[06:04] <azzid> hi!
[06:04] <azzid> need help with my ath wifi card, it is not being detected on 13.04, here's some data http://pastebin.com/eU49VCFD
[07:04] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:42] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: morning!
[07:43] <MooDoo> how are you MartijnVdS ?
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> a bit annoyed, my VPS was rebooted without notification 4 hours ago
[07:44] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: host issue or vps?
[07:44] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: I'm guessing it's Bytemark/BigV, but there's nothing on their "Outages" forum
[07:44] <MooDoo> :(
[07:47] <MartijnVdS> oh well, if it's up now
[07:51] <mapps> hey
[07:53] <MooDoo> hello mapps
[07:53] <mapps> morning MooDoo  :)
[07:53] <mapps> early eh
[07:53] <MooDoo> mapps: yup, been at work almost an hour already
[07:54] <mapps> aha
[07:54] <mapps> early
[07:54] <mapps> 6am start?
[07:54] <mapps> ah no 7am
[07:54] <mapps> sorry i didnt know the time
[07:54] <mapps> :D
[07:54] <MooDoo> hehe yeah 7, means I finish at 3:30 :D
[07:55] <mapps> yes
[07:55] <mapps> early
[07:55] <mapps> whats your job?
[07:56] <MooDoo> support team leader for an ISP....
[07:56] <MooDoo> you?
[07:56] <mapps> i work for a big bookmaker..the biggest probably
[07:56] <mapps> in the trading dept
[07:56] <MooDoo> cool :D
[07:57] <mapps> i have no interest in working in thwir support/dev/tech teams
[07:57] <mapps> its all windows based
[07:57] <mapps> *snore*
[07:57] <mapps> iis...asp..etc
[07:57] <mapps> yawn
[07:57] <MooDoo> lol :) just doing my certification in windows 2012 :)
[07:57] <mapps> urgh
[07:57] <MooDoo> hehe
[07:57] <mapps> because work make u?:D
[07:57] <diddledan> windows FTWTF
[07:57] <MooDoo> lol no by choice...
[07:58] <mapps> oh
[07:58] <mapps> you a windows guy?:(
[07:58] <mapps> FTW - tf?
[07:58] <mapps> whats tf
[07:58] <diddledan> WTF
[07:58] <MooDoo> mapps: both really, doing windows certification is good for my career progression
[07:59] <mapps> oh
[07:59] <mapps> oops diddledan
[07:59] <mapps> lol
[07:59] <mapps> is this a big isp or small local?
[07:59] <MooDoo> big
[07:59] <MooDoo> imo :)
[07:59] <mapps> nice
[08:18] <popey> hmm http://paste.ubuntu.com/6544714/ through http://paste.ubuntu.com/6544725/ are pastebins of smartctl -a on each disk in my server. Some of them don't look well.
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> popey: did you do a smartctl -t long first?
[08:19] <popey> no
[08:19] <MartijnVdS> popey: that might help determine if there's a problem
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> (and the seriousness of it)
[08:21] <popey> i have a feeling it may be the controller or enclosure
[08:21] <popey> given multiple drives failing in the same way
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> could it be the PSU not being able to cope with that many disks at once?
[08:22] <popey> it has 8 bays, it should
[08:22] <MartijnVdS> popey: can't hurt to measure the 12V/5V voltages though :)
[08:22] <popey> well, test started, will take until lhtime
[08:24] <dwatkins> Just be careful measuring voltages that you don't slip and ruin an expensive piece of kit, like I did the other day...
[08:25] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: ah yes, important
[08:30] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6544696/ is why I'm checking them
[08:30] <popey> all the errors are on ata1 which is the bottom half of the array
[08:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: { Once you get errors like this }
[08:31] <MartijnVdS> popey: { Start Making Backups }
[08:31] <popey> it is my backups
[08:32] <popey> might take the whole array apart and see if there's any loose / dodgy connections
[08:32] <knightwise> mornin all
[08:32] <MooDoo> morning kni`
[08:32] <MooDoo> darn wrong keys
[08:32] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: `echo morning knightwise` ? :)
[08:33] <MooDoo> that's the one ;)
[08:33] <knightwise> haha
[08:34] <MooDoo> 10 print Morning knightwise 20 goto 10 :)
[08:34] <knightwise> ooooooh :)
[08:34] <knightwise> moody are we ?
[08:34] <MooDoo> knightwise: not at all, crappy attempt at humour :D
[08:34] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: nah, he's moo doo
[08:34] <knightwise> :)
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> Ik ben webdesigner en zit met een probleem. Ik heb een heel vervelend ex-vriendje die regelmatig in het hackerscircuit te vinden is. Hij vindt het de laatste paar maanden leuk om elke dag mijn domein of IP-adres op allerlei blacklists te zetten, waardoor ik geen van mijn klanten kan mailen. Ik kan dat wel oplossen maar dan moet ik elke dag weer met die zwartelijstbeheerders overleggen, maar het kost me behoorlijk veel klanten en veel frustratie
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> Dit is een hele moeilijke. Juridisch zou er wel wat aan te doen zijn: dit riekt voor mij naar stalking – structureel iemand lastigvallen. Ook kun je het gooien op een oneerlijke handelspraktijk, of gewoon op de maatschappelijke zorgvuldigheid – dit moet niet mogen, dus mag het niet. Het grote punt zal zijn dat er bewijs moet komen dat hij het is. En hoewel het voor de hand ligt, is er echt meer nodig dan “wie behalve hij zou dat doen”. 
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> Sorry, that was me mis-using a mouse
[08:35] <MartijnVdS> http://blog.iusmentis.com/2013/12/09/wat-doe-je-tegen-een-zwartelijstmanipulerende-stalker/ for the interested :)
[08:35] <MooDoo> ok wheres the google translate option
[08:36] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: it's part of chrome
[08:36] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: is it?
[08:37] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: my Chrome offers to translate when I go to a site in an unknown (to me) language
[08:37] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: yeah mines not working for some reason
[08:37] <Azelphur> well, the mic sensor in my edimax ip camera is just a little sensitive...I put it by the front door so I could hear the postie arriving. It can hear me typing on the other side of the apartment, through a closed door.
