bigcalm: Yeah more important have you :P [11:00] :P [11:01] My and my wife will be there :) [11:01] morning davmor2 [11:01] bigcalm: davmor2 you guys having a party? [11:01] MooDoo: Wolveslug xmas bashg [11:01] MooDoo: morning good sir [11:02] nice [11:02] bigcalm: my and my wife hey nice ;) [11:02] Heh [11:02] I could say Hayley, but I still like saying wife ;) [11:03] bigcalm: ewww you recently married? [11:03] o.O [11:03] bigcalm: i'm teasing chap [11:03] :) [11:03] Haven't I been spamming here with that for long enough? [11:03] :P [11:16] woohoo the boiler guy just came to look at my gas boiler [11:16] with any luck, the 1 hour of work should be all that's needed to get it running sensibly again [11:16] yay [11:16] Yay warmth [11:17] ah well it was heating fine [11:17] but the thing was losing pressure all the time, seems it was the expansion unit thing [11:17] expansion vessel rather [11:17] quick bicycle pump up of that and we may be back to normal :O [11:19] hihi [11:20] morning sir [11:20] that it is! just. [11:20] waiting for my Wagamanas Breakfast [11:20] as inevitabtly my lunch will be delivered before 12, annoyingly :( [11:20] i thought the brand was Wagamama? though i'm unfamiliar with them [11:21] it probably is. :d [11:21] heh you get delivered lunch? :D [11:21] Wagas not encroached the island yet then? [11:21] yeah, Fridays. [11:21] you name it, we've not got it [11:21] although two of our big supermarkets are now Waitrose [11:22] aaaand we have two Costa coffee shops in town now [11:22] How very Middle Class. :D [11:22] one is 20 seconds from my door, the other is about 90 seconds :> [11:22] yeah i still shop mostly at the co-op though [11:22] which carries the produce of English co-ops but is separate, as we have share numbers and get little 4p stamps with every £1 spent! [11:23] hah cool. my parents pretty much live off Co-Op and Waitrose. [11:23] they still up Notts way or did they move somewhere? [11:24] i remember you said they were downsizing, many moons ago [11:24] nope, still in the middle of nowhere. [11:24] hehehe [11:24] they moved to this huge house split into 'apartments', that are bigger than the average house [11:24] :D [11:24] never a fan, felt like a bad hotel or an old people's home - so last year they just finished building a house. Much better now imo. [11:25] hahaha nice [11:25] Eco-house, sustainable/passive heat storage etc, all very clever. [11:25] O_O [11:25] that'd be nice [11:25] if this fix today isn't permanent on my boiler, i may have to consider dropping £1,500-2,000 on a new boiler D: [11:26] oops repetition. [11:26] that sucks - boilers are .. :( though i think the latest generation ones are all very efficient and cosy. [11:27] yeah they seem to be all on about these fancy condensing ones now [11:27] my parents even have a wireless controller/thermostat for theirs O_O [11:27] i dont know if there's any govt grant scheme to encourage boiler upgrades [11:27] daftykins: I had a similar problem because of problem with the expansion, radiators worked fine, but couldn't get hot water, ended up getting a new boiler [11:27] although were it me, i'd love to get some kind of home automation on the go [11:27] DJones: that's pretty weird! [11:27] you all sold up in the portsmouth house yeah? [11:28] arsen: yep i was over that time in late 2011/early 2012 fixing things up - then i think it sold around April [11:28] then i kicked around back in Guernsey at my parents again - before finding a local place :) [11:28] daftykins: Yeah, it was something to do with a sensor that was supposed to touch the bladder/expansion & wasn't doing it for the hot water [11:29] DJones: ah - more economical to replace rather than repair was it? [11:29] that's what this guy is saying for mine, as apparently the whole unit has to come off the wall to replace the expansion vessel D: [11:30] Pretty much, old boiler was 10 years old & could have spent a couple of hundred on the repair because of obsolete parts for something else to go at any point, ended up getting my cousin to fit a new one for just over £1100 [11:30] hiiiii [11:31] Must say the remote is quite handy [11:31] need a ubuntu boiler. [11:31] mmm same here, got a pretty old Vokera Linea 24 that the guy reckons is between 10 and 15 === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [11:33] arsen: been having fun and games upgrading the clients' Macbook Pro (mid 2010) to OS X 10.9 [11:33] MooDoo: haiiiii [11:33] dvrr: :D [11:33] after which it can no longer use her time machine NAS [11:34] daftykins: We had a few quotes of around £1,500-£1,750 with remote control & a couple of radiator valves from local fitters, but as its my cousins trade, him & his mate did it in a couple of hours [11:34] I don't dislike OSX, the only thing i ever got annoyed by was the lack of encouragement to non-techys to close apps, so my gf ends up with every app under the sun running 24/7 and it slows down to a halt. [11:35] DJones: nice :D i have mates in other trades but not gas reg'd plumbers sadly! [11:35] as