[05:16] <Kilos> good morning peeps
[05:16] <Kilos> we very min today
[05:33] <Symmetria> hrm
[05:33] <Symmetria> sad day
[05:37] <Kilos> hi Symmetria 
[05:37] <Kilos> whats sad
[05:42] <Kilos> home run Squirm 
[06:12] <Symmetria> kilos mandela dying is pretty sad
[06:13] <Kilos> ah
[06:13] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[06:20] <Squirm> hello
[06:20] <Squirm> Kilos: 1 week
[06:20] <Kilos> thats goes quick
[06:24] <superfly> morning
[06:24] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[07:40] <Squirm> I'm so keen for this weekend
[07:41] <Squirm> sailing in a yacht race(I do it once a year at this time)
[07:41] <Squirm> and a friend of mine is bringing his boat down
[07:41] <Squirm> its December and I haven't had a ski yet!
[07:43] <Squirm> I
[07:43] <Squirm> am
[07:43] <Squirm> so
[07:43] <Squirm> keen
[07:44] <Kilos> cool
[08:28] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:28]  * inetpro stretches his self
[08:28] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[08:28]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:28] <inetpro> Kilos: koffie?
[08:31] <Squirm> Maaz: coffee please
[08:31] <Maaz> Squirm: Alrighty
[08:31] <Squirm> Maaz: larger
[08:31] <Maaz> inna bucket for you Squirm
[08:32] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Squirm!
[08:33] <Squirm> mmmm
[08:33] <Squirm> Maaz: botsnack
[08:33] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[08:40] <Kilos> morning inetpro 
[08:42] <Kilos> sorry inetpro was outside then came back to disconnected modem
[08:42] <Kilos> grrr
[08:46] <inetpro> ai!
[08:55] <Kilos> wouldnt reconnect till i rebooted
[08:55] <Kilos> grrrr
[08:58] <Kilos> eeek todays 12.04 upgrade is 188 meg
[08:58] <Kilos> late night here we come
[09:00] <Kilos> hi drussell 
[09:00] <drussell> Kilos: hey!
[09:00] <Kilos> drubin, hi there you still alive
[10:00] <charl> good morning
[10:00] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[10:00]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[10:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[10:07] <Kilos> hi charl 
[10:07] <Kilos> Maaz, wheres my coffee
[10:07] <Maaz> You snooze you lose Kilos
[10:07] <Kilos> grrr
[10:10] <charl> hi Kilos 
[10:10] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[10:10] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[10:24] <charl> hi psyatw 
[10:24] <charl> how's it going
[10:25] <charl> wb Kilos 
[10:26] <psyatw> hi charl
[10:26] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[10:26] <psyatw> I´m doing well
[10:26] <psyatw> I hope to hear about an interview being scheduled soon
[10:27] <charl> oh nice, an interview in NL or PL?
[10:27] <charl> i've been going for a bunch of interviews myself but i heard last week that my current contract has been extended for a year
[10:27] <charl> so i can relax for a bit :)
[10:28] <charl> to be honest, the job market in NL is somewhat disappointing
[10:28] <charl> there are a lot of jobs being advertised but the companies i spoke to are getting extremely fussy and particular about what they want now
[10:28] <charl> it's not like a couple of years ago where you just get covered in job offers and people keep phoning after you for weeks
[10:30] <psyatw> hopefully in NL :)
[10:30] <psyatw> because pay here in PL is pretty bad
[10:30] <psyatw> and I wouldn´t want to stay here working for the same kind of income for another 6 to 12 months
[10:31] <psyatw> yes
[10:31] <psyatw> so I have a contract until August next year but I am looking for a way out of here
[10:35] <Kilos-> eish!! they playing with the power again
[10:38] <psyatw> charl, that´s good news at least :)
[10:58] <nuvolari> o/ ohi
[11:04] <Kilos> hi psyatw nuvolari Private_User 
[11:04] <Private_User> hi Kilos 
[11:23] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos :>
[11:32] <charl> yeah some people say the economy is picking up but it really is not visible in the job market right now
[11:32] <charl> hi nuvolari 
[11:32] <charl> hi Private_User 
[11:37] <psyatw> hi nuvolari
