[04:46] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[05:35] <Private_User> morning all, morning nuvolari 
[05:37] <kbmonkey> hello o/
[05:38] <Private_User> hello kbmonkey 
[05:43] <kbmonkey> hi Private_User - anything new going on?
[05:43] <Private_User> nothing at the moment
[05:44] <Private_User> off to CPT in a few hrs, any suggestions of must see places?
[05:45] <kbmonkey> yes, if you like some hiking activity there is a trail up Lion's Head to the top
[05:45] <kbmonkey> you se the whole basin from up there
[05:46] <SilverCode> Private_User: there are busses that go point to point around historic places in Cape Town along routes called the Blue Route and Red Route
[05:46] <SilverCode> Private_User: if I recall, they were pretty cheap
[05:46] <SilverCode> Private_User: and well worth it
[05:46] <SilverCode> you hop on a bus, go to a location, hop off, spend as much time there as you want, get back on the next buss passing by etc
[05:47] <kbmonkey> best is if you have a car also don't forget to go check out the fynbos!
[05:47] <Private_User> Thanks cool stuff will maybe try it cause gonna do all the other usual stuff people do as well like robben island, table montain, etc
[05:47] <Private_User> yeah will be renting a car
[05:47] <Private_User> my first CPT trip :)
[05:47] <SilverCode> Robin Island is well worth it ... but I wonder how busy it will be with recent events
[05:53] <kbmonkey> ah those hop on-off busses are cool, yes.
[05:53] <kbmonkey> went to so many places in CT I can't remember all of it, feels so long ago!
[05:53] <kbmonkey> it is well worth driving along the coast to the national reserve
[05:54] <kbmonkey> I remember stopping along the ways, looking at the views, even saw whales off the coast!
[05:55] <Private_User> cool stuff thanks kbmonkey, SilverCode I will be sure to use your suggestions
[05:56] <kbmonkey> oh and if you do wine, you have to visit the farms :]
[06:00] <kbmonkey> Private_User, how long are you going for ?
[06:01] <Private_User> kbmonkey:  returning Sunday
[06:02] <kbmonkey> ah, well enjoy! there is so much to see!
[06:02] <Private_User> thanks
[06:02] <kbmonkey> sigh, I give up on google plus. nothing ever loads.
[06:04] <Private_User> btw questions whats the difference between Zorin and Ubuntu, I see its based on Ubuntu?
[06:05] <Private_User> my frind wants to install that on his machine because the evironment is very similar to Windows
[06:05] <Private_User> and he is very new to Linux
[06:05] <kbmonkey> I wouldn't know really, best read their site for more info
[06:06] <kbmonkey> I would try all the distros if I could download them XD
[06:09] <nuvolari> oh hi kbmonkey, Private_User, SilverCode,
[06:10] <Kilos> ohi kbmonkey and others
[06:10] <Kilos> listen to the falling rain, listen to it fall
[06:10] <Private_User> hiya Kilos and nuvolari 
[06:11] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[06:11] <Kilos> môre nuvolari 
[06:15]  * kbmonkey hears rain
[06:15] <kbmonkey> started reading Spook Country, William Gibson
[06:16] <kbmonkey> just finished the walking dead, rise of the Governor
[06:16] <kbmonkey> zombies! gaargh mrh?
[06:16] <Kilos> hehe
[06:18] <kbmonkey> I go be a zombie at work now
[06:18] <kbmonkey> enjoy the rain Kilos - it is raining here too
[06:20] <Kilos> ty kbmonkey have a good day
[06:22] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:22] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, toooo
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peoples
[06:41] <superfly> aloha
[06:42] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[07:15] <Squirm> hi
[07:15] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[07:20] <Kilos> morning drussell 
[07:20] <Kilos> where are you today?
[07:28] <drussell> Kilos: Beijing :oD
[07:31] <Kilos> sjoe
[07:31] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:31] <Vince-0> Hi
[07:51] <Private_User> cheers guys I am off to catch my flight
[07:51] <Kilos> go well Private_User 
[07:52] <Private_User> thanks Kilos
[07:53] <inetpro> good morning
[07:53] <Kilos> morning inetpro reen lekker ne
[07:54] <inetpro> hi Kilos
[07:54] <inetpro> yep, baie lekker
[07:57] <Kilos> ai! power flicking
[08:09] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/93063-e-tolls-will-be-scrapped-duvenhage.html
[08:59] <charl> good morning !
[08:59] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:59]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[09:03] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[09:09] <SilverCode> I wish people in my office made me coffee :(
[09:34] <Kilos> hi charl SilverCode 
[09:34] <Kilos> Maaz, wheres my coffee
[09:34] <Maaz> You snooze you lose Kilos
[09:34] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[09:34]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:35] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:35] <Kilos> and tal0n 
[09:38] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[09:39] <Kilos> Maaz, dankie
[09:39] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[09:40] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:41] <psyatw> maaz: hello!