[08:38] <Myrtti> does anyone know a good IRCnet server that's reachable from UK?
[08:40] <diddledan> surely they're all reachable from the uk?
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: nah, lots of ircnet ops only allow connections from their own country, because of ddos risk
[08:40] <mapps> MooDoo,  uk isp?
[08:40] <MartijnVdS> somehow ircnet is a ddos magnet
[08:40] <dwatkins> diddledan: I assume Myrtti  means http://www.ircnet.org/
[08:41] <DJones> Myrtti: Don't know if this helps, old information but may still be working, under the 21st March posting http://www.ircnet.org/news.html
[08:41] <Myrtti> I'm using atwinternet one right now but it's cycling all the time
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> DJones: the hostname resolves..
[08:41] <MartijnVdS> on v4 and v6
[08:59] <diplo> Morning all
[09:06] <knightwise> hey diplo
[09:31] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:32] <MooDoo> morning
[09:33] <knightwise> hey bigcalm
[09:33] <knightwise> hmm.. need to figure out what is wrong with my Doggcatcher installation on Android. Doesn't seem to want to auto download any shows
[09:33]  * knightwise gets annoyed when technology fails him
[09:33] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: I've switched to Podkicker Prop
[09:34] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: s/p$//
[09:34]  * Myrtti looks at her DoggCatcher
[09:35] <Myrtti> mine works disgustingly well
[09:35] <knightwise> podkicker ?
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> knightwise: pro
[09:35] <Myrtti> I can't wait for AntennaPod to mature a bit more though
[09:35] <Myrtti> I'll switch over screaming when it is a bit more ready
[09:35] <knightwise> I'll give it a try
[09:36] <knightwise> There is of course always Gpodder and Botsync
[09:36] <knightwise> but thats a bit too manual for my taste
[09:36] <SuperMatt> morning peeps
[09:36] <Myrtti> knightwise: antennapod syncs with gpodder.net
[09:36] <Myrtti> but as I said, it needs to mature a bit more
[09:40] <MooDoo> morning SuperMatt
[09:40] <SuperMatt> still no news :(
[09:41] <DJones> Anybody with an N7 (2013) model able to recommend a case with bluetooth keyboard where the case isn't too bulky with the keyboard in it and the keyboard can be removed, I'm looking for one that will be fairly light & not too awkward to hold for somebody who has severe arthritus in the hands/wrists
[09:43] <DJones> Currently looking at this http://www.amazon.co.uk/GreatShield-Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Function/dp/B00ENKTFEK/ref=sr_1_37?ie=UTF8&qid=1386581569&sr=8-37&keywords=nexus+7+2013+case+keyboard but not sure about how easy it is to removbe the keyboard to make it lighter to hold just for reading
[09:47] <Myrtti> DJones: any specific reason why it has to be a case + keyboard?
[09:49] <DJones> Myrtti: Preferably so that they can be kept together without having to carry two things around, its for my mother in law who's in a wheelchair or uses a walking frame, so carrying multiple things can be difficult, specially as one hand will almost always have a cup of tea in it
[09:52] <foobarry> askubunt.com down :(
[09:52] <popey> works for me
[09:52] <Laney> you might want to spell it right
[09:52] <Laney> it works
[09:52] <Laney> :P
[09:52] <popey> but then I used the right url
[09:52] <foobarry> works now :P
[09:52] <foobarry> unrelted to typos
[09:55] <Myrtti> DJones: there's a few aluminium ones where the keyboard and tablet are totally separate but the keyboard acts as a case for the tablet
[09:55] <DJones> Myrtti: Thanks, I'll have a look for those
[09:55] <Myrtti> tempted to get one myself but they've got american layouts
[09:55] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aluminum-Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Google/dp/B00AE3T5F4/
[09:55] <Myrtti> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Wireless-Bluetooth-Keyboard-Google-Tablet/dp/B009SL3WS4
[09:56] <Myrtti> mind you I don't have a 2013 nexus or a keyboard, but those do look nice
[09:56] <foobarry> that moment when you're using unity and hit super+1,2,3,4,5,6 instead of alt-1,2,3,4,5,6 to quickly flick through irssi chans
[09:56] <MooDoo> irssi o/
[09:57] <popey> \o/ irssi
[09:57] <foobarry> bombarded with pidgin, picasa, chrome,...agh
[09:57] <Myrtti> DJones: you know, I might actually buy one for D as a christmas present.
[09:58] <foobarry> lock-picking kits are plentiful on amazon :-|
[09:59] <DJones> Myrtti: They look good, but I don't think they'd work, because her hand problems, she can be prone to drop things, and with it not being an 'all surrounding' case, I think the two pieces could come apart in the fall to the ground
[09:59] <foobarry> also: "A set of 6 Fire brigade master keys as used for communal doors, entrances, barriers, padlocks, utility cupboards etc Commonly known as FB Keys. Fire Brigade keys are used on access points where the Fire Brigade may need to gain access in an emergenc"
[10:08] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:08] <SuperMatt> morning brobostigon
[10:09] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[10:13] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: had your phone call yet?
[10:13] <SuperMatt> nooooooo :(
[10:17] <DJones> Myrtti: Eventually gave up & got one with a seperate case & seperate keyboard that looks to velcro on if you want use as a mini laptop, decided that convinience would make up for carrying two things
[10:17] <SuperMatt> heh, I'm doing what I did at my last place: new person joins, I hand in my notice that day
[10:17] <SuperMatt> last time though, the new person was my new manager
[10:17] <SuperMatt> first thing I said was "Hi, I'm Matthew, uhm, here's my notice, sorry."
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: "It's not you, it's me"
[10:18] <SuperMatt> turned out she was a bad manager so I would have quit anyway
[10:19] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: you handing in your notice?
[10:20] <SuperMatt> not yet I'm not
[10:20] <DJones> Somebody remind me about 7pm tonight, put spare medication in pocket in case I forget to take them in the morning
[10:20] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: was going to say lol
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> DJones: add it to your google calendar? :)
[10:26] <MartijnVdS> DJones: rememberthemilk?