[11:38] <psyatw> charl, but the problem is that I don´t even have enough money right now to continue my studies at (Dutch) OU and get Red Hat/Java/Oracle etc. certificates
[11:39] <psyatw> so I am really stuck here wasting my time and just living life but not really advancing in my knowledge
[11:39] <charl> bah that doesn't help
[11:39] <psyatw> so I was just talking to my mother about just quitting this job and coming back to the Netherlands
[11:39] <charl> do you really need all those certificates though? i work as a java programmer and i have absolutely no java certification
[11:40] <psyatw> not really, but it´s just for myself and recruiters perhaps
[11:40] <Symmetria> heh, thats one thing I love about kenya right now
[11:40] <psyatw> I am not fond of them either
[11:40] <Symmetria> the industry here, well, specifically the internet industry
[11:40] <Symmetria> is flying 
[11:40] <Symmetria> life here is good 
[11:40] <charl> until the next terror attack? :)
[11:40] <Symmetria> charl, those can happen anywhere
[11:40] <Symmetria> you could say that about the US
[11:40] <Symmetria> or London
[11:41] <Symmetria> or Mumbai
[11:41] <charl> that's true
[11:41] <Symmetria> or Tokyo 
[11:41] <Symmetria> or <insert long list of places that have been hit by morons in the last 15 years>
[11:41] <charl> well... they won't *jjust* happen anywhere but you do make a valid point
[11:41] <Symmetria> charl, well, it just happened in london a few years ago, the tube stations remeber?
[11:42] <psyatw> hi Symmetria
[11:42] <charl> i remember it very well
[11:42] <Symmetria> it just happened when they hit the metro with sarin in asia
[11:42] <charl> i don't live in london though :P
[11:42] <Symmetria> and the mumbai hotel attacks
[11:42] <Symmetria> point is, you can never stop a bunch of determined retards 
[11:42] <psyatw> I was in mumbai in 2003 during the bombings
[11:46] <charl> looking at xmpp.net i am surprised to see how many people actually run their own jabber servers
[11:46] <charl> ssl/tls is actually an interesting subject
[11:49] <charl> they don't seem to like self-signed certificates though
[11:57] <psyatw> hi drussell
[11:57] <psyatw> hi nlsthzn
[11:57] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[11:57] <nlsthzn> hello psyatw & all
[11:58] <charl> hi nlsthzn 
[11:58] <charl> how's it going
[11:58] <nlsthzn> fine thanks and yourself charl ?
[11:58] <charl> i'm doing well thanks
[11:59] <nlsthzn> glad to hear :)
[12:00] <nlsthzn> and how is psyatw doing?
[12:02] <psyatw> I am doing fine, nlsthzn
[12:02] <psyatw> what about you?
[12:02] <nlsthzn> still doing fine
[12:02] <psyatw> yeah, the weather must be a lot better than it is here :)
[12:02] <nlsthzn> not much happened in the last 5 minutes
[12:02] <psyatw> haha
[12:03] <nlsthzn> best weather in the word here currently...
[12:04] <psyatw> stormy and cold like here in northern europe?
[12:05] <nlsthzn> nope
[12:05] <nlsthzn> that doesn't sound like best weather to me :p
[12:05] <nlsthzn> sunny and cool to just right....
[12:06] <psyatw> haha
[12:07] <charl> some of my colleagues have been saying that there is a chance of snow but i haven't seen any snow yet
[12:07] <charl> this morning it is properly cold though - just above 0 degrees
[12:09] <psyatw> I´ve been seeing hail and a bit of snow and ice here for the past few days
[12:14] <charl> ah, spoke too soon, just saw the first snow
[12:14] <Kilos> hehe
[12:14] <charl> we have been having terrible winds here the last day, almost blew off my bicycle on my way home yesterday
[12:14] <charl> had to shift my weight around just to combat the wind
[12:24] <Kilos> hey you clever okes what size square bar is equivalent to 1.6mm round
[12:27] <Private_User> sorry, Hi charl, was AFK
[12:27] <Kilos> np
[12:28] <Kilos> dont all answer at once
[12:28] <Private_User> lol
[12:37] <Private_User> I am off peeps chat later
[13:11] <drussell> psyatw: hiya
[13:20] <charl> ok back
[13:20] <charl> just reformatted my vps and converted it from ubuntu 13.04 to debian 7 instead of upgrading to ubuntu 13.10
[13:21] <charl> Kilos: sorry i don't understand the question, what is a size square bar?
