[09:41] <JonathanD> Morning.
[10:20] <rmg51> Morning
[10:23] <JonathanD> Hi.
[10:29] <rmg51> o/
[10:35] <JonathanD> rmg51: so, I spent half an hour checking into why I couldn't reach my linode.
[10:35] <JonathanD> I thought perhaps it had been compromised.
[10:35] <JonathanD> Turns out it was my router here at home, it had decided my linode was an intruder and blocked it bidirectionally.
[10:52] <rmg51> always something
[11:03] <JonathanD> Yup
[11:03] <JonathanD> and I rebooted linode cause of it :(
[11:20] <rmg51> silly
[11:40] <cyberanger> rmg51: what router?
[11:41] <rmg51> ask JonathanD
[11:41] <rmg51> it's his problem
[11:42] <cyberanger> Whoops, sorry, only half awake
[11:42] <cyberanger> JonathanD: what router?
[11:49] <JonathanD> mcaffee stupid thing
[11:51] <cyberanger> ouch
[12:02] <JonathanD> http://www.securecomputing.com/index.cfm?sKey=1557
[12:32] <adom> waltman: in regards to the speed tests between your iPhone 5s and the Nexus 5...now compare prices of phones. ;) the nexus 5 isn't the best phone as far as benchmarking, but most reviewers agree that, given its very acceptable price-point, it dominates the arena in terms of value.
[12:32] <adom> its benchmarks aren't bad at all, very respectable, just not trying to beat out the top dogs for the #1 spot in an effort to keep cost down.
[12:33] <adom> cant wait to get mine
[12:33] <adom> just have to figure out how to get out of this crap tmobile contract a year early without paying early termination. :(
[12:34] <adom> pleia2: where do you use RT? my job uses it as our support ticket system, so i use it all day every day.
[12:36] <waltman> It also dominates in terms of being able to login with a photo of its owner :)
[12:37] <adom> just to confirm, im referring to the Nexus 5, are you as well?
[12:37] <waltman> brand new just out of the box a few days ago.
[12:38] <adom> Android phones have offered login via camera for awhile, and yes, its always been bypass-able using a picture of the person, which is why i dont use camera to login.
[12:39] <waltman> $349 for 16 GB? I assume that must be without a contract?
[12:39] <adom> With my Android phone (Galaxy S3 LTE), I use Tasker to turn off lock screen security when I'm on my home wifi or connected to my car's bluetooth. Anywhere else, the lock screen security PIN is enabled automatically.
[12:39] <adom> waltman: correct
[12:39] <adom> $400 for 32GB no contract
[12:40] <adom> I really hope America finally starts to move more toward contract-less cell phone bills. Much of Europe already does it and as a result they pay a fraction of what we do for cell phone bills.
[12:41] <adom> just buy a phone, stick a SIM card in it, and pay monthly for a set limit of minutes, texts, and data that you decide on.
[12:41] <adom> i know guys that pay $23/month for their cell phone
[12:41] <waltman> I'm guessing most Americans don't like having a set limit on minutes, texts and data.
[12:42] <adom> apparently, yeah. so maybe you DOUBLE those minutes/texts/data and now its $46/month. i mean come on.
[12:43] <adom> the most important part is not getting locked into a contract with the big cheeses (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, etc) so that they're FINALLY forced to be more competitve with their pricing.
[12:44] <adom> rather than blatantly price match each other and force consumers to pay a shit ton more than we need to
[12:44] <adom> it will take some time, but its definitely possible
[12:46] <adom> especially if we stop using SMS/MMS texting for example. there are SO MANY IM apps for phones, and ones that sync seamlessly with PCs (i.e. Google Hangouts, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, etc etc) yet people still use SMS/MMS, which they pay for on their cell phone bill.
[12:47] <adom> every time my gf texts me, I'm like "Why not use Hangouts or Facebook Messenger or Gmail or Skype or one of the other 46 ways to IM me?" I mean, if my phone's dead, then the only IM I won't be able to recieve is an SMS message or a phone call.
[12:49] <adom> i dont know, guess im kind of ranting now. just baffles me that we have so many better options for communicating via message or voice, yet we continue to use telecom's methods which costs us MUCH more money.
