[00:12] hey valorie [00:12] hi ahoneybun [00:12] how are you? [00:12] good you? [00:13] excellent [00:13] one of my sons visited yesterday, and I went to a really fun party last night [00:13] good [00:13] cool [00:14] so about translations [00:15] we are waiting till we get the mini-docs set? [00:15] hmmm, I'll have to say I haven't thought about the mini-docs issue [00:16] grrr, and i said I would write to the doc and web teams a week ago [00:16] I'll do that right now [00:16] your the best [00:17] because: if we were able to move the docs to KDE infra, our docs would ALL be translated [00:17] and that would be the best outcome IMO [00:17] ok, I'll write right now [00:17] brb [00:18] I'll cc you [00:18] and scarlett, I think [00:30] back [00:31] sent [00:31] valorie, the ubuntu-us-fl team had a good reboot meeting [00:32] \o/ [00:33] have you met the Halls? [00:33] Mike and Michelle? [00:33] yep talking about making a 3 person council not 1 leader [00:33] talked to mhalls yea [00:33] not in person [00:33] I would love to have Mike especially more friendly with some Kubuntu people [00:34] they are fabulous people; I've stayed with them after UDS years ago [00:35] I would love to see peace between the Mir devels and those of us heading towards Wayland [00:37] excellent email [00:38] I hope it stirs up some cooperation [00:39] I think it will [00:40] the community will come together :) [00:43] that's what I work for [00:44] everywhere [00:44] yep [00:50] I'm going to focus on the Basic page rewrite now [00:50] well I think next weekedn [00:50] *weekend [00:50] oh good, I'm sure it needs an overhaul [00:51] by next weekend I expect to either be suffering from total chaos here, or be on the brink [00:52] contractors will come soon to tear apart the back bath [00:52] in preparation for the new construction [00:53] * ahoneybun just found that the update last week fixes 2 bugs [00:53] * ahoneybun that he had [00:57] I have about 2 bugs, and so far, not fixed [00:57] haven't had time to research and report, though [00:57] valorie, how well would it be to install kubuntu-desktop on top of my Ubuntu? [00:57] should be good [00:57] you want to be able to switch back and forth? [00:57] best chance I have to get Kubuntu [00:57] at login [00:58] since it has errors with UEFI and I don't want to lose what I have now [00:58] grub should take care of that for ya [00:58] I have a lot installed [00:58] oh yeah [00:58] uefi sucks [00:58] android devel [00:58] with ubuntu it works for me lol [01:00] yes, I don't know why we have a harder time [01:02] I assume you've read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI [01:03] nope just installed like normal [01:04] then kubuntu should have no problems either [01:05] I just have so much setup here [01:05] * ahoneybun looks how he setup the table [01:06] nope all in one parition [01:12] you've had kubuntu in a VM so far? [01:13] valorie, yea in Windows but have not booted it in awhile [01:13] I'm the opposite; I have windows here but never use it [01:13] I don't like unity, so just always install or upgrade kub [01:14] but i do seed torrents for all the flavors [01:16] I'm seeding Kubuntu 13.10 and 12.04-3 [01:16] on Windows === soee_ is now known as soee [03:17] i have a feeling that using menubar on panel makes my system a bit more responsive than having it at the top of the screen [04:47] kubotu: order coffee [04:47] * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to apachelogger. [06:27] Riddell: trouble... for whoopsie we need a core dump, but there is no core until after drkonqi is done [06:36] Riddell: also if we force a dump after drkonqi is done the stack will show the crash handling frames as well I suppose [06:38] considering every kapplication dump would have that it probably wouldn't be a big issue [06:52] still le terrible because we do not want apport-kde coming up after drkonqi and we also do not want to override apport as core dump handler [06:55] so what we coudl do is 1. raise() after drkonqi is done - slightly polluting the dump