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cprofittpleia2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide needs the following:02:42
cprofittcontent or links on tags and categories02:43
cprofittpleia2 I just edited it now... I marked a bunch I planned on getting to tonight03:01
pleia2cprofitt: ah, thanks!03:11
cprofittno problem03:13
cprofittI can't get that PageHits page to load...03:13
pleia2I can't either03:14
pleia2I tried a couple times earlier and kept getting timeouts :\03:14
cprofittyep03:15
cprofittsomething to look in too03:15
cprofitteventually03:15
cprofittwonder if it is this - http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/PageHitsFails03:16
cprofittwoot... the page finally loaded for me03:17
cprofitt3989 total pages03:17
pleia2wow03:18
cprofittyeah03:19
wmorrihi, i just wanted to let people know that the vodaphone link on this page leads to a nicely made 404 page. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/Huawei03:19
pleia2heh, that's kind of a frightening link anyway :)03:20
pleia2"here, go download some .deb"03:20
wmorriyes it is, and chrome doesn't seem to like it.03:21
pleia2there, I linked to the project page instead03:21
wmorrigreat! thanks!03:22
cprofitthmm... which still comes up as untrusted03:22
pleia2https://forge.betavine.net ?03:22
pleia2chrome seems ok with it03:22
cprofittthat page likely needs to be updated anyway since it refers to 7.1003:23
cprofitthttps://forge.betavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/03:23
cprofittyeah Firefox is saying it is not trusted03:23
wmorrichrome likes the new link.03:23
cprofittthe certificate they are using is not signed by a known signe03:23
pleia2ah The certificate is not trusted because no issuer chain was provided.03:24
cprofittyep03:24
cprofittpleia2: does going to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ forward you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OldFront03:27
pleia2cprofitt: nope03:28
cprofittweird... it is doing that on both of my machines03:28
pleia2strange :\03:29
cprofittI do not get a message that I am forwarded... but the URL changes03:29
pleia2stays at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ which shows https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation03:29
cprofittcleared my cache and now it is ok03:32
pleia2:)03:33
cprofittthis one is interesting that knome is working on03:36
cprofitthttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/Banner03:36
pleia2heading out to dinner, bbiab03:38
cprofittok03:38
cprofittenjoy03:38
cprofittthis lookes to be a candidate for deletion04:08
cprofitthttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/InterWikiMap04:08
cprofitttagged it and we can discuss / review on the ML04:09
cprofittinteresting page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiCourseHandOut04:12
cprofittknome: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs04:16
cprofittknome pleia2 belkinsa - interesting pages04:42
cprofitthttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/EventStats/UserAgents04:42
cprofitthttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/EventStats/HitCounts04:42
cprofitthttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/EventStats/Languages04:42
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knomepleia2, cprofitt: i got to load the PageHits page. i have a local copy of that situation if you want it10:28
knomeslickymaster, hey!10:35
knomei'm looking at NewDocs...10:35
slickymasteryes10:35
knomesome of the information there doesn't seem to be directed to users browsing the contents, but the persons working on the NewDocs project10:36
knomei guess that's fine, but should we move them more towards the bottom of the page?10:36
knomeand maybe refresh the layout generally a bit10:36
slickymasteryes the layout can, and should be refreshed10:37
knomeand there's yet another link to a yet another list of "useful resources", which seem to be popping up at all times10:37
slickymasteryou mean the helpful links' link?10:38
knomeyep10:38
slickymasterwell, the idea behind that was the fact that originally the creator of NewDocs didn't want to mix non *buntu links with *buntu links10:39
slickymasterthat's why he created it, I guess10:39
knomei need to look at merging some of those lists10:39
knomeand ensure they are relatively fresh10:40
slickymasterit was a place where he could link something Linux related but not *buntu directly related10:40
knomefrom NewDocs and others as well10:40
slickymasterknome: I agree. in fact the maintenance of NewDocs is something that I've just started a while back10:41
slickymasterone thing I wanted you to see is the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ToBeReviewed page10:41
knomeaha10:43
knomethat's not a long one10:43
slickymasterwhat are we supose to do with the pages falling in there?10:44
slickymasterit's not long, right now, but I guess that in will tent to grow pretty quickly if the maintenance work on NewDocs finally gets into warp speed10:45
knome:)10:47
knomeupdated NewDocs a bit10:47
slickymasterbut you really touch an important issue when you spoke about its layout. As it is now it's not 100% functional when it concerns to users browsing the10:49
slickymasterforget what I just wrote10:50
slickymasteryou must have a sort of Midas touch ;)10:50
knomeHAH10:51
slickymasterfunctionality wise and aesthetically wise it's a giant improvement10:51
knomei guess there is one more thing that could be done for the letter pages10:52
knomeinclude the navivation at the bottom as well10:52
slickymasteryou mean include the NewDocs/Banner at the bottom of each letter page?10:52
