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ahoneybunhey valorie 00:12
valoriehi ahoneybun00:12
valoriehow are you?00:12
ahoneybungood you?00:12
valorieexcellent00:13
valorieone of my sons visited yesterday, and I went to a really fun party last night00:13
ahoneybungood00:13
ahoneybuncool00:13
ahoneybunso about translations00:14
ahoneybunwe are waiting till we get the mini-docs set?00:15
valoriehmmm, I'll have to say I haven't thought about the mini-docs issue00:15
valoriegrrr, and i said I would write to the doc and web teams a week ago00:16
valorieI'll do that right now00:16
ahoneybunyour the best00:16
valoriebecause: if we were able to move the docs to KDE infra, our docs would ALL be translated00:17
valorieand that would be the best outcome IMO00:17
valorieok, I'll write right now00:17
ahoneybunbrb00:17
valorieI'll cc you00:18
valorieand scarlett, I think00:18
ahoneybunback00:30
valoriesent00:31
ahoneybunvalorie, the ubuntu-us-fl team had a good reboot meeting00:31
valorie\o/00:32
valoriehave you met the Halls?00:33
valorieMike and Michelle?00:33
ahoneybunyep talking about making a 3 person council not 1 leader00:33
ahoneybuntalked to mhalls yea00:33
ahoneybunnot in person00:33
valorieI would love to have Mike especially more friendly with some Kubuntu people00:33
valoriethey are fabulous people; I've stayed with them after UDS years ago00:34
valorieI would love to see peace between the Mir devels and those of us heading towards Wayland00:35
ahoneybunexcellent email00:37
valorieI hope it stirs up some cooperation00:38
ahoneybunI think it will00:39
ahoneybunthe community will come together :)00:40
valoriethat's what I work for00:43
valorieeverywhere00:44
ahoneybunyep00:44
ahoneybunI'm going to focus on the Basic page rewrite now00:50
ahoneybunwell I think next weekedn00:50
ahoneybun*weekend00:50
valorieoh good, I'm sure it needs an overhaul00:50
valorieby next weekend I expect to either be suffering from total chaos here, or be on the brink00:51
valoriecontractors will come soon to tear apart the back bath00:52
valoriein preparation for the new construction00:52
* ahoneybun just found that the update last week fixes 2 bugs00:53
* ahoneybun that he had00:53
valorieI have about 2 bugs, and so far, not fixed00:57
valoriehaven't had time to research and report, though00:57
ahoneybunvalorie, how well would it be to install kubuntu-desktop on top of my Ubuntu?00:57
valorieshould be good00:57
valorieyou want to be able to switch back and forth?00:57
ahoneybunbest chance I have to get Kubuntu00:57
ahoneybunat login00:57
ahoneybunsince it has errors with UEFI and I don't want to lose what I have now00:58
valoriegrub should take care of that for ya00:58
ahoneybunI have a lot installed00:58
valorieoh yeah00:58
valorieuefi sucks00:58
ahoneybunandroid devel 00:58
ahoneybunwith ubuntu it works for me lol00:58
valorieyes, I don't know why we have a harder time01:00
valorieI assume you've read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI01:02
ahoneybunnope just installed like normal01:03
valoriethen kubuntu should have no problems either01:04
ahoneybunI just have so much setup here01:05
* ahoneybun looks how he setup the table01:05
ahoneybunnope all in one parition01:06
valorieyou've had kubuntu in a VM so far?01:12
ahoneybunvalorie, yea in Windows but have not booted it in awhile01:13
valorieI'm the opposite; I have windows here but never use it01:13
valorieI don't like unity, so just always install or upgrade kub01:13
valoriebut i do seed torrents for all the flavors01:14
ahoneybunI'm seeding Kubuntu 13.10 and 12.04-301:16
ahoneybunon Windows01:16
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soeei have a feeling that using menubar on panel makes my system a bit more responsive than having it at the top of the screen03:17
apacheloggerkubotu: order coffee04:47
* kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to apachelogger.04:47
apacheloggerRiddell: trouble... for whoopsie we need a core dump, but there is no core until after drkonqi is done 06:27
apacheloggerRiddell: also if we force a dump after drkonqi is done the stack will show the crash handling frames as well I suppose06:36
apacheloggerconsidering every kapplication dump would have that it probably wouldn't be a big issue06:38
apacheloggerstill le terrible because we do not want apport-kde coming up after drkonqi and we also do not want to override apport as core dump handler06:52
