[00:09] Hey all, I heard that work got done today on the wiki. [00:09] oops :) [00:10] hey belkinsa; slowly but steadily... [00:10] well, speaking for myself I'm ashamed to say that it wasn't that much [00:10] knome, good, you're here [00:11] That's good to hear. Slow and steady is what we need. [00:11] Even with a Jam. [00:11] slickymaster, when am i not? [00:12] that's the million dollar question ;) [00:12] slickymaster: Does NewDocs have a IRC channel or is not needed? [00:12] regarding the links merge and particularly the categories issue [00:13] were you thinking just main categories or were you thinking on diving deep within those main categories [00:13] whatever seems natural [00:14] no it doesn't belkinsa, mainly because the rest of the team isn't used, or ever has tried, irc [00:15] knome, ok, the way I see it, I'll have to force a little structure downwards in some of them [00:15] that's fine [00:15] like in hardware for instance [00:15] ok [00:16] Would be a bad suggestion to suggest it? Or would the UF/mailing-list (of the team) be still fine? [00:16] fortunately we're not working with printing presses and hard and close deadlines [00:16] (i hate that) [00:17] Yes, today I had a major failure on a Oracle database and waste pretty much my day trying to solve it just to admit that I had to put into production the last available update [00:17] heh. :) [00:17] that's reversible [00:18] "we need a new ad... the deadline was 24 hours ago, can you make it in the next 15 minutes?" [00:18] that's not. [00:18] yeah, but there's always a terrible headache associated with [00:19] belkinsa, I think it would be a fabulous suggestion. The UF/mailing list drives me crazy, believe me :P [00:20] On it. [00:20] :) [00:20] you see why you are regarded as too valuable asset? [00:20] ;) [00:20] Yes, I do. [00:25] Sent and i hope that made sense [00:26] give a sec, [00:26] ah just in [00:26] replying [00:27] Thank you for your support on this suggestion. [00:36] belkinsa, thank you for that brilliant idea [00:51] Not a problem. [01:08] cy tomorrow guys and gals [01:17] See ya. [02:07] hello all [02:10] Evening to you. [02:11] how are you doing belkinsa ? [02:12] I'm tried and busy...working on a online final that is do at midnight today. Looking for SNPs in a gene. [02:14] sounds complicated, but interesting [02:16] Yeah, without the proper software, it's not fun. And the BLAST datebase program that's online doesn't have the freature that I need. It seems to only work on Windows. [02:16] that would make it difficult [02:17] Yeah, I had to get the SNPs that are present in our "class" population from a class mate. [02:17] But I know my winter break project will be. Learn how to use UGENE. [02:17] would have thought that such applications would not require WIndows [02:18] Yeah...I bet BLAST runs on Linux. [02:18] http://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Blast.cgi [02:18] yeah, I know. [02:19] It seems to be missing the Query sequence part [02:19] http://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Blast.cgi?PAGE_TYPE=BlastSearch&BLAST_SPEC=OGP__9606__9558 [02:19] http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://blast.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov [02:19] it is running Linux [02:20] Ha, was right but then again everything runs on Linux [02:20] ;) [02:21] ftp://ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/blast/executables/blast+/LATEST/ [02:21] looks like you could run it in Linux, Windows, or OS X [02:21] no .deb but there is an RPM [02:21] Interesting. [02:21] And usefull [02:22] the tar.gz might work too [02:22] It could but that's something that I will do in the next few days. I need to finish this final. Thanks for your help. [02:22] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK52640/ [02:23] yeah... best of luck [02:23] Thanks. [02:23] And sorry for having this in this channel, if it matters. [02:23] yeah, it was off-topic [02:23] my apology too [02:24] very interesting stuff though [02:24] Yeah. [02:24] back to looking at the wiki [02:24] Have fun. ;) [03:07] hey knome [03:52] hey philipballew [03:52] cprofitt, hey cprofitt . How is life these days? [03:52] good, good... you? [03:53] cprofitt, No complaints. just enjoying life in San Diego. How's New York treating you? [04:09] cold [04:15] cprofitt, yeah, it hit 50 here today so I had to put a jacket on... [04:15] coldest it has been in a while! [04:16] How is the Linux world treating you. Up to anything fun? [04:36] the world is treating me ok... including the Linux world [04:40] night all [08:39] cprofitt, hey :) that was a bit late for me, and this is a bit late for you :) [11:29] knome: ping [11:30] knome: do you mind terribly if I make a change in the wording