predicted, my Wagas has arrived. lol. [11:35] arsen: lol every time i need to restart my clients iMac she has about 10 word docs, 5 draft emails, a couple of powerpoint presentations and Outlook open >_< [11:36] exactly! [11:36] ex-windows users mostly, probably [11:36] i just save everything to the desktop so she knows where it is ;x [11:36] who expect "I closed it so it's gone" [11:36] nah Windows would be more obvious that something's still running [11:37] you could close off docs but still have an indicator light beneath the dock icon for a prog [11:37] (with OS X) [11:37] but in this case it's docs too, all open just 'minimised' [11:37] openvpn windows 7 client connection i recived this problem please resolve open this url http://paste.ubuntu.com/6529339/ [11:39] dvrr: "this problem" = ? [11:39] yes [11:39] Initialization Sequence Completed With Errors [11:39] hmm looks fun [11:40] i connected in linux client [11:41] err mer gerd, waiting for this call from rackspace is just the worst [11:41] daftykins: windows client i faced this problem Initialization Sequence Completed With Errors openvpn but linux client working [11:42] dvrr: try disabling the Windows Firewall on the Windows client as a test [11:43] SuperMatt: twiddling your thumbs watching the phone? :( [11:43] SuperMatt: Don't forget to brush up on your American language skills! [11:43] yes i disabled window firewall all same problem recived [11:43] What role have you applied for SuperMatt ? [11:44] dvrr: is this for home or work? [11:44] diplo: some tech job at rackspace..... [11:45] diplo: you don't apply for a role, you apply for the company and they put you where they think you'll do best [11:45] work [11:46] Oh right, sounds my sort of place :) [11:46] daftykins: pretty much so. It's so nerveracking [11:46] foobarry: from fast 1 week i faced this problem please [11:46] SuperMatt: did they say they will contact you today? [11:46] today or monday [11:46] which means I'm potentially in for an entire week of pain [11:47] *weekend [11:47] ah just forget it, if they phone it will be a suprise [11:47] it's hard to forget when it's bloomin rackspace! [11:49] dvrr: not to be rude but i suggest you take it to your sysadmins at work who setup the vpn [11:52] me only [11:52] cerated openvpn [12:08] i received an amazon delivery with correct address but the billing details were someone completely differnt :S [12:08] merry christmas foobarry [12:09] lol [12:09] it was something we ordered [12:09] but if they put the wrong slip in mine, i wonder if all the packages got out of sync [12:09] and 100s have that prob [12:13] dvrr: even if you set it up, if you're at work - you are unlikely to be allowed to connect out without authorisation [12:13] foobarry: that sounds nasty :S [12:17] foobarry: did it have name, address and last 4 digits of their card? [12:18] daftykins: invoice number, billing address, shipping address as some lady in leicester [12:19] on christmas day i will mostly be sorting 10,000 hama beads into separate colours [12:19] O_O [12:19] foobarry: making necklaces? [12:19] no, 8 bit mario and angry birds [12:19] 8D [12:20] my son hates the darth vader on angry birds, finds it scary, and then says daddy can we make the black robot from angry birds star wars? [12:20] nutter [12:20] we have mario, yoshi, and angry birds characters done so far [12:22] :) [12:22] maybe he wants a form of it he can attack [12:23] foobarry: i had a similar issue one christmas when we got a box addressed to us, with someone elses presents in [12:23] i made a space invader from small mosaic tiles off ebay [12:23] popey: erk! [12:23] we complained and they told us to keep them [12:23] and they sent ours [12:24] nothing of any great value then? :( [12:26] wow [12:26] foobarry: maybe the other person ordered the exact same thing? [12:26] the address label was correct though [12:26] they did order the same thing [12:27] to: address on the front is OK, but inside label not OK === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:33] foobarry, hama seems an odd choice for vector characters like angry birds [12:34] no anti-aliasing with beads ;) [12:36] just following orders... :) [12:39] "no, son, angry birds sucks. let's do classic 16 bit characters like bubsy and plok and rolo the elephant!" [12:39] hehehe [12:40] i only actually own one of those 3 games [12:42] http://ubuntuone.com/6FxeaC1FFwyCCckBU7eDV3 [12:42] directhex: ^^ [12:43] u1. might take a few hours to load [12:43] heh [12:43] :( [12:43] someone should make a 3d version of hama beads [12:43] ali1234: can't you do layers? [12:43] lok for hama tardis [12:44] MartijnVdS: i dunno, but it can't be easy [12:44] http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2012/317/c/9/hama_bead_tardis_by_lwordish-d5kwczc.jpg [12:44] i'm imagining like lego then you bake it [12:44] that involves layers and glue i think [12:45] er... aren't you supposed to iron it to the holes close up? [12:45] i do [12:45] they didn't [12:45] because i suspect they just glued them :P [12:46] wow is u1 down