[05:26] <knightwise> morning
[05:39] <shauno> barely.  go back to sleep!
[05:55] <mappps> hey
[05:55] <mappps> sleep time for me soon:P
[09:39] <popey> mng
[09:40] <MartijnVdS> gmng 8-)
[10:40] <foobarry> http://imgur.com/gallery/pvIJ57a
[10:40] <foobarry> :D
[10:41] <foobarry> http://windoge.com/
[10:41] <foobarry> first time i've seen this
[10:46] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:51] <foobarry> hello brobostigon
[10:51] <foobarry> i think everyone is out today
[10:51] <brobostigon> morning foobarry
[10:56] <foobarry> whats happening today>?
[11:04] <Myrtti> car shoppin
[11:08] <foobarry> is that \o/ or /o\
[11:12] <foobarry> i was scanning in some photos my dad left behind and as i took one out of the frame, i found a hidden one of my nan, probably taken in 1930s/40s :)
[11:13] <popey> o/
[11:14] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/tdrx0Fa.jpg
[11:14] <foobarry> ive tried colourising one but i wasnt v good
[11:15] <foobarry> http://i.imgur.com/q5q3Xi5.jpg
[11:15] <foobarry> turns out its quite hard
[11:20] <popey> http://en.reddit.com/r/ColorizationRequests
[11:20] <foobarry> not sure what going rate is
[11:20] <popey> scan through some existing requests
[11:21] <foobarry> just says PM and discuss, i was trawling a few last night
[11:24] <popey> http://en.reddit.com/user/RDSKNS seems quite active
[11:24] <popey> saw some of his previous stuff
[11:24] <popey> http://i.imgur.com/blDdcwl.png
[11:25] <foobarry> cool ta i will look
[11:30] <Myrtti> foobarry: /o\
[13:23] <foobarry>  EP0618540 on a “common name space for long and short filenames” is invalid in its entirety (including Microsoft’s proposed amendments) because the court found that all of the elements distinguishing the patented invention from the prior art (which includes a Linus Torvalds post to a mailing list) did not satisfy the technicity requirement under European patent law.
[13:23] <foobarry> FAT patent prior art \o/
[13:27] <brobostigon> how do i get rid of widgets off the desktop on android 4.4?
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: long-press, then drag them to the trash can at the top
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: same as removing icons
[13:36] <brobostigon> thank you MartijnVdS
[13:40] <brobostigon> am having a play with cm-11-m1 on my nexus7
[13:42]  * foobarry wonders if b&q still sell sugru
[13:42] <foobarry> brobostigon: also if you long hold while the icon is on the trash can, you can uninstall apps too
[13:44] <brobostigon> interesting.
[14:15] <MartijnVdS> http://i.imgur.com/NPacWrV.png
[14:16] <brobostigon> lol
[14:21] <brobostigon> found a bug, in landscape orientation the remove thing doesnt appear, but in portrait shows up fine.
[14:58] <knightwise> afternoon ladies
[15:04] <brobostigon> afternoodlings knightwise
[16:38] <mapps> brr prety cold today!
[16:38] <foobarry> its OK in london
[16:38] <penguin42> yeh seems warm up here in Manc
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> It's ice cold in .nl
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> not quite freezing
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> but it feels like it
[16:39] <mapps> seems cold here in Stoke
[16:39] <mapps> just wokeup and went downstairs and house is cold
[16:39]  * foobarry has central heating
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: well yes, inside..
[16:39] <foobarry> wish i could go back to bed
[16:39] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: but I have to go outside soon :|
[16:39] <mapps> I'm going to nl next week ..i expected it to be cold
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> mapps: hah, I'm on London next week 8-)
[16:40] <mapps> and whats with all the non UK in here1! thought it was ubuntu-uk (im just kidding ) :)
[16:40] <mapps> cool
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> on? in!
[16:40] <mapps> where in Holland are you?
[16:40] <foobarry> just had to stand in a feidl for 30 mins throwing a ball for the dog
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> mapps: in "Alphen aan den Rijn"
[16:40] <foobarry> mmm alpen
[16:40] <mapps> I'm staying in some crummy hotel in leidseplein
[16:41] <mapps> lol foobarry
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> mapps: in the most expensive bit of the city, then
[16:41] <foobarry> mmmm lederhosen
[16:41] <mapps> leidseplein ? i dont know
[16:41] <mapps> i just know it said
[16:41] <mapps> lots of bars/restaurants around
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> mapps: it's in the middle of the "food for tourists" area
[16:41] <mapps> ah yes
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> mapps: check out paradiso.nl and melkweg.nl -- they're both right next to Leidseplein :)
[16:42] <foobarry> i just dicsovered that eating lebkuchen followed by marzipan is super scrummy and christmassy
[16:42] <mapps> so all those clubs in leidseplein do normal dutch people go there? or not?
