[00:12] <ahoneybun> hey valorie 
[00:12] <valorie> hi ahoneybun
[00:12] <valorie> how are you?
[00:12] <ahoneybun> good you?
[00:13] <valorie> excellent
[00:13] <valorie> one of my sons visited yesterday, and I went to a really fun party last night
[00:13] <ahoneybun> good
[00:13] <ahoneybun> cool
[00:14] <ahoneybun> so about translations
[00:15] <ahoneybun> we are waiting till we get the mini-docs set?
[00:15] <valorie> hmmm, I'll have to say I haven't thought about the mini-docs issue
[00:16] <valorie> grrr, and i said I would write to the doc and web teams a week ago
[00:16] <valorie> I'll do that right now
[00:16] <ahoneybun> your the best
[00:17] <valorie> because: if we were able to move the docs to KDE infra, our docs would ALL be translated
[00:17] <valorie> and that would be the best outcome IMO
[00:17] <valorie> ok, I'll write right now
[00:17] <ahoneybun> brb
[00:18] <valorie> I'll cc you
[00:18] <valorie> and scarlett, I think
[00:30] <ahoneybun> back
[00:31] <valorie> sent
[00:31] <ahoneybun> valorie, the ubuntu-us-fl team had a good reboot meeting
[00:32] <valorie> \o/
[00:33] <valorie> have you met the Halls?
[00:33] <valorie> Mike and Michelle?
[00:33] <ahoneybun> yep talking about making a 3 person council not 1 leader
[00:33] <ahoneybun> talked to mhalls yea
[00:33] <ahoneybun> not in person
[00:33] <valorie> I would love to have Mike especially more friendly with some Kubuntu people
[00:34] <valorie> they are fabulous people; I've stayed with them after UDS years ago
[00:35] <valorie> I would love to see peace between the Mir devels and those of us heading towards Wayland
[00:37] <ahoneybun> excellent email
[00:38] <valorie> I hope it stirs up some cooperation
[00:39] <ahoneybun> I think it will
[00:40] <ahoneybun> the community will come together :)
[00:43] <valorie> that's what I work for
[00:44] <valorie> everywhere
[00:44] <ahoneybun> yep
[00:50] <ahoneybun> I'm going to focus on the Basic page rewrite now
[00:50] <ahoneybun> well I think next weekedn
[00:50] <ahoneybun> *weekend
[00:50] <valorie> oh good, I'm sure it needs an overhaul
[00:51] <valorie> by next weekend I expect to either be suffering from total chaos here, or be on the brink
[00:52] <valorie> contractors will come soon to tear apart the back bath
[00:52] <valorie> in preparation for the new construction
[00:53]  * ahoneybun just found that the update last week fixes 2 bugs
[00:53]  * ahoneybun that he had
[00:57] <valorie> I have about 2 bugs, and so far, not fixed
[00:57] <valorie> haven't had time to research and report, though
[00:57] <ahoneybun> valorie, how well would it be to install kubuntu-desktop on top of my Ubuntu?
[00:57] <valorie> should be good
[00:57] <valorie> you want to be able to switch back and forth?
[00:57] <ahoneybun> best chance I have to get Kubuntu
[00:57] <ahoneybun> at login
[00:58] <ahoneybun> since it has errors with UEFI and I don't want to lose what I have now
[00:58] <valorie> grub should take care of that for ya
[00:58] <ahoneybun> I have a lot installed
[00:58] <valorie> oh yeah
[00:58] <valorie> uefi sucks
[00:58] <ahoneybun> android devel 
[00:58] <ahoneybun> with ubuntu it works for me lol
[01:00] <valorie> yes, I don't know why we have a harder time
[01:02] <valorie> I assume you've read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[01:03] <ahoneybun> nope just installed like normal
[01:04] <valorie> then kubuntu should have no problems either
[01:05] <ahoneybun> I just have so much setup here
[01:05]  * ahoneybun looks how he setup the table
[01:06] <ahoneybun> nope all in one parition
[01:12] <valorie> you've had kubuntu in a VM so far?
