[00:02] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks like you're the one that changed it ....
[00:07] <Riddell> hah, force of habit
[00:08] <mikhas> :-)
[04:04] <new> hi?
[08:34] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:34] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, still awake?
[09:33] <Blizzz> is somebody packaging kdevelop 4.6 for 13.10?
[09:42] <yofel> Blizzz: shadeslayer
[09:44] <Blizzz> awesome :)
[10:22] <soee> good morning
[10:37] <apachelogger> bug 1259465 missing dep?
[11:56]  * Riddell mumbles that phonon's debconf setup is spooky voodoo
[11:59] <soee> ;o
[12:02] <Riddell> did anyone try kfilebox ?
[12:03] <Riddell> ScottK: do we have a policy for programmes that need to download other programmes to do anything?
[12:04] <soee> wasnt kfilebox dead ?
[12:07] <Riddell> soee: it's not been developed in a while but we've had requests for it and the code-in student did a package
[12:07] <Riddell> soee: do you use dropbox, are you able to assess it?
[12:07] <Riddell> it may be that being in a PPA is good enough
[12:13] <soee> Riddell, i have an account i think but im using copy.com
[12:13] <soee> they have QT client for it :)
[12:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you sure that kate licensing stuff is a problem?
[12:15] <apachelogger> sounds to me like dem things are plugins
[12:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: nah I took it back, it's not a problem cos its LGPL 2 only which can also be GPL 3
[12:16] <Riddell> I love that sneaky clause in LGPL 2 which says it can be GPL 2 or later
[12:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: just cos its a plugin still means it is a derived work
[12:18] <apachelogger> that depends on the interfaces TBH
[12:25] <Riddell> valorie: re your blog, is there still a need for kaffeine?
[12:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdelibs patch needs changes ... mustn't do heap access inside the crash handler
[12:28] <apachelogger> time to code the libc code ^^
[12:36] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:44] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6550888/ I write the fanciest of all crappy c code xD
[12:48] <Riddell> C is even more scary than c++
[12:48] <apachelogger> :(
[13:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: phonon4qt5 gstreamer backend installs .desktop file to /usr/share/kde4/services/phononbackends/gstreamer.desktop
[13:07] <Riddell> that doesn't seem right
[13:08] <apachelogger> BUG
[13:08] <apachelogger> actually I thought I had disabled that
[13:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: you need to pass -DPHONON_BUILD_PHONON4QT5=ON also for the backends
[13:09] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6551017/
[13:09] <Riddell> oh right you are
[13:10] <Riddell> very good
[13:36] <apachelogger> I have a feeling that I am right now working around my crappy code structure from 4 years ago :O
[13:40] <apachelogger> actually, I think this may need code review
[13:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: any comments on this? http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/phonon-backend-vlc-0.7.1.debdiff
[13:50] <apachelogger> +Recommends: vlc
[13:50] <apachelogger> why?
[13:50] <apachelogger> +Provides: phonon-backend
[13:50] <apachelogger> I think that virtual needs to change
[13:50] <Riddell> mm yes
[13:51] <apachelogger> or just drop the virtual stuff
[13:51] <Riddell> +Recommends: vlc   is just copy and paste from phonon-backend-vlc
[13:51] <apachelogger> I am not sure that makes sense
[13:52] <apachelogger> otherwise looks fine
[13:56] <apachelogger> Blizzz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6551241/ save to /usr/share/pyshared/synaptiks/monitors/mouses.py check if bug 737856 still happens, and if it does please post the traceback
[13:59] <Blizzz> apachelogger: does not crash anymore
[14:00] <Blizzz> apachelogger: today the stuff crashed when my laptop woke from  sleep.  shall i try whether this fixes it,  too?