[10:29] <brobostigon> astrid?
[10:29] <foobarry> rememberthepills
[10:30] <popey> wifey has an app on her iphone which reminds her to take pills
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: that sounds very useful!
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> (I don't have to take any, but I'd certainly use an app like that if I had to)
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all.
[10:32] <MooDoo> morning TheOpenSourcerer
[10:33]  * TheOpenSourcerer is rather tired after an extended weekend of fun and frivolity
[10:33] <popey> :D
[10:33]  * popey is updating his desktop to trusty
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> \o/ trusty
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> any problems so far?
[10:33] <TheOpenSourcerer> I won our golf society on Friday :-) Have won it the most times in the group.
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> <- considering upgrading
[10:34] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: there should be no problems at all, otherwise the name is false advertising
[10:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Had a great lunch on Saturday at The Grosvenor House Hotel - private dining ;-) Oooodles of champagne and Chateaux Neuf
[10:34] <bigcalm> TheOpenSourcerer: has your SGS3 got the new update yet? I'm still waiting
[10:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> Had family over for Sunday lunch yesterday.
[10:35] <MooDoo> nice
[10:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: Yes - I got it this morning.
[10:35] <bigcalm> Yay
[10:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's installed - not really used it yet
[10:35] <MooDoo> we put our christmas tree up yesterday, I took a pic and uploaded it to g+ i love their auto-awesome feature
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: it's all sparkly!
[10:36] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS: i know, cool eh :)
[10:36]  * bigcalm puts his phone down
[10:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> We bought our tree yesterday too. It's up but not decorated yet. Had the fun of trying to get a string of lights that worked... Failed so will be getting some new ones today
[10:37]  * Laney will go out at lunch to get one
[10:37] <Laney> first christmas tree, feeling grown up
[10:37] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> 10 lights$ = "on"
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> 20 print lights$
[10:37] <Laney> need to get decorations too
[10:39] <knightwise> We have some nice Dr Who ornaments in our tree,
[10:40] <MooDoo> knightwise: we have lots of penguins :D
[10:42] <popey> we bought two new sets of lights then came home and found the broken ones actually worked
[10:42] <popey> so we have way more lights up this year than normal
[10:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> ha
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvwd13F_1Gs ?
[10:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone used http://www.vagrantup.com/ before?
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: we use it at work
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: it + chef = Wonder of the Modern World
[10:45] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: what do you want to know? :)
[10:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Not much - just if anyone had used it and didn't think it was rubbish ;-)
[10:46] <popey> ☻
[10:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> I was reading this MartijnVdS http://castlefranksystems.com/2013/12/05/instant-openerp-using-vagrant/
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> well, the part where it requires virtualbox can be a bit annoying (virtualbox + suspend is a bit meh)
[10:47] <MartijnVdS> you CAN configure it to use kvm/libvirt though
[10:47] <diplo> Mentioned Vagrant a few times in LXF recently
[11:11] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Anti-Corruption Day! :-D
[11:13] <directhex> that seems one-sided
[11:13] <directhex> i will represent the pro-corruption side.
[11:14] <dogmatic69> What bribes were paid to have this day made into anti-corruption day?
[11:19] <MooDoo> dogmatic69: pay me a fiver and i'll tell you
[11:22] <DJones> MooDoo: Thats not being bribed, thats just payment for services rendered
[11:23] <MooDoo> DJones: rats...
[11:23] <DJones> To me bribery is more pay me this or I'll tell the world your guilty secret
[11:25] <MooDoo> DJones: give me a fiver or i'll tell everyone your exploits with chickens, marmite and your almost fanatical dedication to the pope ;)
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> or "Here's some money, put me in the front of the queue"
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Poor Alan 8-)
[11:25] <MooDoo> lol
[11:26] <DJones> MooDoo: Thats nasty, I'm glad you've got me mixed up with somebody else because marmite is vile
[11:26] <dutchie> hmm
[11:26] <MooDoo> DJones: yup.....bovril ftw!
[11:26] <dutchie> a 644 file in a 750 directory should be readable right?
[11:26] <popey> \o/ marmite
[11:26] <DJones> MooDoo: Vegemite ++++
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: if you're the owner or in the group, yes
[11:27] <dutchie> the process i want isn't :(
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: if you're "other" the directory needs o+x (751)
[11:27] <dutchie> even if i know the path already?
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: yeah, +x won't allow directory listing, but it will allow traversing
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> dutchie: see chmod manpage
[11:27] <dutchie> ah yes
[11:36] <diplo> what twitter client do you guys use on your machines ?
[11:36] <diplo> Got Birdie but not really liking it
[11:37] <foobarry> chrome
[11:38] <SuperMatt> I just use the websie
[11:38] <SuperMatt> +t
[11:39] <diplo> I've debated that, just do a lot of web dev so I constantly switch.. see if i can get it to size into a screen better
[11:39] <SuperMatt> the website is the only client that manages to stay up to date with the api changes :P
[11:40] <SuperMatt> diplo: I always have a persosnal profile in my browser, and a dev profile, so I can have one browser windows which is me, and one which can be logged in and out 100millionty times and I don't care
[11:40] <diplo> Keep debating doing that, I may find the time later to actually do it! :)
[11:44] <davmor2> Morning all
[11:48] <directhex> hotot
[11:51] <popey> i use tweetdeck
[11:51] <popey> tweetdeck.twitter.com specifically in a browser tab. all twitter clients suck in some way or another
[11:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> hotot FTW!
[11:52] <diplo> Hotot just won't load for me
[11:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: It doesn't start?
[11:53] <diplo> hah. tried it I don't know how many times and what ever I tried I failed
[11:53] <diplo> Try first time today and it works
[11:53] <diplo> At the stage of getting API key/PIN
[11:53] <diplo> Just sit there for ages, no logs/errors
[11:53] <dutchie> +1 tweetdeck
[11:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> I've been on hotot for a good while now since ~12.04 at least.