[01:13] <ahoneybun> valorie, yea in Windows but have not booted it in awhile
[01:13] <valorie> I'm the opposite; I have windows here but never use it
[01:13] <valorie> I don't like unity, so just always install or upgrade kub
[01:14] <valorie> but i do seed torrents for all the flavors
[01:16] <ahoneybun> I'm seeding Kubuntu 13.10 and 12.04-3
[01:16] <ahoneybun> on Windows
[03:17] <soee> i have a feeling that using menubar on panel makes my system a bit more responsive than having it at the top of the screen
[04:47] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee
[04:47]  * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to apachelogger.
[06:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: trouble... for whoopsie we need a core dump, but there is no core until after drkonqi is done 
[06:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: also if we force a dump after drkonqi is done the stack will show the crash handling frames as well I suppose
[06:38] <apachelogger> considering every kapplication dump would have that it probably wouldn't be a big issue
[06:52] <apachelogger> still le terrible because we do not want apport-kde coming up after drkonqi and we also do not want to override apport as core dump handler
[06:55] <apachelogger> so what we coudl do is 1. raise() after drkonqi is done - slightly polluting the dump with kcrash's sighandler frame 2. have drkonqi write a file to /var/crash with a .drkonqi-upload suffix 3. have k-n-h or apport-kde or apport look for such a suffix and if present create the .upload file for whoopsie without ever presenting a UI
[06:57] <apachelogger> so it'd be a delayed whoopsie upload ... the user allows the upload of an automatic report in drkonqi but only after drkonqi terminated the crashing application will trigger a core dump -> apport report which is then cleared for upload via whoopsie by some other application (k-n-h/apport-kde/apport) based on drkonqi
[07:42] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6544638/
[08:30] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Ah sorry I ment the Romanian one, the tr has led me a stray: http://tr.kubuntu.org/bootstrap/
[09:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: knh lives in bzr btw
[09:19] <apachelogger> also that po file import looks like a workaround^3 :P
[09:22] <lordievader> Good morning btw.
[09:39] <jussi> mgraesslin: ++++ 
[09:39] <mgraesslin> jussi: ?
[09:39] <jussi> mgraesslin: I just found out a little nicety with kwin :=)
[09:39] <jussi> alt+ left click = resizing without trying to find that super annoying little edge
[09:40] <mgraesslin> alt+right click
[09:40] <jussi> yeah, dunno why I wrote left :?
[09:41] <jussi> but in anycase, really nice
[09:45] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: hey, are you around?
[09:45] <jussi> ovidiu-florin: the stickers are coming!!
[09:46] <ovidiu-florin> jussi: that's great news
[09:46] <ovidiu-florin> does that mean that you've sent them already?
[09:46] <jussi> no, it means they are on the way to me
[09:47] <ovidiu-florin> ah, still good :D
[09:47] <ovidiu-florin> I've shipped a laptop with preinstalled Kubuntu :D
[09:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: synced to bzr and added validity checks we'll have to build upon for drkonqi integration
[09:48] <ovidiu-florin> would have been good to put a sticker on that :D
[09:49] <jussi> ovidiu-florin: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2usG9rmoZzcUlJ2RE1ZLVZlUm9pVE02MVFVYjVONzZaU1Nj/edit?usp=sharing
[09:50] <ovidiu-florin> transparent? or white background
[09:50] <ovidiu-florin> ?
[09:51] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Yes, I'm here.
[09:52] <ovidiu-florin> jussi: ^^
[09:52] <jussi> white, as we talked about
[09:53] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: regarding that conversation about the romanian page, I didn't understand, what was that about?
[09:53] <ovidiu-florin> jussi: ok
[09:54] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: I think there was some confusing whether that page would go to docs.kubuntu.org or not. 
