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valorie!ufi01:01
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Unit193!uefi01:01
ubottuUEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware, it is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI01:01
valoriepfff01:01
Unit193:D01:01
valorieI can't spell, evidently01:01
Unit193"efi" is also acceptable.01:01
valoriethanks, Unit19301:01
Unit193Sure.01:01
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roastedhello friends04:05
roasteddoes anybody know if the homerun launcher is still being worked on? I thought it had passed 1.1.0 but now, months later, I revisited it and I see only 1.1.0 in the ppa04:05
tsimpsonit's still being developed but 1.1.0 is the latest version https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/homerun/repository04:07
roastedtsimpson: I thought for sure I had pulled down a 1.2.0 at some point. I hadn't been on a KDE distro in some time now so I was revisiting it. I thought for sure I was goofing something up but 1.1.0 was all I could find. Clearly I goofed.04:26
James0rwhat is the official forums site for kubuntu now? i see kubuntuforums.org isn't working at the moment04:27
apacheloggerJames0r: "official" is a bit of a stretch but try kubuntuforums.net ;)04:30
James0rapachelogger, i've been getting "Error 503 : Service Temporarily Unavailable" since i installed kubuntu a few weeks ago. the ubuntu forums are relevant for most things of course not always kde specific.04:31
apacheloggernot seeing a 503 here04:33
James0rapachelogger, ahh. might be my connection then. there is some govt censorship in vietnam but i don't imagine they'd block a site like that.04:34
James0ri read something about the site getting DOS attacked so maybe this is a preventative measure against DOS attacks?04:36
apacheloggercertaily possible04:36
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NanodesuGuys08:05
NanodesuHow can I delete steam?08:05
Nanodesuptitude search steam v   steam                                                                             -                                                                                              p   steam:i386                                                                        - Valve's Steam digital software delivery system08:05
FloodBotK1Nanodesu: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.08:05
Nanodesuhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6544688/08:06
NanodesuPlease, read the paste08:07
Nanodesuapachelogger: are you on?08:15
NanodesuSomeone?08:27
tsimpsonNanodesu: try "sudo apt-get remove steam:i386"08:31
MangaKaDenzasay Nanodesu I'm just wondering the reason of why you want to remove steam...08:32
MangaKaDenzaconflicting with software?08:32
NanodesuI'm not  gamer08:32
NanodesuI installed it for a friend08:32
NanodesuI will try tsimpson, thanks friend08:43
lordievaderGood morning.09:22
apb1963So I was messing around with the window manager and I'm not sure what I did, but now all of my chrome windows are "stuck together", in that when I move one window to a different virtual desktop, they all move.  Also, now the very top has a list of window titles.  Anybody know how I can "unstick" these windows and get ride of those extra window titles that weren't there before?  kubuntu 12.04.309:43
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schreberIs there anyway to turn off transparency on the taskbar, I've looked in system settings > workspace appearance but I can't seem to locate anything related to transparency?11:52
BluesKajHey folks12:26
shadeslayerschreber: the only way to do it is by turning off compositing afaik12:36
impadminhello12:56
impadminhie12:57
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Purv0147hello13:38
Purv0147what is kubuntu???13:38
James0rwasn't getting through to kubuntuforums.net earlier but it's working now. nice.13:53
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Guest56831Hi all.14:27
Guest56831Anybody able to help me with a quick problem14:27
Guest56831?14:27
Guest56831I just installed Kubuntu, and when I try to use su in the konsole it says my password is wrong.14:27