[09:41]  * Maaz waves to psyatw
[09:41] <psyatw> :)
[09:42] <charl> hi SilverCode 
[09:42] <charl> hi Kilos 
[09:42] <charl> hi psyatw 
[09:42] <psyatw> hi charl
[09:42] <charl> i'm playing with github right now... you can do some really cool stuff with github pages
[09:42] <charl> it's based off a tool which they released as open source called jeckyll
[09:43] <charl> takes a bunch of templates and markdown files and creates nice clean html files for you
[13:16] <SilverCode> anyone know much about apache config?
[13:22] <confluency> Maybe. What's your question?
[13:23] <SilverCode> I'm trying to get SSL certs working for a subdomain
[13:24] <SilverCode> the key has been signed to allow the subdomain
[13:24] <SilverCode> but going tp https://www.xyz.com shows the default site as expected
[13:25] <SilverCode> and going to https://app.xyz.com doesn't, it shows the same as www.xyz.com
[13:25] <SilverCode> yet http://app.xyz.com show the right thing
[13:25] <SilverCode> it is like for SSL Apache isn't directing the client to the correct VirtualHost
[13:26] <Vince-0> check the port number on the virtualhost config?
[13:27] <SilverCode> port number looks correct
[13:28] <Vince-0> <Virtualhost *:443>  ?
[13:29] <SilverCode> yup
[13:45] <SilverCode> looks like you can't have 2 Virtual Hosts running on the same machine with SSL
[13:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> you need SNI to support multiple SSL vhosts on the same IP:port combination
[13:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/NameBasedSSLVHostsWithSNI, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication
[13:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> biggest hiccup with that these days is that Windows XP users will have a problem, but that gets to be less and less of an issue every day
[13:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> we have a few clients using it
[14:20] <SilverCode> well the virtual hosts that I want the SSL for is within the same domain
[14:20] <SilverCode> which according to http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/NameBasedSSLVHosts is possible
[14:20] <SilverCode> but it just refuses to actually work :(
[14:29] <SilverCode> YAY! finally got it working
[14:29] <SilverCode> not sure how though
[14:29] <SilverCode> but it works
[14:29] <SilverCode> so I'm going to stop messing with it now
[14:29] <Kilos> yay, write down what you had to do
[14:29] <Kilos> well done
[14:30] <SilverCode> Sadly I don't know what I did
[14:30] <Kilos> rofl
[14:30] <SilverCode> and hopefully next time around our admin will be the one dealing with this shit, not me
[14:31] <Kilos> backup your settings and stuff
[14:31] <SilverCode> next up, getting the re-directs working and holding thumbs that the code doesn't break like it did last time
[14:31] <Kilos> no chance, they see you can do it , so its your job in the future
[14:32] <SilverCode> Kilos: luckily the Admin actually works *for* me, so he has to do it next time :)
[14:32] <SilverCode> he just couldn't do it this time because he is busy with other things
[14:33] <Kilos> aha
[14:58] <tal0n> hi everyone
[14:58] <Kilos> hows tal0n 
[14:59] <tal0n> hi Kilos, well tx! self?
[14:59] <Kilos> good ty
[15:01] <tal0n> i'm playing around with shell scripting and want to add a progress bar / spinner thingy while performing a 'sudo apt-get update -qq' in the background... anyone have some ideas?
[15:03] <Kilos> if you lucky someone will help you later, they all on the way home now methinks
[15:03] <tal0n> lol thanks, will ask later again ;)
[15:04] <Kilos> what is the --qq for?
[15:04] <tal0n> makes the update quiet (like copying without -v)
[15:05] <Kilos> ah you dont like seeing things
[15:06] <Kilos> im too nosy, like to watch it all the way
[15:06] <tal0n> actually just trying to learn some scripting and an it gives me a reason to implement a progress bar. the man pages for apt-get say its not actually a good idea to use -qq
[15:06] <tal0n> lol i do to
[15:06] <Kilos> lol
[15:13] <charl> hi Private_User 
[15:14] <Private_User> hi charl
[15:14] <Kilos> yo
[15:14] <Private_User> I am using the hotels free wi-fi
[15:14] <Private_User> :)
[15:14] <Kilos> lekker
[15:15] <Kilos> where are you?
[15:15] <Private_User> Cape Town
[17:36] <Kilos> tal0n, 
[17:36] <Kilos> google how to add a progress bar to sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:36] <Kilos> ai!
[17:37] <Kilos> Maaz, google how to add a progress bar to sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:37] <Maaz> Kilos: "Parsing output of apt-get install for progress bar - Stack Overflow" http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1692082/ :: "View progress of a package installation in terminal - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/245808/view-progress-of-a-package-installation-in-terminal :: "command line - Unity progress bar for gnome-terminal? - Ask Ubuntu"
[17:37] <Maaz> http://askubuntu.com/questions/296457/unity-progress-bar-for-gnome-terminal :: "chrismwayne" http://chr…
[17:38] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn hows neelsie
[17:38] <nlsthzn> alo :)
[17:38] <nlsthzn> I be ok
[17:51] <charl> hi nlsthzn 
[17:52] <kbmonkey> hello o/
[17:58] <tal0n> lol thanks Kilos 
[17:58] <Kilos> yw
[17:59] <kbmonkey> what's up?