[16:42] <mapps> want to go to places that arent just tourists
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> mapps: rarely. Melkweg and Paradiso are popular with everyone though
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> mapps: but they're more concert venues
[16:42] <mapps> ah yes i heard of paradiso
[16:42] <foobarry> lol i went to eindhoven and they wanted to go to amsterdam or maastricht for a night out. i said why not the bars here? we're only here for the weekend
[16:42] <mapps> ah
[16:43] <mapps> heh foobarry  :D
[16:43] <mapps> its just nice to not go to places toutists only go
[16:43] <mapps> prefer going where the locals would go too
[16:44] <foobarry> why you there?
[16:44] <foobarry> family trip?
[16:44] <foobarry> shexy weekend?
[16:44] <mapps> na just a trip with a friend going for 3 nights/4 days
[16:44] <MartijnVdS> mapps: I don't know any of those.. I only work in Amsterdam, I don't live there ;)
[16:45] <mapps> aha
[16:45] <mapps> its like in Prague the bars in the main area asre as my czch friend puts it 'tourist traps'
[16:45] <mapps> and no czech people go there lol hardly surprisinggiven the ripoff prices
[16:45]  * penguin42 was in Munich Monday/Tuesday - didn't get too much time to look around, wasn't as cold as people had warmed me it would be
[16:45] <MartijnVdS> mapps: I'm never going back to Prague. Horrible city imho.
[16:46] <mapps> really?
[16:46] <mapps> I likd it a lot
[16:46] <foobarry> would it be nice if nobody else was there?
[16:46] <foobarry> i watched a programme about stag parties in prague
[16:46] <foobarry> not pleasant
[16:47] <mapps> well foobarry except yea noral uk bar fine..but goin abroad you dont wanna go to some bar and pay ripoff prices on your own
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: Everything was black and grimy.. nobody seemed to understand/speak any language in common with me
[16:47] <mapps> ah i didnt go anywhere like that
[16:47] <MartijnVdS> beer was cheap, that's a plus.. but meh
[16:47] <foobarry> they also reckoned the stats are that if a stag party is going from UK -> prague then the chances are around 50% that the groom sleeps with a prossie
[16:47] <mapps> yea thats true MartijnVdS
[16:47] <mapps> umm
[16:48] <foobarry> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03cwv1l
[16:48] <mapps> when i was in prage i was surprised how few people understood me and could speak english..retal workers/bars/clubs a bit..but not much
[16:48] <mapps> and some people..nothing AT ALL
[16:48] <mapps> like MartijnVdS  said
[16:48] <mapps> but my friend on the other hand..he can speak english fluently..he lived here for a year..he's 34..bu his girlfriend ..25 can barely understand me i had to speak incredibly slow and 'broken english'
[16:49] <mapps> im of the opinion his wont be the case in Holland..like it wouldnt be in sweden/denmark/norway?
[16:49] <lornajane> mapps: in NL you will find English in most places, definitely
[16:49] <mapps> yea
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> If not all..
[16:49] <mapps> you learn it at school?
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[16:49] <mapps> yea i thought so
[16:50] <mapps> i think in czech it's optional
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> and from reading Dutch subtitles to American TV shows 8-)
[16:50] <mapps> which is crazy
[16:50] <mapps> :D
[16:50] <mapps> i assumed they would learn it in school and understand a bit at least
[16:50] <lornajane> when I go to NL for technical events, they are nearly all in English and everyone can do small talk just as nicely in either language
[16:50] <MartijnVdS> I know a few people who've learned Dutch (or tried), and they complained people just switched to English, instead of letting them try their Dutch 8-)
[16:50] <foobarry> dutch is considered v hard
[16:51] <foobarry> so we learned french instead
[16:51] <lornajane> mapps: the Czech republic hasn't been particularly western-facing until recent decades, I expect that will change.  Just like in Spain, my generation speaks English but their parents spoke French
[16:51] <mapps> but i guess a lot dont care. apparently some are scared to try their english in czech and one girl in particular called Petra ..we were in a small bare in prague and she's just looking a me blank faced and then says 'your accent funny'
[16:51] <mapps> LOL
[16:51] <foobarry> i speak some russki
[16:52] <mapps> hey lornajane  yea that makes sense - but ihe's 34..id have thought a 25 year old girl would be better? also ..when i was in Majorca..ok it's not mainland Spain..the average person there had poor english
[16:52] <mapps> and ofte drew blank stares
[16:52] <lornajane> I dunno, I don't really expect people in other places to speak English
[16:52] <lornajane> certainly I'm much happier going to NL than anywhere else for that reason though
[16:52] <penguin42> the Germans mostly seem to speak good English
[16:53] <mapps> yea
[16:53] <mapps> and the scandos!
[16:53] <MartijnVdS> with heavy German accents 8-)
[16:53] <foobarry> YESSS stoke 3 v 2 chelsea
[16:53] <mapps> everyone swede/dane ive met at work has had great english
[16:53] <mapps> lornajane,  i do when it's tourist areas and most of their business seems to be from tourists
[16:53] <mapps> i kinda expect a decent level of english
[16:54] <penguin42> (the only one that didn't was a checkout worker at a supermarket - but the till told me the right amount, but why don't they have self scans....)
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I hate self-scans
[16:54] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I love them!