Guest56831I have it auto log in so I don't know what my password is from my install.14:28
Guest56831how can I change it14:28
Guest56831Hello14:29
Guest56831anybody?14:29
Guest56831ccoo14:29
crowellGuest56831: if you're here under a different nick now, ubuntu by default doesn't have a root user with a password you set, you'll want to do "sudo su" to get the same effect14:37
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FloodBotK1!netsplit15:01
ubottunetsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit15:01
crowellFloodBotK1: do you really need to tell us that _every_ time?15:03
crowellwe've got netsplits on deck all day15:03
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kaddihi, my pc forgets the password to my wifi network on a regular basis and then disconnects me because of it. How can I prevent htat? OS is kubuntu 13.10, 64bit17:01
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Walexkaddi: that is not happening.17:32
kaddiwell i get the popup to enter my wifi password, then it disconnects me17:34
kaddimight be something else that's happening, but that's how it looks to me17:34
kaddiwifi is stable, btw, as I stay connected on my other PC and phone17:34
Walexkaddi: if you get the password popup it is because the connection was dropped by the access point...17:39
Walexkaddi: the connection is not necessarily stable, a difference in place of 1-2m can make a big difference, and also a difference of WiFi chipset in your PC.17:40
Walexkaddi: anyhow as always to figure out what is happening you need to look at your system logs.17:40
kaddiok17:41
Walexkaddi: most tools for WiFi do some logging even if it may be somewhat hard to interpret.17:41
kaddiis cfg80211 a wifi related module?17:42
Walexkaddi: yes.17:42
kaddiok17:42
kaddican i show you an extract of the dmesg and you can tell me if you see the problem?17:43
Walexradio transmission is a miracle when it works...17:43
Walexkaddi: paste.debian.net for the extract...17:43
kaddihttp://paste.debian.net/hidden/01fcfbd1/ thanks :) Not sure how much you need, I just picked a certain length that seemed to inclde reconnects17:44
Walexkaddi: it reconnects rather frequently. However very strange to see "IPv6: wlan0: IPv6 duplicate address fe80::5e51:4fff:fe22:3030 detected!"17:48
Walexkaddi: try to put on the same site the output of 'ip l s dev wlan0'17:48
kaddiyeah, especially since I don't think we atually use ipv617:49
kaddiwith sudo?17:49
Walexyes 'sudo'17:49
kaddishould there be output?17:49
Walexkaddi: so called link-local IPv6 addresses are default.17:50
kaddiWalex: i don't get any output for sudo ip l s dev wlan017:50
Walexkaddi: but they have part of the hw address so if one is duplicated there are chances two WiFi interfaces have the same hw address17:50
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kaddiWalex: good to know :) I'm not knowledgeable with that stuff17:50
Walexkaddi: no output? Not even the error message "Cannot find device "wlan0""?17:52
kaddiWalex: none. Without the sudo i get RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted. With sudo it just returns nothing17:52
kaddihttp://paste.debian.net/hidden/20b2539b/17:53
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kaddiWalex: not sure if that's relevant but this has appeared since we started talking in the dmesg: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/a120c700/ I haven't been disconnected though18:09
ovrflw0xkaddi: what firmware are you using for your router?18:20
kaddiit's from vodafone, easybox 80318:21
kaddinot sure what the firmware is18:21
ovrflw0xkaddi: do you have NetworkManager installed?18:21
kaddiovrflw0x: yes, I think so18:21
ovrflw0xkaddi: are you using default kubuntu or did you modify?18:22
kaddiovrflw0x: pretty much using default kubuntu, fresh install when 13.10 came out (there were some tips given to me here because the wifi wouldn't work back then either. I'd have to look it up)18:22
ovrflw0xkaddi: did you remove/install any other package related to wifi?18:23
kaddiovrflw0x: no, it was command line stuff they asked me to... I'll see if I have the logs. I had a fix IP set for a while because it was the only way to connect though18:24
