[00:09] <belkinsa> Hey all, I heard that work got done today on the wiki.
[00:09] <knome> oops :)
[00:10] <knome> hey belkinsa; slowly but steadily...
[00:10] <slickymaster> well, speaking for myself I'm ashamed to say that it wasn't that much
[00:10] <slickymaster> knome, good, you're here
[00:11] <belkinsa> That's good to hear.  Slow and steady is what we need.
[00:11] <belkinsa> Even with a Jam.
[00:11] <knome> slickymaster, when am i not?
[00:12] <slickymaster> that's the million dollar question ;)
[00:12] <belkinsa> slickymaster: Does NewDocs have a IRC channel or is not needed?
[00:12] <slickymaster> regarding the links merge and particularly the categories issue
[00:13] <slickymaster> were you thinking just main categories or were you thinking on diving deep within those main categories
[00:13] <knome> whatever seems natural
[00:14] <slickymaster> no it doesn't belkinsa, mainly because the rest of the team isn't used, or ever has tried, irc
[00:15] <slickymaster> knome, ok, the way I see it, I'll have to force a little structure downwards in some of them
[00:15] <knome> that's fine
[00:15] <slickymaster> like in hardware for instance
[00:15] <slickymaster> ok
[00:16] <belkinsa> Would be a bad suggestion to suggest it?  Or would the UF/mailing-list (of the team) be still fine?
[00:16] <knome> fortunately we're not working with printing presses and hard and close deadlines
[00:16] <knome> (i hate that)
[00:17] <slickymaster> Yes, today I had a major failure on a Oracle database and waste pretty much my day trying to solve it just to admit that I had to put into production the last available update
[00:17] <knome> heh. :)
[00:17] <knome> that's reversible
[00:18] <knome> "we need a new ad... the deadline was 24 hours ago, can you make it in the next 15 minutes?"
[00:18] <knome> that's not.
[00:18] <slickymaster> yeah, but there's always a terrible headache associated with
[00:19] <slickymaster> belkinsa, I think it would be a fabulous suggestion. The UF/mailing list drives me crazy, believe me :P
[00:20] <belkinsa> On it.
[00:20] <slickymaster> :)
[00:20] <slickymaster> you see why you are regarded as too valuable asset?
[00:20] <slickymaster> ;)
[00:20] <belkinsa> Yes, I do.
[00:25] <belkinsa> Sent and i hope that made sense
[00:26] <slickymaster> give a sec,
[00:26] <slickymaster> ah just in
[00:26] <slickymaster> replying
[00:27] <belkinsa> Thank you for your support on this suggestion.
[00:36] <slickymaster> belkinsa, thank you for that brilliant idea
[00:51] <belkinsa> Not a problem.
[01:08] <slickymaster> cy tomorrow guys and gals
[01:17] <belkinsa> See ya.
[02:07] <cprofitt> hello all
[02:10] <belkinsa> Evening to you.
[02:11] <cprofitt> how are you doing belkinsa ?
[02:12] <belkinsa> I'm tried and busy...working on a online final that is do at midnight today.  Looking for SNPs in a gene.
[02:14] <cprofitt> sounds complicated, but interesting
[02:16] <belkinsa> Yeah, without the proper software, it's not fun.  And the BLAST datebase program that's online doesn't have the freature that I need.  It seems to only work on Windows.
[02:16] <cprofitt> that would make it difficult
[02:17] <belkinsa> Yeah, I had to get the SNPs that are present in our "class" population from a class mate.
[02:17] <belkinsa> But I know my winter break project will be.  Learn how to use UGENE.
[02:17] <cprofitt> would have thought that such applications would not require WIndows
[02:18] <belkinsa> Yeah...I bet BLAST runs on Linux.
[02:18] <cprofitt> http://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Blast.cgi
[02:18] <belkinsa> yeah, I know.
[02:19] <belkinsa> It seems to be missing the  Query sequence part
[02:19] <belkinsa> http://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Blast.cgi?PAGE_TYPE=BlastSearch&BLAST_SPEC=OGP__9606__9558
[02:19] <cprofitt> http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
[02:19] <cprofitt> it is running Linux
[02:20] <belkinsa> Ha, was right but then again everything runs on Linux
[02:20] <belkinsa> ;)
[02:21] <cprofitt> ftp://ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/blast/executables/blast+/LATEST/
[02:21] <cprofitt> looks like you could run it in Linux, Windows, or OS X
[02:21] <cprofitt> no .deb but there is an RPM
[02:21] <belkinsa> Interesting.
[02:21] <belkinsa> And usefull
[02:22] <cprofitt> the tar.gz might work too
[02:22] <belkinsa> It could but that's something that I will do in the next few days.  I need to finish this final. Thanks for your help.
[02:22] <cprofitt> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK52640/
[02:23] <cprofitt> yeah... best of luck
[02:23] <belkinsa> Thanks.
[02:23] <belkinsa> And sorry for having this in this channel, if it matters.
[02:23] <cprofitt> yeah, it was off-topic
[02:23] <cprofitt> my apology too
[02:24] <cprofitt> very interesting stuff though
[02:24] <belkinsa> Yeah.
[02:24] <cprofitt> back to looking at the wiki
[02:24] <belkinsa> Have fun.  ;)
[03:07] <cprofitt> hey knome
[03:52] <cprofitt> hey philipballew
[03:52] <philipballew> cprofitt, hey cprofitt . How is life these days?
[03:52] <cprofitt> good, good... you?
[03:53] <philipballew> cprofitt, No complaints. just enjoying life in San Diego. How's New York treating you?
[04:09] <cprofitt> cold
[04:15] <philipballew> cprofitt, yeah, it hit 50 here today so I had to put a jacket on...
[04:15] <philipballew> coldest it has been in a while!
[04:16] <philipballew> How is the Linux world treating you. Up to anything fun?
[04:36] <cprofitt> the world is treating me ok... including the Linux world
[04:40] <cprofitt> night all
[08:39] <knome> cprofitt, hey :) that was a bit late for me, and this is a bit late for you :)
[11:29] <slickymaster> knome: ping
[11:30] <slickymaster> knome: do you mind terribly if I make a change in the wording on the middle box of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[11:30] <knome> slickymaster, not at all
[11:31] <slickymaster> knome: thing is that presently the Most popular post boxes refers to posts rather than pages
[11:31] <slickymaster> I think the proper term should be "pages"(!) Posts are what we do in forums and on blogs. Pages are what we have in wikis
[11:32] <slickymaster> I just wnat to change from Most popular post to most popular pages in the box tittle
[11:32] <slickymaster> do I have your ok?
[11:33] <slickymaster> knome: ^^
[11:38] <slickymaster> knome: went ahead and proceeded with the change in the wording
[12:07] <slickymaster> knome: about the merging of the links in those four pages. In the the cases that two sub-pages are presented don't you think I can go ahead and just insert the main page in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox to later we work on?
[12:08] <slickymaster> knome:  here's an example, we have http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lpic1-v3-103-1/index.html and http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lpic1-v3-103-3/index.html
[12:09] <slickymaster> knome: I was thinking of just adding http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/ to the collection of links I'm building. what do you think?
[12:12] <slickymaster> knome: and there's even a third sub-page http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-bash/index.html
[12:38] <cprofitt> knome: hello
[12:38] <cprofitt> hey slickymaster
[12:39] <slickymaster> morning cprofitt
[16:59] <knome> slickymaster, yes yes ;)
[17:00] <knome> slickymaster, yes, sounds fair to consider linking only the "top" page
[17:00] <slickymaster> knome: it's a hell of a task I have to tell you :)
[17:01] <knome> yep.
[17:01] <slickymaster> my eyes are going ballistic
[17:02] <knome> :)
[17:05] <knome> i guess we could pick one or two of the CLI companions/cheat sheets
[17:12] <slickymaster> knome: I think you should do the picking after I've finished (there's only two pages left for me to do, one of them being the signpost, which I consider not so complicated)
[17:13] <slickymaster> knome: then we'll be in a better position to make any kind of judgment calls on what to leave, based on redundancy acuracy of content, etc
[17:13] <slickymaster> knome: what do you think?
[17:20] <knome> have you done working with LinksMergeSandbox for now?
[17:27] <slickymaster> knome: what do you mean exactly?
[17:27] <knome> can i poke around or do you want to keep the edit locks yourself? ;)
[17:28] <slickymaster> knome: of course you can the edit might be locked because I'm currently working on it
[17:28] <knome> so you haven't done working ;)
[17:28] <knome> i'll let you continue then, i'll do other things meanwhile
[17:29] <knome> bbl
[17:29] <slickymaster> knome: ok
[17:29] <slickymaster> we'll talk later
[18:16] <slickymaster> knome: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandLineResources and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ExternalGuides are done with, only remaining https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Links and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Signpost to be worked
[18:16] <slickymaster> so feel free to poke around
[18:22] <knome> aahh, you did it like that.
[18:22] <knome> clever.