[11:53] <diplo> I used tweetdeck years ago, will also try that
[11:53] <diplo> ta
[11:53] <DJones> diplo: polly on UBuntu and a web browser on windows
[11:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> It did break a bit when Twitter changed their API a few months back
[11:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> But was fixed fairly sharpish.
[11:54] <diplo> Could be the last time I tried a client
[11:54] <diplo> Did try upgrading etc, nowt :/
[11:58] <SuperMatt> ok, so vagrant is much like juju, but for virtualbox
[11:59] <SuperMatt> it'd be interesting if juju could do virtualbox stuff
[11:59] <SuperMatt> at least for testing
[11:59] <diplo> Aren't they working on LXC support ?
[11:59] <SuperMatt> lxc support is there
[12:00] <SuperMatt> but some people might like it as a feature
[12:00] <SuperMatt> for reasons
[12:00] <diplo> I'd realyl like some hardware to test with, all the stuff I use currently is mine :/
[12:00] <diplo> My work sucks!
[12:00] <diplo> really*
[12:00] <SuperMatt> hopefully if I get this job, I won't have to worry about anything like that any more \o/
[12:01] <SuperMatt> still waiting on the call D:
[12:01] <diplo> Good luck!
[12:01] <SuperMatt> thanks
[12:02] <SuperMatt> I'm just not looking forward to turning to my boss and letting him know the news
[12:02] <MooDoo> SuperMatt: lets hope he doesn't read irc or it's logs :p
[12:03] <SuperMatt> no, he doesn't
[12:07] <popey> MartijnVdS: how do you view the results of the -t long ?
[12:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bit of lunchtime reading: http://opensource.com/life/13/12/interview-blueshift-sam-beck
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> popey: smartctl -a shows them
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> popey: it has a section labeled "SMART Self-test log"
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> mine says:
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> # 1  Vendor (0xff)       Completed without error       00%      1436         -
[12:30] <popey> k
[12:31]  * Myrtti kicks a website
[12:31] <Myrtti> work damnit
[12:31] <popey> Self-test execution status:      (  41)	The self-test routine was interrupted by the host with a hard or soft reset.
[12:32] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6545589/
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> popey: sounds like an error occurred (according to the kernel) during the test, so it reset the drive to try again
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> popey: if you unmount the disk(s), testing should work better
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> if the test still fails, you can try a "captive mode" test -- evreything else trying to use the disk will block
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> and if that fails, it's probably the controller
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> or backplane
[12:35] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6545599/ restarting
[12:36] <popey> interestingly, i only have one cable connected to the external array
[12:36] <popey> friend geek suggests I should have two
[12:36] <popey> (it has 8 bays and is seen as two controllers - ata1 and ata2 - internal is ata0)
[12:36] <popey> but I *can* see all the disks
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> what kind of cable is going to it?
[12:41] <popey> esata from the pci card
[12:41] <popey> I am pretty sure I never had two cables connected to it
[12:41] <popey> but now I'm starting to doubt myself
[12:41] <popey> tempted to power down, attach second cable and see what happens ☻
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> oh it has the ports?
[12:42] <diddledan> popey: you might double your bandwidth or enable multipath
[12:42] <popey> it has two, yes
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: it could also be "esata out" to daisy-chain?
[12:42] <diddledan> yeah it could also be to attach a second unit
[12:42] <MartijnVdS> in that case, attaching it to the PC might not be optimal
[12:43] <diddledan> would be interesting tho
[12:43] <diddledan> see how weird you can make thingsd
[12:43] <diddledan> twiglet zone
[12:46] <foobarry> cant believe my friends really think they will receive a free £500 adsa voucher
[12:47] <davmor2> foobarry: what for?
[12:47] <foobarry> sharing a link on facebook from some nonasda site
[12:48] <davmor2> hahaha
[12:48] <MartijnVdS> I always think that the names "asda" and "dfds" were thought up by just randomly mashing keys on a keyboard
[12:48] <diddledan> foobarry: make a FU package and send it to them "from" the nonasda people
[12:48] <popey> I was wrong, it does have two cables connected. Tempted to replace one.
[12:49] <popey> foobarry: yeah, my sister posted it, i replied with "Nope. Scam. " and the link to a hoax-buster site
[12:49] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: i do all my shopping at qwerty
[12:49] <popey> http://free500voucher.org/ is the site
[12:49] <popey> http://free500voucher.org/asda.html
[12:49] <foobarry> yes.
[12:49] <foobarry> not clicking it
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: we have "azerty computers" in .nl
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: they're good & usually cheap :)
[12:50] <davmor2> foobarry: I once got a £100 tesco voucher for spending 30 minutes answering questions on shopping habits.
[12:52] <foobarry> i would like to do a secret millionaire and set up a site where i give a free ipad for sharing a link
[12:52] <foobarry> it would break the internet
[12:52] <foobarry> as all the sensible people would say, thats nonsense, you can't win an ipad for clicking a link
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: but only every {next prime number}th sharer gets one :)
[12:52] <foobarry> which reminds me, its the airfix advent calendar comp
[12:53] <diddledan> I'm waiting to see what happens when the counter hits zero
[12:53] <wil__> hi from italy!
[12:54] <wil__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6545671/
[12:54] <diddledan> hai2u
[12:57] <diddledan> haha, the free 500£ asda vouchers are now stocked at -9 remaining
[12:57] <diddledan> and getting fewer
[12:58] <diddledan> -21
[12:58] <diddledan> they really didn't think it through
[12:58] <foobarry> what is the point, ad views or data harvesting?
[12:58] <foobarry> nor did the users
[12:58] <diddledan> 12,874 comments according to the facebook thingy on the page
[12:59] <DJones> Data harvesting I think & then being able to sell as much info as you've shared to 3rd party advertisers
[12:59] <popey> no
[12:59] <popey> it redirects people to do those dodgy surveys
[12:59] <popey> and affiliate links
[13:00] <DJones> This is ASDA's warning about the scam "WARNING: Do not respond to Facebook posts and ads doing the rounds just now inviting you to "claim a £500 Asda Christmas voucher". These are nothing to do with us and may be an attempt to capture your personal information. Please share this to make sure your friends are not taken in. Thank you."