kaddihm, no doens't look like i have the logs anymore :/18:28
lordievaderkaddi: If you know the date you can also look them up here: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/18:29
kaddilordievader: ah thanks.. can I check the date when I installed my ubuntu somehow? It should be the same date... midth of october18:30
lordievaderkaddi: I wouldn't know how, sorry.18:30
kaddigoogle will know :)18:31
kaddii remember more now, the dhcp-client was blocked by apparmor and that's why I couldn't get an IP at the time and had to set one manually18:35
kaddi[15:35] <__dan__> kaddi: you could always try setting an IP address manually (sudo ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0) as an example then (route add default gw 192.168.1.254) or whatever your network details are18:35
kaddithat's what "fixed" it in the end18:35
kaddigiven that there are no messages belonging to apparmor in the dmesg output, I would assume this problem is a different one though18:36
ovrflw0xkaddi: do you have kwallet?18:37
kaddiovrflw0x: do I need to install that manually? I kinda assumed that the password is stored in kwallet... But now that you meantion it, I don't remember setting a password for it18:39
ovrflw0xno18:39
ovrflw0xkaddi: what does your /var/log/syslog say?18:40
kaddiovrflw0x: just checked, the password is in the wallet18:41
ovrflw0xkaddi: what does your /var/log/syslog say?18:41
kaddiovrflw0x: this is the last hour or so: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/e3ddf5cd/18:42
ovrflw0xkaddi: what's wireless card and driver are you using?18:48
ovrflw0xwhat*18:48
kaddilol, i guess that was just to prove a point18:49
kaddii was thinking i didn't remember when the last actual disconnect was18:49
ovrflw0xkaddi: what channel does you router use?18:51
kaddiovrflw0x: the "new" output from the disconnect: http://paste.debian.net/hidden/82980a56/ gonna look up the wireless card now18:51
ovrflw0x20Mhz or auto?18:51
kaddiovrflw0x: auto18:51
ovrflw0xtry 20Mh18:51
kaddii may have been wrong, the channel bandwidth is set to 20MHz and then I have something called the channel that goes from 1 to 13 which is set to auto18:52
kaddishould I choose a specific channel?18:53
ovrflw0xno18:53
ovrflw0xkaddi: open network manager -edit connections18:53
kaddiok18:54
ovrflw0xdelete everything18:54
ovrflw0xthere18:54
kaddiincluding the connection I'm currently on?18:55
ovrflw0xno18:55
ovrflw0xthe one which gets disconnected18:55
kaddithat's the one that gets disconnected18:55
kaddieh the one i'm currently on18:55
ovrflw0xdelete that and start fresh18:55
kaddii'll need a second of preparation :p Need to look up the key first18:56
ovrflw0xkaddi: this guy http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2046109 was having same problem but has no solution18:57
ovrflw0xkaddi: install this linux-firmware-nonfree19:02
ovrflw0xkaddi: what wifi card are you using?19:02
kaddiovrflw0x: where do I check that, can't seem to figure it out on my own :/19:03
FlowRiserhey guys, i have a quick question for you if you use the kde greeter;When you log in/out does the userbar move to the last user that logged in ?19:05
ovrflw0xkaddi: lspci19:05
kaddiovrflw0x: 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 7260 (rev 6b)19:05
kaddijust found it as well :p19:05
ovrflw0xkaddi: install "sudo apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree"19:05
kaddiovrflw0x: it's already running19:05
ovrflw0xwhat do you mean?19:06
kaddiovrflw0x: I installed it the first time you mentioned it :)19:06
ovrflw0xok reboot and check19:06
kaddibefore asking how to identify the wifi card19:06
ovrflw0xk19:06
kaddiok, i'll have to wait a while, they sometimes only happen every hour or more19:06
ovrflw0xhey kaddi what's up bud?19:10
kaddii'm up at the moment :) Hoping I'll stay there too :p19:10
kaddion shutdown i saw this error message:19:11
kaddiDec  9 20:07:05 mytree modem-manager[8435]: <info>  ModemManager (version 0.6.0.0) starting...19:11
