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azzidhi!06:04
azzidneed help with my ath wifi card, it is not being detected on 13.04, here's some data http://pastebin.com/eU49VCFD06:04
MooDoomorning all07:04
MartijnVdSMooDoo: morning!07:42
MooDoohow are you MartijnVdS ?07:43
MartijnVdSa bit annoyed, my VPS was rebooted without notification 4 hours ago07:43
MooDooMartijnVdS: host issue or vps?07:44
MartijnVdSMooDoo: I'm guessing it's Bytemark/BigV, but there's nothing on their "Outages" forum07:44
MooDoo:(07:44
MartijnVdSoh well, if it's up now07:47
mappshey07:51
MooDoohello mapps07:53
mappsmorning MooDoo  :)07:53
mappsearly eh07:53
MooDoomapps: yup, been at work almost an hour already07:53
mappsaha07:54
mappsearly07:54
mapps6am start?07:54
mappsah no 7am07:54
mappssorry i didnt know the time07:54
mapps:D07:54
MooDoohehe yeah 7, means I finish at 3:30 :D07:54
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mappsyes07:55
mappsearly07:55
mappswhats your job?07:55
MooDoosupport team leader for an ISP....07:56
MooDooyou?07:56
mappsi work for a big bookmaker..the biggest probably07:56
mappsin the trading dept07:56
MooDoocool :D07:56
mappsi have no interest in working in thwir support/dev/tech teams07:57
mappsits all windows based07:57
mapps*snore*07:57
mappsiis...asp..etc07:57
mappsyawn07:57
MooDoolol :) just doing my certification in windows 2012 :)07:57
mappsurgh07:57
MooDoohehe07:57
mappsbecause work make u?:D07:57
diddledanwindows FTWTF07:57
MooDoolol no by choice...07:57
mappsoh07:58
mappsyou a windows guy?:(07:58
mappsFTW - tf?07:58
mappswhats tf07:58
diddledanWTF07:58
MooDoomapps: both really, doing windows certification is good for my career progression07:58
mappsoh07:59
mappsoops diddledan07:59
mappslol07:59
mappsis this a big isp or small local?07:59
MooDoobig07:59
MooDooimo :)07:59
mappsnice07:59
popeyhmm http://paste.ubuntu.com/6544714/ through http://paste.ubuntu.com/6544725/ are pastebins of smartctl -a on each disk in my server. Some of them don't look well.08:18
MartijnVdSpopey: did you do a smartctl -t long first?08:19
popeyno08:19
MartijnVdSpopey: that might help determine if there's a problem08:19
MartijnVdS(and the seriousness of it)08:20
popeyi have a feeling it may be the controller or enclosure08:21
popeygiven multiple drives failing in the same way08:21
MartijnVdScould it be the PSU not being able to cope with that many disks at once?08:22
popeyit has 8 bays, it should08:22
MartijnVdSpopey: can't hurt to measure the 12V/5V voltages though :)08:22
popeywell, test started, will take until lhtime08:22
dwatkinsJust be careful measuring voltages that you don't slip and ruin an expensive piece of kit, like I did the other day...08:24
MartijnVdSdwatkins: ah yes, important08:25
popeyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6544696/ is why I'm checking them08:30
popeyall the errors are on ata1 which is the bottom half of the array08:30
MartijnVdSpopey: { Once you get errors like this }08:30
MartijnVdSpopey: { Start Making Backups }08:31
popeyit is my backups08:31
popeymight take the whole array apart and see if there's any loose / dodgy connections08:32
knightwisemornin all08:32
MooDoomorning kni`08:32
MooDoodarn wrong keys08:32
MartijnVdSMooDoo: `echo morning knightwise` ? :)08:32
MooDoothat's the one ;)08:33
knightwisehaha08:33
MooDoo10 print Morning knightwise 20 goto 10 :)08:34
knightwiseooooooh :)08:34
knightwisemoody are we ?08:34
MooDooknightwise: not at all, crappy attempt at humour :D08:34
MartijnVdSknightwise: nah, he's moo doo08:34
knightwise:)08:34
MartijnVdSIk ben webdesigner en zit met een probleem. Ik heb een heel vervelend ex-vriendje die regelmatig in het hackerscircuit te vinden is. Hij vindt het de laatste paar maanden leuk om elke dag mijn domein of IP-adres op allerlei blacklists te zetten, waardoor ik geen van mijn klanten kan mailen. Ik kan dat wel oplossen maar dan moet ik elke dag weer met die zwartelijstbeheerders overleggen, maar het kost me behoorlijk veel klanten en veel frustratie08:35
MartijnVdSDit is een hele moeilijke. Juridisch zou er wel wat aan te doen zijn: dit riekt voor mij naar stalking – structureel iemand lastigvallen. Ook kun je het gooien op een oneerlijke handelspraktijk, of gewoon op de maatschappelijke zorgvuldigheid – dit moet niet mogen, dus mag het niet. Het grote punt zal zijn dat er bewijs moet komen dat hij het is. En hoewel het voor de hand ligt, is er echt meer nodig dan “wie behalve hij zou dat doen”. 08:35
MartijnVdSSorry, that was me mis-using a mouse08:35
MartijnVdShttp://blog.iusmentis.com/2013/12/09/wat-doe-je-tegen-een-zwartelijstmanipulerende-stalker/ for the interested :)08:35
MooDoook wheres the google translate option08:35
MartijnVdSMooDoo: it's part of chrome08:36
MooDooMartijnVdS: is it?08:36
MartijnVdSMooDoo: my Chrome offers to translate when I go to a site in an unknown (to me) language08:37
MooDooMartijnVdS: yeah mines not working for some reason08:37
Azelphurwell, the mic sensor in my edimax ip camera is just a little sensitive...I put it by the front door so I could hear the postie arriving. It can hear me typing on the other side of the apartment, through a closed door.08:37
Myrttidoes anyone know a good IRCnet server that's reachable from UK?08:38
diddledansurely they're all reachable from the uk?08:40
MartijnVdSdiddledan: nah, lots of ircnet ops only allow connections from their own country, because of ddos risk08:40
mappsMooDoo,  uk isp?08:40
MartijnVdSsomehow ircnet is a ddos magnet08:40
dwatkinsdiddledan: I assume Myrtti  means http://www.ircnet.org/08:40
