cprofitt | pleia2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide needs the following: | 02:42 |
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cprofitt | content or links on tags and categories | 02:43 |
cprofitt | pleia2 I just edited it now... I marked a bunch I planned on getting to tonight | 03:01 |
pleia2 | cprofitt: ah, thanks! | 03:11 |
cprofitt | no problem | 03:13 |
cprofitt | I can't get that PageHits page to load... | 03:13 |
pleia2 | I can't either | 03:14 |
pleia2 | I tried a couple times earlier and kept getting timeouts :\ | 03:14 |
cprofitt | yep | 03:15 |
cprofitt | something to look in too | 03:15 |
cprofitt | eventually | 03:15 |
cprofitt | wonder if it is this - http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/PageHitsFails | 03:16 |
cprofitt | woot... the page finally loaded for me | 03:17 |
cprofitt | 3989 total pages | 03:17 |
pleia2 | wow | 03:18 |
cprofitt | yeah | 03:19 |
wmorri | hi, i just wanted to let people know that the vodaphone link on this page leads to a nicely made 404 page. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/Huawei | 03:19 |
pleia2 | heh, that's kind of a frightening link anyway :) | 03:20 |
pleia2 | "here, go download some .deb" | 03:20 |
wmorri | yes it is, and chrome doesn't seem to like it. | 03:21 |
pleia2 | there, I linked to the project page instead | 03:21 |
wmorri | great! thanks! | 03:22 |
cprofitt | hmm... which still comes up as untrusted | 03:22 |
pleia2 | https://forge.betavine.net ? | 03:22 |
pleia2 | chrome seems ok with it | 03:22 |
cprofitt | that page likely needs to be updated anyway since it refers to 7.10 | 03:23 |
cprofitt | https://forge.betavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/ | 03:23 |
cprofitt | yeah Firefox is saying it is not trusted | 03:23 |
wmorri | chrome likes the new link. | 03:23 |
cprofitt | the certificate they are using is not signed by a known signe | 03:23 |
pleia2 | ah The certificate is not trusted because no issuer chain was provided. | 03:24 |
cprofitt | yep | 03:24 |
cprofitt | pleia2: does going to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ forward you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OldFront | 03:27 |
pleia2 | cprofitt: nope | 03:28 |
cprofitt | weird... it is doing that on both of my machines | 03:28 |
pleia2 | strange :\ | 03:29 |
cprofitt | I do not get a message that I am forwarded... but the URL changes | 03:29 |
pleia2 | stays at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ which shows https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation | 03:29 |
cprofitt | cleared my cache and now it is ok | 03:32 |
pleia2 | :) | 03:33 |
cprofitt | this one is interesting that knome is working on | 03:36 |
cprofitt | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/Banner | 03:36 |
pleia2 | heading out to dinner, bbiab | 03:38 |
cprofitt | ok | 03:38 |
cprofitt | enjoy | 03:38 |
cprofitt | this lookes to be a candidate for deletion | 04:08 |
cprofitt | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InterWikiMap | 04:08 |
cprofitt | tagged it and we can discuss / review on the ML | 04:09 |
cprofitt | interesting page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiCourseHandOut | 04:12 |
cprofitt | knome: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs | 04:16 |
cprofitt | knome pleia2 belkinsa - interesting pages | 04:42 |
cprofitt | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EventStats/UserAgents | 04:42 |
cprofitt | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EventStats/HitCounts | 04:42 |
cprofitt | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EventStats/Languages | 04:42 |
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knome | pleia2, cprofitt: i got to load the PageHits page. i have a local copy of that situation if you want it | 10:28 |
knome | slickymaster, hey! | 10:35 |
knome | i'm looking at NewDocs... | 10:35 |
slickymaster | yes | 10:35 |
knome | some of the information there doesn't seem to be directed to users browsing the contents, but the persons working on the NewDocs project | 10:36 |
knome | i guess that's fine, but should we move them more towards the bottom of the page? | 10:36 |