with kcrash's sighandler frame 2. have drkonqi write a file to /var/crash with a .drkonqi-upload suffix 3. have k-n-h or apport-kde or apport look for such a suffix and if present create the .upload file for whoopsie without ever presenting a UI [06:57] so it'd be a delayed whoopsie upload ... the user allows the upload of an automatic report in drkonqi but only after drkonqi terminated the crashing application will trigger a core dump -> apport report which is then cleared for upload via whoopsie by some other application (k-n-h/apport-kde/apport) based on drkonqi [07:42] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6544638/ === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [08:30] ovidiu-florin: Ah sorry I ment the Romanian one, the tr has led me a stray: http://tr.kubuntu.org/bootstrap/ [09:19] Riddell: knh lives in bzr btw [09:19] also that po file import looks like a workaround^3 :P [09:22] Good morning btw. === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [09:39] mgraesslin: ++++ [09:39] jussi: ? [09:39] mgraesslin: I just found out a little nicety with kwin :=) [09:39] alt+ left click = resizing without trying to find that super annoying little edge [09:40] alt+right click [09:40] yeah, dunno why I wrote left :? [09:41] but in anycase, really nice [09:45] lordievader: hey, are you around? [09:45] ovidiu-florin: the stickers are coming!! [09:46] jussi: that's great news [09:46] does that mean that you've sent them already? [09:46] no, it means they are on the way to me [09:47] ah, still good :D [09:47] I've shipped a laptop with preinstalled Kubuntu :D [09:47] Riddell: synced to bzr and added validity checks we'll have to build upon for drkonqi integration [09:48] would have been good to put a sticker on that :D [09:49] ovidiu-florin: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2usG9rmoZzcUlJ2RE1ZLVZlUm9pVE02MVFVYjVONzZaU1Nj/edit?usp=sharing [09:50] transparent? or white background [09:50] ? [09:51] ovidiu-florin: Yes, I'm here. [09:52] jussi: ^^ [09:52] white, as we talked about [09:53] lordievader: regarding that conversation about the romanian page, I didn't understand, what was that about? [09:53] jussi: ok [09:54] ovidiu-florin: I think there was some confusing whether that page would go to docs.kubuntu.org or not. [09:54] what page? [09:54] lordievader: ^ [09:56] ovidiu-florin: The bootstrap page you linked to in: https://trello.com/c/iljLYjJT/75-create-one-page-html-for-first-impression-about-kubuntu-on-kubuntu-org [09:56] I didn't do that [09:56] that's Volkan [09:56] turkush dude [09:57] turkish* [09:58] ovidiu-florin: Ah my apologies, got things mixed up. Sorry about that. [09:58] that page looks awsome thoug [09:59] I think I can get my friend Cosmin to work something up [09:59] I'll put him in contact with Volkan [09:59] ahoneybun: The one page summary page we talked about yesterday was created by volkan, not by ovidiu-florin. I got things mixed up, sorry. [10:07] "Jussi Schultink (jussi01) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" yay jussi still loves us! [10:14] "Kristóf Kiszel (ulysses) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" well good he still loves us even if he hasn't been around for ages [10:26] Riddell: pushed ui changes to kcm-whoopsie [10:30] apachelogger: what's new? [11:00] Riddell: metrics UI gone away and previous reports is no longer right hand side aligned [11:00] and I now have a working prototype for drkonqi whoopsying [11:06] apachelogger: great, how did you get over the not having a core dump issue? [11:07] re-raising signal to the native handler after drkonqi is done [11:07] genius [11:07] kcrash by default will _exit which is why there is no core dump [11:09] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6545313/ [11:10] http://i.imgur.com/SAb1LfS.png [11:10] when submission is checked it writes a stamp file into /var/crash [11:10] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6545315 [11:11] kcrash then looks for that file and either re-raises the signal to the native handler (causing