DJonesMyrtti: Don't know if this helps, old information but may still be working, under the 21st March posting http://www.ircnet.org/news.html08:41
MyrttiI'm using atwinternet one right now but it's cycling all the time08:41
MartijnVdSDJones: the hostname resolves..08:41
MartijnVdSon v4 and v608:41
diploMorning all08:59
knightwisehey diplo09:06
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:31
MooDoomorning09:32
knightwisehey bigcalm09:33
knightwisehmm.. need to figure out what is wrong with my Doggcatcher installation on Android. Doesn't seem to want to auto download any shows09:33
* knightwise gets annoyed when technology fails him09:33
MartijnVdSknightwise: I've switched to Podkicker Prop09:33
MartijnVdSknightwise: s/p$//09:34
* Myrtti looks at her DoggCatcher09:34
Myrttimine works disgustingly well09:35
knightwisepodkicker ?09:35
MartijnVdSknightwise: pro09:35
MyrttiI can't wait for AntennaPod to mature a bit more though09:35
MyrttiI'll switch over screaming when it is a bit more ready09:35
knightwiseI'll give it a try09:35
knightwiseThere is of course always Gpodder and Botsync09:36
knightwisebut thats a bit too manual for my taste09:36
SuperMattmorning peeps09:36
Myrttiknightwise: antennapod syncs with gpodder.net09:36
Myrttibut as I said, it needs to mature a bit more09:36
MooDoomorning SuperMatt09:40
SuperMattstill no news :(09:40
DJonesAnybody with an N7 (2013) model able to recommend a case with bluetooth keyboard where the case isn't too bulky with the keyboard in it and the keyboard can be removed, I'm looking for one that will be fairly light & not too awkward to hold for somebody who has severe arthritus in the hands/wrists09:41
DJonesCurrently looking at this http://www.amazon.co.uk/GreatShield-Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Function/dp/B00ENKTFEK/ref=sr_1_37?ie=UTF8&qid=1386581569&sr=8-37&keywords=nexus+7+2013+case+keyboard but not sure about how easy it is to removbe the keyboard to make it lighter to hold just for reading09:43
MyrttiDJones: any specific reason why it has to be a case + keyboard?09:47
DJonesMyrtti: Preferably so that they can be kept together without having to carry two things around, its for my mother in law who's in a wheelchair or uses a walking frame, so carrying multiple things can be difficult, specially as one hand will almost always have a cup of tea in it09:49
foobarryaskubunt.com down :(09:52
popeyworks for me09:52
Laneyyou might want to spell it right09:52
Laneyit works09:52
Laney:P09:52
popeybut then I used the right url09:52
foobarryworks now :P09:52
foobarryunrelted to typos09:52
MyrttiDJones: there's a few aluminium ones where the keyboard and tablet are totally separate but the keyboard acts as a case for the tablet09:55
DJonesMyrtti: Thanks, I'll have a look for those09:55
Myrttitempted to get one myself but they've got american layouts09:55
Myrttihttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Aluminum-Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Google/dp/B00AE3T5F4/09:55
Myrttihttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Google-Tablet/dp/B009SL3WS409:55
Myrttimind you I don't have a 2013 nexus or a keyboard, but those do look nice09:56
foobarrythat moment when you're using unity and hit super+1,2,3,4,5,6 instead of alt-1,2,3,4,5,6 to quickly flick through irssi chans09:56
MooDooirssi o/09:56
popey\o/ irssi09:57
foobarrybombarded with pidgin, picasa, chrome,...agh09:57
MyrttiDJones: you know, I might actually buy one for D as a christmas present.09:57
foobarrylock-picking kits are plentiful on amazon :-|09:58
DJonesMyrtti: They look good, but I don't think they'd work, because her hand problems, she can be prone to drop things, and with it not being an 'all surrounding' case, I think the two pieces could come apart in the fall to the ground09:59
foobarryalso: "A set of 6 Fire brigade master keys as used for communal doors, entrances, barriers, padlocks, utility cupboards etc Commonly known as FB Keys. Fire Brigade keys are used on access points where the Fire Brigade may need to gain access in an emergenc"09:59
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:08
SuperMattmorning brobostigon10:08
brobostigonmorning SuperMatt10:09
MooDooSuperMatt: had your phone call yet?10:13
SuperMattnooooooo :(10:13
DJonesMyrtti: Eventually gave up & got one with a seperate case & seperate keyboard that looks to velcro on if you want use as a mini laptop, decided that convinience would make up for carrying two things10:17
SuperMattheh, I'm doing what I did at my last place: new person joins, I hand in my notice that day10:17
SuperMattlast time though, the new person was my new manager10:17
SuperMattfirst thing I said was "Hi, I'm Matthew, uhm, here's my notice, sorry."10:17
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: "It's not you, it's me"10:18
SuperMattturned out she was a bad manager so I would have quit anyway10:18
MooDooSuperMatt: you handing in your notice?10:19
SuperMattnot yet I'm not10:20
DJonesSomebody remind me about 7pm tonight, put spare medication in pocket in case I forget to take them in the morning10:20
MooDooSuperMatt: was going to say lol10:20
MartijnVdSDJones: add it to your google calendar? :)10:26
MartijnVdSDJones: rememberthemilk?10:26
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brobostigonastrid?10:29
foobarryrememberthepills10:29
popeywifey has an app on her iphone which reminds her to take pills10:30
MartijnVdSpopey: that sounds very useful!10:30
MartijnVdS(I don't have to take any, but I'd certainly use an app like that if I had to)10:31