[16:54] <foobarry> unexpected item in bagging area
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I'm always in line behind a technophone
[16:54] <mapps> hm i do and i dont..it's convenient at times..but then it's also doing someone out of a job
[16:54] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Oh it was like that when they were introduced a few years ago here, but they've been here for so long it's not a problem any more
[16:55] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: and anyway the technophobes go to the meetbag line
[16:55] <foobarry> there's a minimum lengh of time for those self  checkout, which is far longer than throwing exacg change at a person
[16:55] <foobarry> i'm buying one item, why do i have to put it in bagging area
[16:55] <foobarry> before paying
[16:55] <mapps> but what if they just made it all self serve
[16:56] <mapps> and d away with lots of retail workers
[16:56] <mapps> that wouldn't be good - wouldn't affect me much but still
[16:56] <foobarry> ever bought 200 items at once?
[16:56] <mapps> dont think so
[16:56] <foobarry> it would take forever on those crappy self serve things
[16:56] <mapps> yea
[16:56] <foobarry> massive queues
[16:57] <foobarry> most shopping is in that format
[16:57] <penguin42> foobarry: Oh I generally have the ones I know down to seconds in the selfscan for one item
[16:57] <mapps> with the pesky weight thing too saying 'please put the item on' when it already is
[16:57] <foobarry> weekly shops for family
[16:57] <mapps> got 2 holidays left from my holiday allowance for this year:D
[16:57] <penguin42> but yeh I do use them for a handful of items rather than a full shop
[16:57] <foobarry> got 1 day.. plus 5 days which i will carry
[16:58] <mapps> i just use them for small stuff normally
[16:58] <mapps> i do my big shop online anyway as i dont have a car
[16:59] <mapps> Holland - december ..Finland January..back to Majorca in March
[16:59] <mapps> should be enough to remind me i have to keep working for a living
[16:59] <mapps> :)
[17:04]  * foobarry doesn't have a pasport
[17:04] <mapps> :(
[17:04] <mapps> expired?
[17:05] <foobarry> few years ago
[17:05] <mapps> right pita when ythey expire
[17:05] <mapps> like 60/70 quid aint it to renew?
[17:05] <foobarry> probby 80+ now
[17:05] <foobarry> dnno
[17:06] <foobarry> young kids = estate car and roobbox for holidays
[17:06] <mapps> roobox?
[17:08] <MartijnVdS> roof box?
[17:09] <mapps> oh
[17:09] <mapps> that makres sense yea
[17:09] <MartijnVdS> we call them "grandmother storage boxes" in my family
[17:10] <mapps> hoorah
[17:10] <mapps> got cgiirc working so i can irc from work
[17:10] <mapps> heh
[17:12] <mapps> anyone know which file to edit to change the title yhat appears in the browser
[17:12] <mapps> would prefer it to just say blank page :D
 in <head> .. probably easy to grep?
[17:13] <mapps> how could i grep the entire testing dir including subdirs?
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> grep -r
[17:13] <mapps> testing is where i put it
[17:13] <mapps> ah
[17:13] <mapps> thanks
[17:14] <mapps> grep -r title> * ?
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> no
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> because > is special in shell
[17:15] <mapps> ah of course
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> you have to escape it, using \ (so \>), or quote the entire argument 'like this'
[17:16] <mapps> found it;D mozzila.pm
[17:16] <mapps> thanks mate
[17:24] <mapps> http://94.193.78.219/testing or https://94.193.78.219/testing work for people? seems to when i tried
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> asks for a password on http
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> https complains about the cert
[17:24] <mapps> thanks mate
[17:24] <mapps> yea
[17:24] <mapps> it would do as its generated myself and not signedby a 3rd party
[17:25] <mapps> but for me thats fine..i know its safe and wont complain:D
[17:30] <foobarry> chinese takeaway tonight :) not sure what to get
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: Chinese food.
[17:30] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: asking for pizza would be awkward :P
[17:32] <foobarry> its actually cantonese ;)
[17:33] <popey> \o/ nibbles
[17:44] <mapps> lol
[17:44] <mapps> foobarry, nandos is better!
[17:45] <ali1234> mapps: don't use regexp to parse html
[17:46] <mapps> hm why? all i wanted was to find where title tag is so i could edit tyhe file
[17:46] <ali1234> i guess that's ok
[19:04] <map|work> ;]
[19:04] <map|work> cgiirc working finally :D tried to get webirc working some ajax one but wouldnt work so gave up
[19:05] <map|work> but question..its using SSL on my box..so work cant snoop on what im doing? between work and my machine?
[19:37] <penguin42> did they install your machine?
[19:38] <map|work> my work one yea
[19:38] <penguin42> so they probably installed their own CA certs
[19:38] <map|work> crappy windows machine ..but im connecting to my home server over SSL
[19:39] <map|work> but wait.i mean im connecting to my home server using ssl using my certs
[19:39] <penguin42> how do you know you're using your certs?