knomeyep10:52
belkinsaThanks cprofitt, I will look at them after my finals today or tomorrow.10:53
belkinsaMorning all.10:53
knomehey belkinsa10:53
slickymasteryes, it's better than the return to the face page that presently exists10:53
slickymasterhey belkinsa10:53
knomeslickymaster, or scoll back up :)10:53
slickymasteryes, either that or a back to the top link10:53
knomeone extra click too10:54
slickymasterwell, IMO it would look better just a back to the top link, right aligned than the inclusion of the banner10:56
knomei don't know why people would want back at the top?10:57
knomei mean, given that they have the navigation10:57
slickymasterit's just a aesthetically issue, really10:58
knomelook at A10:59
slickymaster:) I'm convinced10:59
knomegood11:00
knomei'll go and edit those11:00
slickymasterand it does spare an extra click11:00
belkinsaSee you all later.11:01
knomebleh, surge protection11:03
slickymasterknome: ?! where?11:04
knomein the wiki.11:05
knomei'm loading too much pages.11:05
slickymaster:) easy does it11:07
knomethe alphabet pages are updated11:12
slickymasterknome: tks11:16
knomecprofitt: Signpost, ExternalGuides, Links should be merged11:18
slickymasteras a matter of consistency I'm also adding the banner at the bottom of the helpful links page, the AlterationsToNewDocs and ToBeReviwed pages11:18
slickymasterknome: ^^^11:18
knomesure, if you wish to11:19
knomeslickymaster, is there any reason to gather pages in ToBeReviewed instead of using categories and/or tags?13:59
knomeslickymaster, or is the page mostly used for "proposed" pages for NewDocs, and if yes, shouldn't that rather be handled in mailing lists?14:00
knomecprofitt, i'm afraid pages like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/link%20to%20Streamzap%20remote%20and%20VLC are never going to be "ready"15:20
knomecprofitt, what's with the translated pages?15:26
slickymasterknome: the point of ToBeReviewed is to have a place where pages that where tagged could be placed when removed from NewDocs15:43
slickymasterknome: but yes, it should be handled in the mailing lists15:44
slickymasterwere tagged ^^15:50
knomemhm15:59
slickymasterknome: about your mail regarding the merge of those 4 pages16:18
slickymasterwhat do you mean exactly?16:18
slickymastermaking just one page of the four and linked it from the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OtherResources page?16:19
knomeslickymaster, for example, yes16:20
knomeslickymaster, i don't see any reason to maintain 4 different pages16:20
slickymasterI see16:21
slickymasterI can do a draft of such a page and then ping to see what you think of it16:23
slickymasterknome: ping you ^^16:24
knomesounds good16:24
knomeand please email the list telling where you're drafting that so others can chime in and help16:24
knomei think the starting point could be listing all the links in the page16:24
knomethen start moving them in categories one by one16:25
slickymasterI'll also inform the rest of the NewDocs involved to see what they have to say16:25
knome(and possibly rethinking their names)16:25
slickymasterknome: when you say rethinking are you referring to the links' names?16:28
knomeyep16:28
slickymasterok16:29
knomemaybe the page count in the external guides isn't the most important thing16:29
knomefor example16:29
slickymasterthe ordered list, right?16:31
slickymasterknome: one thing though16:32
knomei don't think it matters what we use in the beginning16:33
knomeyep?16:33
slickymasterseeing the structure you have right now in the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OtherResources where would this new page fall under, as there are a huge variety of topics resulting from the merge of those 4 pages?16:34
slickymasterunder the more help rexources?16:34
knomei think we need to see how the categories look like before deciding on the structure16:34
slickymasterknome: but implies that every each of the links that are going to be merged must be correctly tagged, right16:35
slickymaster?16:35
knomebasically we also want to make the page as accessible for editors in the future16:35
knomecorrectly tagged in what way?16:35
slickymasterwith the propper category tag16:35
knomewell, in a way yest16:36
knomebut what i was thinking16:36
knomefirst, copy & paste all the pages as the content for the sandbox page16:36
slickymasteryeah16:36
knomeand then start working with those, so you can reuse the content easily16:36
knomeafter the categorising stuff is done we can look more closely how we want it formatted16:36
knomei don't think there's any sense to start formatting it before that, because it only makes editing harder16:37
slickymasterI see now what you mean16:37
knomeand because we can't know how many links there would be per category16:37
slickymasterI was going in a completely distinct direction16:37
knome(and if they are useful in this listing, or if they should rather be moved to pages that cover that exact subject)16:37
slickymasteryeah, basically is to have an alphabetic listing (of all the links of the four pages) in the sandbox, by category, am I assuming correctly?16:39
slickymasterknome: ^^16:39
knomeyep, the "by category" is the most important aspect at this point, i think16:40
slickymasterknome: OK. I'll do it and hopefully I'll have something for you at the weekend16:40
knomecheers16:41
cprofitthello all18:05
knomehey cprofitt18:05
knomegot to eat18:05
knomebbl18:05
cprofittknome: not sure on translated pages -- not if they should be there or not18:05
knomepleia2 thought we should keep them18:06
knomebut i'm off eating, bbiab18:06
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