TheOpenSourcererMorning all.10:32
MooDoomorning TheOpenSourcerer10:32
* TheOpenSourcerer is rather tired after an extended weekend of fun and frivolity10:33
popey:D10:33
* popey is updating his desktop to trusty10:33
MartijnVdS\o/ trusty10:33
MartijnVdSany problems so far?10:33
TheOpenSourcererI won our golf society on Friday :-) Have won it the most times in the group.10:33
MartijnVdS<- considering upgrading10:33
bigcalmMartijnVdS: there should be no problems at all, otherwise the name is false advertising10:34
TheOpenSourcererHad a great lunch on Saturday at The Grosvenor House Hotel - private dining ;-) Oooodles of champagne and Chateaux Neuf10:34
bigcalmTheOpenSourcerer: has your SGS3 got the new update yet? I'm still waiting10:34
TheOpenSourcererHad family over for Sunday lunch yesterday.10:35
MooDoonice10:35
TheOpenSourcererbigcalm: Yes - I got it this morning.10:35
bigcalmYay10:35
TheOpenSourcererIt's installed - not really used it yet10:35
MooDoowe put our christmas tree up yesterday, I took a pic and uploaded it to g+ i love their auto-awesome feature10:35
MartijnVdSMooDoo: it's all sparkly!10:35
MooDooMartijnVdS: i know, cool eh :)10:36
* bigcalm puts his phone down10:36
TheOpenSourcererWe bought our tree yesterday too. It's up but not decorated yet. Had the fun of trying to get a string of lights that worked... Failed so will be getting some new ones today10:36
* Laney will go out at lunch to get one10:37
Laneyfirst christmas tree, feeling grown up10:37
TheOpenSourcererAhh10:37
MartijnVdS10 lights$ = "on"10:37
MartijnVdS20 print lights$10:37
Laneyneed to get decorations too10:37
knightwiseWe have some nice Dr Who ornaments in our tree,10:39
MooDooknightwise: we have lots of penguins :D10:40
popeywe bought two new sets of lights then came home and found the broken ones actually worked10:42
popeyso we have way more lights up this year than normal10:42
TheOpenSourcererha10:42
MartijnVdSpopey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvwd13F_1Gs ?10:42
TheOpenSourcererAnyone used http://www.vagrantup.com/ before?10:43
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: we use it at work10:45
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: it + chef = Wonder of the Modern World10:45
TheOpenSourcererlol10:45
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: what do you want to know? :)10:45
TheOpenSourcererNot much - just if anyone had used it and didn't think it was rubbish ;-)10:46
popey10:46
TheOpenSourcererI was reading this MartijnVdS http://castlefranksystems.com/2013/12/05/instant-openerp-using-vagrant/10:46
MartijnVdSwell, the part where it requires virtualbox can be a bit annoying (virtualbox + suspend is a bit meh)10:47
MartijnVdSyou CAN configure it to use kvm/libvirt though10:47
diploMentioned Vagrant a few times in LXF recently10:47
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JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Anti-Corruption Day! :-D11:11
directhexthat seems one-sided11:13
directhexi will represent the pro-corruption side.11:13
dogmatic69What bribes were paid to have this day made into anti-corruption day?11:14
MooDoodogmatic69: pay me a fiver and i'll tell you11:19
DJonesMooDoo: Thats not being bribed, thats just payment for services rendered11:22
MooDooDJones: rats...11:23
DJonesTo me bribery is more pay me this or I'll tell the world your guilty secret11:23
MooDooDJones: give me a fiver or i'll tell everyone your exploits with chickens, marmite and your almost fanatical dedication to the pope ;)11:25
MartijnVdSor "Here's some money, put me in the front of the queue"11:25
MartijnVdSMooDoo: Poor Alan 8-)11:25
MooDoolol11:25
DJonesMooDoo: Thats nasty, I'm glad you've got me mixed up with somebody else because marmite is vile11:26
dutchiehmm11:26
MooDooDJones: yup.....bovril ftw!11:26
dutchiea 644 file in a 750 directory should be readable right?11:26
popey\o/ marmite11:26
DJonesMooDoo: Vegemite ++++11:26
MartijnVdSdutchie: if you're the owner or in the group, yes11:26
dutchiethe process i want isn't :(11:27
MartijnVdSdutchie: if you're "other" the directory needs o+x (751)11:27
dutchieeven if i know the path already?11:27
MartijnVdSdutchie: yeah, +x won't allow directory listing, but it will allow traversing11:27
MartijnVdSdutchie: see chmod manpage11:27
dutchieah yes11:27
diplowhat twitter client do you guys use on your machines ?11:36
diploGot Birdie but not really liking it11:36
foobarrychrome11:37
SuperMattI just use the websie11:38
SuperMatt+t11:38
diploI've debated that, just do a lot of web dev so I constantly switch.. see if i can get it to size into a screen better11:39
SuperMattthe website is the only client that manages to stay up to date with the api changes :P11:39
SuperMattdiplo: I always have a persosnal profile in my browser, and a dev profile, so I can have one browser windows which is me, and one which can be logged in and out 100millionty times and I don't care11:40
diploKeep debating doing that, I may find the time later to actually do it! :)11:40
davmor2Morning all11:44
directhexhotot11:48
popeyi use tweetdeck11:51
popeytweetdeck.twitter.com specifically in a browser tab. all twitter clients suck in some way or another11:51
TheOpenSourcererhotot FTW!11:51
diploHotot just won't load for me11:52
TheOpenSourcererdiplo: It doesn't start?11:52
diplohah. tried it I don't know how many times and what ever I tried I failed11:53
diploTry first time today and it works11:53
diploAt the stage of getting API key/PIN11:53
diploJust sit there for ages, no logs/errors11:53