apacheloggerso what we coudl do is 1. raise() after drkonqi is done - slightly polluting the dump with kcrash's sighandler frame 2. have drkonqi write a file to /var/crash with a .drkonqi-upload suffix 3. have k-n-h or apport-kde or apport look for such a suffix and if present create the .upload file for whoopsie without ever presenting a UI06:55
apacheloggerso it'd be a delayed whoopsie upload ... the user allows the upload of an automatic report in drkonqi but only after drkonqi terminated the crashing application will trigger a core dump -> apport report which is then cleared for upload via whoopsie by some other application (k-n-h/apport-kde/apport) based on drkonqi06:57
apacheloggerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6544638/07:42
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lordievaderovidiu-florin: Ah sorry I ment the Romanian one, the tr has led me a stray: http://tr.kubuntu.org/bootstrap/08:30
apacheloggerRiddell: knh lives in bzr btw09:19
apacheloggeralso that po file import looks like a workaround^3 :P09:19
lordievaderGood morning btw.09:22
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jussimgraesslin: ++++ 09:39
mgraesslinjussi: ?09:39
jussimgraesslin: I just found out a little nicety with kwin :=)09:39
jussialt+ left click = resizing without trying to find that super annoying little edge09:39
mgraesslinalt+right click09:40
jussiyeah, dunno why I wrote left :?09:40
jussibut in anycase, really nice09:41
ovidiu-florinlordievader: hey, are you around?09:45
jussiovidiu-florin: the stickers are coming!!09:45
ovidiu-florinjussi: that's great news09:46
ovidiu-florindoes that mean that you've sent them already?09:46
jussino, it means they are on the way to me09:46
ovidiu-florinah, still good :D09:47
ovidiu-florinI've shipped a laptop with preinstalled Kubuntu :D09:47
apacheloggerRiddell: synced to bzr and added validity checks we'll have to build upon for drkonqi integration09:47
ovidiu-florinwould have been good to put a sticker on that :D09:48
jussiovidiu-florin: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2usG9rmoZzcUlJ2RE1ZLVZlUm9pVE02MVFVYjVONzZaU1Nj/edit?usp=sharing09:49
ovidiu-florintransparent? or white background09:50
ovidiu-florin?09:50
lordievaderovidiu-florin: Yes, I'm here.09:51
ovidiu-florinjussi: ^^09:52
jussiwhite, as we talked about09:52
ovidiu-florinlordievader: regarding that conversation about the romanian page, I didn't understand, what was that about?09:53
ovidiu-florinjussi: ok09:53
lordievaderovidiu-florin: I think there was some confusing whether that page would go to docs.kubuntu.org or not. 09:54
ovidiu-florinwhat page?09:54
ovidiu-florinlordievader: ^09:54
lordievaderovidiu-florin: The bootstrap page you linked to in: https://trello.com/c/iljLYjJT/75-create-one-page-html-for-first-impression-about-kubuntu-on-kubuntu-org09:56
ovidiu-florinI didn't do that09:56
ovidiu-florinthat's Volkan09:56
ovidiu-florinturkush dude09:56
ovidiu-florinturkish*09:57
lordievaderovidiu-florin: Ah my apologies, got things mixed up. Sorry about that.09:58
ovidiu-florinthat page looks awsome thoug09:58
ovidiu-florinI think I can get my friend Cosmin to work something up09:59
ovidiu-florinI'll put him in contact with Volkan09:59
lordievaderahoneybun: The one page summary page we talked about yesterday was created by volkan, not by ovidiu-florin. I got things mixed up, sorry.09:59
Riddell"Jussi Schultink (jussi01) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" yay jussi still loves us!10:07
Riddell"Kristóf Kiszel (ulysses) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" well good he still loves us even if he hasn't been around for ages10:14
apacheloggerRiddell: pushed ui changes to kcm-whoopsie10:26
Riddellapachelogger: what's new?10:30
apacheloggerRiddell: metrics UI gone away and previous reports is no longer right hand side aligned11:00
apacheloggerand I now have a working prototype for drkonqi whoopsying11:00
Riddellapachelogger: great, how did you get over the not having a core dump issue?11:06
apacheloggerre-raising signal to the native handler after drkonqi is done11:07
Riddellgenius11:07
apacheloggerkcrash by default will _exit which is why there is no core dump11:07
apacheloggerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6545313/11:09
apacheloggerhttp://i.imgur.com/SAb1LfS.png11:10
apacheloggerwhen submission is checked it writes a stamp file into /var/crash11:10
apacheloggerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/654531511:10
apacheloggerkcrash then looks for that file and either re-raises the signal to the native handler (causing a core dump which in turn launches apport) or exists as before11:11