knome | and maybe refresh the layout generally a bit | 10:36 |
slickymaster | yes the layout can, and should be refreshed | 10:37 |
knome | and there's yet another link to a yet another list of "useful resources", which seem to be popping up at all times | 10:37 |
slickymaster | you mean the helpful links' link? | 10:38 |
knome | yep | 10:38 |
slickymaster | well, the idea behind that was the fact that originally the creator of NewDocs didn't want to mix non *buntu links with *buntu links | 10:39 |
slickymaster | that's why he created it, I guess | 10:39 |
knome | i need to look at merging some of those lists | 10:39 |
knome | and ensure they are relatively fresh | 10:40 |
slickymaster | it was a place where he could link something Linux related but not *buntu directly related | 10:40 |
knome | from NewDocs and others as well | 10:40 |
slickymaster | knome: I agree. in fact the maintenance of NewDocs is something that I've just started a while back | 10:41 |
slickymaster | one thing I wanted you to see is the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ToBeReviewed page | 10:41 |
knome | aha | 10:43 |
knome | that's not a long one | 10:43 |
slickymaster | what are we supose to do with the pages falling in there? | 10:44 |
slickymaster | it's not long, right now, but I guess that in will tent to grow pretty quickly if the maintenance work on NewDocs finally gets into warp speed | 10:45 |
knome | :) | 10:47 |
knome | updated NewDocs a bit | 10:47 |
slickymaster | but you really touch an important issue when you spoke about its layout. As it is now it's not 100% functional when it concerns to users browsing the | 10:49 |
slickymaster | forget what I just wrote | 10:50 |
slickymaster | you must have a sort of Midas touch ;) | 10:50 |
knome | HAH | 10:51 |
slickymaster | functionality wise and aesthetically wise it's a giant improvement | 10:51 |
knome | i guess there is one more thing that could be done for the letter pages | 10:52 |
knome | include the navivation at the bottom as well | 10:52 |
slickymaster | you mean include the NewDocs/Banner at the bottom of each letter page? | 10:52 |
knome | yep | 10:52 |
belkinsa | Thanks cprofitt, I will look at them after my finals today or tomorrow. | 10:53 |
belkinsa | Morning all. | 10:53 |
knome | hey belkinsa | 10:53 |
slickymaster | yes, it's better than the return to the face page that presently exists | 10:53 |
slickymaster | hey belkinsa | 10:53 |
knome | slickymaster, or scoll back up :) | 10:53 |
slickymaster | yes, either that or a back to the top link | 10:53 |
knome | one extra click too | 10:54 |
slickymaster | well, IMO it would look better just a back to the top link, right aligned than the inclusion of the banner | 10:56 |
knome | i don't know why people would want back at the top? | 10:57 |
knome | i mean, given that they have the navigation | 10:57 |
slickymaster | it's just a aesthetically issue, really | 10:58 |
knome | look at A | 10:59 |
slickymaster | :) I'm convinced | 10:59 |
knome | good | 11:00 |
knome | i'll go and edit those | 11:00 |
slickymaster | and it does spare an extra click | 11:00 |
belkinsa | See you all later. | 11:01 |
knome | bleh, surge protection | 11:03 |
slickymaster | knome: ?! where? | 11:04 |
knome | in the wiki. | 11:05 |
knome | i'm loading too much pages. | 11:05 |
slickymaster | :) easy does it | 11:07 |
knome | the alphabet pages are updated | 11:12 |
slickymaster | knome: tks | 11:16 |
knome | cprofitt: Signpost, ExternalGuides, Links should be merged | 11:18 |
slickymaster | as a matter of consistency I'm also adding the banner at the bottom of the helpful links page, the AlterationsToNewDocs and ToBeReviwed pages | 11:18 |
slickymaster | knome: ^^^ | 11:18 |
knome | sure, if you wish to | 11:19 |
knome | slickymaster, is there any reason to gather pages in ToBeReviewed instead of using categories and/or tags? | 13:59 |
knome | slickymaster, or is the page mostly used for "proposed" pages for NewDocs, and if yes, shouldn't that rather be handled in mailing lists? | 14:00 |
knome | cprofitt, i'm afraid pages like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/link%20to%20Streamzap%20remote%20and%20VLC are never going to be "ready" | 15:20 |
knome | cprofitt, what's with the translated pages? | 15:26 |