on the middle box of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ [11:30] slickymaster, not at all [11:31] knome: thing is that presently the Most popular post boxes refers to posts rather than pages [11:31] I think the proper term should be "pages"(!) Posts are what we do in forums and on blogs. Pages are what we have in wikis [11:32] I just wnat to change from Most popular post to most popular pages in the box tittle [11:32] do I have your ok? [11:33] knome: ^^ [11:38] knome: went ahead and proceeded with the change in the wording [12:07] knome: about the merging of the links in those four pages. In the the cases that two sub-pages are presented don't you think I can go ahead and just insert the main page in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox to later we work on? [12:08] knome: here's an example, we have http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lpic1-v3-103-1/index.html and http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lpic1-v3-103-3/index.html [12:09] knome: I was thinking of just adding http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/ to the collection of links I'm building. what do you think? [12:12] knome: and there's even a third sub-page http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-bash/index.html [12:38] knome: hello [12:38] hey slickymaster [12:39] morning cprofitt [16:59] slickymaster, yes yes ;) [17:00] slickymaster, yes, sounds fair to consider linking only the "top" page [17:00] knome: it's a hell of a task I have to tell you :) [17:01] yep. [17:01] my eyes are going ballistic [17:02] :) [17:05] i guess we could pick one or two of the CLI companions/cheat sheets [17:12] knome: I think you should do the picking after I've finished (there's only two pages left for me to do, one of them being the signpost, which I consider not so complicated) [17:13] knome: then we'll be in a better position to make any kind of judgment calls on what to leave, based on redundancy acuracy of content, etc [17:13] knome: what do you think? [17:20] have you done working with LinksMergeSandbox for now? [17:27] knome: what do you mean exactly? [17:27] can i poke around or do you want to keep the edit locks yourself? ;) [17:28] knome: of course you can the edit might be locked because I'm currently working on it [17:28] so you haven't done working ;) [17:28] i'll let you continue then, i'll do other things meanwhile [17:29] bbl [17:29] knome: ok [17:29] we'll talk later [18:16] knome: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommandLineResources and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ExternalGuides are done with, only remaining https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Links and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Signpost to be worked [18:16] so feel free to poke around [18:22] aahh, you did it like that. [18:22] clever. [18:23] thanks slickymaster [18:23] knome: I thik I deleted about 15 pages yesterday [18:23] cprofitt: np [18:23] cprofitt, i saw :) [18:23] knome: like how? [18:24] slickymaster, you separated them in the categories straight [18:24] that's cool, np [18:24] knome: yeah, we had agree on that, haven't we? [18:24] agreed [18:25] i wouuld have done that in a different way, but that's cool as well [18:25] whatever suits you :) [18:25] knome: I'm all hears to suggestions [18:25] ;) [18:26] slickymaster, well you did it already [18:26] i would have simply: [18:26] copy all pages and make a LOOOONG page with all the links [18:26] then categorise [18:26] you did it page by page, directly separating them [18:26] which le(a)d(s) to the same outcome [18:27] knome: yes, pretty much [18:27] knome: one thing though, I've just checked a few of the target links [18:28] that's fine [18:28] i'm actually just checking them [18:28] so I'm not sure if same of them still live or even if they still to the intended page [18:28] and seeing how new they are [18:28] etc [18:28] knome: what I spoke about this morning [18:28] you can always undelete a deleted page [18:28] yeah [18:29] using the AbandonedPages helps too -- you can see if a page is not linked before merging / editing [18:29] I have not found a way to report on linkes going to a particular page though [18:31] Wait, you can undelete a page? [18:31] yes [18:31] Is there a time limit to how long you have? [18:31] not that I am aware of [18:32] Okay. [18:32] it works the same way reverting does [18:32] I see. [18:32] belkinsa, they're on a server so it's assumable they are nor really deleted [18:32] cprofitt, click the page title [18:33] Gotcha. And that's a good thing. Undeletable pages. [18:33] I mean, you know what a meant there. [18:33] knome: ? [18:34] cprofitt, go to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NewDocs [18:34] cprofitt, click the title "NewDocs" [18:34] belkinsa: you just click on info an dyou see the previous versions [18:34] cprofitt, be shown a list with pages that link to NewDocs [18:34] knome: cool. [18:34] that is good to know [18:34] yep [18:34] Yeah, I know about the info page. [18:34] that makes this much easier. [18:34] and now check the url [18:35] Had to do it yesterday [18:35] belkinsa: when you delete a page it still has the information... the lates version shows a size of 0 [18:35] cprofitt, i guess you can check any pagename, even if the page didn't exist [18:35] knome: see the url... full search action [18:35] just replace the value GET parameter [18:35] yep, I would guess [18:35] wow knome, didn't knew about that one. That's pretty cool [18:36] Thank you. Maybe one day, I will apply be a wiki admin. [18:37] belkinsa: I am an admin and I still don't know a great many of these things [18:37] it is more about being careful than knowing stuff [18:37] leaving and learning :) [18:38] *living [18:38] Yup [18:38] * slickymaster needs to refresh his eyes [18:39] Same. [18:39] See ya all around [18:39] interesting... I click on the title on the wiki.ubuntu.com and I do not get the search [18:40] cprofitt, it's not enabled there === FlannelKing is now known as Flannel [18:40] at least in the same way... [18:40] * cprofitt nods [18:40] suspected as much [18:47] with all this wiki activity I took the time to update my personal wiki [18:47] :) [18:47] didn't want people to find it and see that it was out of date. [18:48] you could risk it to be deleted by knome [18:48] ;) [18:48] not if it's in wiki.ubuntu.com [18:48] slickymaster, i updated the page [18:48] yeah just kidding [18:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox? [18:49] i'm not kidding... it might get deleted if it's a peronal page in help.ubuntu.com [18:49] slickymaster, yep [18:50] TBO, I'm not being able to see your changes. What were they? [18:50] ctrl+shift+R [18:50] i added comments after the links [18:50] comments that should be visible in the page [18:50] I deleted several personal pages on help.ubuntu.com/community [18:50] cprofitt, i deleted quite a lot... [18:50] Yeah, see them now [18:51] hoping that will help us decide what to keep [18:52] knome: how did you get that info? from where? [18:52] i went to the page and... looked [18:52] damn, you do work fast ;) [18:53] ;) [18:53] i'm thinking if we really need man-like stuff? [18:53] i mean, why not just link to man? [18:53] or create a page that tells one how to use man [18:53] we could keep one of the two wallpapers/cheat sheets [18:53] preferably the first one, that looks better [18:54] agree, and there are several similar situations [18:54] yep [18:54] i mean... bleh, man-like stuff never was really helpdul [18:54] helpful [18:54] there are a lot of links to CLI usage, and they basically end up with the same type of content [18:55] yep [18:55] there was one that looked nice [18:55] but i forgot which it was [18:55] i'll remember by the url though [18:55] i'll continue with my digging, bbiab [18:55] either that or we'll have to check one by one [18:55] :P [18:56] knome, cprofitt, well, gotta run for now. Have to pick up my kid at school. Will return after dinner === jono is now known as Guest63303 [21:38] night all [21:38] See ya [21:39] hi, belkinsa [21:39] Hey there. [21:40] belkinsa, what do you meant by setting up the OP stuff in the newdocs mailing? [21:41] OP =operators. But was referring to when the main one is gone in case the channel picks up spam or something. [21:42] yeah, I know what OP stands for [21:42] but that's a good question and one I don't have answer for [21:43] But if you look at this channel, there is no ChanSev or an OP around [21:43] ChanServ* [21:43] !ChanServ [21:43] Factoid 'ChanServ' not found [21:44] yeah, apparently not [21:45] Anyways...I created the room #newdocs if you don't mind. [21:45] I'll discuss it with Unit123 or lderan in #xubunto-off [21:45] of course not [21:45] do you know how to set up the public logs for it? [21:45] Unit123 (if he is Unit192) would know for sure [21:45] I don't [21:46] 193* [21:46] it's Unit193 [21:46] yeah, that one [21:46] Yeah, he should know. And I think he lives near me. [21:47] I'll solve it with him [21:47] Ohio? [21:47] Yup. [21:47] I think he lives north west of me. [21:47] I image it's a big state [21:47] It's medium and we are scattered around it [21:48] As the LoCo. [21:48] Er, off-topic again. [21:48] :) [21:48] I won't mind if we talk in #newdocs [22:19] belkinsa, did you saw I said about the logs in #newdocs? [22:19] Yes [22:19] did you locked the channel? [22:19] Yeah [22:20] LOL [22:21] we'll get the hang of it [22:21] Yeah [22:21] I will