kfunktwo crash handler notifications? sounds annoying11:11
apacheloggerapport then creates the report based on the dump11:12
apacheloggerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6545323/11:12
apacheloggerk-n-h checks for each report whether it was already approved for submission by the user and if so triggers a batch upload script that uploads all reports with approval11:13
apacheloggerif there is none it will launch apport-kde (i.e. for !kapplications)11:13
apacheloggerkfunk: one handler really11:14
apacheloggerit's why the patch spans three different pieces of software11:14
soee__good morning11:38
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lordievaderHey soee, how are you doing?11:43
soeelordievader: not so good aftert half of night working :)11:44
soeeyou ?11:44
lordievadersoee: Ugh doesn't sound like fun. I'm doing quite okay.12:13
BluesKajHey folks12:26
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kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1242633] unity pointer barriers sru bug @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1242633 (by Maarten Lankhorst)13:02
shadeslayerxnox: regarding our cache population discussion, can you clarify further what tracking the pid means?13:55
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kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1195007] qt patch introduces fatal gdk_x_error handler @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195007 (by Patrick Oßmann)14:02
shadeslayerxnox: so, does adding a new method in plugininstall.py and then calling it from inside run() cound as pid tracking?14:26
xnoxshadeslayer: hm, actually i was thinking something like ubiquity-dm does for working long-running processes (e.g. dbus, gnome-settings-daemon, etc)14:27
shadeslayerxnox: do you want to take over from me on this ? :P14:28
xnoxshadeslayer: but that's only if we want to do it in parallel to everything else (like the downloading of the packages are)14:28
shadeslayersince I've wasted quite a bit of time and you're better at this14:28
xnoxshadeslayer: but, if one does it sequentially in plugininstall.py just an exec should be fine, as long as you block until it completes and exits.14:28
xnoxshadeslayer: same like the apparmor function is done.14:28
xnoxshadeslayer: =))))) i understand. it would help if you could hunt down where software-centre post-install hook is executed.14:29
xnoxshadeslayer: cause if we add this, then we should remove the "deleting of the cache" bits and instead do incremental cache update.14:29
xnoxshadeslayer: i can do it, but probably not this year.14:29
shadeslayerheh okay14:29
xnoxshadeslayer: is there a bug report about it? feel free to assign it to me?!14:30
shadeslayerI'll file one14:30
shadeslayerand I don't see how I can find the software-centre post-install hook is located when you failed at locating it :P14:30
shadeslayerxnox: possibly it comes from software-center?14:31
shadeslayerxnox: there's also a item on our trello board about ubiquity QML14:48
xnoxshadeslayer: QML is wishful thinking. There are no current plans to re-engineer ubiquity.14:51
Riddellshadeslayer: I think that's a quick todo item done then :)14:56
shadeslayer^^14:56
shadeslayeralready commented14:56
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Blizzzshadeslayer: the new touchpad config in system settings is that with the white icon (and the old one with the grey one), right?15:05
shadeslayerYep15:06
Blizzzty15:06
* shadeslayer already found a bug15:07
Blizzzshadeslayer: and i a papercut, but just looked 5s on it. which bug is it?15:07
shadeslayerBlizzz: touchpad gets disabled when you plugin your mouse no matter what you set15:08
semRiddell: wifi connected properly  with 14.0415:10
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shadeslayerxnox: bug 125920215:14
ubottubug 1259202 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity doesn't populate xapian cache on target when using the KDE frontend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125920215:14
BluesKajPeace--, yes i'm impressed with the the wifi on 14.04 , connected immediately during installion ...pretty cool considering previous problems with HW recognition 15:18
BluesKajbroadcom is probly the most used wifi chip on laptops nowadays15:19
Blizzzshadeslayer: for me it works (usb)15:19
shadeslayerah15:20
shadeslayerI have synaptiks15:20
shadeslayerlemme see15:20
Blizzzshadeslayer: oh, my mouse seems to be on the ignore list15:20