[19:39] <map|work> well im connecting to my machines web server using SSL i generated the SSL cert myself so surely i am
[19:40] <map|work> https://94.193.78.219/
[19:40] <penguin42> map|work: But you could have a man-in-the-middle, i.e. your company could get you to connect to something that signs it with something linked to their cert and then makes a new outward connection to your machine
[19:41] <map|work> hmm how would that happen though? surely theyd have to redirect me to somewhere else before connecting to my server
[19:41] <map|work> and my chrome window says its using my certificate when i click the information
[19:41] <penguin42> yeh but that's easily done
[19:42] <penguin42> hmm if it says it's using your certificate and the data shown on that certificate (including all the fingerprints) then it probably isn't being intercepted
[19:43] <map|work> yea ut says its mine..I mean it says error could be insecure..but thats just because my cert isnt signedby a 3rd party CA i believe
[19:44] <penguin42> right, but a man-in-the-middle could generate another self-signed to give to you with the same sig
[19:44] <map|work> so lets assume they arent trying to MITM me..there's probably more for them to do big company 2200 employees
[19:44] <map|work> yea
[19:44] <map|work> ok but asusming they arent and its using my SSL cert my communicayion between work and my server is encrypted?
[19:44] <penguin42> yeh, assuming they haven't got something else installed on your machine monitoring it
[19:44] <map|work> thanks
[19:45] <daftykins> you're at work - you should be working! :)
[19:45] <map|work> well they have remote desktop software..but it tells me when someone connects co i can just quickly close a tap or minimise etc
[19:45] <map|work> dafty im doing my job aswell though..right now:) but i can also irc so i see nothing wrongh
[19:46] <map|work> i read my news sites using feedly at work and all too..aslong as i dont make errors and do my job who cares
[19:46] <penguin42> if you had evil admins they could insert dummy stories in your feed
[19:46] <daftykins> :D yeah i'm just teasing
[19:47] <daftykins> penguin42: lmao - ones about getting sacked due to misapproriation of business resources XD
[19:47] <penguin42> daftykins: Nod
[19:47] <map|work> lol
[19:48] <penguin42> personalised
[19:48] <map|work> that wouldnt be nice:)
[19:48] <map|work> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57614864-71/busboys-mom-throws-ipad-in-fire-customer-buys-him-new-one/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title lol
[19:48] <daftykins> i still need to try out inoreader - i'm not fond of feedly needing a net connection permanently
[19:49] <map|work> i used tio use google reader but obv cant anymore..i love feedly
[19:49] <map|work> works well imo
[19:49]  * penguin42 uses newsblur
[19:50] <map|work> hadnt even heard of it..looking now..web based?
[19:51] <penguin42> web, android app and I think some others
[19:51] <map|work> nice - what do you use browser wise..I used to use ff only..but now mainly chrome just because i can login to my google ac and synch bookmarks at home/work/ipad/phone
[19:53] <penguin42> ff I was using chrome for a while but it got too buggy for me
[19:54] <map|work> yea i do find flash crashes from time to time and sometimes everything runs slow as hell if ive got say 15-20 tabs open
[19:54] <map|work> what you using now
[19:57] <map|work> back in a bit
[20:03] <map|work> http://www.businessinsider.com/smartphone-controlled-paper-airplane-2013-12
[20:03] <map|work> that seems mad cool
[20:04]  * popey backed it
[20:04] <map|work> nice
[20:05] <map|work> i'd only just heard of it..no point in backing now i guess it raised 9x over what he asked? he only asked for $50,000
[20:05] <map|work> will definitely buy one though
[20:20] <skellat> AlanBell: Congratulations.  I just clicked off on verification and all that so Ubuntu UK should be good for 2 years hence.
[20:36] <popey> ʘ‿ಠ
[20:36] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[20:41] <daftykins> morning D:
[20:41] <bigcalm> Is it?
[20:42] <daftykins> that's more what i was asking :)
[20:46] <bigcalm> I've completely forgotten why I came to my office
[20:52] <daftykins> D:
[20:52] <daftykins> is it dark and are you alone?
[20:53] <bigcalm> Wife is watching trashy TV
[20:53] <bigcalm> Good reason me for to hide in my office
[20:53] <popey> o/
[20:53] <bigcalm> Ahoy
[20:55] <daftykins> hahaha
[20:55] <daftykins> bigcalm: you should get one of those 3D TVs that lets each specs wearer watch a different source
[20:55] <daftykins> \o/
[20:56] <bigcalm> I don't watch a lot of telly
[21:02] <AlanBell> thanks skellat
[21:35] <diddledan> yawnicles
[21:35] <diddledan> amazon elastic beanstalk is.. pretty awesome
[21:36] <diddledan> it's their standard IaaS offering wrapped in a PaaS box
[21:36] <diddledan> <3
[22:16] <map|work> hm
[22:16] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6l84owi1lzcr94m/IMG_20131207_214549.jpg
[22:16] <daftykins> more Christmas lights from the Guernsey high-street
[22:17] <map|work> oh god damn
[22:17] <map|work> Application Blocked  Access to the application you were trying to use has been blocked in accordance with company policy. Please contact your system administrator if you believe this is in error.