dutchie+1 tweetdeck11:53
TheOpenSourcererI've been on hotot for a good while now since ~12.04 at least.11:53
diploI used tweetdeck years ago, will also try that11:53
diplota11:53
DJonesdiplo: polly on UBuntu and a web browser on windows11:53
TheOpenSourcererIt did break a bit when Twitter changed their API a few months back11:54
TheOpenSourcererBut was fixed fairly sharpish.11:54
diploCould be the last time I tried a client11:54
diploDid try upgrading etc, nowt :/11:54
SuperMattok, so vagrant is much like juju, but for virtualbox11:58
SuperMattit'd be interesting if juju could do virtualbox stuff11:59
SuperMattat least for testing11:59
diploAren't they working on LXC support ?11:59
SuperMattlxc support is there11:59
SuperMattbut some people might like it as a feature12:00
SuperMattfor reasons12:00
diploI'd realyl like some hardware to test with, all the stuff I use currently is mine :/12:00
diploMy work sucks!12:00
diploreally*12:00
SuperMatthopefully if I get this job, I won't have to worry about anything like that any more \o/12:00
SuperMattstill waiting on the call D:12:01
diploGood luck!12:01
SuperMattthanks12:01
SuperMattI'm just not looking forward to turning to my boss and letting him know the news12:02
MooDooSuperMatt: lets hope he doesn't read irc or it's logs :p12:02
SuperMattno, he doesn't12:03
popeyMartijnVdS: how do you view the results of the -t long ?12:07
TheOpenSourcererBit of lunchtime reading: http://opensource.com/life/13/12/interview-blueshift-sam-beck12:11
MartijnVdSpopey: smartctl -a shows them12:26
MartijnVdSpopey: it has a section labeled "SMART Self-test log"12:27
MartijnVdSmine says:12:27
MartijnVdS# 1  Vendor (0xff)       Completed without error       00%      1436         -12:27
popeyk12:30
* Myrtti kicks a website12:31
Myrttiwork damnit12:31
popeySelf-test execution status:      (  41)The self-test routine was interrupted by the host with a hard or soft reset.12:31
popeyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6545589/12:32
MartijnVdSpopey: sounds like an error occurred (according to the kernel) during the test, so it reset the drive to try again12:33
MartijnVdSpopey: if you unmount the disk(s), testing should work better12:33
MartijnVdSif the test still fails, you can try a "captive mode" test -- evreything else trying to use the disk will block12:33
MartijnVdSand if that fails, it's probably the controller12:34
MartijnVdSor backplane12:34
popeyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6545599/ restarting12:35
popeyinterestingly, i only have one cable connected to the external array12:36
popeyfriend geek suggests I should have two12:36
popey(it has 8 bays and is seen as two controllers - ata1 and ata2 - internal is ata0)12:36
popeybut I *can* see all the disks12:36
MartijnVdSwhat kind of cable is going to it?12:36
popeyesata from the pci card12:41
popeyI am pretty sure I never had two cables connected to it12:41
popeybut now I'm starting to doubt myself12:41
popeytempted to power down, attach second cable and see what happens ☻12:41
MartijnVdSoh it has the ports?12:42
diddledanpopey: you might double your bandwidth or enable multipath12:42
popeyit has two, yes12:42
MartijnVdSdiddledan: it could also be "esata out" to daisy-chain?12:42
diddledanyeah it could also be to attach a second unit12:42
MartijnVdSin that case, attaching it to the PC might not be optimal12:42
diddledanwould be interesting tho12:43
diddledansee how weird you can make thingsd12:43
diddledantwiglet zone12:43
foobarrycant believe my friends really think they will receive a free £500 adsa voucher12:46
davmor2foobarry: what for?12:47
foobarrysharing a link on facebook from some nonasda site12:47
davmor2hahaha12:48
MartijnVdSI always think that the names "asda" and "dfds" were thought up by just randomly mashing keys on a keyboard12:48
diddledanfoobarry: make a FU package and send it to them "from" the nonasda people12:48
popeyI was wrong, it does have two cables connected. Tempted to replace one.12:48
popeyfoobarry: yeah, my sister posted it, i replied with "Nope. Scam. " and the link to a hoax-buster site12:49
foobarryMartijnVdS: i do all my shopping at qwerty12:49
popeyhttp://free500voucher.org/ is the site12:49
popeyhttp://free500voucher.org/asda.html12:49
foobarryyes.12:49
foobarrynot clicking it12:49
MartijnVdSfoobarry: we have "azerty computers" in .nl12:50
MartijnVdSfoobarry: they're good & usually cheap :)12:50
davmor2foobarry: I once got a £100 tesco voucher for spending 30 minutes answering questions on shopping habits.12:50
foobarryi would like to do a secret millionaire and set up a site where i give a free ipad for sharing a link12:52
foobarryit would break the internet12:52
foobarryas all the sensible people would say, thats nonsense, you can't win an ipad for clicking a link12:52
MartijnVdSfoobarry: but only every {next prime number}th sharer gets one :)12:52
foobarrywhich reminds me, its the airfix advent calendar comp12:52
diddledanI'm waiting to see what happens when the counter hits zero12:53
wil__hi from italy!12:53
wil__http://paste.ubuntu.com/6545671/12:54
diddledanhai2u12:54
diddledanhaha, the free 500£ asda vouchers are now stocked at -9 remaining12:57
diddledanand getting fewer12:57
diddledan-2112:58
diddledanthey really didn't think it through12:58
foobarrywhat is the point, ad views or data harvesting?12:58
foobarrynor did the users12:58
diddledan12,874 comments according to the facebook thingy on the page12:58
DJonesData harvesting I think & then being able to sell as much info as you've shared to 3rd party advertisers12:59