a core dump which in turn launches apport) or exists as before [11:11] two crash handler notifications? sounds annoying [11:12] apport then creates the report based on the dump [11:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6545323/ [11:13] k-n-h checks for each report whether it was already approved for submission by the user and if so triggers a batch upload script that uploads all reports with approval [11:13] if there is none it will launch apport-kde (i.e. for !kapplications) [11:14] kfunk: one handler really [11:14] it's why the patch spans three different pieces of software [11:38] good morning === soee__ is now known as soee [11:43] Hey soee, how are you doing? [11:44] lordievader: not so good aftert half of night working :) [11:44] you ? [12:13] soee: Ugh doesn't sound like fun. I'm doing quite okay. [12:26] Hey folks === vinay is now known as Guest16744 [13:02] ::qt-bugs:: [1242633] unity pointer barriers sru bug @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1242633 (by Maarten Lankhorst) [13:55] xnox: regarding our cache population discussion, can you clarify further what tracking the pid means? === Pici` is now known as Pici [14:02] ::qt-bugs:: [1195007] qt patch introduces fatal gdk_x_error handler @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195007 (by Patrick Oßmann) [14:26] xnox: so, does adding a new method in plugininstall.py and then calling it from inside run() cound as pid tracking? [14:27] shadeslayer: hm, actually i was thinking something like ubiquity-dm does for working long-running processes (e.g. dbus, gnome-settings-daemon, etc) [14:28] xnox: do you want to take over from me on this ? :P [14:28] shadeslayer: but that's only if we want to do it in parallel to everything else (like the downloading of the packages are) [14:28] since I've wasted quite a bit of time and you're better at this [14:28] shadeslayer: but, if one does it sequentially in plugininstall.py just an exec should be fine, as long as you block until it completes and exits. [14:28] shadeslayer: same like the apparmor function is done. [14:29] shadeslayer: =))))) i understand. it would help if you could hunt down where software-centre post-install hook is executed. [14:29] shadeslayer: cause if we add this, then we should remove the "deleting of the cache" bits and instead do incremental cache update. [14:29] shadeslayer: i can do it, but probably not this year. [14:29] heh okay [14:30] shadeslayer: is there a bug report about it? feel free to assign it to me?! [14:30] I'll file one [14:30] and I don't see how I can find the software-centre post-install hook is located when you failed at locating it :P [14:31] xnox: possibly it comes from software-center? [14:48] xnox: there's also a item on our trello board about ubiquity QML [14:51] shadeslayer: QML is wishful thinking. There are no current plans to re-engineer ubiquity. [14:56] shadeslayer: I think that's a quick todo item done then :) [14:56] ^^ [14:56] already commented === mydogsnameisrudy is now known as rudyismydog [15:05] shadeslayer: the new touchpad config in system settings is that with the white icon (and the old one with the grey one), right? [15:06] Yep [15:06] ty [15:07] * shadeslayer already found a bug [15:07] shadeslayer: and i a papercut, but just looked 5s on it. which bug is it? [15:08] Blizzz: touchpad gets disabled when you plugin your mouse no matter what you set [15:10] Riddell: wifi connected properly with 14.04 === sem is now known as Peace-- [15:14] xnox: bug 1259202 [15:14] bug 1259202 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity doesn't populate xapian cache on target when using the KDE frontend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259202 [15:18] Peace--, yes i'm impressed with the the wifi on 14.04 , connected immediately during installion ...pretty cool considering previous problems with HW recognition [15:19] broadcom is probly the most used wifi chip on laptops nowadays [15:19] shadeslayer: for me it works (usb) [15:20] ah [15:20] I have synaptiks [15:20] lemme