slickymaster | knome: the point of ToBeReviewed is to have a place where pages that where tagged could be placed when removed from NewDocs | 15:43 |
slickymaster | knome: but yes, it should be handled in the mailing lists | 15:44 |
slickymaster | were tagged ^^ | 15:50 |
knome | mhm | 15:59 |
slickymaster | knome: about your mail regarding the merge of those 4 pages | 16:18 |
slickymaster | what do you mean exactly? | 16:18 |
slickymaster | making just one page of the four and linked it from the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OtherResources page? | 16:19 |
knome | slickymaster, for example, yes | 16:20 |
knome | slickymaster, i don't see any reason to maintain 4 different pages | 16:20 |
slickymaster | I see | 16:21 |
slickymaster | I can do a draft of such a page and then ping to see what you think of it | 16:23 |
slickymaster | knome: ping you ^^ | 16:24 |
knome | sounds good | 16:24 |
knome | and please email the list telling where you're drafting that so others can chime in and help | 16:24 |
knome | i think the starting point could be listing all the links in the page | 16:24 |
knome | then start moving them in categories one by one | 16:25 |
slickymaster | I'll also inform the rest of the NewDocs involved to see what they have to say | 16:25 |
knome | (and possibly rethinking their names) | 16:25 |
slickymaster | knome: when you say rethinking are you referring to the links' names? | 16:28 |
knome | yep | 16:28 |
slickymaster | ok | 16:29 |
knome | maybe the page count in the external guides isn't the most important thing | 16:29 |
knome | for example | 16:29 |
slickymaster | the ordered list, right? | 16:31 |
slickymaster | knome: one thing though | 16:32 |
knome | i don't think it matters what we use in the beginning | 16:33 |
knome | yep? | 16:33 |
slickymaster | seeing the structure you have right now in the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OtherResources where would this new page fall under, as there are a huge variety of topics resulting from the merge of those 4 pages? | 16:34 |
slickymaster | under the more help rexources? | 16:34 |
knome | i think we need to see how the categories look like before deciding on the structure | 16:34 |
slickymaster | knome: but implies that every each of the links that are going to be merged must be correctly tagged, right | 16:35 |
slickymaster | ? | 16:35 |
knome | basically we also want to make the page as accessible for editors in the future | 16:35 |
knome | correctly tagged in what way? | 16:35 |
slickymaster | with the propper category tag | 16:35 |
knome | well, in a way yest | 16:36 |
knome | but what i was thinking | 16:36 |
knome | first, copy & paste all the pages as the content for the sandbox page | 16:36 |
slickymaster | yeah | 16:36 |
knome | and then start working with those, so you can reuse the content easily | 16:36 |
knome | after the categorising stuff is done we can look more closely how we want it formatted | 16:36 |
knome | i don't think there's any sense to start formatting it before that, because it only makes editing harder | 16:37 |
slickymaster | I see now what you mean | 16:37 |
knome | and because we can't know how many links there would be per category | 16:37 |
slickymaster | I was going in a completely distinct direction | 16:37 |
knome | (and if they are useful in this listing, or if they should rather be moved to pages that cover that exact subject) | 16:37 |
slickymaster | yeah, basically is to have an alphabetic listing (of all the links of the four pages) in the sandbox, by category, am I assuming correctly? | 16:39 |
slickymaster | knome: ^^ | 16:39 |
knome | yep, the "by category" is the most important aspect at this point, i think | 16:40 |
slickymaster | knome: OK. I'll do it and hopefully I'll have something for you at the weekend | 16:40 |
knome | cheers | 16:41 |
cprofitt | hello all | 18:05 |
knome | hey cprofitt | 18:05 |
knome | got to eat | 18:05 |
knome | bbl | 18:05 |
cprofitt | knome: not sure on translated pages -- not if they should be there or not | 18:05 |
knome | pleia2 thought we should keep them | 18:06 |
knome | but i'm off eating, bbiab | 18:06 |
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