popeyno12:59
popeyit redirects people to do those dodgy surveys12:59
popeyand affiliate links12:59
DJonesThis is ASDA's warning about the scam "WARNING: Do not respond to Facebook posts and ads doing the rounds just now inviting you to "claim a £500 Asda Christmas voucher". These are nothing to do with us and may be an attempt to capture your personal information. Please share this to make sure your friends are not taken in. Thank you."13:00
foobarrychristmas carol service at work starts now13:00
foobarrybit early for carols13:00
foobarryDJones: i've given up trying to educate my facebook friends13:00
foobarryyou end up being "that guy"13:00
popey\o/ no friends13:01
diddledanthe whois looks interesting13:01
MooDooI want a friend....any one?13:01
MartijnVdSisn't that what LUGs are for?13:01
DJonesfoobarry: Me too, I end up letting my wife know, although she's a lot more concious on security than most people13:01
diddledananyone want to start phoning random egyptians in the middle of the night? Registrant Phone:+20.0122014212613:02
MartijnVdSEgypt13:02
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DJonesfoobarry: A lot of her friends are the typical target market for the scammers though, they see the word 'Free' _click_ and don't notice the next sentence "Emptying of your bank account"13:03
MartijnVdSWhere's HazRPG when you need him? ;)13:03
DJonesIt could be HazRPG :)13:03
MartijnVdSDJones: hmmm. :)13:03
foobarryfree punch in the face?13:04
foobarrywhatever happened to hazrpg?13:04
MooDoofoobarry: I'll have one of them please, might cheer me up again13:04
* foobarry sends one via sftp13:04
MooDoothanks13:04
foobarryyou can get one in any irish pub13:05
foobarryupon saying some magic incatation13:05
DJonesSounds like Liverpool, although there it'd be a Scouse Kiss13:06
popeyI am pondering getting Sam some Scalextric for xmas13:09
foobarrythat was a hard question today13:10
foobarryi still have some remnants of my old scalextric set int he loft13:10
foobarrythinks its just easier to buy a new set now they have some really cool stuff now13:11
foobarryhow can you race 4 cars at once with this set? http://www.scalextric.com/shop/sets/digital/c1223-triple-cup/13:12
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foobarrywitchcraft13:12
foobarryScalextric Digital: Released in 2004, Scalextric Digital is compatible with Sport. It allows up to 6 cars on a 2 lane track at one time, with each car fully controllable. This was a feature previously unavailable from Scalextric.13:14
popey200 notes!13:17
foobarryyeah, its a digi set13:17
foobarrythey have regular stuff , i saw one set half price for 50 quid13:18
popeyi was pondering http://www.scalextric.com/shop/sets/scalextric-start/c1303-scalextric-start-gt-power-set/13:18
popeyI would imagine the kids being kicked out of the lounge to the play room with that going13:19
knightwiseaha13:23
knightwisei appear to have fixed my download problem with Doggcatcher13:23
knightwiseI had set the maximum ammount of download too low13:23
foobarryhttp://www.scalextric.com/shop/sale/c1284-scalextric-mclaren-mp4-12c-set/ also looks nice13:25
foobarrythe start sets have "e with a built in ‘junior’ power setting to help the inexperienced racer to sharpen their race craft."13:25
foobarryi can see some dads playing unfair with that...13:25
popeyhah13:26
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popeyis it all still compatible with eachother (digital apart)?13:30
popeyso if sam found some parts on ebay it should all fit?13:30
foobarrystart seems a little bit different13:32
foobarryhttp://www.scalextric.com/shop/scalextric-start/13:32
foobarryption 1: Increase the track length of your Start circuit by over one metre, simply by adding C8527 Scalextric Start Straight Track Extension Pack.13:32
foobarryOption 2: Alternatively, incorporate the C8525 Scalextric Start Converter Track Pack and add any track piece from the full Scalextric range to enhance your new Scalextric Start set.13:32
foobarryso u miht be better off with a track like one i mentioned above13:33
foobarryi think the cars stick to the track a lot better than they did in the 80s13:33
popeyhttp://www.scalextric.com/our-ranges-explained/13:33
popey"Compatible with standard Scalextric products"13:34
foobarrythat needs a little asterisk i think13:34
popeyhow so?13:34
foobarrybecause it seems u need to get the special piece of track to connect the more child friendly start pieces to the standard pieces (option 2 ^^)13:36
directhexHOW MUCH?13:36
foobarryhowever that allows a whole section to be added13:36
directhexhttp://www.scalextric.com/shop/sets/digital/c1276-scalextric-digital-platinum/13:36
foobarryhttp://www.scalextric.com/_assets/images/cache/shops/productdetailsmain/C8525-Scalextric-Start-ConverterTrack-Pack-Guide(1).jpg13:36
foobarrythis explains a bit: see the images http://www.scalextric.com/shop/track/straights-and-straight-borders/c8525-scalextric-start-converter-track-pack/13:37
popeyso i am better off getting standard then13:37
foobarrydirecthex: overtaking and braking? this is for the grown ups !!13:37
foobarryi want this set13:38
foobarryi also learned that the lambo is a wicked car that all the pro competitors use13:38
foobarryi think the expense is also due to the fact u get a "Also included are two Porsche 997 cars, two Lamborghini Gallardo GT cars and two Audi R8 cars"13:39
MartijnVdSfull-size ones?13:40
ali1234there are pro scaletric racers?13:40
foobarryfor sure13:40
foobarryjust like pro gamers13:40