[12:49] <adom> with half decent coverage, you could literally just have 3G/4G data on a device and not need any minutes or texts and be fine with a free Google Voice number and/or Skype.
[12:50] <adom> even if you paid for SKype phone call minutes, its a fraction of the cost of a cell phone plan.
[12:51]  * adom takes a deep breath and shrugs.
[12:54] <waltman> The problem with having so many different ways is that people use all of them, and some peole don't use *any* of them. With SMS I know that anyone with a smartphone will be able to read it.
[12:55] <adom> I admit, that's a fair argument.
[12:55] <waltman> good luck convincing everyone you want to communicate with to get an account on your favorite service.
[12:55] <adom> And I honestly don't have a rebuttle to oppose that.
[12:56] <waltman> The great thing about standards is that there's so many of them!
[12:56] <waltman> And with that, it's breakfast time!
[12:56] <adom> Well there are SOME easier methods on that front. For instance WhatsApp uses your cellphone number as your "username", so you just need to install it, and then people can message you just like SMS.
[12:57] <adom> i work with many dutchies, and from what they teach me about Europe, WhatsApp is HUGE over there. like, everyone has it. just because it avoids needing many SMS texts on yoru plan.
[12:57] <adom> you just pay for like 100 texts just in case, but otherwise just use whatsapp
[12:58] <adom> and personally, i have most of the well known messaging apps installed, so if anyone wants to message me, id get almost all of them on my phone
[12:58] <adom> i just dont leave Skype running all day because it kills my battery for some reason
[12:59] <adom> although I could just get one of those extended batteries like ChinnoDog.
[12:59] <adom> or was that marco from DC group that has one?
[13:15] <pvl1> I need a extended battery
[13:16] <adom> i like the idea of being able to run any battery-sucking apps i want all day without needing to charge, but i dont like the idea of having a phone in my pocket that's twice as thick as necessary
[13:23] <ChinnoDog> adom: It was me
[13:27] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, dogs, turkeys and everything else
[13:30] <adom> ChinnoDog: how long does the battery last? like when pushing the phone with battery-sucking apps.
[13:31] <ChinnoDog> I can drain it in 2 days if I work at it but it has lasted 5+
[14:02] <adom> geez
[14:03] <adom> if i do too much streaming and leave Skype running, mine dies before i get home from work. :/
[14:08] <ChinnoDog> I leave my softphone running most of the time and I use the phone pretty heavily when not at my computer. It usually lasts me about 4 days.
[14:09] <ChinnoDog> Oh. My number is slightly off.
[14:09] <ChinnoDog> adom: I run Gsam battery monitor. It reports battery life is 3d 11h the way I use it which includes 1d 1.1h active
[14:10] <ChinnoDog> This number is probably underestimated since the battery meter can not seem to properly judge a low battery
[14:10] <ChinnoDog> When it reaches 3-5% it will hover there for a long time before draining to 0
[14:11] <ChinnoDog> CSipSimple is draining 22.6% of my battery. I use it for regularly scheduled meetings though.
[14:21] <pvl1> How long does it take to charge
[14:37] <ChinnoDog> ~8hrs for a full charge. I charge overnight and it is full by morning if I get a full night's sleep.
[14:55] <pvl1> I'm usually getting 6
[15:01] <ChinnoDog> I don't know how long it actually takes. I just know if I short change myself it might not be full.
[15:01] <ChinnoDog> Plus there is the quick charge phenomenon where it is full before it is actually full
[15:02] <ChinnoDog> I do know that a phone that can actually be used without being concerned about remaining juice is much more enjoyable
[15:21] <pleia2> adom: canonical uses it for the community, community members send tickets to rt@ubuntu.com when they need help with stuff
[15:21] <pleia2> (I maintained a couple at my old job too, but not anymore)
[15:55] <adom> ChinnoDog: i think i might get one, just to be able to run a couple apps consistently without worry of battery dying
[15:55] <adom> pleia2: cool cool. i like it well enough as a ticket system i guess. but i think i might prefer OSticket, even though i have minimal experience with it.
[16:27] <ChinnoDog> adom: Better hurry. Rumor has it that S5 comes out in early 2014 :D