[09:54] <ovidiu-florin> what page?
[09:54] <ovidiu-florin> lordievader: ^
[09:56] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: The bootstrap page you linked to in: https://trello.com/c/iljLYjJT/75-create-one-page-html-for-first-impression-about-kubuntu-on-kubuntu-org
[09:56] <ovidiu-florin> I didn't do that
[09:56] <ovidiu-florin> that's Volkan
[09:56] <ovidiu-florin> turkush dude
[09:57] <ovidiu-florin> turkish*
[09:58] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Ah my apologies, got things mixed up. Sorry about that.
[09:58] <ovidiu-florin> that page looks awsome thoug
[09:59] <ovidiu-florin> I think I can get my friend Cosmin to work something up
[09:59] <ovidiu-florin> I'll put him in contact with Volkan
[09:59] <lordievader> ahoneybun: The one page summary page we talked about yesterday was created by volkan, not by ovidiu-florin. I got things mixed up, sorry.
[10:07] <Riddell> "Jussi Schultink (jussi01) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" yay jussi still loves us!
[10:14] <Riddell> "Kristóf Kiszel (ulysses) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" well good he still loves us even if he hasn't been around for ages
[10:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: pushed ui changes to kcm-whoopsie
[10:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's new?
[11:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: metrics UI gone away and previous reports is no longer right hand side aligned
[11:00] <apachelogger> and I now have a working prototype for drkonqi whoopsying
[11:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: great, how did you get over the not having a core dump issue?
[11:07] <apachelogger> re-raising signal to the native handler after drkonqi is done
[11:07] <Riddell> genius
[11:07] <apachelogger> kcrash by default will _exit which is why there is no core dump
[11:09] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6545313/
[11:10] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/SAb1LfS.png
[11:10] <apachelogger> when submission is checked it writes a stamp file into /var/crash
[11:10] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6545315
[11:11] <apachelogger> kcrash then looks for that file and either re-raises the signal to the native handler (causing a core dump which in turn launches apport) or exists as before
[11:11] <kfunk> two crash handler notifications? sounds annoying
[11:12] <apachelogger> apport then creates the report based on the dump
[11:12] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6545323/
[11:13] <apachelogger> k-n-h checks for each report whether it was already approved for submission by the user and if so triggers a batch upload script that uploads all reports with approval
[11:13] <apachelogger> if there is none it will launch apport-kde (i.e. for !kapplications)
[11:14] <apachelogger> kfunk: one handler really
[11:14] <apachelogger> it's why the patch spans three different pieces of software
[11:38] <soee__> good morning
[11:43] <lordievader> Hey soee, how are you doing?
[11:44] <soee> lordievader: not so good aftert half of night working :)
[11:44] <soee> you ?
[12:13] <lordievader> soee: Ugh doesn't sound like fun. I'm doing quite okay.
[12:26] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:02] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1242633] unity pointer barriers sru bug @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1242633 (by Maarten Lankhorst)
[13:55] <shadeslayer> xnox: regarding our cache population discussion, can you clarify further what tracking the pid means?
[14:02] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1195007] qt patch introduces fatal gdk_x_error handler @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195007 (by Patrick Oßmann)
[14:26] <shadeslayer> xnox: so, does adding a new method in plugininstall.py and then calling it from inside run() cound as pid tracking?
[14:27] <xnox> shadeslayer: hm, actually i was thinking something like ubiquity-dm does for working long-running processes (e.g. dbus, gnome-settings-daemon, etc)
[14:28] <shadeslayer> xnox: do you want to take over from me on this ? :P
[14:28] <xnox> shadeslayer: but that's only if we want to do it in parallel to everything else (like the downloading of the packages are)
[14:28] <shadeslayer> since I've wasted quite a bit of time and you're better at this
[14:28] <xnox> shadeslayer: but, if one does it sequentially in plugininstall.py just an exec should be fine, as long as you block until it completes and exits.