[13:00] <foobarry> christmas carol service at work starts now
[13:00] <foobarry> bit early for carols
[13:00] <foobarry> DJones: i've given up trying to educate my facebook friends
[13:00] <foobarry> you end up being "that guy"
[13:01] <popey> \o/ no friends
[13:01] <diddledan> the whois looks interesting
[13:01] <MooDoo> I want a friend....any one?
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> isn't that what LUGs are for?
[13:01] <DJones> foobarry: Me too, I end up letting my wife know, although she's a lot more concious on security than most people
[13:02] <diddledan> anyone want to start phoning random egyptians in the middle of the night? Registrant Phone:+20.01220142126
[13:02] <MartijnVdS> Egypt
[13:03] <DJones> foobarry: A lot of her friends are the typical target market for the scammers though, they see the word 'Free' _click_ and don't notice the next sentence "Emptying of your bank account"
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> Where's HazRPG when you need him? ;)
[13:03] <DJones> It could be HazRPG :)
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> DJones: hmmm. :)
[13:04] <foobarry> free punch in the face?
[13:04] <foobarry> whatever happened to hazrpg?
[13:04] <MooDoo> foobarry: I'll have one of them please, might cheer me up again
[13:04]  * foobarry sends one via sftp
[13:04] <MooDoo> thanks
[13:05] <foobarry> you can get one in any irish pub
[13:05] <foobarry> upon saying some magic incatation
[13:06] <DJones> Sounds like Liverpool, although there it'd be a Scouse Kiss
[13:09] <popey> I am pondering getting Sam some Scalextric for xmas
[13:10] <foobarry> that was a hard question today
[13:10] <foobarry> i still have some remnants of my old scalextric set int he loft
[13:11] <foobarry> thinks its just easier to buy a new set now they have some really cool stuff now
[13:12] <foobarry> how can you race 4 cars at once with this set? http://www.scalextric.com/shop/sets/digital/c1223-triple-cup/
[13:12] <foobarry> witchcraft
[13:14] <foobarry> Scalextric Digital: Released in 2004, Scalextric Digital is compatible with Sport. It allows up to 6 cars on a 2 lane track at one time, with each car fully controllable. This was a feature previously unavailable from Scalextric.
[13:17] <popey> 200 notes!
[13:17] <foobarry> yeah, its a digi set
[13:18] <foobarry> they have regular stuff , i saw one set half price for 50 quid
[13:18] <popey> i was pondering http://www.scalextric.com/shop/sets/scalextric-start/c1303-scalextric-start-gt-power-set/
[13:19] <popey> I would imagine the kids being kicked out of the lounge to the play room with that going
[13:23] <knightwise> aha
[13:23] <knightwise> i appear to have fixed my download problem with Doggcatcher
[13:23] <knightwise> I had set the maximum ammount of download too low
[13:25] <foobarry> http://www.scalextric.com/shop/sale/c1284-scalextric-mclaren-mp4-12c-set/ also looks nice
[13:25] <foobarry> the start sets have "e with a built in ‘junior’ power setting to help the inexperienced racer to sharpen their race craft."
[13:25] <foobarry> i can see some dads playing unfair with that...
[13:26] <popey> hah
[13:30] <popey> is it all still compatible with eachother (digital apart)?
[13:30] <popey> so if sam found some parts on ebay it should all fit?
[13:32] <foobarry> start seems a little bit different
[13:32] <foobarry> http://www.scalextric.com/shop/scalextric-start/
[13:32] <foobarry> ption 1: Increase the track length of your Start circuit by over one metre, simply by adding C8527 Scalextric Start Straight Track Extension Pack.
[13:32] <foobarry> Option 2: Alternatively, incorporate the C8525 Scalextric Start Converter Track Pack and add any track piece from the full Scalextric range to enhance your new Scalextric Start set.
[13:33] <foobarry> so u miht be better off with a track like one i mentioned above
[13:33] <foobarry> i think the cars stick to the track a lot better than they did in the 80s
[13:33] <popey> http://www.scalextric.com/our-ranges-explained/
[13:34] <popey> "Compatible with standard Scalextric products"
[13:34] <foobarry> that needs a little asterisk i think
[13:34] <popey> how so?
[13:36] <foobarry> because it seems u need to get the special piece of track to connect the more child friendly start pieces to the standard pieces (option 2 ^^)
[13:36] <directhex> HOW MUCH?
[13:36] <foobarry> however that allows a whole section to be added
[13:36] <directhex> http://www.scalextric.com/shop/sets/digital/c1276-scalextric-digital-platinum/
[13:36] <foobarry> http://www.scalextric.com/_assets/images/cache/shops/productdetailsmain/C8525-Scalextric-Start-ConverterTrack-Pack-Guide(1).jpg
[13:37] <foobarry> this explains a bit: see the images http://www.scalextric.com/shop/track/straights-and-straight-borders/c8525-scalextric-start-converter-track-pack/
[13:37] <popey> so i am better off getting standard then
[13:37] <foobarry> directhex: overtaking and braking? this is for the grown ups !!
[13:38] <foobarry> i want this set
[13:38] <foobarry> i also learned that the lambo is a wicked car that all the pro competitors use
[13:39] <foobarry> i think the expense is also due to the fact u get a "Also included are two Porsche 997 cars, two Lamborghini Gallardo GT cars and two Audi R8 cars"
[13:40] <MartijnVdS> full-size ones?
[13:40] <ali1234> there are pro scaletric racers?
[13:40] <foobarry> for sure
[13:40] <foobarry> just like pro gamers
[13:40] <directhex> or pro badgers
[13:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Get a starter set with rugged cars.
[13:41] <foobarry> how old is sam
[13:41] <popey> 7
[13:41] <foobarry> i played with big boy scalextric at that age
[13:42] <foobarry> and beat the adults ..
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> We got ours a "raleigh" type set and the cars lasted well - longer than the kids enthusiasm for slot car racing ;-)
[13:42] <popey> i should buy a camera for the kids ㋛ http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/photography-blog/2013/dec/09/videre-pinhole-cardboard-camera-instagram
[13:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> And if your wife is anything like mine don't let her take the track apart!
[13:42] <popey> snappage?
[13:43] <foobarry> my enthusiasm lasted as long as i had competitors
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> bent connectors
[13:43] <popey> me and my brother played with it a lot
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> We did as kids too
[13:43] <AlanBell> we had loads of standard stuff, got a huge box of it from ebay but it all got given away to cousins in the end
[13:43] <popey> he had a bfair collection of cars
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> But then there was not much else then.
[13:43] <popey> hoop & stick
[13:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh you had a hoop too!
[13:47] <SuperMatt> I'm feeling a little cheated
[13:47] <gordonjcp> when I was wee, my mates and I tried playing hoop and stick with a tractor tyre
[13:47] <gordonjcp> I don't recommend it
[13:47] <SuperMatt> I just realised Bugsy Malone only signs in one of the songs in this whole movie.
[13:48] <SuperMatt> I wish I had that role rather than be Fizzy. I had to do a bloomin' solo!
[13:48] <gordonjcp> it's not a fun game, especially not the resounding bollocking you get for letting a tractor tyre run about a mile off down hill and smash a bunch of fences
[13:48]  * popey sends wifey a mail for approval
[13:48] <foobarry> purchase order approval process
[13:48] <foobarry> which set u thinking then?
[13:48]  * TheOpenSourcerer and the missus went to Hamley's on Saturday morning - bedlam.
[13:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> Didn't buy much was all a big rip off really.
[13:50] <SuperMatt> TheOpenSourcerer: bad idea
[13:50] <SuperMatt> and I could have told you that
[13:51] <SuperMatt> it's a tourist trap these days
[13:51] <foobarry> memorable experience for the kids though
[13:51] <foobarry> i remember when toysrus first opened in the UK, was amazing
[13:52] <directhex> gods i'm hungry
[13:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Some outlaws in America sent us an online Advent Calendar - After being hassled  twice by email (and presumably also email the sender of said calendar) about not having "opened" it yet, Helen tried last night. Minimum requirements: Windows. OSX and Adaobe Air. #fail
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> Adobe Air still exists?!
[13:53] <directhex> MartijnVdS, yes!
[13:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Apparently so.
[13:53] <MartijnVdS> I thought they killed it
[13:53] <directhex> MartijnVdS, air for linux is discontinued though
[13:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Air is a bit like Silverlight. Both unloved and not particularly useful.
[13:54] <directhex> a few good games use air
[13:54] <directhex> e.g. defender's quest
[13:55] <dwatkins> some apps do too.
[13:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> House of commons about to spend 8 hours sayinghow a great a bloke was can't hear it any more.
[13:56] <directhex> who cares about apps that are not games?
[13:57] <foobarry> zinio uses it
[13:57] <dwatkins> I certainly don't on my Windows machine. I play Kerbal Space Program and Homeworld on it.
[13:58] <dwatkins> Windows is just a toy to me.
[14:00] <directhex> dwatkins, KSP is on linux though
[14:10] <dwatkins> directhex: good point, yes
[14:11] <dwatkins> I play it on Windows because when I started playing I was also uploading a bunch of stuff to Bitcasa at the same time ;)
[15:33] <foobarry> is it better to add a voice track to a video before or after uploaded to youtubes
[15:33] <foobarry> thinking about sync issues
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> after will also cut out any other soundthe video may have
[15:34] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: before gives you more control
[15:35] <foobarry> it was a screencast
[15:36] <foobarry> (no sound)
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> I'd still add it locally
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> just to prevent sync issues, like you said
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> also, it allows you to upload to multiple services
[15:36] <MartijnVdS> not just youtube
[15:36] <foobarry> yeah
[15:36] <lornajane> I had this brilliant idea at the weekend to reinstall my laptop with newest ubuntu, and switch over to gnome
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> lornajane: gnome, not unity?
[15:37] <foobarry> so i need to narrate it while playing the video on my screen
[15:37] <lornajane> MartijnVdS: I guess this is unity?  Whatever happens by default (I'm normally an XFCE user)
[15:37] <foobarry> and mux it with..?
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> lornajane: it's probably unity then, with the buttons on the left side etc.?
[15:37] <lornajane> it seems quite overlay-ish and has icons at the left.  So unity?
[15:37] <lornajane> cool :)
[15:37] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: avconv or ffmpeg
[15:37] <foobarry> ta
[15:37] <lornajane> so, it is doing something to my menus
[15:37] <foobarry> MartijnVdS: have you tried elementary yet?
[15:37] <foobarry> :P
[15:38] <lornajane> you know how you can press Alt+f to get into a file menu in some applications?  I can't.
[15:38] <lornajane> I found that there's an Alt+f10 which sort of focuses the menu bars but then I still can't jump into a specfic menu
[15:38] <ali1234> you are supposed to use HUD
[15:38] <ali1234> tap alt and then type what you want
[15:39] <lornajane> I turned off the hud thing, it was just grabbing focus
[15:39] <lornajane> I thought my applications would still work without it
[15:40] <ali1234> they probably would work if you also disable global menu
[15:40] <lornajane> "turned off" <- actually I changed the keyboard shortcut
[15:40] <lornajane> ali1234: that sounds promising :)  How can I disable global menu, please?
[15:40] <lornajane> and will it stop the title bars getting into the start bar thing?
[15:40] <ali1234> the menus, yes
[15:41] <ali1234> i don't know how you disable it on recent versions
[15:41] <ali1234> i stopped using unity ages ago
[15:41] <lornajane> google probably knows, I'll look it up.  Thanks for the tip!