[14:12] <apachelogger> Blizzzek: would be good I guess
[14:14] <shadeslayer> :(
[14:15] <shadeslayer> yofel_: you uploaded a new grantlee :(
[14:15] <shadeslayer> and I fixed kdevplatform to work with grantlee 0.3
[14:15] <Riddell> seems like new grantlee would be the way to go, 0.4 is out
[14:18] <apachelogger> quantal is still supported
[14:18] <apachelogger> what nonsense is that
[14:18] <apachelogger> brr
[14:20] <Riddell> 18 months so it is
[14:20] <Riddell> but we agreed not to do backports to it in Munich
[14:20] <apachelogger> well, to fix a bug in precise I kinda have to go through quantal
[14:20] <apachelogger> 5 uploads to get a fix in
[14:20] <apachelogger> -.-
[14:27] <Riddell> SRUs will need it yes
[14:27] <Riddell> speaking of which, I think I'll look at that Qt security issue now unless anyone knows of work being done on it
[14:36] <apachelogger> * Start synaptiks
[14:36] <apachelogger> * Enable the option 'Automatically switch off touchpad, if a mouse is plugged'
[14:36] <apachelogger> silliest test case ever
[14:36] <jtal604622> question about nepumok in 13.10,  seems slow and incomplete, i checked to make sure that its indexing all the folders i need, but if i type in a file name it seems to not be able to find it?
[14:38] <jtal604622> its a new install 5 days old, not sure if its a config issue at this point or if there is something else going on.  Even simple files it cannot locate easily
[14:39] <Riddell> jtal604622: support in #kubuntu
[14:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: a chain of synaptiks awainting sru for bug 737856 [precise, quantal, raring and saucy]
[14:43] <apachelogger> so sad
[14:43] <apachelogger> my brain is kaput now
[14:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'm going to update libkolabxml to 1.0.1 
[14:57] <shadeslayer> any objections?
[14:57] <shadeslayer> ( then going to update libkolab to 0.5 )
[14:57] <shadeslayer> ( possibly even merge from Debian if I can fix the FTBFS )
[14:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go for it
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: libkolab doesn't have any symbols, weird
[15:10] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1259577] Security: XML Entity Expansion Denial of Service @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1259577 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[15:19] <yofel_> shadeslayer: oops, sorry ^^
[15:19] <shadeslayer> Rohan Garg (rohangarg) cannot upload libkolabxml to Trusty/Release
[15:19] <shadeslayer> :(
[15:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you want the power of motu!
[15:20] <shadeslayer> Riddell: upload plz https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/libkolabxml_1.0.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[15:21] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can do
[15:21] <Riddell> xnox: you uploaded qtbase 5.0.2+dfsg1-7ubuntu12 but didn't commit to bzr?  do you know if that Add-workaround-for-GL-on-Android-emulator.patch is at all relevant in qt 5.2 (which is what's being worked on in bzr)
[15:23] <xnox> Riddell: please see patch headers, i believe there is a link to qt submission and thus you can check if it has been merged into 5.2 or not
[15:23] <Riddell> lovely
[15:23] <xnox> Riddell: it is absolutly needed to run Qt in the Android Emulator.
[15:24] <Riddell> jmux: "someone" should be you in this blog post? http://dilfridge.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/libreoffice-kde-integration.html
[15:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: still waiting for that libkolabxml upload :)
[15:50] <Riddell> oh sorry, internet here is crawling
[15:51] <shadeslayer> So Scottland is still village-like as compared to London? *runs away*
[15:54] <Riddell> this office is, my home has much faster ineternet
[15:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not want to add symbols files?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> not right now
[15:56] <Riddell> I seem to remember having troubles with them in the past
[15:56] <shadeslayer> I'll try and add them in a later upload, but lets update it first
[15:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: uploaded
[15:56] <shadeslayer> thx
[16:11] <Blizzz> apachelogger: needed to leave, i try it out soon
[16:13] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1259577] Security: XML Entity Expansion Denial of Service @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1259577 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[16:17] <BluesKaj> the brightness in control power management disappeared after the latest upgrade ...nice :/
[16:18] <shadeslayer> this is totally weird http://pastebin.kde.org/pf3kgvn7u
[16:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ?
[16:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: querying version via python/C++ doesn't give me a version string
[16:22] <apachelogger> read documentation maybe
[16:22] <shadeslayer> querying it over qdbus works
[16:22] <apachelogger> dat python code is using the session bus
[16:22] <apachelogger> while your qdbus call is using the system bus
[16:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: doesn't matter, available on both busses, same thing with systembus
[16:23] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.kde.org/p0brmjotq
[16:25] <apachelogger> welll, the query also looks wrong
[16:25] <shadeslayer> I've been thinking about what's wrong in my query, but I haven't be able to figure it out
[16:26] <shadeslayer> nothing jumps out
[16:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what looks wrong to you?