BluesKajisn't there key one can use to temporarily disable the the touchpad ?15:20
shadeslayernot on mine15:21
Blizzzshadeslayer: no, the disable touchpad when mouse is plugged in option works for me as it should15:21
Blizzzand i love the deactivate touchpad on keyboard activity featue15:22
BluesKajBlizzz, where do I find that function? , doesn't appear in synaptiks here15:24
BluesKajusing a wireless mouse15:25
BlizzzBluesKaj: yes, it's not in synaptiks15:25
Blizzzbut in CFT15:26
Blizzzhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2013-December/007596.html15:26
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shadeslayerBlizzz: CFT = Call for Testing :D15:33
Peace--BluesKaj: really i had problems with wifi and my bcm4306 on 14.0415:34
Peace--BluesKaj: i had to install the firmware but after that in my case i was not able to connect to my wifi because network manager did not add my wifi 15:35
Peace--BluesKaj: i did a upgrade and now it's working 15:35
Peace--:s15:35
Blizzzshadeslayer: nah, I'm case sensitive :p15:35
Peace--BluesKaj: anyways i had a nice solutioon i shared my wifi with an ethernet one :D computer 1 with wifi connected   ethernet cable         computer 2 15:36
shadeslayerkubotu: newversion kdevelop 4.615:49
kubotuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/125922015:49
shadeslayerRiddell: can you also mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/+bug/1259220 as affecting kdevplatform , kdevelop-php, kdevelop-php-docs and kdev-python16:01
ubottuUbuntu bug 1259220 in kdevelop (Ubuntu) "Please update kdevelop to 4.6" [Undecided,In progress]16:01
apacheloggershadeslayer: I fixed dat mail16:13
shadeslayerthank you16:13
apacheloggeralso ... APT, CLI, GUI, KDE, FLOSS, GPL, SRU, BTS, ITP, IDE, ISO, PPA and other previously approved acronyms may be used as previously approved16:14
apacheloggeroh and I see Blizzz didn't know what CFT means either16:14
apacheloggerless reason to feel stupid \o/16:14
Riddellshadeslayer: isn't that obvious to anyone who cares?16:15
apacheloggerit's actually spooky if you think about how many acronyms we use on a daily basis16:15
shadeslayerRiddell: easier to track for me, then I know which packages have been uploaded if I break the task over 2 days16:15
apacheloggershadeslayer: wouldn't it cause breakage if you upload them one-by-one?16:16
shadeslayerapachelogger: not if I properly version Build Depends so that all of them build against the new kdevplatform16:17
apacheloggerso confusing16:18
Riddellshadeslayer: do I have more beastie powers than you?16:18
shadeslayerRiddell: probably16:18
shadeslayerI can't add more projects to the same bug16:19
shadeslayeror atleast I couldn't find a way to16:19
apacheloggerbecause you are not motu16:19
apacheloggernor core-dev16:19
apacheloggernor have you requested the mighty access powas16:20
shadeslayerI'm on the bug squad16:20
shadeslayerbut that's about it16:20
apacheloggeryou must be in bug-control16:20
shadeslayerright, I'm in that16:20
shadeslayerbug squad, bug control, so confusing16:20
apacheloggerthen you can add more packages16:20
shadeslayerWhat button?16:20
apacheloggerthe add more distro shoot button16:21
shadeslayeraha16:21
Riddellshadeslayer: I can't find a way either16:21
shadeslayergotcha16:21
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* apachelogger waves fist16:22
apacheloggerRiddell is like the enmy of all BTS ^^16:22
apacheloggerhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/+bug/1259220/+distrotask16:22
ubottuUbuntu bug 1259220 in kdevelop (Ubuntu) "Please update kdevelop to 4.6" [Undecided,In progress]16:22
apacheloggerhere ye go16:22
apacheloggerI clicked a button :P16:22
shadeslayerxD16:23
shadeslayerAnyway, added everything16:23
apacheloggerso rude16:24
apacheloggerhttps://launchpad.net/bugs/73785616:24
ubottuUbuntu bug 737856 in synaptiks (Ubuntu) "synaptiks crashed with KeyError in __getitem__(): u'No such property: NAME'" [Medium,Confirmed]16:24
apacheloggershadeslayer, Blizzz: ^ can anyone reproduce that16:24
apacheloggercuz I have a patchy somewhere16:24
apacheloggeralas no working touchpad16:24
apacheloggerso I can't test it ^^16:24
apacheloggerRiddell: going to push whoopsie stuff tomorrow I think16:25
Riddellapachelogger: lovely16:25
apacheloggerstill gotta check with someone whether using qfile classes in a handler is a good idea16:26
Blizzzapachelogger: the report is for the old synaptiks?16:26
apacheloggeryes16:27
Blizzzapachelogger: maybe it's my eyes but I don't see an 'automatically switch off, if a mouse is plugged' option there16:27