[15:42] <daftykins> how do you use dpkg to tell you what package names are installed? i think a mate has nvidia drivers on but want to confirm what source they came from
[15:42] <ali1234> apt-cache policy <whatever>
[15:42] <daftykins> ? surely that involves knowing the package name is on
[15:43] <ali1234> yeah
[15:43] <ali1234> try apt-cache policy nvidia-*
[15:43] <daftykins> oic
[15:45] <daftykins> this mates 12.04.3 optimus setup has decided to die a death today, it's hanging on /scripts/init-bottom
[15:53] <foobarry> why don't thinngs core dump as soon as you enable core :(
[15:54] <foobarry> ls
[15:54] <daftykins> #
[15:56] <AlanBell> I have a 3TB drive that worked fine in a computer, but doesn't work in a USB enclosure
[15:58] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6546392/
[15:58] <AlanBell> it is partitioned into two partitions, I think a 1TB and a 2TB partition
[15:58] <AlanBell> doesn't work on a raspberry pi, or my laptop, same error Dec  9 15:53:10 alanlaptop kernel: [62234.473890] sdb: p1 size 28599402496 extends beyond EOD, enabling native capacity
[15:59] <AlanBell> so when in the USB enclosure it thinks the disk size is something smaller than the partition sizes
[15:59] <ali1234> your USB enclosure is a bad one
[15:59] <popey> does it need to be GPT ?
[15:59] <ali1234> show full dmesg output...
[16:01] <daftykins> sounds like the enclosure can't handle the capacity
[16:01] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6546403/ fuller dmesg from the raspberry pi
[16:02] <AlanBell> it is a shiny new USB3 enclosure (not using it with USB3, but it supports it)
[16:03] <ali1234> the usb controller remaps the drive geometry
[16:03] <ali1234> your partition table is using 1024 byte blocks
[16:04] <ali1234> but the controller is using 4096 byte blocks
[16:04] <ali1234> the partition bounds are given in blocks
[16:05] <ali1234> or possibly you used 512b blocks
[16:06] <AlanBell> possibly
[16:06] <daftykins> sounds like an older utility partitioned an advanced format drive?
[16:07] <ali1234> http://askubuntu.com/questions/337693/how-to-format-a-4k-sector-hard-drive
[16:07] <ali1234> yeah
[16:07] <ali1234> this is the problem anyway. no idea how to fix it
[16:09] <daftykins> a friend is trying to run a package purge but apparently it's wanting to *download* some - why in the 'eck would that be? O_O
[16:10] <lornajane> ali1234: thanks for the HUD tip, I can kinda see what this feature is supposed to do now
[16:10] <ali1234> if package a depends on b|c, removing b might cause c to be installed?
[16:10] <ali1234> something like that anyway. dependencies
[16:11] <ali1234> if you're trying to remove and reinstall it, do install --reinstall instead
[16:11] <daftykins> nah his graphics setup seems to be completely knackered, so he's in recovery login trying to remove the nvidia and bumblebee packages
[16:12] <daftykins> but frustratingly he doesn't remember how he installed them in the first place to know how to undo it properly
[16:12] <ali1234> use jockey-cli
[16:13] <ali1234> or jockey-text
[16:13] <ali1234> eg jockey-text -l
[16:14] <daftykins> roger that, passing it on now
[16:14] <ali1234> weirdly enough, that says i'm not using nvidia driver. this isn't true
[16:14] <ali1234> so don't believe the output i guess :/
[16:14] <daftykins> erk
[16:15] <daftykins> he's on 12.04.3
[16:15] <ali1234> it does correctly identify that it is installed though
[16:17] <daftykins> does it talk in terms of nvidia-current or nvidia-xxx?
[16:17] <ali1234> nvidia-xxx
[16:18] <daftykins> he got org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connecte to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[16:19] <ali1234> oh dear
[16:19] <daftykins> is recovery mode doing something quirky?
[16:19] <ali1234> probably... like not running an X server
[16:19] <ali1234> or a system dbus session according to the error
[16:19] <daftykins> yeah the main issue is that boot was hanging, as X can't find any screens it seems
[16:19] <ali1234> well you should still get a console prompt
[16:19] <daftykins> i figured some updates he may've done had rendered his bumblebee setup kaput
[16:20] <ali1234> try disabling it in bios
[16:20] <ali1234> disable the nvidia chip
[16:20] <daftykins> you don't get options like that on every optimus system
[16:20] <ali1234> it should boot up as intel
[16:20] <ali1234> well, that sucks
[16:20] <daftykins> certainly not our model Asus laptop (i have the same but don't run Linux)
[16:20] <awilkins> I think I blacklisted the module for it
[16:20] <daftykins> he might've been able to get to a TTY but the screen was just staying on the splash i believe
[16:21] <awilkins> Since it was causing CPU thrash every 10 seconds because it was talking on the (really slow) I2C bus
[16:23] <daftykins> what's that?
[16:25] <awilkins> Nvidia module on an optimus chipset
[16:25] <awilkins> Think it just kept re-initializing
[16:26] <daftykins> ah
[16:26] <daftykins> i'm not really sure of the current situation with optimus
[16:26] <awilkins> Which needed it to talk to the hardware, which uses the I2C bus, which is reallllly slow, which means a lot of CPU sat there cycling waiting for vytes
[16:26] <awilkins> bytes
[16:26] <daftykins> i've been meaning to try it out on my laptop but... meh :D
[16:26] <awilkins> Yeah
[16:26] <awilkins> No problems with performance on Intel only
[16:26] <awilkins> No need to run snazzy 3Dness on my workstation
[16:27] <daftykins> i think they say the chip stays on unless you have some form of bumblebee on though?
[16:27] <awilkins> It would just make me more likely to play Minecraft
[16:27] <daftykins> nvidia chip i mean
[16:27] <awilkins> daftykins, Yeah it might well do, that's why I blacklisted the kernel module
[16:27] <daftykins> mm-hmm
[16:28] <awilkins> Maybe it doesn't turn the card off but the weird pauses stopped
[16:28] <daftykins> i think this friends setup is a fair bit broken
[16:28] <awilkins> It was intermittent
[16:28] <awilkins> Only when a particular kernel helper ended up with the same CPU core affinity as the nvidia module
[16:28] <awilkins> Special Developer Magic was required to diagnose
[16:29] <daftykins> :D
[16:34] <Azelphur> got myself an Enta.net account, aww ye.