directhexor pro badgers13:40
TheOpenSourcererpopey: Get a starter set with rugged cars.13:41
foobarryhow old is sam13:41
popey713:41
foobarryi played with big boy scalextric at that age13:41
foobarryand beat the adults ..13:42
TheOpenSourcererWe got ours a "raleigh" type set and the cars lasted well - longer than the kids enthusiasm for slot car racing ;-)13:42
popeyi should buy a camera for the kids ㋛ http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/photography-blog/2013/dec/09/videre-pinhole-cardboard-camera-instagram13:42
TheOpenSourcererAnd if your wife is anything like mine don't let her take the track apart!13:42
popeysnappage?13:42
foobarrymy enthusiasm lasted as long as i had competitors13:43
TheOpenSourcererbent connectors13:43
popeyme and my brother played with it a lot13:43
TheOpenSourcererWe did as kids too13:43
AlanBellwe had loads of standard stuff, got a huge box of it from ebay but it all got given away to cousins in the end13:43
popeyhe had a bfair collection of cars13:43
TheOpenSourcererBut then there was not much else then.13:43
popeyhoop & stick13:43
TheOpenSourcererGosh you had a hoop too!13:43
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SuperMattI'm feeling a little cheated13:47
gordonjcpwhen I was wee, my mates and I tried playing hoop and stick with a tractor tyre13:47
gordonjcpI don't recommend it13:47
SuperMattI just realised Bugsy Malone only signs in one of the songs in this whole movie.13:47
SuperMattI wish I had that role rather than be Fizzy. I had to do a bloomin' solo!13:48
gordonjcpit's not a fun game, especially not the resounding bollocking you get for letting a tractor tyre run about a mile off down hill and smash a bunch of fences13:48
* popey sends wifey a mail for approval13:48
foobarrypurchase order approval process13:48
foobarrywhich set u thinking then?13:48
* TheOpenSourcerer and the missus went to Hamley's on Saturday morning - bedlam.13:48
TheOpenSourcererDidn't buy much was all a big rip off really.13:49
SuperMattTheOpenSourcerer: bad idea13:50
SuperMattand I could have told you that13:50
SuperMattit's a tourist trap these days13:51
foobarrymemorable experience for the kids though13:51
foobarryi remember when toysrus first opened in the UK, was amazing13:51
directhexgods i'm hungry13:52
TheOpenSourcererSome outlaws in America sent us an online Advent Calendar - After being hassled  twice by email (and presumably also email the sender of said calendar) about not having "opened" it yet, Helen tried last night. Minimum requirements: Windows. OSX and Adaobe Air. #fail13:52
MartijnVdSAdobe Air still exists?!13:52
directhexMartijnVdS, yes!13:53
TheOpenSourcererApparently so.13:53
MartijnVdSI thought they killed it13:53
directhexMartijnVdS, air for linux is discontinued though13:53
TheOpenSourcererAir is a bit like Silverlight. Both unloved and not particularly useful.13:53
directhexa few good games use air13:54
directhexe.g. defender's quest13:54
dwatkinssome apps do too.13:55
TheOpenSourcererHouse of commons about to spend 8 hours sayinghow a great a bloke was can't hear it any more.13:56
directhexwho cares about apps that are not games?13:56
foobarryzinio uses it13:57
dwatkinsI certainly don't on my Windows machine. I play Kerbal Space Program and Homeworld on it.13:57
dwatkinsWindows is just a toy to me.13:58
directhexdwatkins, KSP is on linux though14:00
dwatkinsdirecthex: good point, yes14:10
dwatkinsI play it on Windows because when I started playing I was also uploading a bunch of stuff to Bitcasa at the same time ;)14:11
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foobarryis it better to add a voice track to a video before or after uploaded to youtubes15:33
foobarrythinking about sync issues15:33
MartijnVdSafter will also cut out any other soundthe video may have15:34
MartijnVdSfoobarry: before gives you more control15:34
foobarryit was a screencast15:35
foobarry(no sound)15:36
MartijnVdSI'd still add it locally15:36
MartijnVdSjust to prevent sync issues, like you said15:36
MartijnVdSalso, it allows you to upload to multiple services15:36
MartijnVdSnot just youtube15:36
foobarryyeah15:36
lornajaneI had this brilliant idea at the weekend to reinstall my laptop with newest ubuntu, and switch over to gnome15:36
MartijnVdSlornajane: gnome, not unity?15:37
foobarryso i need to narrate it while playing the video on my screen15:37
lornajaneMartijnVdS: I guess this is unity?  Whatever happens by default (I'm normally an XFCE user)15:37
foobarryand mux it with..?15:37
MartijnVdSlornajane: it's probably unity then, with the buttons on the left side etc.?15:37
lornajaneit seems quite overlay-ish and has icons at the left.  So unity?15:37
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lornajanecool :)15:37
MartijnVdSfoobarry: avconv or ffmpeg15:37
foobarryta15:37
lornajaneso, it is doing something to my menus15:37
foobarryMartijnVdS: have you tried elementary yet?15:37
foobarry:P15:37
lornajaneyou know how you can press Alt+f to get into a file menu in some applications?  I can't.15:38
lornajaneI found that there's an Alt+f10 which sort of focuses the menu bars but then I still can't jump into a specfic menu15:38
ali1234you are supposed to use HUD15:38
ali1234tap alt and then type what you want15:38
lornajaneI turned off the hud thing, it was just grabbing focus15:39
lornajaneI thought my applications would still work without it15:39
ali1234they probably would work if you also disable global menu15:40
lornajane"turned off" <- actually I changed the keyboard shortcut15:40