[14:28] <xnox> shadeslayer: same like the apparmor function is done.
[14:29] <xnox> shadeslayer: =))))) i understand. it would help if you could hunt down where software-centre post-install hook is executed.
[14:29] <xnox> shadeslayer: cause if we add this, then we should remove the "deleting of the cache" bits and instead do incremental cache update.
[14:29] <xnox> shadeslayer: i can do it, but probably not this year.
[14:29] <shadeslayer> heh okay
[14:30] <xnox> shadeslayer: is there a bug report about it? feel free to assign it to me?!
[14:30] <shadeslayer> I'll file one
[14:30] <shadeslayer> and I don't see how I can find the software-centre post-install hook is located when you failed at locating it :P
[14:31] <shadeslayer> xnox: possibly it comes from software-center?
[14:48] <shadeslayer> xnox: there's also a item on our trello board about ubiquity QML
[14:51] <xnox> shadeslayer: QML is wishful thinking. There are no current plans to re-engineer ubiquity.
[14:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think that's a quick todo item done then :)
[14:56] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:56] <shadeslayer> already commented
[15:05] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: the new touchpad config in system settings is that with the white icon (and the old one with the grey one), right?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Yep
[15:06] <Blizzz> ty
[15:07]  * shadeslayer already found a bug
[15:07] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: and i a papercut, but just looked 5s on it. which bug is it?
[15:08] <shadeslayer> Blizzz: touchpad gets disabled when you plugin your mouse no matter what you set
[15:10] <sem> Riddell: wifi connected properly  with 14.04
[15:14] <shadeslayer> xnox: bug 1259202
[15:18] <BluesKaj> Peace--, yes i'm impressed with the the wifi on 14.04 , connected immediately during installion ...pretty cool considering previous problems with HW recognition 
[15:19] <BluesKaj> broadcom is probly the most used wifi chip on laptops nowadays
[15:19] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: for me it works (usb)
[15:20] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:20] <shadeslayer> I have synaptiks
[15:20] <shadeslayer> lemme see
[15:20] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: oh, my mouse seems to be on the ignore list
[15:20] <BluesKaj> isn't there key one can use to temporarily disable the the touchpad ?
[15:21] <shadeslayer> not on mine
[15:21] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: no, the disable touchpad when mouse is plugged in option works for me as it should
[15:22] <Blizzz> and i love the deactivate touchpad on keyboard activity featue
[15:24] <BluesKaj> Blizzz, where do I find that function? , doesn't appear in synaptiks here
[15:25] <BluesKaj> using a wireless mouse
[15:25] <Blizzz> BluesKaj: yes, it's not in synaptiks
[15:26] <Blizzz> but in CFT
[15:26] <Blizzz> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2013-December/007596.html
[15:33] <shadeslayer> Blizzz: CFT = Call for Testing :D
[15:34] <Peace--> BluesKaj: really i had problems with wifi and my bcm4306 on 14.04
[15:35] <Peace--> BluesKaj: i had to install the firmware but after that in my case i was not able to connect to my wifi because network manager did not add my wifi 
[15:35] <Peace--> BluesKaj: i did a upgrade and now it's working 
[15:35] <Peace--> :s
[15:35] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: nah, I'm case sensitive :p
[15:36] <Peace--> BluesKaj: anyways i had a nice solutioon i shared my wifi with an ethernet one :D computer 1 with wifi connected   ethernet cable         computer 2 
[15:49] <shadeslayer> kubotu: newversion kdevelop 4.6
[15:49] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1259220
[16:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you also mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/+bug/1259220 as affecting kdevplatform , kdevelop-php, kdevelop-php-docs and kdev-python
[16:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I fixed dat mail
[16:13] <shadeslayer> thank you
[16:14] <apachelogger> also ... APT, CLI, GUI, KDE, FLOSS, GPL, SRU, BTS, ITP, IDE, ISO, PPA and other previously approved acronyms may be used as previously approved
[16:14] <apachelogger> oh and I see Blizzz didn't know what CFT means either
[16:14] <apachelogger> less reason to feel stupid \o/
[16:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: isn't that obvious to anyone who cares?