[22:17] <map|work> Application: web-browsing
[22:17] <map|work> lol
[22:18] <daftykins> hahaha
[22:18] <daftykins> oops
[22:18] <map|work> it's pretty annoying loads is blocked..sourceforge comes up as being blocked for email
[22:18] <map|work> or some nonsense
[22:19] <daftykins> =/
[22:19] <map|work> ya tis annoying
[22:19] <map|work> yet twitter isnt blocked and there's filth on there
[22:21] <daftykins> i'm sure it's just some automated blacklist they operate
[22:21] <daftykins> rather than being manual choices made
[22:22] <map|work> more than likely ya
[22:23] <map|work> amuses me how there's so many different departments..service desk..'desktop engineers/release engineers
[22:23] <map|work> engineers? using windows..pah
[22:23] <popey> wow, pretty daftykins
[22:24] <daftykins> popey: they say it costs £40k a year to put the town lights up >_<
[22:24] <map|work> put it somewhere elseso i can see;[
[22:24] <daftykins> hrmm, can you get to imgur.com ?
[22:24] <daftykins> or tinypic.com
[22:24] <map|work> sec
[22:25] <map|work> imgur yea
[22:26] <shauno> I Wonder how much of that 40k is just unionized manhours
[22:33] <daftykins> shauno: they make the fire brigade put them up!
[22:33] <ali1234> i wonder how much of it got paid to insurance companies
[22:34] <map|work> who turned them on though..which thrilling z lister;p
[22:35] <daftykins> map|work: http://i.imgur.com/RJ2qxVU.jpg
[22:35] <daftykins> sorry for the delay, i went off to make a hot chocolate!
[22:35] <map|work> Thousands of people descended on Jubilee Square on Thursday evening (November 22) to witness Woking's Christmas lights being switched on by CBeebies star Justin Fletche
[22:35] <map|work> seems early
[22:35] <map|work> i dont even know who that is lol
[22:35] <map|work> nice,t hanks
[22:38] <daftykins> :)
[22:38] <daftykins> i don't know people anymore - its passed me by
[22:39] <map|work> ya i didnt recognise that name nor did i know the lights were on
[22:40] <map|work> I go to town so infrequently , I don't have any need to ..online banking..online groceries ...online shopping for everything else i buy ..what would i go for lol
[22:40] <map|work> so i can buy something for more than I'd pay on amazon? pah! ..
[22:40] <arsen> impressive street daftykins
[22:41] <daftykins> just one road over from home!
[22:41] <daftykins> 'tis the hill descending to the high-street :)
[22:43] <map|work> i saw some house where it was like totally covered..and costs them thousands to light up
[22:43] <map|work> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516512/The-Christmas-countdown-begun-Britains-festive-street-switches-100-000-fairy-lights.html
[22:43] <arsen> there's a house up the hill from mine, totally nuts lighting - 99% of the house covered, flagpoles erected to suspend chain lights around the rest of the area too lol
[22:44] <diddledan> heh, he said flagpole
[22:44]  * diddledan sniggers
[22:45] <map|work> this is it!!
[22:45] <map|work> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2497814/Meet-man-heats-home-thousands-FAIRY-LIGHTS-Twelfth-Night.html
[22:45] <map|work> people go crazy with xmas lights eh
[22:45] <map|work> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338033/The-house-MILLION-Christmas-lights.html
[22:48] <arsen> wow. just wow.
[22:48] <map|work> being that im such a cheery person i have no tree up , no decorations or lights and dont plan on changing it
[22:48] <map|work> :)
[22:48] <arsen> lol
[22:49] <daftykins> arsen: heh sounds crazy
[22:49] <arsen> well, i gave in this xmas, gona try and enjoy it - i do like the nostalgia of christmas and old 90's xmas films.
[22:49] <map|work> i live on my own , have no kids and no partnr so figured why bother
[22:50] <arsen> what did it was walking home the other day and i smelt smoke from a proper woodburner burning some nice wood.
[22:50] <arsen> not a bad attitude, you can do as you so choose.
[22:50] <arsen> i've done plenty of xmas working, missing out and being bored or alone - so this year i'm getting involved in whatever's going.
[22:52] <arsen> saying that - i think i'm the only person i know in London tonight not out drinking, travelling, doing things.. merely sat here on my tod!
[22:52] <daftykins> i just don't even own any decorations yet
[22:52] <daftykins> so there's nothing at mine ;x
[22:52] <arsen> plastic tree + fairy lights is the best place to start, it's good mood lighting if nothing else.
[22:53] <map|work> arsen do you live alone tho?
[22:53] <arsen> nay, Mrs has gone out with her mates.
[22:53] <map|work> dafty do you live on your own too? just you say no decorations
[22:54] <daftykins> map|work: yeah been in my place since March now, so it's my first Christmas away
[22:55] <arsen> i'll be going back to the parents for xmas - i like bumming around in a tidy house where everything is sorted and the fridge is full!
