[00:12] <Orioa> to the ones helping me earlier it is working so thank you verry much
[00:13] <ochosi> Orioa: glad to hear
[00:13] <ochosi> holstein: ^
[00:13] <Orioa> i was about to give up
[00:13] <Orioa> but im glad i didn't
[00:14] <ochosi> good good, it's often the little things
[00:19] <Orioa> that what drive you crazy
[00:19] <Orioa> lol
[00:32] <xubuntu691> when in recovery mode, I cannot reinstall xubuntu, states read-only mode
[00:33] <bekks> xubuntu691: It doesnt make any sense to reinstall in rescue mode. Rescue mode is for rescue, not for reinstall :)
[00:33] <xubuntu691> You're blowing my mind, obviously I am new to this - so I cannot tell the difference
[00:34] <xubuntu691> The smilies don't ease the sarcasm, xubuntu loads into a blank screen - nothing.
[00:34] <bekks> !nomodeset
[00:35] <xubuntu691> Wow, I can see I am fucked. Atleast I can't get pregnant....I sincerely appreciate you two tring to help - I'll go read LINUX FOR DUMMIES (ME)
[00:35] <xubuntu691> Peace to you all
[00:36] <xubuntu691> trying*
[00:36] <knome> xubuntu691, please watch the language
[00:36] <xubuntu691> i watched it alright -
[00:36] <xubuntu691> so 4 year old virgin ears are going to be in linux discussion forums
[00:36] <knome> this is a family-friendly channel; you have agreed to follow the guidelines when joining this channel
[00:36] <xubuntu691> now's my chance!!!!! ---->>>> we live in a world wear swear words and middle fingers cause more of an uproar that disease, famine, war
[00:37] <bekks> We live in a world were people set you on ignore.
[00:37] <xubuntu691> DARN -  you got me
[00:37] <xubuntu691> ignore me, haha, for some WORDS? give me a break
[01:51] <xubuntu585> hi, spanish chat?
[01:51] <holstein> !es
[01:51] <genii> !es
[01:51] <xubuntu585> muchas gracias
[01:51]  * genii gives holstein the winning coffee
[01:52] <holstein> genii: :) ...i *love* coffee!
[01:52] <genii> What's not to love? ;)
[02:41] <rot> Hi, I just got done installing on my iMac and the CD won't eject :( I get the following error when I "eject" : eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device
[02:41] <rot> any ideas ?
[02:41] <holstein> rot: i had to physically work it out.. without software
[02:42] <rot> no kidding?
[02:42] <holstein> rot: correct.. i am not kidding.. the drive failed, and is broken now
[02:42] <rot> this worked in ubuntu earlier, i'm pretty sure
[02:42] <holstein> rot: xubuntu *is* ubuntu
[02:42] <holstein> try the physical eject.. try other media
[02:43] <rot> right, i installed another version before once and the disk popped out, no error
[02:43] <holstein> rot: mine worked until it stopped working.. but it was/is mostly hardware related
[02:43] <rot> aite, thanks, going in :P
[02:44] <holstein> rot: i can get it to work, but its tricky.. and i dont put anything in there that i dont mind messing up or getting it stuck
[02:45] <Unit193> Paperclip.
[05:40] <mmcdaris> Yo!
[05:41] <mmcdaris> I am trying to install xubuntu 12.04 on a freshly assembled machine
[05:41] <mmcdaris> my first attempt failed with 12.10
[05:43] <mmcdaris> Do I need to be connected to a network?
[05:52] <Unit193> Only if you're using mini.iso, otherwise it's just useful.
[06:07] <mmcdaris> I am installing from a usb
[06:07] <mmcdaris> after I did https://gist.github.com/mmcdaris/7818913
[06:07] <mmcdaris> I think it is going to work now while connected to the network
[06:12] <Unit193> The iso is hybrid, btw.  Not using 12.04 or 13.10?
[06:19] <mmcdaris> It worked! I am using 12.10
[06:20] <mmcdaris> Thank you Unit193
[07:40] <VanessaE> good morning.  Anyone awake to help with a rather obscure suspend/resume crash issue?
[07:42] <VanessaE> I've already done the usual googling, which has produced a few candidates, but the "obscure" part is what concerns me, and which is what I can't even begin to figure out where to start looking for a solution.