[16:28] <apachelogger> you call property but in your qdbus call you manually get
[16:28] <apachelogger> also that property name
[16:28] <apachelogger> not sure that will work
[16:29] <shadeslayer> well, I have no clue how else one is supposed to read properties with qdbus
[16:29] <apachelogger> qdbus --system com.ubuntu.Upstart /com/ubuntu/Upstart com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.version
[16:29] <apachelogger> Error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied
[16:30] <apachelogger> so I'm going to guess that your pycode also gets access denied
[16:30] <shadeslayer> how so
[16:30] <shadeslayer> it's calling property
[16:30] <shadeslayer> not ::call()
[16:30] <shadeslayer> http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qdbusinterface.html
[16:30]  * Riddell cheers as 4.0.3 goes into saucy-proposed
[16:30] <shadeslayer> " Finally, properties are accessed using the QObject::property() and QObject::setProperty() functions."
[16:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: 4.0.3 ? 0.o
[16:31] <Riddell> and bluedevil 1.3.2
[16:32] <apachelogger> >>> print(upstartinterface.lastError().message())
[16:32] <apachelogger> The name com.ubuntu.Upstart was not provided by any .service files
[16:32] <apachelogger> ^^
[16:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you don't want ot use that interface anyway
[16:33] <apachelogger> it does runtime introspection
[16:33] <apachelogger> which is a) sync b) slow
[16:33] <shadeslayer> your computer is broken http://pastebin.kde.org/p8ztmyv0x
[16:33] <Riddell> just use apt-cache policy :)
[16:33] <shadeslayer> in C++ code ? :O
[16:34] <shadeslayer> I'm just using python to demonstrate the issue I'm having in powerdevil :)
[16:34] <apachelogger> ah that was with session bus
[16:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yeah, but you get access denied if you directly call the property interface
[16:35] <apachelogger> which is likely what happens inside the pycode as well
[16:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: actually I don't get access denied
[16:35] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:35] <shadeslayer> wait, I do
[16:35]  * apachelogger throws keyboard
[16:37] <Ruka> boa tarde - hello
[16:37] <Riddell> hi Ruka 
[16:37] <Ruka> tudo bem
[16:38] <Ruka> oi Riddell
[16:38] <Ruka> it's all right, Riddell
[16:39] <Riddell> Ruka: how can we help?
[16:40] <Ruka>  new kubuntu, debian wore,
[16:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: totally looks like a bug in upstart TBH... why would it work via .Get but not through the interface directly
[16:40] <apachelogger> kinda silly
[16:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: on that note ...to work around it you can probably dispatch manual qdbusinterface::call() calls to the Get function
[16:42] <shadeslayer> mhmm trying that
[16:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: doesn't work here
[16:46] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.kde.org/pytbn2goh
[16:47] <apachelogger> ?
[16:47] <apachelogger> probably because there is no qdbusmessage::isvalid... just like what the error message said?
[16:48] <shadeslayer> how so, call is supposed to return a QDBusReply
[16:50] <apachelogger> QDBusMessage	call ( const QString & method, const QVariant & arg1 = QVariant(), const QVariant & arg2 = QVariant(), const QVariant & arg3 = QVariant(), const QVariant & arg4 = QVariant(), const QVariant & arg5 = QVariant(), const QVariant & arg6 = QVariant(), const QVariant & arg7 = QVariant(), const QVariant & arg8 = QVariant() )
[16:50] <apachelogger> maybe you should call it day? :P
[16:50] <shadeslayer> o_o
[16:51] <shadeslayer> well, my 2 hour slot for this particular issue is winding down
[16:51] <shadeslayer> have another 30 minutes
[16:51] <apachelogger> if you keep hacking like that you most certainly aint gonna make it :P
[16:52] <shadeslayer> heh, I have more QDBus maddness afterwards
[16:53] <shadeslayer> my C++ kcm communicates with a python dbus service which returns a{sa{sv}} in dbus types
[16:53] <shadeslayer> where v = QString sometimes and a QVariantMap sometimes
[16:53] <shadeslayer> that's going to be fun to parse on the C++ side
[16:54] <apachelogger> eh
[16:54] <apachelogger> actually marshalling is pretty straight forward
[16:54] <apachelogger> it's just ugly code most of the time
[16:55] <shadeslayer> oh, how would one marshall a type that is a string for one key and a map for another key
[16:55] <apachelogger> you'll have to manually do it
[16:55] <apachelogger> well
[16:56] <apachelogger> technically it doesn't matter since you can statically marshall to QVariant
[16:56] <apachelogger> or dbusvariant if that exists, and then decide elsewhere what type youc an cast it to
[16:56] <apachelogger> which is generally what a variant is used for
[16:57] <shadeslayer> I see, I know that key 'a' will have a string value whereas key 'b' will have map value
[16:57] <shadeslayer> I can just cast it to a String/Map and it'll work?
[16:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.kde.org/pzxijhuyt
[16:57] <apachelogger> that's how variants work, yes
[16:57] <shadeslayer> sample data
[16:58] <apachelogger> otherwise you'd have to write your own marshal
[16:58] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/view/head:/src/libs/MarshalArgs.h#L27
[16:58] <shadeslayer> okay, I'll try it, but I'm skeptical since I vaguely recall doing casting and it didn't work
[16:58] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apachelogger/ubuntuone-client/gsoc/view/head:/src/libs/Folder.cpp#L120
[16:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: regarding the property, any thoughts? Or does it look like a bug in Upstart to you?
[16:59] <apachelogger> basically that entire source tree is 50% converting complex dbus types into cpp objects ^^
[16:59] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think it's a bug either interface should work or not work, I'd talk to someone about that
[16:59] <shadeslayer> ack
[17:00] <apachelogger> since there's no polkit action for upstart access though I doubt that access denied is actually intended
[17:00] <apachelogger> but who knows
[17:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: but then it doesn't work via session bus as well
[17:00] <apachelogger> it's not registered on session bus
[17:00] <shadeslayer> qdbus  com.ubuntu.Upstart /com/ubuntu/Upstart com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6.version
[17:00] <shadeslayer> works for me
[17:01] <apachelogger> which makes sense, because it's a system wide daemon 
[17:01] <shadeslayer> eh
[17:01] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.kde.org/paywtbadj
[17:01] <apachelogger> may be that trusty's upstart can also register on the session
[17:01] <shadeslayer> possibly
[17:01] <apachelogger> saucy's cannot :P
[17:01] <apachelogger> for lack of dbus service file
[17:02] <apachelogger> alas, that's how a session registration would work I guess ... dbus service starts pseudo interface which is just a pass through to the system interface
[17:02] <apachelogger> e.g. if you'd want to prevent direct query to the system service (which woudl explain the access denied) you'd have to do that
[17:03] <apachelogger> security wise it would make sense
[17:03] <apachelogger> as I said.. talk to someone about that :P
[17:04] <BluesKaj> alright! Brightness ctrl back in PM , and mesa experimental provides OpenGL ,Raster and dir and some simple desktop effects like desktop cube animation switching 
[17:04] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: python3 is even more fun
[17:04] <shadeslayer> >>> upstartinterface = QDBusInterface("com.ubuntu.Upstart", "/com/ubuntu/Upstart", "com.ubuntu.Upstart0_6",QDBusConnection.sessionBus())
[17:04] <shadeslayer> >>> print(upstartinterface.property("version"))
[17:04] <shadeslayer> None
[17:05] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[17:05] <apachelogger> I'd not get old up on that manual query nonsense
[17:05] <apachelogger> you want a static interface
[17:06] <apachelogger> like here http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/D-Bus/Accessing_Interfaces#Is_This_the_Best_Way.3F_2
[17:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: okay, can you expect that to work? instead of QDBusInterface?
