[00:48] <belkinsa> I might try that layout idea on another page that might need it
[12:51] <knome> belkinsa, sure, or you can poke me to work on that page as well.
[12:53] <knome> the wiki markup for that isn't the cleanest, so you probably want to avoid that for pages that are edited a lot
[16:57] <knome> belkinsa, also online on irc.
[16:57] <belkinsa> Hmmm?
[16:57] <knome> if you want to follow up on the mailing list discussion faster
[16:58] <belkinsa> True, true, but I think I want to have everyone able to read what we are talking about at their own pace.
[16:58] <knome> or we can discuss in irc and send the outcome to the mailing list. but both ways work for me :)
[16:59] <belkinsa> Sure.
[17:13] <belkinsa> And I ended up changing my siggy to something better then just having my User Wiki page link.
[17:14] <knome> :)
[17:15] <knome> i guess i should think about including that in my sig
[17:23] <belkinsa> knome, I understand now the differnce from what you want and the Recent Changes page
[17:29] <knome> do you think that is something that would help you track what you originally wanted without having to update the tags for every release?
[17:29] <belkinsa> Yeah.
[17:29] <knome> ok, cool
[17:30] <belkinsa> Might make clean up and editing easier
[17:30] <belkinsa> We just need some system that works for us the team members and the users also
[17:31] <knome> if there's a new page, it's easy to tag that
[17:31] <knome> becuase it's always the current month
[17:31] <belkinsa> But wouldn't that create too many tags?
[17:34] <knome> one per month
[17:34] <knome> what is "too many"?
[17:34] <knome> the idea would obviously to keep the tags to minimum
[17:34] <belkinsa> One per month maybe too many in the long run.
[17:35] <knome> we wouldn't want a page that's 5 years old
[17:35] <knome> so it would either be deleted, or marked as reviewed
[17:35] <belkinsa> Yeah, but think what will happen in five years.
[17:35] <belkinsa> Or ten.
[17:36] <knome> i don't think it's a problem even if we have 50 tags if they're all useful,
[17:37] <belkinsa> Heh.  Also, another issue that I see that how many users who work on wiki pages will tag their pages.  By users, I mean the ones who are outside of the team.
[17:37] <knome> not many i suppose
[17:37] <knome> but that will always be a problem
[17:38] <knome> once we have all pages tagged with months (and ideally with other meaningful tags), it's easy to keep on tagging new pages
[17:38] <belkinsa> Unless it was restricted for the users in the team, but is that what we want?
[17:38] <knome> why should it be?
[17:38] <belkinsa> It is*
[17:38] <belkinsa> but is that we don't want*
[17:39] <belkinsa> My reasoning behind is to keep everything under *OUR* control and to our standards.
[17:39] <knome> i don't see a reason why we would want to restict tagging to team as long as people know the guidelines
[17:39] <knome> that means there will be much more work burden for the team
[17:39] <belkinsa> Yeah, but I think they are not visble or something.
[17:40] <knome> and the non-team members will never learn tagging
[17:40] <knome> and the threshold to join the team and start tagging is bigger
[17:40] <belkinsa> Ah.
[17:41] <knome> in the same way as the wiki is editable by anyone, so should be the tags
[17:41] <belkinsa> Well, I know that wiki admins are notified of changes, right?
[17:41] <knome> i'm quite sure people who do not know about tagging won't tag
[17:41] <knome> are if they are subscribed to pages
[17:41] <knome> you can subscribe as well
[17:41] <belkinsa> Yes, but I think I would like to have a digest or something instead.
[17:42] <belkinsa> AFK-Lunch
[17:48] <knome> i don't think there are digest deliveries, but you could subscribe to part of the pages
[17:48] <knome> and share the whole wiki in smaller parts for the team
[17:51] <knome> what's the CategoryDocumentation used for?
[17:51] <knome> that doesn't seem to be a large, or logical group
[17:52] <belkinsa> I like that idea using categories to split up the work, but still that could be a large sum of pages.
[17:56] <belkinsa> I agree, WTF is CategoryDocumentatio.
[17:56] <belkinsa> +n
[17:56] <belkinsa> Should I ask on the list?
[18:00] <knome> i don't know. doesn't hurt to.
[18:00] <belkinsa> Thanks, on it!
[18:18] <belkinsa> Wow, another month with 100 threads in our mailing list and fast filling in the first two weeks.
[18:23] <knome> front page for https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ updated.
[18:36] <belkinsa> Thumbs up! X2
[18:42] <knome> if you are bored, go through the list of pages at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag/Deletion/List
[18:42] <belkinsa> I will, but I'm studying for my finals.
[20:13] <knome> http://open.knome.fi/2013/12/07/efforts-on-documentation/
[20:14] <belkinsa> You rock.
[20:15] <belkinsa> And this is what I tweeted: Svetlana Belkin ‏@Barsookain now
[20:15] <belkinsa> knome of the Doc-Team posted his reasons for joining and working with us:http://open.knome.fi/2013/12/07/efforts-on-documentation/ …
[20:16] <knome> ta
[20:16]  * knome bows
[20:19] <belkinsa> Speaking of blogging, I need to post something in The Ubuntu Sense.  But what.
[20:20] <cprofitt> nice to see so much work being done... I am dealing with a sick kid today.
[20:21] <knome> cprofitt, get well soons for your kid
[20:22] <belkinsa> Ditoo
[20:22] <belkinsa> ditt*
[20:22] <belkinsa> ditto**
[21:29] <belkinsa> knome: You think your layout could work for this page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/Wiki ?
[21:29] <knome> i guess, i don't know if it needs that though
[21:30] <belkinsa> Or is it just hard to follow in general?
[21:32] <knome> that might be it
[21:32] <belkinsa> Yeah, I think nskaggs said that in the vUDS.
[21:32] <knome> i think the header for those pages could be improved.
[21:32] <belkinsa> It's his action item to work on that, not mine.
[21:32] <belkinsa> Yeah, that too.
[21:33] <belkinsa> nskaggs = ballons?
[21:33] <knome> yep
[21:34] <belkinsa> I was rewatching the vUDS session and I was thinking about what I added to the action items...I still don't get where or what I was thinking when I added my item
[21:35] <knome>  maybe the pad?
[21:35] <belkinsa> Could be.
[21:37] <belkinsa> But for the Ubuntu Docs, themselves, I agree that we need a workflow of what we do in each cycle, but someone else has to take that since I'm not doing system docs
[21:38] <knome> you could document the rest
[21:38] <belkinsa> As in?
[21:38] <knome> the non-system docs related tasks
[21:38] <belkinsa> Gotcha and yeah, I can.
[21:39] <belkinsa> I updated the action item to say workflow of the wiki part.
[21:41] <belkinsa> I will make a copy of the page that I linked to my sandbox so we can work on it.
[21:41] <knome> sure
[21:43] <belkinsa> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/belkinsa/sandbox/wikiworkflow
[21:44]  * belkinsa goes back studying
[22:49] <belkinsa> God, I feel sad for the folks who need to check their e-mails in the team.
[22:49] <knome> what images are you referring to in your email?
[22:49] <belkinsa> The ones that were included in each box
[22:50] <knome> can't see any in the current menu banner
[22:50] <belkinsa> Yeah, I forgot that there wasn't any.
[22:50] <belkinsa> But I  like the idea, it's more modern.
[22:50] <belkinsa> and cleaner