[07:42] <ObrienDave> well, no one else can help you if we don't know what the issue/messages are
[07:43] <VanessaE> I have two machines, with two completely different hardware profiles.  One is based on an ASRock motherboard, the other on an ASUS.  Both have a Phenom II X6 processor, 16GB on one machine, 4GB on the other.  Both hard-lock on resume from suspend.
[07:43] <VanessaE> (wait, there's more :) )
[07:44] <VanessaE> they both lock up less often (perhaps not at all, I didn't test enough to be sure of this) if neither one has to contend with the other being off/suspended when it's on its way up.
[07:44] <VanessaE> Now for the obscure part:
[07:45] <VanessaE> on one machine, which has only Xubuntu plus numerous routine apps, the lockup manifests as a black, blank screen and hard-lock (REISUB does nothing, I have to use the reset button).
[07:45] <VanessaE> on the other machine, it is also Xubuntu but it ALSO has a full GNOME install on it as that machine's user has some Gnome apps he uses.
[07:46] <VanessaE> he NEVER boots into Gnome - always into XFCE.  When the machine comes up from suspend, it hard-locks BUT IT SHOWS A GNOME DISPLAY.
[07:46] <XATRIX> Hi, i have the following lines in a boot.log:
[07:46] <XATRIX> speech-dispatcher disabled; edit /etc/default/speech-dispatcher
[07:46] <XATRIX> saned disabled; edit /etc/default/saned
[07:47] <VanessaE> those last six words are the obscure part - how on earth could a machine running XFCE possibly be bringing up a Gnome Lock Screen just prior to the freeze?
[07:48] <VanessaE> it resembles this, except that the blue part is also black:  http://linuxlibrary.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/gnome-desktop-38-3.jpg
[07:48] <VanessaE> (e.g. all that's visible is the title bar)
[07:48] <VanessaE> (and no mouse)
[07:49] <VanessaE> my machine is the one which displays nothing whatsoever when it freeze on resume - maybe because I don't have Gnome installed.
[07:50] <sku1d> VanessaE: that's going to have something to do with systemd. you find rules under /etc/systemd/. systemd controls for example, which programs have to be restarted after a suspend, but the possibility exists to define rules, what to do before suspending as well.
[07:50] <VanessaE> ObrienDave: all of the above spew is why I asked - I haven't the faintest clue how to get logs or error messages off of either machine since they both hard-lock.
[07:51] <VanessaE> sku1d: systemd eh?  I had a feeling it may be related.  that came up after some searching.  I read a report of a fix targeted at 13.11 (!) but nothing suggesting a fix for 13.10
[07:51] <ObrienDave> VanessaE, well, certainly a mouthful :) LOL BTW there is no 13.11
[07:51] <VanessaE> ObrienDave: right, that's what I thought.
[07:52] <VanessaE> I presumed "13.11" was some equally obscure shorthand for "13.10 + 1" e.g. 14.04
[07:52] <ObrienDave> i must admit, i don't know enough about the internal workings to be of any help. sorry
[07:53] <VanessaE> sku1d: so a glitch in systemd could cause a Gnome desktop to be forced to come into being on resume?
[07:53] <VanessaE> (I've never dug into systemd's config)
[07:53] <fajfarde> Hello there I woudl like to ask a simple question. Why is my nano editor ignoring the .nanorc file and only using /etc/nanorc?
[07:53]  * VanessaE boots up the machine with Gnome...
[07:54] <fajfarde> The problem is that I have all the sytax highlighting includes in the local one.
[07:56] <ObrienDave> VanessaE, are these 2 networked now? and having gnome installed should not make a difference, i would think
[07:56] <VanessaE> sku1d: I don't see anything in the Gnome-laden machine's /etc/systemd tree that would suggest anything to do with that desktop.
[07:57] <fajfarde> No one hawing this problem or a fix?
[07:57] <VanessaE> ObrienDave: indeed they are.  GigE cable between them, simple static LAN IPs.  Iptables to share internet connectivity. nothing fancy.
[07:58] <ObrienDave> VanessaE, is it a crossover cable? a normal cable will NOT work
[07:58] <VanessaE> ObrienDave: it is not, however gigE has automatic crossover.