[16:34] <daftykins> what'll that give?
[16:34] <Azelphur> daftykins: super high quality internets.
[16:34] <daftykins> that one your dad was gonna help you get?
[16:34] <Azelphur> yup
[16:35] <daftykins> vewy gewd!
[16:35]  * Azelphur waves goodbye to talktalk
[16:35] <Azelphur> got out of the 2y contract too
[16:35] <daftykins> :O
[16:35] <daftykins> how? frequent issues?
[16:35] <Azelphur> daftykins: yea, my dads kinda good at getting people out of contracts, and they sent an engineer to physically disconnect my phone line...twice
[16:35] <Azelphur> so it was pretty easy
[16:36] <Azelphur> (ie, they randomly sent an engineer for no reason, with my bills all fully paid)
[16:36] <daftykins> O_O
[16:36] <daftykins> that's a bit harsh
[16:36] <Azelphur> yup
[16:37] <daftykins> i'd go ape
[16:37] <Azelphur> the first time they did it I was without internet for a few days, engineer came to "fix" it and quickly found what had happened
[16:37] <Azelphur> told me if it happened again run outside
[16:37] <Azelphur> second time it happened, ran outside, caught the engineer at the box, he had my phone number written down in his book of lines to disconnect.
[16:37] <daftykins> O_O
[16:38] <daftykins> so somehow talktalk keep setting up a request to give you a bad time
[16:38] <Azelphur> indeed
[16:38] <daftykins> sounds like a great company :D
[16:38] <Azelphur> and their cleanfeed server keeps dragging down half the internet
[16:38] <Azelphur> which is great.
[16:38] <Azelphur> 2+ minutes to load an imgur page is getting real old real fast
[16:38] <daftykins> some kind of cacheing proxy?
[16:38] <Azelphur> daftykins: proxy for filtering child porn
[16:39] <daftykins> =/
[16:39] <daftykins> ridiculous
[16:39] <Azelphur> but of course they have to proxy the entire host (eg imgur) to stop it
[16:39] <Azelphur> so simply browsing reddit like a normal person is impossible
[16:39] <daftykins> probably healthy not to use such sites anyway ;)
[16:39] <daftykins> apart from the odd cute cat pic! :)
[16:40] <Azelphur> hehe
[16:40] <Azelphur> daftykins: wikipedia is also cleanfeeded.
[16:40] <daftykins> ugh, tell friend to remove nvidia-current
[16:40] <daftykins> he ignores and nukes nvidia* instead
[16:40] <daftykins> i feel like i'm in #ubuntu helping some challenging individual.
[16:41] <daftykins> i just have to deal with my ISP having changed us from PPPoA to PPPoE - which seems to not run so reliably so far
[16:41] <Laney> --yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing
[16:41] <Laney> Yes, do as I say!
[16:41] <Laney> "oh crap, now my system doesn't boot"
[16:41] <daftykins> :)
[16:47] <Laney> I think I haven't achieved full adulthood yet
[16:48] <Laney> The guy in the Christmas tree shop said "You do know this is 35 pounds, right?" to me
[16:48] <Laney> He looked very sceptical that I should be buying a tree at all
[16:50] <Myrtti> I still find it odd that people are propping up Christmas trees at this time
[16:50] <Myrtti> they're supposed to go up on Christmas eve!
[16:50] <daftykins> they are? D:
[16:50] <daftykins> i have no decorations at all ;x
[16:51]  * AlanBell has a tree up
[16:51] <SuperMatt> I need to get my decorations from my parents
[16:51] <Myrtti> (atleast in Finland - it's also a nice way to procrastinate and postpone Christmas to the last possible moment)
[16:51] <AlanBell> got it yesterday in Wales, they are expensive in Surrey
[16:51] <Laney> Now-ish is pretty normal ime
[16:51] <Myrtti> daftykins: don't feel bad, neither do we apart from one bronze reindeer candleholder that looks nice enough to be displayed round the year
[16:52] <Laney> yeah I don't have any either
[16:53] <daftykins> :D
[16:53] <daftykins> yay
[16:53] <daftykins> as long as i don't seem a scrooge i'm good
[16:53] <Laney> will buy some tonight / tomorrow, depending on what the supermarket has
[16:54] <daftykins> though it seems resolving all the boiler and property issues for winter will cost me more than enough!
[16:54] <Laney> aint living fun
[16:56] <daftykins> i've decided it's far too expensive
[16:57] <daftykins> come Thursday my parents are going to palm one of their three cats onto me as a trial run for the weekend D:
[16:57] <daftykins> if it works out i'll demand they pay maintenance :D
[16:57] <awilkins> Chrimbotrees. BAH HUMBUG
[16:58] <awilkins> All Christmas decorations are a royal PITA
[16:58] <daftykins> :D
[16:58] <Laney> print out a picture of a nicely decorated tree and stick it on the wall
[16:58] <Myrtti> http://www.pinterest.com/pin/439734351087213112/ <-- the candleholder
[16:58] <daftykins> ooh how cute, how tall is it Myrtti ?
[17:00] <Myrtti> daftykins: about 25cm
[17:01] <Myrtti> I have no idea how much it costs, it's silver coated
[17:01] <Myrtti> and quite heavy
[17:01] <daftykins> crikey
[17:02] <Myrtti> either 58€ or 98€
[17:02] <Myrtti> http://www.pentik.com/en/products/Pages/Product.aspx?Catalog=VCNK40&ProductID=1MES0480U01%28Pentik+Base+Catalog%29 http://www.pentik.com/en/products/Pages/Product.aspx?Catalog=VCNK40&ProductID=1MES0513U01%28Pentik+Base+Catalog%29
[17:09] <daftykins> getting that friend to remove nvidia and bumblebee fixed things enough to boot
[17:09] <daftykins> huzzah
[17:13] <SuperMatt> MooDoo: still no news! I'm dying a little inside :(
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> reminder.. someone had to take his pills
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> ma dec  9 19:00:27 CET 2013
[18:50] <DJones> MartijnVdS: Thanks, done