[02:42] pleia2: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide needs the following: [02:43] content or links on tags and categories [03:01] pleia2 I just edited it now... I marked a bunch I planned on getting to tonight [03:11] cprofitt: ah, thanks! [03:13] no problem [03:13] I can't get that PageHits page to load... [03:14] I can't either [03:14] I tried a couple times earlier and kept getting timeouts :\ [03:15] yep [03:15] something to look in too [03:15] eventually [03:16] wonder if it is this - http://moinmo.in/MoinMoinBugs/PageHitsFails [03:17] woot... the page finally loaded for me [03:17] 3989 total pages [03:18] wow [03:19] yeah [03:19] hi, i just wanted to let people know that the vodaphone link on this page leads to a nicely made 404 page. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto/Huawei [03:20] heh, that's kind of a frightening link anyway :) [03:20] "here, go download some .deb" [03:21] yes it is, and chrome doesn't seem to like it. [03:21] there, I linked to the project page instead [03:22] great! thanks! [03:22] hmm... which still comes up as untrusted [03:22] https://forge.betavine.net ? [03:22] chrome seems ok with it [03:23] that page likely needs to be updated anyway since it refers to 7.10 [03:23] https://forge.betavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/ [03:23] yeah Firefox is saying it is not trusted [03:23] chrome likes the new link. [03:23] the certificate they are using is not signed by a known signe [03:24] ah The certificate is not trusted because no issuer chain was provided. [03:24] yep [03:27] pleia2: does going to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ forward you to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OldFront [03:28] cprofitt: nope [03:28] weird... it is doing that on both of my machines [03:29] strange :\ [03:29] I do not get a message that I am forwarded... but the URL changes [03:29] stays at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ which shows https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UserDocumentation [03:32] cleared my cache and now it is ok [03:33] :) [03:36] this one is interesting that knome is working on [03:36] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs/Banner [03:38] heading out to dinner, bbiab [03:38] ok [03:38] enjoy [04:08] this lookes to be a candidate for deletion [04:08] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InterWikiMap [04:09] tagged it and we can discuss / review on the ML [04:12] interesting page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiCourseHandOut [04:16] knome: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs [04:42] knome pleia2 belkinsa - interesting pages [04:42] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EventStats/UserAgents [04:42] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EventStats/HitCounts [04:42] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EventStats/Languages === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia === Tribaal_ is now known as Tribaal [10:28] pleia2, cprofitt: i got to load the PageHits page. i have a local copy of that situation if you want it [10:35] slickymaster, hey! [10:35] i'm looking at NewDocs... [10:35] yes [10:36] some of the information there doesn't seem to be directed to users browsing the contents, but the persons working on the NewDocs project [10:36] i guess that's fine, but should we move them more towards the bottom of the page? [10:36] and maybe refresh the layout generally a bit [10:37] yes the layout can, and should be refreshed [10:37] and there's yet another link to a yet another list of "useful resources", which seem to be popping up at all times [10:38] you mean the helpful links' link? [10:38] yep [10:39] well, the idea behind that was the fact that originally the creator of NewDocs didn't want to mix non *buntu links with *buntu links [10:39] that's why he created it, I guess [10:39] i need to look at merging some of those lists [10:40] and ensure they are relatively fresh [10:40] it was a place where he could link something Linux related but not *buntu directly related [10:40] from NewDocs and others as well [10:41] knome: I agree. in fact the maintenance of NewDocs is something that I've just started a while back [10:41] one thing I wanted you to see is the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ToBeReviewed page [10:43] aha [10:43] that's not a long one [10:44] what are we supose to do with the pages falling in there? [10:45] it's not long, right now, but I guess that in will tent to grow pretty quickly if the maintenance work on NewDocs finally gets into warp speed [10:47] :) [10:47] updated NewDocs a bit [10:49] but you really touch an important issue when you spoke about its layout. As it is now it's not 100% functional when it concerns to users browsing the [10:50] forget what I just wrote [10:50] you must have a sort of Midas touch ;) [10:51] HAH [10:51] functionality wise and aesthetically wise it's a giant improvement [10:52] i guess there is one more thing that could be done for the letter pages [10:52] include the navivation at the bottom as well [10:52] you mean include the NewDocs/Banner at the bottom of each letter page? [10:52] yep [10:53] Thanks cprofitt, I will look at them after my finals today or tomorrow. [10:53] Morning all. [10:53] hey belkinsa [10:53] yes, it's better than the return to the face page that presently exists [10:53] hey belkinsa [10:53] slickymaster, or scoll back up :) [10:53] yes, either that or a back to the top link [10:54] one extra click too [10:56] well, IMO it would look better just a back to the top link, right aligned than the inclusion of the banner [10:57] i don't know why people would want back at the top? [10:57] i mean, given that they have the navigation [10:58] it's just a aesthetically issue, really [10:59] look at A [10:59] :) I'm convinced [11:00] good [11:00] i'll go and edit those [11:00] and it does spare an extra click [11:01] See you all later. [11:03] bleh, surge protection [11:04] knome: ?! where? [11:05] in the wiki. [11:05] i'm loading too much pages. [11:07] :) easy does it [11:12] the alphabet pages are updated [11:16] knome: tks [11:18] cprofitt: Signpost, ExternalGuides, Links should be merged [11:18] as a matter of consistency I'm also adding the banner at the bottom of the helpful links page, the AlterationsToNewDocs and ToBeReviwed pages [11:18] knome: ^^^ [11:19] sure, if you wish to [13:59] slickymaster, is there any reason to gather pages in ToBeReviewed instead of using categories and/or tags? [14:00] slickymaster, or is the page mostly used for "proposed" pages for NewDocs, and if yes, shouldn't that rather be handled in mailing lists? [15:20] cprofitt, i'm afraid pages like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/link%20to%20Streamzap%20remote%20and%20VLC are never going to be "ready" [15:26] cprofitt, what's with the translated pages? [15:43] knome: the point of ToBeReviewed is to have a place where pages that where tagged could be placed when removed from NewDocs [15:44] knome: but yes, it should be handled in the mailing lists [15:50] were tagged ^^ [15:59] mhm [16:18] knome: about your mail regarding the merge of those 4 pages [16:18] what do you mean exactly? [16:19] making just one page of the four and linked it from the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OtherResources page? [16:20] slickymaster, for example, yes [16:20] slickymaster, i don't see any reason to maintain 4 different pages [16:21] I see [16:23] I can do a draft of such a page and then ping to see what you think of it [16:24] knome: ping you ^^ [16:24] sounds good [16:24] and please email the list telling where you're drafting that so others can chime in and help [16:24] i think the starting point could be listing all the links in the page [16:25] then start moving them in categories one by one [16:25] I'll also inform the rest of the NewDocs involved to see what they have to say [16:25] (and possibly rethinking their names) [16:28] knome: when you say rethinking are you referring to the links' names? [16:28] yep [16:29] ok [16:29] maybe the page count in the external guides isn't the most important thing [16:29] for example [16:31] the ordered list, right? [16:32] knome: one thing though [16:33] i don't think it matters what we use in the beginning [16:33] yep? [16:34] seeing the structure you have right now in the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OtherResources where would this new page fall under, as there are a huge variety of topics resulting from the merge of those 4 pages? [16:34] under the more help rexources? [16:34] i think we need to see how the categories look like before deciding on the structure [16:35] knome: but implies that every each of the links that are going to be merged must be correctly tagged, right [16:35] ? [16:35] basically we also want to make the page as accessible for editors in the future [16:35] correctly tagged in what way? [16:35] with the propper category tag [16:36] well, in a way yest [16:36] but what i was thinking [16:36] first, copy & paste all the pages as the content for the sandbox page [16:36] yeah [16:36] and then start working with those, so you can reuse the content easily [16:36] after the categorising stuff is done we can look more closely how we want it formatted [16:37] i don't think there's any sense to start formatting it before that, because it only makes editing harder [16:37] I see now what you mean [16:37] and because we can't know how many links there would be per category [16:37] I was going in a completely distinct direction [16:37] (and if they are useful in this listing, or if they should rather be moved to pages that cover that exact subject) [16:39] yeah, basically is to have an alphabetic listing (of all the links of the four pages) in the sandbox, by category, am I assuming correctly? [16:39] knome: ^^ [16:40] yep, the "by category" is the most important aspect at this point, i think [16:40] knome: OK. I'll do it and hopefully I'll have something for you at the weekend [16:41] cheers [18:05] hello all [18:05] hey cprofitt [18:05] got to eat [18:05] bbl [18:05] knome: not sure on translated pages -- not if they should be there or not [18:06] pleia2 thought we should keep them [18:06] but i'm off eating, bbiab === mhall119 is now known as mhall119|afk === mhall119|afk is now known as mhall119