[07:58] <ObrienDave> ok, cool
[08:01] <sku1d> VanessaE: i am just guessing, but have a look here: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general/423516
[08:01] <VanessaE> sku1d: another thing I found among my searches is that some weird bug on some systems that use fglrx causes a machine to attempt to swap out pretty much everything in RAM on resume from S3 suspend.... except neither of these machines has any swap (we don't need it).  The bug seemed rather old though.  Possible cause of the lockup?
[08:02] <VanessaE> looking..
[08:03] <ObrienDave> i think suspend/hibernate need a swap partition to function. could be a cause
[08:03] <VanessaE> hibernate does.  suspend does not.
[08:03] <VanessaE> (or is not supposed to)
[08:04] <sku1d> your xfce-session might load gnome-power manager, especially if you have selected to "launch gnome services on startup" under "settings manager"-> "session and startup", so that both of the two try to prepare the suspend
[08:04] <VanessaE> sku1d: interesting bug, not sure how ... ooooohhhhhhhhh
[08:05] <VanessaE> as a matter of fact, I believe both machines are configured to load Gnome services (mine does have some gnome libs, just not the full install that the other has)
[08:05] <XATRIX> Hi, i have the following lines in a boot.log:
[08:05] <XATRIX> speech-dispatcher disabled; edit /etc/default/speech-dispatcher
[08:05] <XATRIX> saned disabled; edit /etc/default/saned
[08:05] <XATRIX> Do i need to fix it or i can leave it as is ?
[08:06] <VanessaE> indeed, the Gnome-laden machine shows a "Power Manager" in the session tab.
[08:06] <sku1d> XATRIX: nothing wrong with saned, but you can disable it with sudo systemctl disable saned
[08:07] <ObrienDave> gnome and xfce shoud not interfere with each other. I run gnome srevices also. no problems here
[08:07] <VanessaE> the machine that lacks full Gnome does not have this applet loaded (as expected)
[08:07] <sku1d> :)
[08:07] <XATRIX> sku1d: saned is a scanner interface ?
[08:07] <sku1d> yeah. mostly used for scanning over network
[08:08] <sku1d> but that can be started using inetd as well
[08:08] <VanessaE> hm, nope.  That's XFCE's power manager.
[08:08] <VanessaE> still, both machines were configured to load gnome services.
[08:09] <ObrienDave> mine loads both gnome and kde services. not an issue here
[08:10] <sku1d> VanessaE: its hard to disable gnome services since many apps use gtk. i would try to disable the xfce power manager, just to make sure. you can manually suspend the system with systemctl suspend
[08:10] <VanessaE> I note that my machine does not have that applet loaded, yet it still offers the ability to suspend via the menu.
[08:12] <sku1d> VanessaE: the applet is independent from the daemon, which causes the problem in my opinion.
[08:12] <VanessaE> also, these are desktop machines, btw, so the double-suspend triggered by lid closure as in #423516 doesn't apply here
[08:12] <VanessaE> oh ok
[08:12] <sku1d> the applet does nothing, but calling systemctl suspend so to say
[08:14] <VanessaE> right.  that makes sense.
[08:15] <VanessaE> what does the daemon do that `systemctl suspend` (and for that matter, `pm-suspend`) doesn't?
[08:15] <VanessaE> (or the converse)
[08:15] <sku1d> i cannot think of anything
[08:16] <VanessaE> hm
[08:16] <VanessaE> ok, I'm gonna try suspending it.  My guess is it'll come back up since my machine is up at the moment.
[08:17] <XATRIX> Also, i have trouble during restart of my netbook. I can't simply restart it. Only shutdown/start . When i do restart, my system shuts down all the processes, and then do the system reset(as it always should) but i see the back screen with the BIOS POST start.
[08:17] <XATRIX> Only power button shutdown, then start can help to wake the device
[08:17] <XATRIX> Maybe the kernel issue
[08:18] <XATRIX> Maybe i can downgrade the kernel for some versions before ?
[08:18] <sku1d> VanessaE: it looks as if the suspend scripts write data to ~/.cache/sessions
[08:18] <VanessaE> ok, I tried to suspend the machine.  It went down normally.  Came back up, showed the screen as it existed when it went down, and promptly locked up hard.
[08:18] <VanessaE> it's still sitting there, hard-locked and not answering to ssh.
[08:19] <VanessaE> (destination host unreachable/no route to host)
[08:19] <sku1d> VanessaE: oh i didn't get that before.
[08:19] <VanessaE> network manager briefly showed "disconnected, you are now offline" on the frozen machine just before it went down.  in fact, it locked up while it was half-way through fading the notification away
[08:20] <VanessaE> s/went down/hard locked/
[08:21] <VanessaE> what should I do?
[08:21] <sku1d> reboot and read the kernel.log under /var/log/kernel or /var/log/messages (don't know how xubuntu calls it)
[08:22] <VanessaE> had to reset.  it didn't respond to SysRq/REISUB.
[08:22] <VanessaE> on its way up.
[08:23] <VanessaE> well there's a kern.log and also syslog
[08:25] <sku1d> kern.log will probably be right
[08:26] <sku1d> i believe you gonna find the network failure (as you mentioned last seen) in there
[08:33] <xubuntu644> ho a atodos
[08:33] <xubuntu644> hola :3
[08:33] <Unit193> !es
[08:41] <VanessaE> that was weird.
[08:41] <VanessaE> Ok, I've got something
[08:41] <VanessaE> how much of my text did you get?
[08:46] <VanessaE> I switched to a text console, ordered it to suspend via `pm-suspend`.  Brought it back up.  The console initially came up dead BUT I was able to ssh in.  After attempting to switch VTs a couple of times, I was able to get the X display to show up and it seems fine.
[08:46] <VanessaE> dmesg has this:
[08:46] <VanessaE> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6528792/
[08:46] <VanessaE> note lines 80 and beyond
[08:46] <VanessaE> does this mean anything to you?
[08:57] <VanessaE> http://askubuntu.com/questions/369683/13-10-hangs-on-waking-from-suspend-except-when-suspended-from-console
[08:57] <VanessaE> this is an exact match for my symptoms described earlier (except trade out "close the lid" for "use the menu options")
[10:16] <sonne> greetings!
[10:17] <sonne> after upgrading to 13.10 my sound icon in the indicator plugin is now greyed out, with '---' on the side of the speaker drawing
[10:17] <sonne> however the sound works like a charm, i just can't control it from the tray
[10:17] <sonne> any ideas on what could have gone wrong?
[10:27] <ObrienDave> sonne, that "sound icon" is not the volume control ;)
[10:28] <sonne> but it used to be...
[10:28] <sonne> as in... i scroll the wheel to turn it up and down :)
[10:28] <koegs> sonne: http://askubuntu.com/questions/360806/volume-indicator-issue-after-xubuntu-13-10-upgrade
[10:28] <ObrienDave> yea, I know, I have the same icon
[10:29] <sonne> ah there it is
[10:30] <ochosi> ObrienDave: weird, your wallpaper submission is just black..
[10:30] <sonne> well thank you!
[10:30] <sonne> :)
[10:30] <ObrienDave> dang, I learn something new everyday ;))
[10:30] <ObrienDave> strange, looks ok to me. let me clear cache
[10:32] <ochosi> ObrienDave: this is how it looks to me in firefox: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-12062013-113218am.php
[10:33] <ObrienDave> LOL that's dark green, not black ;)
[10:34] <ochosi> right, my monitor here sucks
[10:34] <ObrienDave> just checked in firefox, thumbnail and fullsize look ok
[10:34] <ochosi> so this is not how it's supposed to look i presume?
[10:35] <ObrienDave> supposed to be like dark green muddy water with ripples
[10:36] <ObrienDave> your screenshot looks correct to me :)
[10:38] <ObrienDave> ochosi, I checked screenshot with firefox and chrome, both look correct
[10:39] <koegs> same here, only black
[10:39] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, too deep for me
[10:40] <koegs> ah, in full size, you can get an idea of it :D
[10:40] <ObrienDave> strange, darn, well, we'll try to lighten it up
[10:40] <ObrienDave> yea, the thumbnail really lacks for detail ;)
[10:42] <ObrienDave> hence the name "Dirty Water" :) Just occurred to me, the lead singer for the Standells passed away a few days ago. He sang "Dirty Water" mid 60's
[10:44] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, well, dark green
[10:49] <ObrienDave> koegs, that worked, thanks ;)
[10:53] <ochosi> ObrienDave: just take my comment as feedback: on bad monitors your wallpaper will be more or less black
[10:54] <ObrienDave> that's cool, no prob. I just prefer darker colors. bright screens give me a headache. appreciate the feedback :))
[10:55] <ochosi> alrighty
[11:10] <mmcdaris> I am only getting ~300 Kh/s from each of my r9 280x's
[11:10] <mmcdaris> and suggestion?
[11:11] <mmcdaris> whoa  there is a bit more umph now
[11:29] <ObrienDave> mmcdaris, not much in the way of mining rig support on this channel ;P
[11:51] <mmcdaris> thats cool
[11:51] <mmcdaris> I am sure I will figure it out through trial and error
[12:03] <mmcdaris> so If you click cash out without an address what happens?
[12:05] <ObrienDave> no clue. might go to the pool, might just *poof*. i don't really know
[12:06] <mmcdaris> o well ;)
[12:07] <ObrienDave> hear about the guy that threw out a hard drive with 7.5 Million dollars worth of bitcoin on it? ROFL
[12:11] <mmcdaris> silly silly, there is a guy looking for a hard drive in the dump
[12:11] <mmcdaris> one man's treasure... becomes his trash
[13:24] <MtDewFella> Hello
[13:24] <cfhowlett> MtDewFella, greetings
[13:24] <MtDewFella> I'm having an issue adjusting brightness on my laoptop running xubuntu 13.10
[13:24] <MtDewFella> laptop
[13:25] <MtDewFella> whenever I use the brightness keys, the brightness changes but it also freezes the system
[13:26] <MtDewFella> The only way to change brightness is to use xrandr from the cli, but I would like to  have a gui or keyboard shortcuts
[13:27] <MtDewFella> it's also worth noting that this happens in all linux distros except lxde based ones
[13:27] <MtDewFella> so any Ideas
[13:31] <cfhowlett> MtDewFella, good write up.  sorry, NO idea what's going on.  that last note about lxde threw me completely.  So: install lubuntu?
[13:31] <cfhowlett> MtDewFella, otherwise @ask in #ubuntu - more eyes
[13:32] <MtDewFella> so there is no brightness gui for xrandr or a way to bind keys to xrandr
[13:37] <koegs> MtDewFella: you can bind custom commands to keys
[16:10] <e-DIO-t> ohai, any known issue about the default user not logging through de? ( no problem in bash  - Xauth has the right permissions - any other user works properly )
[16:20] <GridCube> e-DIO-t, probably .Xauthority is corrupted, or either it could be .ICEauthority, i recommend you to delete them both and let them respawn on your next login
[16:21] <e-DIO-t> GridCube: allready tryied with no result. The strangest thing is that if i create another user, there's no problem.
[16:22] <e-DIO-t> i "solved" creating deleting default user and creating it back again via root
[16:22] <e-DIO-t> but well, is not a solution :D
[16:22] <Sysi> xfce session and settings might also have been corrupted
[16:23] <e-DIO-t> Sysi: should I, in that case, be unable to login with any user?
[16:24] <Sysi> no if user's conf is corrupted
[16:25] <e-DIO-t> but... default user's conf corrupted in two different installs ?
[16:25] <Sysi> that doesn't sound so probable
[16:25] <GridCube> e-DIO-t, if the .config on your ~/ get corrupted only the user is affected
[16:26] <e-DIO-t> but just happened: i first tought it was an encrypted-home issue, so i makde another fresh install without it
[16:26] <e-DIO-t> having the same problem
[16:26] <GridCube> it might happen if you inherit incorrect configus
[16:27] <e-DIO-t> mmmh
[16:40] <e-DIO-t> mmmh fyi: it's somehow related to encryptfs. made another fresh install without encryption and ..voilà, it works.
[16:41] <GridCube> e-DIO-t, care to send a bug report?
[16:42] <e-DIO-t> GridCube:  as soon I gather some 'structured' infoes
[18:07] <sku1d> does anybody have a clue how to configure ksh so that one can use CTRL+left to jump before the word (ksh standard is META-B for that)
[18:23] <GridCube> sku1d, http://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/unix3/korn/ch10_03.htm
[18:23] <GridCube> ?¿?