[13:21] <Kilos> hehe
[13:21] <Kilos> i have round of 1.6
[13:22] <Kilos> i want to know what square qould give the same 
[13:22] <Kilos> um
[13:22] <Kilos> volume?
[13:22] <Kilos> i dunno how to explain it
[13:28] <drussell> Kilos: http://ncalculators.com/area-volume/
[13:28] <drussell> ;o)
[13:29] <Kilos> ty drussell 
[13:29] <drussell> Kilos: np
[13:34] <Kilos> ai!
[14:05] <charl> sorry got busy again
[14:05] <charl> i'm off to go home now actually
[14:05] <charl> have a good weekend all !
[14:38] <Kilos> hi rynomster welcome to ubuntu-za
[14:38] <rynomster> Hi Kilos
[14:38] <Kilos> what can we help you with
[14:38] <Kilos> or you here to help us
[14:38] <rynomster> lol everytime I come here I have a new nickname and never remember what I was before :P
[14:38] <Kilos> hahaha
[14:38] <rynomster> but I'll stick to this one now
[14:39] <Kilos> you will forget it if you have such long breaks
[14:39] <rynomster> and Im running windoze again :|
[14:39] <Kilos> shame what happened
[14:41] <rynomster> so, I bought this laptop, it came with windoze 8 preloaded, now I bought an SSD and want to load ubuntu, but I want to wipe the hard drive in this laptop but preserve the windoze 8 installation for if I 1day decide I want to use it... should I change the partition size on the windoze partition and store it as an image somewhere?
[14:41] <rynomster> trying to think of the best way to do it
[14:42] <rynomster> I just want to preserve all the nice asus stuffs lol
[14:42] <Kilos> partition the first section with windows
[14:42] <rynomster> but I guess they are available for download
[14:42] <rynomster> im going to use this current hdd as an external
[14:42] <Kilos> boot from ubuntudvd or flash then let it squeeze windows to 30g or so then install ubuntu on whats left
[14:43] <rynomster> oh... how does ubuntu work with touch screens?
[14:43] <rynomster> is it nice?
[14:43] <Kilos> dunno thats too modern for me
[14:43] <rynomster> lol
[14:43] <Kilos> is it a touch screen lappy?
[14:44] <rynomster> yea
[14:44] <rynomster> its cool
[14:44] <Kilos> whew
[14:44] <rynomster> plays BF4
[14:44] <rynomster> lol
[14:44] <rynomster> but it runs waaay better on ultra on my pc
[14:45] <Kilos> what sdize is the drive in it?
[14:45] <Kilos> size
[14:45] <rynomster> I hope they port bif 4 to 'nix soon
[14:45] <rynomster> it came with a 1TB drive
[14:45] <rynomster> I bought a 256gb SSD to replace it
[14:45] <Kilos> then just install ubuntu alongside win8
[14:48] <SilverCode> rynomster: if the drive has a windows recovery partition you could probably just take a snapshot of that (using dd), and then later use that to restore windows
[14:48] <SilverCode> would be smaller than trying to image the actual windows partition
[14:49] <rynomster> cool thanks SilverCode 
[14:49] <Kilos> ty SilverCode i dont know about all the smart ways of doing things
[14:49] <rynomster> I dont think it has a recovery partition though, can't see it in windoze
[14:49] <rynomster> :<
[14:50] <rynomster> oh sick it does!