[22:56] <daftykins> :D
[22:56] <map|work> ah right cool
[22:56] <map|work> il be at my place
[22:56] <daftykins> it's kinda weird 'cause the last house i had was in Portsmouth of course
[22:56] <daftykins> so being able to be in my own place *and* cycle to my parents is - novel :D
[22:56] <map|work> living the dream..normal routine with a few tims of strongbow:D
[22:57] <daftykins> hehe
[22:57] <arsen> speaking of which, gona order a curry and crack open my crabbies.
[22:57] <map|work> like ...i dont do anyn xmas food shopping..my shopping is just the same..i dont order anything diff/buy any xmas garbage
[22:57] <map|work> just the basics and some good old booze
[22:57] <map|work> where'd you live now dafty?
[22:57] <daftykins> well i was in Portsmouth for Uni with mr.arsen there :D
[22:57] <daftykins> i grew up on and now live back here on Guernsey
[22:58] <map|work> ah and arsen where you at?
[22:58] <arsen> London these days :)
[22:58] <map|work> when did you finish uni then?
[22:59] <penguin42> map|work: See, I'm just the same but without the booze
[22:59] <arsen> arh crap - out of beer and the shops just shut :(
[22:59] <map|work> penguin42 another lone ranger?
[22:59] <penguin42> map|work: Nod
[22:59] <map|work> arsen/dafty when did you finish!!
[23:00] <arsen> ~09?
[23:00] <arsen> somewhere around then.
[23:00] <map|work> ah
[23:00] <map|work> well well well ..how strange, I too went to Portsmouth Uni, lived in Harry Law halls (behind yates's) then down Fawcett Road in my 2nd year
[23:00] <map|work> i finished before you young'uns then
[23:00] <map|work> 2007 i was done and enterred that fun thing we call ...work;/
[23:00] <arsen> i was meant to graduate 08 i think, but i re-sat final year for a laugh.
[23:00] <penguin42> srarted work in 97
[23:01] <map|work> penguin42 - you're just old
[23:01] <map|work> :D
[23:01] <MartijnVdS> *in* 97, not *at* 97 :P
[23:01] <daftykins> arsen: ah i didn't know that :)
[23:01] <daftykins> map|work: yeah i escaped '08
[23:01] <daftykins> but i also went late
[23:01] <map|work> i liked it down in portsmouth tbh..the registry / route 66 (1.50 pints of stella!!!) ..breakneck at the pier ...time and envy, tantrum & bar bluu
[23:01]  * daftykins is 28
[23:02] <map|work> although tantrum bar bluu/time and envy now gone
[23:02] <map|work> monday nights route 66 was kinda fun 20 quid and have a good night stumble home ..i loved the fact it's not a campuse based uni and all the buildings arwe scattered around
[23:02] <arsen> pretty much, map|work - i was there for all of that, and then the replacement stuff :)
[23:02] <arsen> can't complain - i had a great time, i'd do it all again exactly the same if i could.
[23:03] <map|work> never been to any of the rest..i did like breakneck though..Jongleurs /Tiger Tiger - both sucked..I actually worked at Yates's in my 2nd year half way through then went to tiger tiger
[23:03] <map|work> The Honest Politician/One eyed dog - id assume those are still there..u go them?
[23:03] <arsen> hah, i worked at tiger for a year in my firstyear i think.
[23:03] <arsen> yep. scary how many drinking joints i knew vveerrrry well.
[23:04] <map|work> crap wages, crap pay , boring job..and managers that dont realise they've got a crap job that means nothing
[23:04] <map|work> thats what irritated me most about crap jobs..the managers that seem to think theyre somehow doing something amazing..and are incredibly successful :)
[23:04] <arsen> yeah - i came from a few nice cocktail bars up north to a trampy tiger tiger club that thought very highly of itself heh.
[23:04] <map|work> what building were you in..Anglesea here..ECE!
[23:05] <daftykins> map|work: yep that's where i was :)
[23:05] <daftykins> i did comp network management and design
[23:05] <map|work> yep ...it was barmy..but what was MORE BARMY..people paying a fiver to enter tiger tger on weekends and pay stupid prices a double vodka redbull was like 8quid or something ..like ROFL
[23:05] <arsen> i dropped the bar work and went to work at Novatech part time.
[23:05] <map|work> I'll give that a miss..seriously im paying a fiver to then PAY expensive prices? #mugs
[23:05] <arsen> discount on PC components, basically :)
[23:05] <map|work> I would've been in some of yourlectures then..had we been the same year
[23:06] <map|work> umm remember Shikhun Zhou lol he made me laugh..I liked Martin Cripps..Nick Savage / thought Chi was a good lecturer too
[23:06] <arsen> equally crappy job, mind you. awful bloke incharge of sales team, i quit when i was told off for offering honest advice to a bloke wanting to buy his kids a PC for xmas and couldnt afford £££
[23:06] <map|work> yep retail is just lie lie lie and say anything to get peoples money..
[23:07] <arsen> i did the classic hollywood style "you can shove your job.." and walked out :D
[23:08] <daftykins> map|work: ah man Dr. Zhou was ace - permanent smile on his face even when he was angry at you
[23:08] <arsen> to think people actually did that job for a career is very depressing.