see [15:20] shadeslayer: oh, my mouse seems to be on the ignore list [15:20] isn't there key one can use to temporarily disable the the touchpad ? [15:21] not on mine [15:21] shadeslayer: no, the disable touchpad when mouse is plugged in option works for me as it should [15:22] and i love the deactivate touchpad on keyboard activity featue [15:24] Blizzz, where do I find that function? , doesn't appear in synaptiks here [15:25] using a wireless mouse [15:25] BluesKaj: yes, it's not in synaptiks [15:26] but in CFT [15:26] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2013-December/007596.html === greyback is now known as greyback|london [15:33] Blizzz: CFT = Call for Testing :D [15:34] BluesKaj: really i had problems with wifi and my bcm4306 on 14.04 [15:35] BluesKaj: i had to install the firmware but after that in my case i was not able to connect to my wifi because network manager did not add my wifi [15:35] BluesKaj: i did a upgrade and now it's working [15:35] :s [15:35] shadeslayer: nah, I'm case sensitive :p [15:36] BluesKaj: anyways i had a nice solutioon i shared my wifi with an ethernet one :D computer 1 with wifi connected ethernet cable computer 2 [15:49] kubotu: newversion kdevelop 4.6 [15:49] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1259220 [16:01] Riddell: can you also mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/+bug/1259220 as affecting kdevplatform , kdevelop-php, kdevelop-php-docs and kdev-python [16:01] Ubuntu bug 1259220 in kdevelop (Ubuntu) "Please update kdevelop to 4.6" [Undecided,In progress] [16:13] shadeslayer: I fixed dat mail [16:13] thank you [16:14] also ... APT, CLI, GUI, KDE, FLOSS, GPL, SRU, BTS, ITP, IDE, ISO, PPA and other previously approved acronyms may be used as previously approved [16:14] oh and I see Blizzz didn't know what CFT means either [16:14] less reason to feel stupid \o/ [16:15] shadeslayer: isn't that obvious to anyone who cares? [16:15] it's actually spooky if you think about how many acronyms we use on a daily basis [16:15] Riddell: easier to track for me, then I know which packages have been uploaded if I break the task over 2 days [16:16] shadeslayer: wouldn't it cause breakage if you upload them one-by-one? [16:17] apachelogger: not if I properly version Build Depends so that all of them build against the new kdevplatform [16:18] so confusing [16:18] shadeslayer: do I have more beastie powers than you? [16:18] Riddell: probably [16:19] I can't add more projects to the same bug [16:19] or atleast I couldn't find a way to [16:19] because you are not motu [16:19] nor core-dev [16:20] nor have you requested the mighty access powas [16:20] I'm on the bug squad [16:20] but that's about it [16:20] you must be in bug-control [16:20] right, I'm in that [16:20] bug squad, bug control, so confusing [16:20] then you can add more packages [16:20] What button? [16:21] the add more distro shoot button [16:21] aha [16:21] shadeslayer: I can't find a way either [16:21] gotcha === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz [16:22] * apachelogger waves fist [16:22] Riddell is like the enmy of all BTS ^^ [16:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/+bug/1259220/+distrotask [16:22] Ubuntu bug 1259220 in kdevelop (Ubuntu) "Please update kdevelop to 4.6" [Undecided,In progress] [16:22] here ye go [16:22] I clicked a button :P [16:23] xD [16:23] Anyway, added everything [16:24] so rude [16:24] https://launchpad.net/bugs/737856 [16:24] Ubuntu bug 737856 in synaptiks (Ubuntu) "synaptiks crashed with KeyError in __getitem__(): u'No such property: NAME'" [Medium,Confirmed] [16:24] shadeslayer, Blizzz: ^ can anyone reproduce that [16:24] cuz I have a patchy somewhere [16:24] alas no working touchpad [16:24] so I can't test it ^^ [16:25] Riddell: going to push whoopsie stuff tomorrow I think [16:25] apachelogger: lovely [16:26] still gotta check with someone whether using qfile classes in a handler is a good idea [16:26] apachelogger: the report is for the old synaptiks? [16:27] yes [16:27] apachelogger: maybe it's