[14:50] <SilverCode> I'm not sure if recovery partitions actually show up in Windows
[14:50] <rynomster> its just hidden in windows
[14:50] <rynomster> yea
[14:50] <rynomster> its under disk management
[14:50] <rynomster> there are 3
[14:51] <rynomster> so the 20GB one, just dd that
[14:51] <rynomster> :o
[14:51] <rynomster> thanks man, I feel stoopid now
[14:51] <rynomster> lol
[14:52] <SilverCode> rynomster: I've never *actually* done a dd/restore of a windows recovery partition, so I can't say how to do it or if it will work 100%
[14:52] <SilverCode> I normally just nuke the drive and put Linux on it
[14:52] <rynomster> lol :P
[14:52] <SilverCode> if Windows ever needs to be reinstalled, I make it IT's problem :)
[14:53] <SilverCode> but if I ever had to make a backup, a dd of the recovery partition is the first thing I would try
[14:53] <rynomster> :D I dont actually see myself using windoze again, I think its cos its all new and shiny that I feel obligated to keep it safe
[14:53] <SilverCode> I know the feeling
[14:53] <SilverCode> it is like leaving those screen protector things on devices
[14:54] <SilverCode> "just in case"
[14:54] <SilverCode> also, if something goes wrong with the laptop, and you return it to the manufacturer they might blame the fault on using "Non Standard Software"
[14:55] <SilverCode> so best to keep backups around :)
[14:55] <rynomster> lol
[14:56] <rynomster> so Im down at the coast for holiday, and its raining - I stopped drinking, now Im sitting in a hotel on IRC.... y? who knows, but I haven't had a chance to go on IRC in like 8 months
[14:57] <SilverCode> drinking and IRC is always a fun combination
[14:57] <SilverCode> anyhoo, hometime, I'm off to play in traffic
[15:17] <rynomster> gl
[17:54] <Kilos> you winning rynomster 
[17:54] <Kilos> ?
[18:15] <inetpro> good evenin
[18:15] <Kilos> ohi inetpro 
[18:15] <inetpro> hello Kilos
[18:15] <Kilos> we are min here hey?
[18:16] <inetpro> ja, everyone tired
[18:16] <Kilos> lol yeah looks like
[18:16] <Kilos> buncha ballies
[18:16]  * inetpro too
[18:16] <inetpro> after just two hours of sleep last night /me will be falling over soon
[18:17] <Kilos> wow why so min?
[18:17] <inetpro> why you think?
[18:17] <Kilos> what broke
[18:17] <Kilos> oh
[18:17] <inetpro> there's just one story in the news
[18:18] <inetpro> had to bring activate the site last night
[18:18] <inetpro> http://www.mandela.gov.za/
[18:19] <inetpro> s/bring//
[18:19] <Kilos> you had to do that last night?
[18:19] <Kilos> go sleep man
[18:19] <inetpro> yep, part of a team effort though, not all alone
[18:19] <Kilos> whew
[18:20] <inetpro> and lots of related efforts
[18:20] <Kilos> i can imagine
[18:27]  * inetpro relieved that it finally happened 
[18:27] <Kilos> yeah
[18:27] <inetpro> we've had to be ready so many times
[18:27] <Kilos> major job that site hey
[18:27] <inetpro> actually not so much
[18:27] <Kilos> lotsa info and all neatly laid out
[18:27] <Kilos> and no moving/animated adverts and things
[18:28] <inetpro> there's somuch more info distributed across the web, but yes, it's nicely laid out
[18:28] <inetpro> hopefully
[18:28] <Kilos> to me it is but im old
[18:32] <inetpro> I'll be honest it was quite amazing to see the many other similar sites that suddenly sprung up last night
[19:15] <Kilos> go to bed now inetpro 
[19:15] <inetpro> Kilos: ja oom
[19:15] <Kilos> im goona try make 11 to do upgrade
[19:15] <inetpro> sjoe
[19:15] <inetpro> nee dit maak ek beslis nie
[19:16] <Kilos> ja sjoe
[19:16] <Kilos> 188m
[19:16] <Kilos> big one lotsa office stuff too
[19:16] <Kilos> and kernel
[20:59] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight