| belkinsa | I might try that layout idea on another page that might need it | 00:48 |
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| knome | belkinsa, sure, or you can poke me to work on that page as well. | 12:51 |
| knome | the wiki markup for that isn't the cleanest, so you probably want to avoid that for pages that are edited a lot | 12:53 |
| knome | belkinsa, also online on irc. | 16:57 |
| belkinsa | Hmmm? | 16:57 |
| knome | if you want to follow up on the mailing list discussion faster | 16:57 |
| belkinsa | True, true, but I think I want to have everyone able to read what we are talking about at their own pace. | 16:58 |
| knome | or we can discuss in irc and send the outcome to the mailing list. but both ways work for me :) | 16:58 |
| belkinsa | Sure. | 16:59 |
| belkinsa | And I ended up changing my siggy to something better then just having my User Wiki page link. | 17:13 |
| knome | :) | 17:14 |
| knome | i guess i should think about including that in my sig | 17:15 |
| belkinsa | knome, I understand now the differnce from what you want and the Recent Changes page | 17:23 |
| knome | do you think that is something that would help you track what you originally wanted without having to update the tags for every release? | 17:29 |
| belkinsa | Yeah. | 17:29 |
| knome | ok, cool | 17:29 |
| belkinsa | Might make clean up and editing easier | 17:30 |
| belkinsa | We just need some system that works for us the team members and the users also | 17:30 |
| knome | if there's a new page, it's easy to tag that | 17:31 |
| knome | becuase it's always the current month | 17:31 |
| belkinsa | But wouldn't that create too many tags? | 17:31 |
| knome | one per month | 17:34 |
| knome | what is "too many"? | 17:34 |
| knome | the idea would obviously to keep the tags to minimum | 17:34 |
| belkinsa | One per month maybe too many in the long run. | 17:34 |
| knome | we wouldn't want a page that's 5 years old | 17:35 |
| knome | so it would either be deleted, or marked as reviewed | 17:35 |
| belkinsa | Yeah, but think what will happen in five years. | 17:35 |
| belkinsa | Or ten. | 17:35 |
| knome | i don't think it's a problem even if we have 50 tags if they're all useful, | 17:36 |
| belkinsa | Heh. Also, another issue that I see that how many users who work on wiki pages will tag their pages. By users, I mean the ones who are outside of the team. | 17:37 |
| knome | not many i suppose | 17:37 |
| knome | but that will always be a problem | 17:37 |
| knome | once we have all pages tagged with months (and ideally with other meaningful tags), it's easy to keep on tagging new pages | 17:38 |
| belkinsa | Unless it was restricted for the users in the team, but is that what we want? | 17:38 |
| knome | why should it be? | 17:38 |
| belkinsa | It is* | 17:38 |
| belkinsa | but is that we don't want* | 17:38 |
| belkinsa | My reasoning behind is to keep everything under *OUR* control and to our standards. | 17:39 |
| knome | i don't see a reason why we would want to restict tagging to team as long as people know the guidelines | 17:39 |
| knome | that means there will be much more work burden for the team | 17:39 |
| belkinsa | Yeah, but I think they are not visble or something. | 17:39 |
| knome | and the non-team members will never learn tagging | 17:40 |
| knome | and the threshold to join the team and start tagging is bigger | 17:40 |
| belkinsa | Ah. | 17:40 |
| knome | in the same way as the wiki is editable by anyone, so should be the tags | 17:41 |
| belkinsa | Well, I know that wiki admins are notified of changes, right? | 17:41 |
| knome | i'm quite sure people who do not know about tagging won't tag | 17:41 |
| knome | are if they are subscribed to pages | 17:41 |
| knome | you can subscribe as well | 17:41 |
| belkinsa | Yes, but I think I would like to have a digest or something instead. | 17:41 |
| belkinsa | AFK-Lunch | 17:42 |