or seomthing? [12:46] super slow [12:46] Doctor Glue [12:47] holes in the space/time fabric [12:50] imagine someone archaeologist digging this stuff up in 1000 years [12:52] foobarry, the craftsmanship is fine, but artistically i don't approve of using vector characters for pixel art :p [12:53] time team 3000: "this was the work of a master craftsman" [12:54] "the primitive people of 2000 worshipped a god known a 'murry-o'" [12:54] directhex: we must all make sacrifices and compromise for our kids sometimes [12:55] like watching baby jake [12:57] magic baby see [12:57] magic baby do [12:57] magic baby doo-doo [12:58] deezy deezy doo [12:58] there are worse shows than baby jake. [12:59] yes, i draw a line at those [12:59] worst one at the moment is one called the wiggles [12:59] baby jake is ace, we also watch peppa pig, in the night garden, [12:59] Parappa the Rapper? [12:59] foobarry: wiggles is ace :D dorothy the dinosaur :) [12:59] abney and teal is the best [13:00] MooDoo: my son chnaged his name to dorothy for a few days [13:00] lol [13:00] i told him it was a girl dinosaurs name [13:00] so he changed to grommit [13:00] and didn't speak for the day [13:01] lol [13:02] swashbuckle is another good one my 5 year old loves that [13:05] Who has pinched my SGS3's ear buds? [13:06] bigcalm: it wasn't me [13:07] Hummmm ¬,¬ [13:08] i think dirt girl world is probably the worst show on cbeebies [13:08] and so is mike the knight [13:08] love them both lol [13:08] nina and the neurons is ace too :D [13:08] why are you watching dirt girl world directhex ? :D [13:08] MooDoo, nina <3 [13:09] directhex: she's mine [13:09] speaking of cartoons, havent watched any modern toss for ages. [13:09] arsen, because it's on tv? [13:09] oh you're at home? :D [13:09] MooDoo, nope. i called shotgun on all adult females with pigtails. it's the law. [13:09] directhex: pah! no fair... [13:09] arsen, it's on on sunday mornings, as it happens [13:09] MooDoo, see also josie jump from balamory [13:10] directhex: what about rebecca from lets play [13:10] an expert in role-play... [13:11] although i've only laid claim to her at specific times, e.g. when sid was playing a cowboy. [13:12] perversions aside, i reckon the best shows on cbeebies are sarah & duck, abney & teal, and tinga tinga tales [13:12] what's sad is that yu carry on watching them when you've put your kids to bed ;) [13:13] nope, because cbeebies ends at 7pm, and nathan goes to bed at 7:20 === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:13] ah my lad goes at 7:30 but he'll play minecraft till then [13:14] directhex: so he gets 20 minutes of BBC Three? ;) [13:14] "Sun, Sex & Suspicious Parents" [13:14] that's an aweful show [13:14] MooDoo: most of BBC3 is [13:15] except for the Doctor Who and Sherlock reruns ;) [13:15] :D [13:15] sherlock o/ [13:15] MooDoo: apparently, new episodes start January 1st! [13:15] MooDoo, 18 month old. bad at minecraft. enjoys super hexagon though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBFgsFeZCgU [13:16] MartijnVdS, 7pm means bathtime. then book then bed. no bbc3 [13:16] directhex: Also, bbc3, not really age-appropriate for 18 months I guess [13:16] didn't know you had a youngen, directhex :) [13:17] protip for new parents: babies don't like lullabies, they like progressive house. buy your toddler some deadmau5 today! [13:18] directhex: not old-school techno!? [13:18] ls [13:19] MartijnVdS, anything as long as it's not dubstep, really [13:19] see also https://twitter.com/EpicGames/status/225033092098818049 [13:19] directhex: my mother used to turn on the vacuum cleaner to make me sleep [13:19] MartijnVdS, that's an old one [13:19] same reason, of course [13:19] directhex: Epic Games? Did they drop the "Mega"? [13:20] oh.. they did. in 1999 [13:20] for younger yoof, plug your smartphone into the wall and run http://www.ipnossoft.com/project/relax-melodies/ [13:20] recommended white noise app. [13:20] we watch bagpuss, button moon and postman pat/bob/abney mostly [13:23] abney & teal feels french to me. dunno why. it's made in stratford [13:24] same company as teletubbies, brum, pob, rosie & jim, ITNG === msm is now known as Guest13732 [13:33] brum! rosie and jim! [13:33] <3 childhood. [13:34] "Ow my childhood!" === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [13:45] how do i change the seconds hand on the system clock? [13:45] Adriannom: change it to what? [13:45] you have to do the whole lot it's easier [13:46] sure, but how do i change it so that i have control over the seconds [13:46] you just set it something like this date -s "2 OCT 2006 18:00:00" [13:46] Adriannom: if you install the "ntp" package, it's synchronized to reference clocks all over the world [13:46] for exampple [13:46] nice one, cheers :) [13:46] you should never need to set the clock yourself [13:46] MartijnVdS, nah i need to manually sync with something [13:46] ^^^^ what MartijnVdS said :) [13:47] Adriannom: ah, you're in the TARDIS then? [13:47] lol [13:47] MartijnVdS: you know it's bigger on the inside? [13:47]