[23:08] <map|work> yea lol
[23:09] <map|work> same with bar work though mate..when i worked at yates's and the people there take it seriously..like come on it's a crap bar job..earning like 200quid a week before tax..yea what a life
[23:09] <daftykins> he was the like, validation guy on my final project actually
[23:09] <map|work> everyones your boss in those kinda jobs
[23:09] <map|work> Linda Yang was for me..if you know her
[23:09] <daftykins> cute asian lady?
[23:09] <map|work> yep
[23:09] <arsen> i was CompSci so not ECE :D some great lecturers in there, some awful.
[23:09] <map|work> was cripps still lecturing when you were there?
[23:09] <daftykins> yep! the legend
[23:10] <daftykins> he was highly amusing
[23:10] <map|work> Cripps was pretty good , covered a shedload from his units alone imo
[23:10] <daftykins> i'm glad i wasn't in his personal tutor group though, he used to talk them to death apparently
[23:10] <daftykins> whereas i had the super depressed young Greek guy Ioannis Kagalidis
[23:10] <map|work> hahahahaha
[23:10] <daftykins> i think he'd somehow got roped into it, as he had no idea what to do with us
[23:10] <map|work> that taught Java?
[23:12] <daftykins> yep
[23:12] <map|work> :)
[23:14] <map|work> quite liked Salems unit too / frank margrave was a bit of a tool
[23:14] <map|work> uni was good :)
[23:15] <daftykins> heh Frank was so hated, he ended up being my supervisor for the final project though
[23:15] <daftykins> i rewrote the computer labs with his new favourite - Xen instead of VMware
[23:15] <daftykins> it was a walk in the park pretty much, thing wrote itself
[23:15] <map|work> because he was always 'look at me im so amazing' telling us how he was so good and he was going out on his boat tonight and he had a new quad core or whatever CPU at that time
[23:16] <map|work> too much of a showoff...and i turned up once without my uni ID..wasnt allowed to sit the computer based exam LOL but i got to do it later..
[23:17] <penguin42> map|work: You're right I'm old, I'm nearly as old as my nick's number
[23:17] <map|work> :)
[23:17] <daftykins> that happened to me 'cause Guernsey was always late submitting the details of who they were paying fees too, so i couldn't get my ID for a couple of weeks
[23:18] <map|work> were u turned away from an exam?
[23:18] <daftykins> nah Frank just looked kinda unimpressed then let me do it anyway
[23:19] <daftykins> there's a fun rumour that he was only in the area because of his wife's job :)
[23:19] <map|work> work sucks compared to uni
[23:19] <map|work> i didnt even know his wif worked there
[23:19] <daftykins> at the Uni? i had/have no idea where, just heard that once
[23:19] <map|work> oh
[23:20] <arsen> in the laziest fashion ever - i ordered a curry online using only the left mouse button.
[23:20] <map|work> lol just-eat?
[23:20] <daftykins> but yeah he was quite a character, one of my mates said the best way to deal with him was to realise that he was an ass to everyone :)
[23:20] <arsen> some random curry house i just found
[23:20] <daftykins> XD
[23:20] <daftykins> arsen: nice work sir
[23:21] <daftykins> eating at 11 D:
[23:21] <map|work> yep i think thats about right
[23:21] <arsen> yeah i forgot :/ got sidetracked fiddling with my litecoin mining rig :D
[23:21] <map|work> i did something stupid in my 1st year and after an exam had to speak to him..lol luckily we had like barely any time left of term..but i ran nmap from my account on lion.ee.port on another portasmouth.ee machine LOL
[23:22] <map|work> my account was suspended for the end of that year
[23:24] <daftykins> arsen: hehehe
[23:24] <daftykins> map|work: lmao
[23:24] <arsen> never built my own pc case before - worked out quite nicely.
[23:24] <map|work> yep i know stupid eh from an ee server to an ee machine under my username? LOL
[23:24] <daftykins> map|work: can you still SSH into ECE? they never seem to disable accounts
[23:24] <map|work> i wasnt actually trying to do anything just like curious
[23:24] <map|work> hmm sec
[23:25] <map|work> its uxxxxxx right?
[23:25] <daftykins> yep
[23:25] <daftykins> 6 digit
[23:25] <daftykins> in fact you know what, i saw my U number on a local car reg plate the other day
[23:25] <daftykins> as Guernsey plates are just numbers
[23:25] <map|work> lol
[23:25] <daftykins> it was hilarious :D
[23:25] <map|work> na didnt work for me
[23:25] <daftykins> it took me a few seconds to realise why i recognised it
[23:25] <map|work> u249006
[23:25] <map|work> =[
[23:25] <map|work> you could see peoples uni id pictures too from the web portal
[23:26] <arsen> turns out the place i ordered from isnt the one i thoguht it was - so rather than ~200m from my house, it's more like 2 miles. damn.