[16:15] <apachelogger> it's actually spooky if you think about how many acronyms we use on a daily basis
[16:15] <shadeslayer> Riddell: easier to track for me, then I know which packages have been uploaded if I break the task over 2 days
[16:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wouldn't it cause breakage if you upload them one-by-one?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not if I properly version Build Depends so that all of them build against the new kdevplatform
[16:18] <apachelogger> so confusing
[16:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do I have more beastie powers than you?
[16:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: probably
[16:19] <shadeslayer> I can't add more projects to the same bug
[16:19] <shadeslayer> or atleast I couldn't find a way to
[16:19] <apachelogger> because you are not motu
[16:19] <apachelogger> nor core-dev
[16:20] <apachelogger> nor have you requested the mighty access powas
[16:20] <shadeslayer> I'm on the bug squad
[16:20] <shadeslayer> but that's about it
[16:20] <apachelogger> you must be in bug-control
[16:20] <shadeslayer> right, I'm in that
[16:20] <shadeslayer> bug squad, bug control, so confusing
[16:20] <apachelogger> then you can add more packages
[16:20] <shadeslayer> What button?
[16:21] <apachelogger> the add more distro shoot button
[16:21] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I can't find a way either
[16:21] <shadeslayer> gotcha
[16:22]  * apachelogger waves fist
[16:22] <apachelogger> Riddell is like the enmy of all BTS ^^
[16:22] <apachelogger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop/+bug/1259220/+distrotask
[16:22] <apachelogger> here ye go
[16:22] <apachelogger> I clicked a button :P
[16:23] <shadeslayer> xD
[16:23] <shadeslayer> Anyway, added everything
[16:24] <apachelogger> so rude
[16:24] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/bugs/737856
[16:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Blizzz: ^ can anyone reproduce that
[16:24] <apachelogger> cuz I have a patchy somewhere
[16:24] <apachelogger> alas no working touchpad
[16:24] <apachelogger> so I can't test it ^^
[16:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: going to push whoopsie stuff tomorrow I think
[16:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: lovely
[16:26] <apachelogger> still gotta check with someone whether using qfile classes in a handler is a good idea
[16:26] <Blizzz> apachelogger: the report is for the old synaptiks?
[16:27] <apachelogger> yes
[16:27] <Blizzz> apachelogger: maybe it's my eyes but I don't see an 'automatically switch off, if a mouse is plugged' option there
[16:27] <apachelogger> should be context menu of the tray applet
[16:28] <apachelogger> unless ScottK patched the option away which certainly would explain why the submission frequency has decreased to almost nil
[16:30] <Blizzz> apachelogger: i don't have a tray thingy for this. maybe i got rid of it somehow sometime ago
[16:31] <apachelogger> curious ^^
[16:31] <apachelogger> <- knows nothing about the synaptiks thing
[16:31] <shadeslayer> start synaptiks via krunner
[16:31] <shadeslayer> then you get the tray thingy
[16:33] <Blizzz> shadeslayer: true. 
[16:34] <Blizzz> apachelogger: it crashes, when i swithc iff autoamtically switch off foobar
[16:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-ext4/msg10172.html
[16:35] <apachelogger> Blizzz: I'll give you a patchy tomorrow then
[16:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fun
[16:38] <BluesKaj> ok now , where is kde-touchpad-config located ?
[16:39] <Blizzz> apachelogger: okilidokili
[16:39] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: ppa:kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[16:40] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, already installed it , but it doesn't show upp in the usual places , locate doesn't evn show it
[16:41] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: same place as synaptiks
[16:41] <BluesKaj> already looked , no change
[16:41] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[16:41] <shadeslayer> Screen shot of the input stuff?