[17:10] <apachelogger> no, because I get access denied :P
[17:11] <apachelogger> if you don't get access denied with qdbus on the session bus I'd go with a compiletime interface
[17:11] <shadeslayer> I do not
[17:11] <apachelogger> you could just as well only have that version property in your xml
[17:12] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6552117/
[17:12] <apachelogger> then you don't need to mess with complex types and all that
[17:12] <apachelogger> right
[17:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nah, complex types is for DriverManager
[17:12] <shadeslayer> the KCM is in C++ and is communicating with a python script that exposes ubuntudrivers over dbus
[17:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just comment out everything but the version, convert to class, try to use
[17:12] <shadeslayer> ack
[17:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why do you play with upstart then?
[17:13] <apachelogger> I am confused :P
[17:13] <apachelogger> anyway
[17:13] <apachelogger> compiletime interfaces are easy to create
[17:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so that we can drop pm-utils and use logind on Kubuntu
[17:13] <shadeslayer> for suspending and what not
[17:13] <apachelogger> in fact IMO easier than the manual rubbish because you know the internal bits will be correct ^^
[17:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: just use qdbus?
[17:14] <apachelogger> or are you striving for a more general solution
[17:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: for powerdevil?
[17:14] <apachelogger> because if not just kprocess the qdbus call
[17:14] <shadeslayer> I'd like to upstream the patch
[17:14] <shadeslayer> so yeah
[17:15] <apachelogger> then you definitely want the compile time interface
[17:15] <apachelogger> as mentioned... the runtime API does runtime introspection which is runtime slow
[17:15] <apachelogger> and blocking
[17:15] <apachelogger> so you'd deadlock kded again
[17:15] <apachelogger> and then people start to cry rivers again
[17:15] <apachelogger> ...
[17:16] <apachelogger> tdlr: mustn't use qdbusinterface in kded rubbish ^^
[17:16] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: one last question
[17:16] <shadeslayer> wait
[17:17] <apachelogger> no I will not marry you
[17:17] <shadeslayer> /o\
[17:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where does one specify the first part of the dbus interface? ( com.ubuntu.Upstart in our case )
[17:19] <apachelogger> in the xml
[17:19] <apachelogger> see kcm-whoopsie
[17:19] <shadeslayer> ack
[17:28] <apachelogger> top 6 whoopsie crashers in 13.10 are fixed in 14.04 \o/
[17:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: that works
[17:45] <shadeslayer> the dbus adaptor stuff
[17:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: and how do you find out the top crashers for kubuntu specifically?
[19:17] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1259577] Security: XML Entity Expansion Denial of Service @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1259577 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[19:29] <amichair> Riddell: 4.11.3 didn't go well for me, I added a comment on bug #1247235
[19:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[20:03] <Riddell> amichair: oh?
[20:04] <Riddell> amichair: you say from PPA, this needs testing from the archive
[20:04] <Riddell> from -proposed
[20:09] <amichair> Riddell: oh, they're not the same?
[20:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: hm?
[20:17] <shadeslayer> nothing
[20:17] <shadeslayer> I went mental over qt4_add_dbus_interface
[20:17] <apachelogger> ^^
[20:17] <shadeslayer> apparently needs to be called *before* kde4_add_ui_files
[20:17] <apachelogger> also top crashers: filter for packages assigned to kubuntu-bugs
[20:17] <shadeslayer> calling it afterwards just screws over anything
[20:17] <shadeslayer> ack
[20:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you know how to install a python script to /usr/bin and mark it as executable using cmake?
[20:25] <shadeslayer> nvm
[20:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.kde.org/przdm58rp
[20:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: line 81
[20:30] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.kde.org/p73hrk6lt
[20:30] <Blizzz> apachelogger: does not fix the crash after wake up
[20:35]  * shadeslayer has a headache
[20:35] <shadeslayer> cya
[20:38] <Riddell> amichair: who knows? that's what needs testing
[20:38] <amichair> Riddell: hehe... so u can ignore my comment in that case. But I really hope it won't happen again...
[20:40] <amichair> Riddell: I thought the packages were promoted from the ppa to proposed to updates or something like that, but I guess I was wrong :-)
[20:41] <Riddell> amichair: yes but mistakes can happen
[20:51] <apachelogger> Blizzz: backtrace please
[20:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: static_cast?