my eyes but I don't see an 'automatically switch off, if a mouse is plugged' option there [16:27] should be context menu of the tray applet [16:28] unless ScottK patched the option away which certainly would explain why the submission frequency has decreased to almost nil [16:30] apachelogger: i don't have a tray thingy for this. maybe i got rid of it somehow sometime ago [16:31] curious ^^ [16:31] <- knows nothing about the synaptiks thing [16:31] start synaptiks via krunner [16:31] then you get the tray thingy [16:33] shadeslayer: true. [16:34] apachelogger: it crashes, when i swithc iff autoamtically switch off foobar [16:35] shadeslayer: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-ext4/msg10172.html [16:35] Blizzz: I'll give you a patchy tomorrow then [16:37] apachelogger: fun [16:38] ok now , where is kde-touchpad-config located ? === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [16:39] apachelogger: okilidokili [16:39] BluesKaj: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental [16:40] shadeslayer, already installed it , but it doesn't show upp in the usual places , locate doesn't evn show it [16:41] BluesKaj: same place as synaptiks [16:41] already looked , no change [16:41] 0.o [16:41] Screen shot of the input stuff? [16:43] ok, it finally showed up , thanks shadeslayer [16:44] \o/ [17:02] apachelogger: so I have a nasty patch that disables systemd checking allowing one to drop pm-utils from the CD [17:02] *disables systemd version checks in powerdevil [17:03] http://paste.kde.org/p0bf51826 [17:10] shadeslayer: I think that's about as good as we're going to get [17:10] we need to test it manually each release that it all still works [17:12] yep, suspend, hibernate and hybrid sleep [19:30] apachelogger: I have no recollection of any such events. [19:38] Hey guys, i am investigating a bug; Can somebody help me real quick ? When you log in/out does the userbar move to the last user that logged in? [20:20] hello [20:20] just want to know when kdevelop 4.6 binaries will be available... [20:30] hi [20:31] dont know [20:31] but [20:31] here [20:31] everybody speak soooooo much ;D [20:33] Lukas_: Shh, don't wake the idlers. [20:34] crissi: already uploaded for Trusty [20:34] Uploading for saucy to staging PPA [20:37] lordievader: why ?:> [20:37] yes just saw it [20:37] shadeslayer: url? [20:38] crissi: huh? [20:38] crissi: for Trusty? [20:38] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop ? [20:38] yes [20:38] for Saucy https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging [20:38] still waiting to be built, plz don't add that ppa [20:39] so sauchy build should be available shortly at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop ? [20:40] no [20:40] Lukas_: Just joking ;) [20:40] In kubuntu-ppa/backports [20:40] this one i already have added [20:41] cool, you'll get it soon then [20:42] lordievader: i thought if they will wake up something bad will happen ;D [20:42] Lukas_: It just might ;) [20:48] lordievader: so maybe seriously ill dont wake them up ;p [20:51] just kdevelop 4.4.6 in the repos during an upgrade [20:51] saw [20:53] Gues I should update to 4.6 at some time. [21:00] im new and seriously i dunno what did u say ;d [21:00] i dunno that slang ;d [21:01] Guess* [21:01] hehe that i did understand ;d [21:02] just kdevelop 4.4.6 in the repos during an upgrade <-- that didnt ;d [21:02] Lukas_: Wasn't really directed at you, more in general. Im running kdevelop 4.5.60 and should update to 4.6. [21:02] what he said ?;d [21:02] ahhh [21:02] Lukas_: Ah, do you know what a repo is? (This is more of a support question, are you in #kubuntu?) [21:02] google said me what is it ;d [21:03] dunno why im on kubuntu-devel ;D [21:03] Lukas_: /join #kubuntu ;) [21:03] y [21:03] i did it ;d [21:04] im too low for Your level ;d [21:04] and too old for learning that ;d [21:05] Riddell, Why is the maintainer of orage in ubuntu the kubuntu members? [22:58] hey lordievader === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [23:09] Noskcaj: hah, no idea