apacheloggershould be context menu of the tray applet16:27
apacheloggerunless ScottK patched the option away which certainly would explain why the submission frequency has decreased to almost nil16:28
Blizzzapachelogger: i don't have a tray thingy for this. maybe i got rid of it somehow sometime ago16:30
apacheloggercurious ^^16:31
apachelogger<- knows nothing about the synaptiks thing16:31
shadeslayerstart synaptiks via krunner16:31
shadeslayerthen you get the tray thingy16:31
Blizzzshadeslayer: true. 16:33
Blizzzapachelogger: it crashes, when i swithc iff autoamtically switch off foobar16:34
apacheloggershadeslayer: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-ext4/msg10172.html16:35
apacheloggerBlizzz: I'll give you a patchy tomorrow then16:35
shadeslayerapachelogger: fun16:37
BluesKajok now , where is kde-touchpad-config located ?16:38
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Blizzzapachelogger: okilidokili16:39
shadeslayerBluesKaj: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental16:39
BluesKajshadeslayer, already installed it , but it doesn't show upp in the usual places , locate doesn't evn show it16:40
shadeslayerBluesKaj: same place as synaptiks16:41
BluesKajalready looked , no change16:41
shadeslayer0.o16:41
shadeslayerScreen shot of the input stuff?16:41
BluesKajok, it finally showed up , thanks shadeslayer16:43
shadeslayer\o/16:44
shadeslayerapachelogger: so I have a nasty patch that disables systemd checking allowing one to drop pm-utils from the CD17:02
shadeslayer*disables systemd version checks in powerdevil17:02
shadeslayerhttp://paste.kde.org/p0bf5182617:03
Riddellshadeslayer: I think that's about as good as we're going to get17:10
Riddellwe need to test it manually each release that it all still works17:10
shadeslayeryep, suspend, hibernate and hybrid sleep17:12
ScottKapachelogger: I have no recollection of any such events.19:30
FlowRiserHey guys, i am investigating a bug; Can somebody help me real quick ?  When you log in/out does the userbar move to the last user that logged in?19:38
crissihello20:20
crissijust want to know when kdevelop 4.6 binaries will be available...20:20
Lukas_hi20:30
Lukas_dont know20:31
Lukas_but20:31
Lukas_here20:31
Lukas_everybody speak soooooo much ;D20:31
lordievaderLukas_: Shh, don't wake the idlers.20:33
shadeslayercrissi: already uploaded for Trusty20:34
shadeslayerUploading for saucy to staging PPA20:34
Lukas_lordievader: why ?:>20:37
crissiyes just saw it20:37
crissishadeslayer: url?20:37
shadeslayercrissi: huh?20:38
shadeslayercrissi: for Trusty?20:38
crissihttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop ?20:38
shadeslayeryes20:38
shadeslayerfor Saucy https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging20:38
shadeslayerstill waiting to be built, plz don't add that ppa20:38
crissiso sauchy build should be available shortly at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop ?20:39
shadeslayerno20:40
lordievaderLukas_: Just joking ;)20:40
shadeslayerIn kubuntu-ppa/backports20:40
crissithis one i already have added20:40
shadeslayercool, you'll get it soon then20:41
Lukas_lordievader: i thought if they will wake up something bad will happen ;D20:42
lordievaderLukas_: It just might ;)20:42
Lukas_lordievader:  so maybe seriously ill dont wake them up ;p20:48
BluesKajjust kdevelop 4.4.6 in the repos during an upgrade20:51
BluesKajsaw20:51
lordievaderGues I should update to 4.6 at some time.20:53
Lukas_im new and seriously i dunno what did u say ;d21:00
Lukas_i dunno that slang ;d21:00
lordievaderGuess*21:01
Lukas_hehe that i did understand ;d21:01
Lukas_just kdevelop 4.4.6 in the repos during an upgrade <-- that didnt ;d21:02
lordievaderLukas_: Wasn't really directed at you, more in general. Im running kdevelop 4.5.60 and should update to 4.6.21:02
Lukas_what he said ?;d21:02
Lukas_ahhh21:02
lordievaderLukas_: Ah, do you know what a repo is? (This is more of a support question, are you in #kubuntu?)21:02
Lukas_google said me what is it ;d21:02
Lukas_dunno why im on kubuntu-devel ;D21:03
lordievaderLukas_: /join #kubuntu ;)21:03
Lukas_y21:03
Lukas_i did it ;d21:03
Lukas_im too low for Your level ;d21:04
Lukas_and too old for learning that ;d21:04
NoskcajRiddell, Why is the maintainer of orage in ubuntu the kubuntu members?21:05
ahoneybunhey lordievader 22:58
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RiddellNoskcaj: hah, no idea23:09

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