[18:23] <cprofitt> thanks slickymaster
[18:23] <cprofitt> knome: I thik I deleted about 15 pages yesterday
[18:23] <slickymaster> cprofitt: np
[18:23] <knome> cprofitt, i saw :)
[18:23] <slickymaster> knome: like how?
[18:24] <knome> slickymaster, you separated them in the categories straight
[18:24] <knome> that's cool, np
[18:24] <slickymaster> knome: yeah, we had agree on that, haven't we?
[18:24] <slickymaster> agreed
[18:25] <knome> i wouuld have done that in a different way, but that's cool as well
[18:25] <knome> whatever suits you :)
[18:25] <slickymaster> knome: I'm all hears to suggestions
[18:25] <slickymaster> ;)
[18:26] <knome> slickymaster, well you did it already
[18:26] <knome> i would have simply:
[18:26] <knome> copy all pages and make a LOOOONG page with all the links
[18:26] <knome> then categorise
[18:26] <knome> you did it page by page, directly separating them
[18:26] <knome> which le(a)d(s) to the same outcome
[18:27] <slickymaster> knome: yes, pretty much
[18:27] <slickymaster> knome: one thing though, I've just checked a few of the target links
[18:28] <knome> that's fine
[18:28] <knome> i'm actually just checking them
[18:28] <slickymaster> so I'm not sure if same of them still live or even if they still to the intended page
[18:28] <knome> and seeing how new they are
[18:28] <knome> etc
[18:28] <slickymaster> knome: what I spoke about this morning
[18:28] <cprofitt> you can always undelete a deleted page
[18:28] <slickymaster> yeah
[18:29] <cprofitt> using the AbandonedPages helps too -- you can see if a page is not linked before merging / editing
[18:29] <cprofitt> I have not found a way to report on linkes going to a particular page though
[18:31] <belkinsa> Wait, you can undelete a page?
[18:31] <cprofitt> yes
[18:31] <belkinsa> Is there a time limit to how long you have?
[18:31] <cprofitt> not that I am aware of
[18:32] <belkinsa> Okay.
[18:32] <cprofitt> it works the same way reverting does
[18:32] <belkinsa> I see.
[18:32] <slickymaster> belkinsa, they're on a server so it's assumable they are nor really deleted
[18:32] <knome> cprofitt, click the page title
[18:33] <belkinsa> Gotcha.  And that's a good thing.  Undeletable pages.
[18:33] <belkinsa> I mean, you know what a meant there.
[18:33] <cprofitt> knome: ?
[18:34] <knome> cprofitt, go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs
[18:34] <knome> cprofitt, click the title "NewDocs"
[18:34] <cprofitt> belkinsa: you just click on info an dyou see the previous versions
[18:34] <knome> cprofitt, be shown a list with pages that link to NewDocs
[18:34] <cprofitt> knome: cool.
[18:34] <cprofitt> that is good to know
[18:34] <knome> yep
[18:34] <belkinsa> Yeah, I know about the info page.
[18:34] <cprofitt> that makes this much easier.
[18:34] <knome> and now check the url
[18:35] <belkinsa> Had to do it yesterday
[18:35] <cprofitt> belkinsa: when you delete a page it still has the information... the lates version shows a size of 0
[18:35] <knome> cprofitt, i guess you can check any pagename, even if the page didn't exist
[18:35] <cprofitt> knome: see the url... full search action
[18:35] <knome> just replace the value GET parameter
[18:35] <cprofitt> yep, I would guess
[18:35] <slickymaster> wow knome, didn't knew about that one. That's pretty cool
[18:36] <belkinsa> Thank you.  Maybe one day, I will apply be a wiki admin.
[18:37] <cprofitt> belkinsa: I am an admin and I still don't know a great many of these things
[18:37] <cprofitt> it is more about being careful than knowing stuff
[18:37] <slickymaster> leaving and learning :)
[18:38] <slickymaster> *living
[18:38] <belkinsa> Yup
[18:38]  * slickymaster needs to refresh his eyes
[18:39] <belkinsa> Same.
[18:39] <belkinsa> See ya all around
[18:39] <cprofitt> interesting... I click on the title on the wiki.ubuntu.com and I do not get the search
[18:40] <knome> cprofitt, it's not enabled there
[18:40] <knome> at least in the same way...
[18:40]  * cprofitt nods
[18:40] <cprofitt> suspected as much
[18:47] <cprofitt> with all this wiki activity I took the time to update my personal wiki
[18:47] <knome> :)
[18:47] <cprofitt> didn't want people to find it and see that it was out of date.
