[00:48] I might try that layout idea on another page that might need it [12:51] belkinsa, sure, or you can poke me to work on that page as well. [12:53] the wiki markup for that isn't the cleanest, so you probably want to avoid that for pages that are edited a lot [16:57] belkinsa, also online on irc. [16:57] Hmmm? [16:57] if you want to follow up on the mailing list discussion faster [16:58] True, true, but I think I want to have everyone able to read what we are talking about at their own pace. [16:58] or we can discuss in irc and send the outcome to the mailing list. but both ways work for me :) [16:59] Sure. [17:13] And I ended up changing my siggy to something better then just having my User Wiki page link. [17:14] :) [17:15] i guess i should think about including that in my sig [17:23] knome, I understand now the differnce from what you want and the Recent Changes page [17:29] do you think that is something that would help you track what you originally wanted without having to update the tags for every release? [17:29] Yeah. [17:29] ok, cool [17:30] Might make clean up and editing easier [17:30] We just need some system that works for us the team members and the users also [17:31] if there's a new page, it's easy to tag that [17:31] becuase it's always the current month [17:31] But wouldn't that create too many tags? [17:34] one per month [17:34] what is "too many"? [17:34] the idea would obviously to keep the tags to minimum [17:34] One per month maybe too many in the long run. [17:35] we wouldn't want a page that's 5 years old [17:35] so it would either be deleted, or marked as reviewed [17:35] Yeah, but think what will happen in five years. [17:35] Or ten. [17:36] i don't think it's a problem even if we have 50 tags if they're all useful, [17:37] Heh. Also, another issue that I see that how many users who work on wiki pages will tag their pages. By users, I mean the ones who are outside of the team. [17:37] not many i suppose [17:37] but that will always be a problem [17:38] once we have all pages tagged with months (and ideally with other meaningful tags), it's easy to keep on tagging new pages [17:38] Unless it was restricted for the users in the team, but is that what we want? [17:38] why should it be? [17:38] It is* [17:38] but is that we don't want* [17:39] My reasoning behind is to keep everything under *OUR* control and to our standards. [17:39] i don't see a reason why we would want to restict tagging to team as long as people know the guidelines [17:39] that means there will be much more work burden for the team [17:39] Yeah, but I think they are not visble or something. [17:40] and the non-team members will never learn tagging [17:40] and the threshold to join the team and start tagging is bigger [17:40] Ah. [17:41] in the same way as the wiki is editable by anyone, so should be the tags [17:41] Well, I know that wiki admins are notified of changes, right? [17:41] i'm quite sure people who do not know about tagging won't tag [17:41] are if they are subscribed to pages [17:41] you can subscribe as well [17:41] Yes, but I think I would like to have a digest or something instead. [17:42] AFK-Lunch [17:48] i don't think there are digest deliveries, but you could subscribe to part of the pages [17:48] and share the whole wiki in smaller parts for the team [17:51] what's the CategoryDocumentation used for? [17:51] that doesn't seem to be a large, or logical group [17:52] I like that idea using categories to split up the work, but still that could be a large sum of pages. [17:56] I agree, WTF is CategoryDocumentatio. [17:56] +n [17:56] Should I ask on the list? [18:00] i don't know. doesn't hurt to. [18:00] Thanks, on it! [18:18] Wow, another month with 100 threads in our mailing list and fast filling in the first two weeks. [18:23] front page for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ updated. [18:36] Thumbs up! X2 [18:42] if you are bored, go through the list of pages at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag/Deletion/List [18:42] I will, but I'm studying for my finals. [20:13] http://open.knome.fi/2013/12/07/efforts-on-documentation/ [20:14] You rock. [20:15] And this is what I tweeted: Svetlana Belkin ‏@Barsookain now [20:15] knome of the Doc-Team posted his reasons for joining and working with us:http://open.knome.fi/2013/12/07/efforts-on-documentation/ … [20:16] ta [20:16] * knome bows [20:19] Speaking of blogging, I need to post something in The Ubuntu Sense. But what. [20:20] nice to see so much work being done... I am dealing with a sick kid today. [20:21] cprofitt, get well soons for your kid [20:22] Ditoo [20:22] ditt* [20:22] ditto** [21:29] knome: You think your layout could work for this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Wiki ? [21:29] i guess, i don't know if it needs that though [21:30] Or is it just hard to follow in general? [21:32] that might be it [21:32] Yeah, I think nskaggs said that in the vUDS. [21:32] i think the header for those pages could be improved. [21:32] It's his action item to work on that, not mine. [21:32] Yeah, that too. [21:33] nskaggs = ballons? [21:33] yep [21:34] I was rewatching the vUDS session and I was thinking about what I added to the action items...I still don't get where or what I was thinking when I added my item [21:35] maybe the pad? [21:35] Could be. [21:37] But for the Ubuntu Docs, themselves, I agree that we need a workflow of what we do in each cycle, but someone else has to take that since I'm not doing system docs [21:38] you could document the rest [21:38] As in? [21:38] the non-system docs related tasks [21:38] Gotcha and yeah, I can. [21:39] I updated the action item to say workflow of the wiki part. [21:41] I will make a copy of the page that I linked to my sandbox so we can work on it. [21:41] sure [21:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa/sandbox/wikiworkflow [21:44] * belkinsa goes back studying [22:49] God, I feel sad for the folks who need to check their e-mails in the team. [22:49] what images are you referring to in your email? [22:49] The ones that were included in each box [22:50] can't see any in the current menu banner [22:50] Yeah, I forgot that there wasn't any. [22:50] But I like the idea, it's more modern. [22:50] and cleaner