[18:00] <Kilos> hi kbmonkey he wants to add a progress bar to apt-get upgrade
[18:02] <nlsthzn> hello all... sorry @ work so it goes helter skelter for PC time :p
[18:02] <Kilos> np
[18:04] <kbmonkey> it already shows progress in % yeah?
[18:05] <kbmonkey> maybe aptitude shows one
[18:09] <tal0n> my question earlier was more of a learning exercise... learning shell scripting and want to add progress bars while the script is running something that takes a while like copying / updating etc
[18:11] <kbmonkey> yes that is an interesting topic tal0n 
[18:11] <kbmonkey> for your own scripts I assume
[18:12] <kbmonkey> for updating screens often the curses library is very nice
[18:12] <kbmonkey> it has controls like inputs and progress bars, for cli
[18:12] <tal0n> yes kbmonkey for my own
[18:12] <kbmonkey> there is a python curses wrapper that I use
[18:13] <tal0n> not familiar with curses but will check it out thanks!
[18:14] <kbmonkey> for bash see the package 'dialog'
[18:14] <kbmonkey> or python-dialog for the wrapper
[18:14] <tal0n> thanks!
[18:16] <kbmonkey> yw tal0n - you can see its web page at http://invisible-island.net/dialog/dialog.html :)
[18:20] <tal0n> ty. also, lets say for example i want to make  script that checks for updates and then does x if there are updates  and y if not..?
[18:23] <kbmonkey> there is some apt-foo command that returns updates available tal0n - I cant recall what it is, an optional package you have to install first
[18:24] <kbmonkey> I think ubuntu used to install it by default as part of its update manager
[18:24] <kbmonkey> not sure if ubuntu still uses that though
[18:25] <tal0n> cool tx will do some more googling ;)
[18:25] <kbmonkey> not sure how far you will get wrapping up apt, never thought of that before!
[18:26] <tal0n> lol was the first example that came to mind... just trying to learn some bash scripting basics
[18:26] <kbmonkey> I may have that line in an old conky config somewhere... lets see
[18:26] <kbmonkey> oh lol, okay I see
[18:27] <tal0n> have some time to kill at work ;)
[18:27] <kbmonkey> that is actually a bit beyond bash basics, you might have a harder time to do that :)
[18:27] <kbmonkey> but not impossible
[18:27] <tal0n> ah. a bit ambitious then?
[18:27] <tal0n> lol
[18:28]  * nlsthzn smacks bash that turns around and bash's nlsthzn
[18:28] <tal0n> ahaha
[18:29] <kbmonkey> oh you are in luck , i found an old script uses apt-check
[18:30] <kbmonkey> package update-notifier contains the apt-check command ;)
[18:31] <tal0n> awesome!
[18:31] <tal0n> tx
[18:32] <kbmonkey> this was my script http://pastebin.com/vnJrMumD
[18:33] <tal0n> what is $U?
[18:34] <kbmonkey> a variable. it stores the result of the apt-check output
[18:35] <tal0n> lol my bad, i see you defined it just before ;) 
[18:36] <tal0n> and the     2>&1   ?
[18:36] <kbmonkey> oh that? that is magic. lol
[18:36] <kbmonkey> 2>&1 is bash redirection
[18:37] <tal0n> haha! 
[18:37] <kbmonkey> I found that from this here document - http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html
[18:37] <Kilos> eish tal0n you jumping in on the deap end
[18:37] <Kilos> deep too
[18:38] <Kilos> hows kbmonkey ?
[18:38] <tal0n> lol
[18:38] <kbmonkey> you can change where output or errors redirect to ;)
[18:38] <tal0n> that looks like a guide that i can use. thanks kbmonkey!
[18:39] <kbmonkey> so 'ls 1>/dev/null' will send the output to binary null space, so nothing prints ;p
[18:39] <kbmonkey> oh tal0n you might even like the beginners guide!
[18:39] <kbmonkey> http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html
[18:40] <kbmonkey> I worked through much of that, how I learn the most XD
[18:40] <tal0n> maybe thats a better start lol
[18:40] <tal0n> will keep me busy ;)
[18:41] <kbmonkey> it sure does! I go back to that often ;)
[18:41] <kbmonkey> yes Kilos it is like a very deep pool, with penguins and things
[18:41] <Kilos> lol
[18:42] <kbmonkey> and monkeys
[18:42] <tal0n> haha
[18:50]  * nlsthzn will be back
[18:51] <Kilos> i go crash now. night all. sleep tight
[18:52] <kbmonkey> ah nite kilos
[18:52] <kbmonkey> oh man I have so much to learn about networking!
[18:52] <kbmonkey> it hurts my brain sometimes
[18:54] <tal0n> cheers Kilos
[18:58] <tal0n> yes but very interesting (networking)