[18:24] <sku1d> GridCube: thx. i found something alike, but cannot figure out, how to find out the value for this mystical .sh.edchar-variable
[18:25] <GridCube> no idea
[18:25] <GridCube> isnt there a ksh channel?
[18:26] <sku1d> GridCube: good idea
[19:27] <slickymaster> knome, regarding https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrontPageRefresh
[19:28] <slickymaster> there's something  I've noticed. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwitchingToUbuntu/FromLinux hasn't been edited/updated since 2010
[19:33] <xubuntu949> hello everybody
[19:34] <xubuntu949> anyone there?
[19:35] <knome> !anyone | xubuntu949
[19:39] <xubuntu949> sorry, my question was "when i want to change a default software on firefox that appear when i download something, i don't know where to find the new software i want to use"
[19:39] <knome> xubuntu949, are you trying to install new software?
[19:39] <xubuntu949> no
[19:40] <knome> xubuntu949, right, you mean the mimetypes
[19:40] <knome> xubuntu949, first, you shouldn't have to do that manually (the applications that can open certain types of files should be in the proposed list), but you can find most of the binaries in /usr/bin
[19:40] <knome> xubuntu949, what kind of files are you trying to open?
[19:42] <xubuntu949> torrent, i just want to change to another that i have install but don't appear
[19:44] <knome> look in /usr/bin/ for the binary
[19:45] <xubuntu949> i have just try out and it work thanks <knome>
[19:45] <knome> np, enjoy
[19:52] <photon> Will Xubuntu 14.04 LTS also be supported for 5 years (instead of the previous 3 years)?
[19:53] <pleia2> photon: no, only 3
[19:53] <photon> Then the Wikipedia page is wrong: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xubuntu#Xubuntu_14.04_LTS
[19:53] <pleia2> indeed it is, care to fix it?
[19:54] <photon> I will. Is there any reliable source I can quote?
[19:54] <photon> pleia2 on freenode doesn't count :p
[19:55] <pleia2> it's in our strategy document, sec
[19:55] <pleia2> photon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Release_and_Support_Cycles
[19:55] <pleia2> "The Xubuntu release cycle consists of 6 months from start to release, then an additional 9 month of maintenance for standard releases and 3 years of support for LTS releases."
[19:56] <pleia2> and thank you :)
[19:57] <pleia2> the wikipedia page still has the odd "Despite this, the project members indicated that Xubuntu 12.04 would go ahead as scheduled." under History too
[19:57] <pleia2> that was long ago!
[20:00] <knome> photon, ta! if you're willing to help us update the page in general, please join #xubuntu-devel and stick :)
[20:16] <photon> Fixed it. Concerning the "Despite this, ..." paragraph, I don't find it odd at all, its wording is still accurate today (It just describes what was indicated in the past, plus it's in the History section). Btw, you're free to change what you don't like on WP, you don't even need to register and it's really easy.
[20:17] <photon> @knome: I'm absolutely willing to help, but I'm short on time right now, and I don't want to make a half-arsed attempt at updating the page that will more likely make it worse. :p When I have more time on my hands I will come back and try to help.
[20:18] <knome> photon, that's appreciated. cheers :)
[20:36] <CreamedChicken> Hello! I just purchased a new laptop with integrated Intel HD 4000 graphics. I haven't downloaded Xubuntu yet, but which version should I get, and how would I get the drivers for my graphics card?
[20:36] <CreamedChicken> Google says 12.04 doesn't support SNA natively, so should I get 13.10 instead?
[20:40] <sonne> CreamedChicken, not sure about your specific case, but 13.10 will have better support for newer hardware... unless you need an LTS i'd go for 13.10
[20:42] <CreamedChicken> I guess I'll go for 13.10 then, but is there anything specific I need to do for graphic drivers? Like this? https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?DwnldID=13815
[20:43] <CreamedChicken> Or this? http://www.webupd8.org/2013/05/intel-linux-graphics-installer.html
[20:46] <newguy> anyone online?
[20:47] <newguy> Guys?
[21:34] <mio6> hey guys, what is a good RSS reader for Xubuntu or linux generally? Also related - what fees should I really subscribe to?