[16:43] <BluesKaj> ok, it finally showed up , thanks shadeslayer
[16:44] <shadeslayer> \o/
[17:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so I have a nasty patch that disables systemd checking allowing one to drop pm-utils from the CD
[17:02] <shadeslayer> *disables systemd version checks in powerdevil
[17:03] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/p0bf51826
[17:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think that's about as good as we're going to get
[17:10] <Riddell> we need to test it manually each release that it all still works
[17:12] <shadeslayer> yep, suspend, hibernate and hybrid sleep
[19:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: I have no recollection of any such events.
[19:38] <FlowRiser> Hey guys, i am investigating a bug; Can somebody help me real quick ?  When you log in/out does the userbar move to the last user that logged in?
[20:20] <crissi> hello
[20:20] <crissi> just want to know when kdevelop 4.6 binaries will be available...
[20:30] <Lukas_> hi
[20:31] <Lukas_> dont know
[20:31] <Lukas_> but
[20:31] <Lukas_> here
[20:31] <Lukas_> everybody speak soooooo much ;D
[20:33] <lordievader> Lukas_: Shh, don't wake the idlers.
[20:34] <shadeslayer> crissi: already uploaded for Trusty
[20:34] <shadeslayer> Uploading for saucy to staging PPA
[20:37] <Lukas_> lordievader: why ?:>
[20:37] <crissi> yes just saw it
[20:37] <crissi> shadeslayer: url?
[20:38] <shadeslayer> crissi: huh?
[20:38] <shadeslayer> crissi: for Trusty?
[20:38] <crissi> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop ?
[20:38] <shadeslayer> yes
[20:38] <shadeslayer> for Saucy https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging
[20:38] <shadeslayer> still waiting to be built, plz don't add that ppa
[20:39] <crissi> so sauchy build should be available shortly at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop ?
[20:40] <shadeslayer> no
[20:40] <lordievader> Lukas_: Just joking ;)
[20:40] <shadeslayer> In kubuntu-ppa/backports
[20:40] <crissi> this one i already have added
[20:41] <shadeslayer> cool, you'll get it soon then
[20:42] <Lukas_> lordievader: i thought if they will wake up something bad will happen ;D
[20:42] <lordievader> Lukas_: It just might ;)
[20:48] <Lukas_> lordievader:  so maybe seriously ill dont wake them up ;p
[20:51] <BluesKaj> just kdevelop 4.4.6 in the repos during an upgrade
[20:51] <BluesKaj> saw
[20:53] <lordievader> Gues I should update to 4.6 at some time.
[21:00] <Lukas_> im new and seriously i dunno what did u say ;d
[21:00] <Lukas_> i dunno that slang ;d
[21:01] <lordievader> Guess*
[21:01] <Lukas_> hehe that i did understand ;d
[21:02] <Lukas_> just kdevelop 4.4.6 in the repos during an upgrade <-- that didnt ;d
[21:02] <lordievader> Lukas_: Wasn't really directed at you, more in general. Im running kdevelop 4.5.60 and should update to 4.6.
[21:02] <Lukas_> what he said ?;d
[21:02] <Lukas_> ahhh
[21:02] <lordievader> Lukas_: Ah, do you know what a repo is? (This is more of a support question, are you in #kubuntu?)
[21:02] <Lukas_> google said me what is it ;d
[21:03] <Lukas_> dunno why im on kubuntu-devel ;D
[21:03] <lordievader> Lukas_: /join #kubuntu ;)
[21:03] <Lukas_> y
[21:03] <Lukas_> i did it ;d
[21:04] <Lukas_> im too low for Your level ;d
[21:04] <Lukas_> and too old for learning that ;d
[21:05] <Noskcaj> Riddell, Why is the maintainer of orage in ubuntu the kubuntu members?
[22:58] <ahoneybun> hey lordievader 
[23:09] <Riddell> Noskcaj: hah, no idea