kaddiDec  9 20:07:05 mytree modem-manager[8435]: Could not get the system bus. Make sure the message bus daemon is running! Message: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory19:11
kaddiis that related? (this is from the syslog now, couldn't copy it fast enough from the screen at the time)19:11
kaddi(it appeared 3 times)19:12
ovrflw0xkaddi: do you use mobile broadband?19:12
kaddiovrflw0x: no19:12
ovrflw0xignore then19:12
kaddiok :)19:12
ovrflw0xkaddi: how did you come up with nick "kaddi"19:13
kaddii'm keeping my fingers crossed that this resolved the issue :) Won't know for a while... It's hard to know if something is not happening :p19:13
kaddiit's what my siblings called me when they were small (and sometimes still call me today :p)19:13
kaddiit's a "variation" of kathrin19:14
ovrflw0xoh you are female!?19:14
kaddii am :p19:14
ovrflw0xokay how come you use linux?19:14
kaddievil evil work forced me ;)19:14
FlowRiserovrflw0x, don't get too excited, now19:14
kaddiand I suck with a mouse... I'd rather only use the keyboard.... MS is not aimed toward that kind of clientele ;)19:15
kaddiovrflw0x: it was encouraged at university.. I had a friend of mine set me up with ubuntu back in 2004 and have stuck with it since19:15
ovrflw0xkaddi: so you're a programmer?19:15
kaddia physicist :P19:15
kaddii'm fairly sure programmers would take offense if I called myself a programmer... There's little structure in what I code ;)19:16
kaddiand you? How did you end up with linux?19:17
ovrflw0xahh nvm19:18
ovrflw0xkaddi: what kind of physicist nuclear?19:20
kaddiastro19:20
kaddiused to do nuclear, but too many people were scared around me ;)19:20
ovrflw0xwill ISRO rocket reach mar's orbit successfully?19:21
kaddigood question :P19:21
kaddiwould be nice :)19:22
ovrflw0xis it true that US spent millions to make ink for pen that can be used in space, while russians just used pencil?19:22
FlowRiserRussians, like risking their lives19:24
FlowRiserimagine if the tip broke and it got accelerated into somebody's eye ...19:24
ovrflw0xi hope kaddi wifi didn't get disconnected!19:25
ovrflw0xkaddi's19:25
kaddinot really.. i think i read they bought the pens at 6$ a piece19:25
kaddior something like that19:25
ovrflw0xwho bought?19:26
kaddinasa19:26
FlowRiserblimey, a 6$ pen cannot write with no gravity!19:26
kaddipencils are risky, there's dust created from it and the broke mine could cause all kind of havoc.. I think the USSR used crayons, not pencils before switching to seomthing that won't smear when touched :P19:27
ovrflw0xkaddi: did universe really get created with big bang?19:28
kaddiovrflw0x: if we knew, we'd be happy. But it's what most scientist believe today19:28
ovrflw0xhow did one giant mass ball came into existence?19:29
kaddiIt's quite an abstract concept, everything condensed into a singularity.19:29
kaddiovrflw0x: the theory is not that it was created, the theory it was always there but was condensed into a point and then it "exploded" and started expanding and as the universe got bigger it got colder and particles started to cool down and bind themselves to others and thus the first atoms were born and later on the first stars and then galaxies and so on19:30
ovrflw0xkaddi: do you think there's something supernatural stuff behind universe?19:32
ovrflw0xsome*19:32
kaddii don't know. I'm not opposed to an ulterior force setting up the universe and letting it run as it is running now19:33
ovrflw0xkaddi: is "god particle" the answer to the mysteries of the universe?19:33
kaddino, definitely not19:33
ovrflw0xsome philosophies say that everything that you see throught eyes is an illusion19:34
kaddiyes19:34
ovrflw0xdo you believe that?19:34
kaddiwe don't contradict those, because we are only interested in reproducing in formulas accurately what we observe with our eyes. Whether or not this is an illusion or the real deal that allows us to power your car is not particularly relevant19:35
kaddipersonally I find the entire argument kinda pointless. You can not know whether this is an illusion or not. Correct. But what is the benefit of even asking yourself that? What insight do you hope to get from that claim?19:36