[18:48] <slickymaster> you could risk it to be deleted by knome
[18:48] <knome> ;)
[18:48] <knome> not if it's in wiki.ubuntu.com
[18:48] <knome> slickymaster, i updated the page
[18:48] <slickymaster> yeah just kidding
[18:49] <slickymaster> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox?
[18:49] <knome> i'm not kidding... it might get deleted if it's a peronal page in help.ubuntu.com
[18:49] <knome> slickymaster, yep
[18:50] <slickymaster> TBO, I'm not being able to see your changes. What were they?
[18:50] <knome> ctrl+shift+R
[18:50] <knome> i added comments after the links
[18:50] <knome> comments that should be visible in the page
[18:50] <cprofitt> I deleted several personal pages on help.ubuntu.com/community
[18:50] <knome> cprofitt, i deleted quite a lot...
[18:50] <slickymaster> Yeah, see them now
[18:51] <knome> hoping that will help us decide what to keep
[18:52] <slickymaster> knome: how did you get that info? from where?
[18:52] <knome> i went to the page and... looked
[18:52] <slickymaster> damn, you do work fast ;)
[18:53] <knome> ;)
[18:53] <knome> i'm thinking if we really need man-like stuff?
[18:53] <knome> i mean, why not just link to man?
[18:53] <knome> or create a page that tells one how to use man
[18:53] <knome> we could keep one of the two wallpapers/cheat sheets
[18:53] <knome> preferably the first one, that looks better
[18:54] <slickymaster> agree, and there are several similar situations
[18:54] <knome> yep
[18:54] <knome> i mean... bleh, man-like stuff never was really helpdul
[18:54] <knome> helpful
[18:54] <slickymaster> there are a lot of links to CLI usage, and they basically end up with the same type of content
[18:55] <knome> yep
[18:55] <knome> there was one that looked nice
[18:55] <knome> but i forgot which it was
[18:55] <knome> i'll remember by the url though
[18:55] <knome> i'll continue with my digging, bbiab
[18:55] <slickymaster> either that or we'll have to check one by one
[18:55] <slickymaster> :P
[18:56] <slickymaster> knome, cprofitt, well, gotta run for now. Have to pick up my kid at school. Will return after dinner
[21:38] <slickymaster> night all
[21:38] <belkinsa> See ya
[21:39] <slickymaster> hi, belkinsa
[21:39] <belkinsa> Hey there.
[21:40] <slickymaster> belkinsa, what do you meant by  setting up the OP stuff in the newdocs mailing?
[21:41] <belkinsa> OP =operators.  But was referring to when the main one is gone in case the channel picks up spam or something.
[21:42] <slickymaster> yeah, I know what OP stands for
[21:42] <slickymaster> but that's a good question and one I don't have answer for
[21:43] <belkinsa> But if you look at this channel, there is no ChanSev or an OP around
[21:43] <belkinsa> ChanServ*
[21:43] <slickymaster> !ChanServ
[21:43] <ubot2> Factoid 'ChanServ' not found
[21:44] <slickymaster> yeah, apparently not
[21:45] <belkinsa> Anyways...I created the room #newdocs if you don't mind.
[21:45] <slickymaster> I'll discuss it with Unit123 or lderan in #xubunto-off
[21:45] <slickymaster> of course not
[21:45] <slickymaster> do you know how to set up the public logs for it?
[21:45] <belkinsa> Unit123 (if he is Unit192) would know for sure
[21:45] <belkinsa> I don't
[21:46] <belkinsa> 193*
[21:46] <slickymaster> it's Unit193
[21:46] <slickymaster> yeah, that one
[21:46] <belkinsa> Yeah, he should know.  And I think he lives near me.
[21:47] <slickymaster> I'll solve it with him
[21:47] <slickymaster> Ohio?
[21:47] <belkinsa> Yup.
[21:47] <belkinsa> I think he lives north west of me.
[21:47] <slickymaster> I image it's a big state
[21:47] <belkinsa> It's medium and we are scattered around it
[21:48] <belkinsa> As the LoCo.
[21:48] <belkinsa> Er, off-topic again.
[21:48] <slickymaster> :)
[21:48] <belkinsa> I won't mind if we talk in #newdocs
[22:19] <slickymaster> belkinsa, did you saw I said about the logs in #newdocs?
[22:19] <belkinsa> Yes
[22:19] <slickymaster> did you locked the channel?
[22:19] <belkinsa> Yeah
[22:20] <slickymaster> LOL
[22:21] <slickymaster> we'll get the hang of it
[22:21] <belkinsa> Yeah
[22:21] <belkinsa> I will