[23:26] <map|work> that was amusing..in a sad way
[23:26] <daftykins> map|work: ah yeah the ol' "hack"
[23:26] <arsen> early facebook, map|work
[23:26] <arsen> ;)
[23:26] <map|work> just mess with the url and put diff numbers in lol
[23:26] <daftykins> could've done a Mark Zuckerberg and made a comparison site
[23:26] <arsen> in campus hot-or-not
[23:27] <daftykins> ye \o/
[23:27] <map|work> as to litecoin is it worth bothering with? a ) can it be used many places b) there's already btc - thing is..surely its winner takes it all..is there room for more than one crypto currency and umm BTC dropped a lot in value yest
[23:27] <daftykins> not sure i believe the film one as saying it gridlocked the entire Uni's network :)
[23:28] <arsen> all cryptocoins dropped a tonne today. LTC cant be used in many places no, its value is somewhat dependent on the future success of BTC.
[23:28] <daftykins> d'aww
[23:28] <map|work> you reckon? but surely as BT gets better or if it does..there's only room for 1 as people will use the currency thats supported by most places
[23:28] <arsen> however i was too lazy to follow my instinct and mine bitcoin in the early days - i was too busy gaming.
[23:28] <map|work> chicken and egg scenario retailers dont use it as its not popular enough..users dont use it as not enough retailers support
[23:28] <ali1234> LTC value is entirely supported by people daytrading it against bitcoin
[23:29] <map|work> ah
[23:29] <ali1234> same goes for all the other altcoins
[23:29] <map|work> hows that work?
[23:29] <arsen> i worked out if i'd of spent a few weeks doing it, as is likely with my general "i get bored with everything pretty quickly" i'd still be sitting on a few hundred grand of bitcoins.
[23:29] <ali1234> you get some bitcoin and some litecoin, and you put it in an exchange, and you buy low and sell high
[23:29] <map|work> yea but whats the ltc usd for them
[23:30] <arsen> well at the point they have a value significant enough, exchanges will start to offer trade against usd/gbp/eur etc.
[23:30] <ali1234> the btc/ltc rate has not changed significantly
[23:30] <map|work> aha
[23:30] <map|work> how much easier is it to mine ltc than btc
[23:30] <ali1234> it was about 0.038 before the crash, now it is 0.034
[23:30] <arsen> massively, map|work.
[23:31] <ali1234> it's about 0.035 times harder
[23:31] <arsen> whereby BTC mining is now impossible without dedicated large ASICs, you can do LTC with high end GPU's and profit.
[23:31] <ali1234> BTC mining is not impossible
[23:31] <map|work> also dunno if anyone knows but im using cgiirc and i edited mozilla.pm to change the title on the page it loads..using it from my server over ssl - but they record history downstairs and the page title would show up..and once i get to irc.cgi it shows cgil;irc #channame
[23:31] <map|work> does anyone know which file i need to edit to stop it
[23:32] <arsen> no its not, ali1234 - but its not gona make you much money unless you do it with an ASIC, or array of them - unless you have lots of free power.
[23:32] <ali1234> true
[23:33] <ali1234> the same is true of litecoin however
[23:33] <arsen> a reasonable high end AMD GPU theoretically will cover its cost in ~30 days.
[23:33] <ali1234> lol
[23:33] <ali1234> no it won't
[23:33] <ali1234> only if you get free electricity is that true
[23:34] <ali1234> and in that case it would pay for itself with bitcoin in a similar timeframe
[23:34] <ali1234> those GPUs cost about $2 a day to run
[23:35] <arsen> as an example, my electricity cost for one GPU is ~£1,.60 a day, and it was returning almost £15
[23:35] <arsen> though this is no longer true, as the price has changed dramatically.
[23:35] <ali1234> yeah..... in 2011 maybe
[23:36] <arsen> yesterday, ali1234.
[23:37] <ali1234> no, you did not mine $15 worth of litecoin in one day with one GPU
[23:38] <daftykins> i saw a pound symbol personally
[23:38] <arsen> frankly the price of LTC is fluctuating so much at the moment (and currently in a never ending spiral), it doesnt matter which currency symbol i use.
[23:39] <daftykins> :D
[23:39] <daftykins> Zimbabwe dorrah
[23:40] <arsen> i actually mined about $41 worth, in just over one day, ali1234.
[23:40] <arsen> according to my wallet. but that LTC is no longer worth $41.
[23:40] <ali1234> that would require you getting about 2MH/s
[23:41] <arsen> also pulled in around $25 worth of primecoin.
[23:41] <arsen> almost, ali1234.
[23:41] <ali1234> that's over double what the best GPU can do
[23:43] <arsen> im getting about 1600 in one rig, plus a few 4700k's.
[23:44] <arsen> erk, 4770k's
[23:44] <ali1234> a rig typically means several GPUs, usually 4, 6, or 8, and is going to cost you well over $10/day to run
[23:45] <arsen> i'm not claiming miracles, that USD value only existed when LTC was at $41, its now only just above half that.
[23:46] <ali1234> yeah, as i said, the btc/ltc rate has barely changed
[23:54] <ali1234> the best way to mine currently is to jump on every new altcoin as soon as it is released, then dump them as soon as they list on any excahnge