ovrflw0xso astro physicist are only interested in "material" stuff?19:36
kaddiI'm mostly interested in material stuff. Other physicists will have other opinions ;)19:36
ovrflw0xkaddi: will the mystery of the universe ever get solved?19:38
kaddiovrflw0x: not in our lifetime, I fear. We're only at the very beginning19:38
ovrflw0xphilosophies say that we have to look inside inside our minds, to know the 'truth'19:39
ovrflw0xtruth can't be found outside but inside19:39
FlowRiseror on wikileaks19:39
kaddiphilosophy and physics actually were the same thing until about 100 years ago. Only then did physics and philosophy separate19:40
kaddiphysics basing their reasoning on observable facts, philosophy basing themselves only reasoning19:40
ovrflw0xkaddi: can you control your thoughts which make up your mind?19:41
kaddithey pursue to completely different goals. You don't have to chose between physics and philosophy. you can have both19:41
kaddiovrflw0x: how can I know?19:43
ovrflw0xkaddi: whole life revolves between pleasure and pain19:44
ovrflw0xkaddi: we are all limited to the 5 senses19:44
ovrflw0xall the people around the world do same thing - eat, sleep, earn money... eat, sleep...19:45
ovrflw0xnot all but "most"19:45
ovrflw0xand whole life goes after searching for pleasure and running away from pain19:46
kaddithere's pleasure in science :D19:47
BluesKajok guys.  if you want to wax philosophical , #kubuntu-offtopic is the chat for you.19:48
ovrflw0xkaddi: are you interested in chatting?19:48
ovrflw0xthe things that i said?19:48
kaddisure why not.. but I don't think we will end up agreeing ;p19:49
ovrflw0xok meet me in offtopic and i'll see if i can make you agree19:49
PiciLike BluesKaj said, #kubuntu-offtopic is the place for general chat. #kubuntu is for support issues only.19:49
ovrflw0xthis channel is logged19:49
* Pici shuts up19:49
posixI have a question: when booting to kubuntu GUI, I cannot choose the name of user to login with19:52
posixwhat should I do to enable this? \19:52
BluesKajposix, do you mean the username wasn't enterd during the install?19:58
soeeposix: do you have more tha 1 user?19:59
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DarthFrogOK, I know I should know the answer to this.  Is there a utility to kill widgets on the desktop?  I've got a note and a launcher widget that I can't close or kill and it's bugging me.20:03
BluesKajDarthFrog, the desktop cashew , is there an unlock widgets option? ... i don't use them so i assume if they can be locked , then unlocking should also be available20:12
crissihello20:14
DarthFrogBluesKaj:  They're unlocked.  But no interaction with the widgets allows me to do anything with them except use them.20:15
crissii just want to know when kdevelop 4.6 binaries will be available... trusty build is available (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdevelop)20:15
DarthFrogcrissi:  You will have to go to the appropriate PPA.20:16
DarthFrog!ppa20:16
ubottuA Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge20:16
crissiDarthFrog: as you can see, i had the page already vistid20:16
crissivisited20:16
BluesKajcrissi, http://www.kdevelop.org/20:18
crissii was there20:18
crissieven in #kdevelop20:18
lordievadercrissi: Give the Kubuntu developers some time, they have more to do than just package kdevelop.20:19
BluesKajmaybe #kubuntu-devel has an answer for you , crissi20:19
crissiit just was a question20:19
lordievadercrissi: Like BluesKaj says, poke around in #kubuntu-devel.20:19
DarthFrogBluesKaj:  I don't know what happened but I locked then unlocked widgets.  All of a sudden, I could then delete the nuisances.20:20
BluesKajDarthFrog, ok , good to know20:26
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BluesKajok maria_, enough20:40
lordievader!repo21:04
ubottuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories21:04
lordievaderHmm not a real explanation.21:04
Lukas_yeah i know what is repo21:04
Lukas_but i didnt know what is kdevelop ;d21:04
Lukas_but now im know ;d21:05
lordievaderLukas_: Ah Kdevelop is an IDE.21:05
Lukas_y google told me that ;d21:05
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