lornajaneali1234: that sounds promising :)  How can I disable global menu, please?15:40
lornajaneand will it stop the title bars getting into the start bar thing?15:40
ali1234the menus, yes15:40
ali1234i don't know how you disable it on recent versions15:41
ali1234i stopped using unity ages ago15:41
lornajanegoogle probably knows, I'll look it up.  Thanks for the tip!15:41
daftykinshow do you use dpkg to tell you what package names are installed? i think a mate has nvidia drivers on but want to confirm what source they came from15:42
ali1234apt-cache policy <whatever>15:42
daftykins? surely that involves knowing the package name is on15:42
ali1234yeah15:43
ali1234try apt-cache policy nvidia-*15:43
daftykinsoic15:43
daftykinsthis mates 12.04.3 optimus setup has decided to die a death today, it's hanging on /scripts/init-bottom15:45
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foobarrywhy don't thinngs core dump as soon as you enable core :(15:53
foobarryls15:54
daftykins#15:54
AlanBellI have a 3TB drive that worked fine in a computer, but doesn't work in a USB enclosure15:56
AlanBellhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6546392/15:58
AlanBellit is partitioned into two partitions, I think a 1TB and a 2TB partition15:58
AlanBelldoesn't work on a raspberry pi, or my laptop, same error Dec  9 15:53:10 alanlaptop kernel: [62234.473890] sdb: p1 size 28599402496 extends beyond EOD, enabling native capacity15:58
AlanBellso when in the USB enclosure it thinks the disk size is something smaller than the partition sizes15:59
ali1234your USB enclosure is a bad one15:59
popeydoes it need to be GPT ?15:59
ali1234show full dmesg output...15:59
daftykinssounds like the enclosure can't handle the capacity16:01
AlanBellhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/6546403/ fuller dmesg from the raspberry pi16:01
AlanBellit is a shiny new USB3 enclosure (not using it with USB3, but it supports it)16:02
ali1234the usb controller remaps the drive geometry16:03
ali1234your partition table is using 1024 byte blocks16:03
ali1234but the controller is using 4096 byte blocks16:04
ali1234the partition bounds are given in blocks16:04
ali1234or possibly you used 512b blocks16:05
AlanBellpossibly16:06
daftykinssounds like an older utility partitioned an advanced format drive?16:06
ali1234http://askubuntu.com/questions/337693/how-to-format-a-4k-sector-hard-drive16:07
ali1234yeah16:07
ali1234this is the problem anyway. no idea how to fix it16:07
daftykinsa friend is trying to run a package purge but apparently it's wanting to *download* some - why in the 'eck would that be? O_O16:09
lornajaneali1234: thanks for the HUD tip, I can kinda see what this feature is supposed to do now16:10
ali1234if package a depends on b|c, removing b might cause c to be installed?16:10
ali1234something like that anyway. dependencies16:10
ali1234if you're trying to remove and reinstall it, do install --reinstall instead16:11
daftykinsnah his graphics setup seems to be completely knackered, so he's in recovery login trying to remove the nvidia and bumblebee packages16:11
daftykinsbut frustratingly he doesn't remember how he installed them in the first place to know how to undo it properly16:12
ali1234use jockey-cli16:12
ali1234or jockey-text16:13
ali1234eg jockey-text -l16:13
daftykinsroger that, passing it on now16:14
ali1234weirdly enough, that says i'm not using nvidia driver. this isn't true16:14
ali1234so don't believe the output i guess :/16:14
daftykinserk16:14
daftykinshe's on 12.04.316:15
ali1234it does correctly identify that it is installed though16:15
daftykinsdoes it talk in terms of nvidia-current or nvidia-xxx?16:17
ali1234nvidia-xxx16:17
daftykinshe got org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connecte to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory16:18
ali1234oh dear16:19
daftykinsis recovery mode doing something quirky?16:19
ali1234probably... like not running an X server16:19
ali1234or a system dbus session according to the error16:19
daftykinsyeah the main issue is that boot was hanging, as X can't find any screens it seems16:19
ali1234well you should still get a console prompt16:19
daftykinsi figured some updates he may've done had rendered his bumblebee setup kaput16:19
ali1234try disabling it in bios16:20
ali1234disable the nvidia chip16:20
daftykinsyou don't get options like that on every optimus system16:20
ali1234it should boot up as intel16:20
ali1234well, that sucks16:20
daftykinscertainly not our model Asus laptop (i have the same but don't run Linux)16:20
awilkinsI think I blacklisted the module for it16:20
daftykinshe might've been able to get to a TTY but the screen was just staying on the splash i believe16:20
awilkinsSince it was causing CPU thrash every 10 seconds because it was talking on the (really slow) I2C bus16:21
daftykinswhat's that?16:23
awilkinsNvidia module on an optimus chipset16:25
awilkinsThink it just kept re-initializing16:25
daftykinsah16:26
daftykinsi'm not really sure of the current situation with optimus16:26
awilkinsWhich needed it to talk to the hardware, which uses the I2C bus, which is reallllly slow, which means a lot of CPU sat there cycling waiting for vytes16:26
awilkinsbytes16:26
daftykinsi've been meaning to try it out on my laptop but... meh :D16:26
awilkinsYeah16:26
awilkinsNo problems with performance on Intel only16:26
awilkinsNo need to run snazzy 3Dness on my workstation16:26
daftykinsi think they say the chip stays on unless you have some form of bumblebee on though?16:27
awilkinsIt would just make me more likely to play Minecraft16:27