| knome | i don't think there are digest deliveries, but you could subscribe to part of the pages | 17:48 |
| knome | and share the whole wiki in smaller parts for the team | 17:48 |
| knome | what's the CategoryDocumentation used for? | 17:51 |
| knome | that doesn't seem to be a large, or logical group | 17:51 |
| belkinsa | I like that idea using categories to split up the work, but still that could be a large sum of pages. | 17:52 |
| belkinsa | I agree, WTF is CategoryDocumentatio. | 17:56 |
| belkinsa | +n | 17:56 |
| belkinsa | Should I ask on the list? | 17:56 |
| knome | i don't know. doesn't hurt to. | 18:00 |
| belkinsa | Thanks, on it! | 18:00 |
| belkinsa | Wow, another month with 100 threads in our mailing list and fast filling in the first two weeks. | 18:18 |
| knome | front page for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ updated. | 18:23 |
| belkinsa | Thumbs up! X2 | 18:36 |
| knome | if you are bored, go through the list of pages at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag/Deletion/List | 18:42 |
| belkinsa | I will, but I'm studying for my finals. | 18:42 |
| knome | http://open.knome.fi/2013/12/07/efforts-on-documentation/ | 20:13 |
| belkinsa | You rock. | 20:14 |
| belkinsa | And this is what I tweeted: Svetlana Belkin @Barsookain now | 20:15 |
| belkinsa | knome of the Doc-Team posted his reasons for joining and working with us:http://open.knome.fi/2013/12/07/efforts-on-documentation/ … | 20:15 |
| knome | ta | 20:16 |
| * knome bows | 20:16 | |
| belkinsa | Speaking of blogging, I need to post something in The Ubuntu Sense. But what. | 20:19 |
| cprofitt | nice to see so much work being done... I am dealing with a sick kid today. | 20:20 |
| knome | cprofitt, get well soons for your kid | 20:21 |
| belkinsa | Ditoo | 20:22 |
| belkinsa | ditt* | 20:22 |
| belkinsa | ditto** | 20:22 |
| belkinsa | knome: You think your layout could work for this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Wiki ? | 21:29 |
| knome | i guess, i don't know if it needs that though | 21:29 |
| belkinsa | Or is it just hard to follow in general? | 21:30 |
| knome | that might be it | 21:32 |
| belkinsa | Yeah, I think nskaggs said that in the vUDS. | 21:32 |
| knome | i think the header for those pages could be improved. | 21:32 |
| belkinsa | It's his action item to work on that, not mine. | 21:32 |
| belkinsa | Yeah, that too. | 21:32 |
| belkinsa | nskaggs = ballons? | 21:33 |
| knome | yep | 21:33 |
| belkinsa | I was rewatching the vUDS session and I was thinking about what I added to the action items...I still don't get where or what I was thinking when I added my item | 21:34 |
| knome | maybe the pad? | 21:35 |
| belkinsa | Could be. | 21:35 |
| belkinsa | But for the Ubuntu Docs, themselves, I agree that we need a workflow of what we do in each cycle, but someone else has to take that since I'm not doing system docs | 21:37 |
| knome | you could document the rest | 21:38 |
| belkinsa | As in? | 21:38 |
| knome | the non-system docs related tasks | 21:38 |
| belkinsa | Gotcha and yeah, I can. | 21:38 |
| belkinsa | I updated the action item to say workflow of the wiki part. | 21:39 |
| belkinsa | I will make a copy of the page that I linked to my sandbox so we can work on it. | 21:41 |
| knome | sure | 21:41 |
| belkinsa | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa/sandbox/wikiworkflow | 21:43 |
| * belkinsa goes back studying | 21:44 | |
| belkinsa | God, I feel sad for the folks who need to check their e-mails in the team. | 22:49 |
| knome | what images are you referring to in your email? | 22:49 |
| belkinsa | The ones that were included in each box | 22:49 |
| knome | can't see any in the current menu banner | 22:50 |
| belkinsa | Yeah, I forgot that there wasn't any. | 22:50 |
| belkinsa | But I like the idea, it's more modern. | 22:50 |
| belkinsa | and cleaner | 22:50 |
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