[20:52] <apachelogger> what?
[20:53] <apachelogger> https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qvariant.html#value
[20:53] <apachelogger> with variants you never ever cast
[21:05] <Blizzz> apachelogger: meh, where do i get it from? the blue-stained bug-thingy was not helpful aka disappeared 
[21:06] <apachelogger> start from terminal
[21:11] <Quintasan> \o
[21:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: /home/shadeslayer/sauce/Kubuntu/kcm-driver-manager/src/Module.cpp:81:98: error: expected primary-expression before ‘>’ token
[21:15] <shadeslayer>          QMap<QString, QMap<QString, bool>> test = mapmap.value<QMap<QString, QMap<QString, bool>>>("drivers");
[21:20] <Quintasan> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708
[21:20] <Quintasan> christ
[21:21] <Quintasan> 800 posts and still nothing 
[21:23] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1259577] Security: XML Entity Expansion Denial of Service @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1259577 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[21:24] <shadeslayer> ah hmm
[22:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: they should toss a coin
[22:59] <Quintasan> Riddell: That sounds like a good idea.
[22:59] <Quintasan> btw. clean Saucy install feels good
[23:00] <Quintasan> mmkay, gotta get a new HDD and I can finally make some LVM magic to get my working env in order
[23:20] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[23:20] <_Groo_> ping yofel_
[23:20] <_Groo_> ping schmidtm
[23:20] <_Groo_> ping ScottK
[23:21] <_Groo_> anyone alive
[23:22] <_Groo_> unless im blind, kdebase-workspace is MIA in the backports ppa
[23:22] <_Groo_> its giving strange results in the kubuntu 4.12 rc
[23:22] <Riddell> kdebase-workspace went away some time ago
[23:22] <Riddell> kde-workspace is sticking at 4.11
[23:22] <Riddell> what problem is it causing?
[23:22] <_Groo_> Riddell: hey riddell long time no see :)
[23:23] <_Groo_> run alt-f2
[23:23] <_Groo_> scroll down below the visible list
[23:23] <_Groo_> you will see the listing is missing the clickable buttons
[23:23] <_Groo_> this is for the entire desktop
[23:24] <_Groo_> something broke in the kwin or plasma refresh beyond the visible screen
[23:24] <_Groo_> it was/is working fine if you revert from 4.12 to 4.11
[23:24] <_Groo_> aka 4.11.97
[23:26] <_Groo_> can you replicate what i just reported?
[23:26] <Riddell> krunner working fine for me
[23:27] <_Groo_> so, you run krunner, click on the wrench icon, scroll down the visible list, and the buttons are all there?
[23:28] <_Groo_> you arent missing the information and clickable boxes?
[23:28] <Riddell> ah I see, some of the "i" buttons are missing until you move the mouse over them
[23:28] <_Groo_> until you click over them
[23:29] <_Groo_> click on one of the items
[23:29] <_Groo_> you will see it was missing theleft button too
[23:29] <_Groo_> this is desktop wide
[23:29] <_Groo_> can be a pain in our empathy client
[23:29] <_Groo_> since the updated friends list wont update until you click on them
[23:29] <_Groo_> and so on and so on
[23:30] <_Groo_> aparently someone forgot to add a refresh in kwin or something
[23:30] <_Groo_> or its plasma
[23:30] <_Groo_> i dont really know
[23:32] <Riddell> well I guess the thing to do is like any bug see if it appears in other distros and if it does report it upstream
[23:37] <_Groo_> i cant check other distros
[23:37] <_Groo_> i tried googling for it
[23:37] <_Groo_> but its a mess to search
[23:37] <_Groo_> how am i gonna do with such generic keys as: dropdown list doesnt show up unless i click on it, plasma? kwin? :D
[23:38] <_Groo_> i tried to parse bugs.kde
[23:38] <_Groo_> nothing similar showing up
[23:38] <_Groo_> i remember the kwin guy did a good scrub in 4.12
[23:39] <_Groo_> it might be such a stupid thing as a lack of offscreen refresh