daftykinsnvidia chip i mean16:27
awilkinsdaftykins, Yeah it might well do, that's why I blacklisted the kernel module16:27
daftykinsmm-hmm16:27
awilkinsMaybe it doesn't turn the card off but the weird pauses stopped16:28
daftykinsi think this friends setup is a fair bit broken16:28
awilkinsIt was intermittent16:28
awilkinsOnly when a particular kernel helper ended up with the same CPU core affinity as the nvidia module16:28
awilkinsSpecial Developer Magic was required to diagnose16:28
daftykins:D16:29
Azelphurgot myself an Enta.net account, aww ye.16:34
daftykinswhat'll that give?16:34
Azelphurdaftykins: super high quality internets.16:34
daftykinsthat one your dad was gonna help you get?16:34
Azelphuryup16:34
daftykinsvewy gewd!16:35
* Azelphur waves goodbye to talktalk16:35
Azelphurgot out of the 2y contract too16:35
daftykins:O16:35
daftykinshow? frequent issues?16:35
Azelphurdaftykins: yea, my dads kinda good at getting people out of contracts, and they sent an engineer to physically disconnect my phone line...twice16:35
Azelphurso it was pretty easy16:35
Azelphur(ie, they randomly sent an engineer for no reason, with my bills all fully paid)16:36
daftykinsO_O16:36
daftykinsthat's a bit harsh16:36
Azelphuryup16:36
daftykinsi'd go ape16:37
Azelphurthe first time they did it I was without internet for a few days, engineer came to "fix" it and quickly found what had happened16:37
Azelphurtold me if it happened again run outside16:37
Azelphursecond time it happened, ran outside, caught the engineer at the box, he had my phone number written down in his book of lines to disconnect.16:37
daftykinsO_O16:37
daftykinsso somehow talktalk keep setting up a request to give you a bad time16:38
Azelphurindeed16:38
daftykinssounds like a great company :D16:38
Azelphurand their cleanfeed server keeps dragging down half the internet16:38
Azelphurwhich is great.16:38
Azelphur2+ minutes to load an imgur page is getting real old real fast16:38
daftykinssome kind of cacheing proxy?16:38
Azelphurdaftykins: proxy for filtering child porn16:38
daftykins=/16:39
daftykinsridiculous16:39
Azelphurbut of course they have to proxy the entire host (eg imgur) to stop it16:39
Azelphurso simply browsing reddit like a normal person is impossible16:39
daftykinsprobably healthy not to use such sites anyway ;)16:39
daftykinsapart from the odd cute cat pic! :)16:39
Azelphurhehe16:40
Azelphurdaftykins: wikipedia is also cleanfeeded.16:40
daftykinsugh, tell friend to remove nvidia-current16:40
daftykinshe ignores and nukes nvidia* instead16:40
daftykinsi feel like i'm in #ubuntu helping some challenging individual.16:40
daftykinsi just have to deal with my ISP having changed us from PPPoA to PPPoE - which seems to not run so reliably so far16:41
Laney--yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing16:41
LaneyYes, do as I say!16:41
Laney"oh crap, now my system doesn't boot"16:41
daftykins:)16:41
LaneyI think I haven't achieved full adulthood yet16:47
LaneyThe guy in the Christmas tree shop said "You do know this is 35 pounds, right?" to me16:48
LaneyHe looked very sceptical that I should be buying a tree at all16:48
MyrttiI still find it odd that people are propping up Christmas trees at this time16:50
Myrttithey're supposed to go up on Christmas eve!16:50
daftykinsthey are? D:16:50
daftykinsi have no decorations at all ;x16:50
* AlanBell has a tree up16:51
SuperMattI need to get my decorations from my parents16:51
Myrtti(atleast in Finland - it's also a nice way to procrastinate and postpone Christmas to the last possible moment)16:51
AlanBellgot it yesterday in Wales, they are expensive in Surrey16:51
LaneyNow-ish is pretty normal ime16:51
Myrttidaftykins: don't feel bad, neither do we apart from one bronze reindeer candleholder that looks nice enough to be displayed round the year16:51
Laneyyeah I don't have any either16:52
daftykins:D16:53
daftykinsyay16:53
daftykinsas long as i don't seem a scrooge i'm good16:53
Laneywill buy some tonight / tomorrow, depending on what the supermarket has16:53
daftykinsthough it seems resolving all the boiler and property issues for winter will cost me more than enough!16:54
Laneyaint living fun16:54
daftykinsi've decided it's far too expensive16:56
daftykinscome Thursday my parents are going to palm one of their three cats onto me as a trial run for the weekend D:16:57
daftykinsif it works out i'll demand they pay maintenance :D16:57
awilkinsChrimbotrees. BAH HUMBUG16:57
awilkinsAll Christmas decorations are a royal PITA16:58
daftykins:D16:58
Laneyprint out a picture of a nicely decorated tree and stick it on the wall16:58
Myrttihttp://www.pinterest.com/pin/439734351087213112/ <-- the candleholder16:58
daftykinsooh how cute, how tall is it Myrtti ?16:58
Myrttidaftykins: about 25cm17:00
MyrttiI have no idea how much it costs, it's silver coated17:01
Myrttiand quite heavy17:01
daftykinscrikey17:01
Myrttieither 58€ or 98€17:02
Myrttihttp://www.pentik.com/en/products/Pages/Product.aspx?Catalog=VCNK40&ProductID=1MES0480U01%28Pentik+Base+Catalog%29 http://www.pentik.com/en/products/Pages/Product.aspx?Catalog=VCNK40&ProductID=1MES0513U01%28Pentik+Base+Catalog%2917:02
daftykinsgetting that friend to remove nvidia and bumblebee fixed things enough to boot17:09
daftykinshuzzah17:09
SuperMattMooDoo: still no news! I'm dying a little inside :(17:13
MartijnVdSreminder.. someone had to take his pills18:00
MartijnVdSma dec  9 19:00:27 CET 201318:00
DJonesMartijnVdS: Thanks, done18:50
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