[21:37] <knome> i use thunderbird to aggregate my feeds since i also use it for mail everyday
[21:37] <knome> but generally, since your needs might vary, it's really hard to say what is a good/the best reader
[21:38] <mio6> oh, feeds regarding linux of course :-)
[21:38] <mio6> and xubuntu I figure, as I am a xubuntu user
[21:38] <knome> mio6, http://xubuntu.org/feed/
[21:39] <mio6> great, thank you. sorry for the noob questions, I'm just starting with rss. p.s. what is the rss status btw? I know it's been developed long time ago, are there many rss users? any statistics to be found? (a bit off topic i hope it's ok)
[21:40] <knome> i would guess many people use rss and/or other feeds, even without knowing they do; it's a powerful way to exchanged "news"-style data
[21:41] <knome> i don't think there are any statistics apart from how many people follow a specific feed
[21:41] <mio6> knome: "even without knowing they do" -- what do you mean by that?
[21:41] <Unit193> I use newsbeuter.
[21:42] <knome> i'm pretty sure many smartphone applications etc. use rss/some other feed mechanism, but it's not presented as such to their users
[21:42] <mio6> oh, sounds reasonable
[21:43] <mio6> however besides programmers or people who deal with computers everyday (hobbists enthusaists etc.), I've never heard casual people use rss or even know what it is
[21:45] <knome> mio6, we should continue this discussion on #xubuntu-offtopic (if you want to discuss that, or any other topic outside support questions)
[21:46] <mio6> knome: certainly, I wondered if off topic is allowed and that answers it. Thanks for your time :-)
[21:47] <knome> no problem, welcome to -offtopic!
[22:02] <xubuntu877> Anyone from Jersey here?
[22:02] <knome> xubuntu877, this is the support channel, you should take the general discussion to #xubuntu-offtopic
[22:03] <xubuntu877> got it
[22:21] <xubuntu441> how long does it take to install xubuntu?
[22:21] <bekks> xubuntu441: about 20 minutes on recent hardware
[22:21] <xubuntu441> I've been waiting for this for 20mins now
[22:22] <xubuntu441> My CD rom isn't doing /spinning anymore
[22:22] <xubuntu441> There's no progress bar - should there be?
[22:22] <bekks> Where is "there"?
[22:22] <xubuntu441> I've got this thank you screen with a mouse
[22:23] <xubuntu441> installation screens
[22:36] <Orioa> evening
[22:38] <Tom____> I am skepticle if I should get Xubuntu
[22:39] <knome> ok. do you have a question?
[22:40] <Tom____> Well, when I install it will it remove everything I have installed/wipe my hard drive?
[22:41] <GridCube> what do you mean?
[22:41] <knome> Tom____, depends how you install, but you should always take backups of any important data before you install
[22:42] <Tom____> Alright
[22:42] <Tom____> Because I would like to keep my stuff xD
[23:14] <poeticrpm> anyone have any idea why I cant get an application to autostart when xfce starts up? Ive put a .desktop file in ~/.config/autostart linked to a simple bash script.
[23:15] <poeticrpm> I have checked that the box allowing it to run as an executable is marked, and the script itself is very simple
[23:16] <poeticrpm> it literally just launches pytyle2
[23:16] <poeticrpm> #!/bin/sh       (next line----->) pytyle2
[23:24] <bekks> poeticrpm: use the full path to pytyle2
[23:25] <poeticrpm> bekks: thanks, ill give that a shot. Why does the script work when executed on its own?
[23:26] <bekks> Try it, maybe my approach doesnt work too :)
[23:27] <poeticrpm> gonna give it a shot.. brb
[23:31] <Tom____> I am new to Ubuntu/Xubunu and would like to know if I can run Xubuntu alongside Windows
[23:31] <knome> !dualboot
[23:31] <Tom____> Someone told me that I could chose when booting up my computer
[23:31] <Tom____> *choose
[23:31] <knome> Tom____, see the instructions on those urls
[23:32] <Tom____> Alright
[23:32] <Tom____> THanks
[23:32] <knome> that should at least get you started
[23:35] <Tom____> Thanks for the links but how can I get a recovery cd/dvd?
[23:35] <knome> for windows?
[23:35] <Tom____> Yes
[23:36] <knome> ask your PC provider if you haven't got one
[23:36] <Tom____> Okay