| andrzejr | ask ofourdan? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| ochosi | yeah, a direct email might help | 00:11 |
| andrzejr | ali1234, reported that cairo issue in https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=72551 | 00:11 |
| ubottu | Freedesktop bug 72551 in xlib backend "X/RENDER error with blend mode operators" [Normal,New] | 00:11 |
| ali1234 | hmm i htink i figured it out | 00:13 |
| ochosi | you did? | 00:18 |
| ali1234 | maybe | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | i need to write a test program or something | 00:20 |
| ochosi | is notifyd not good enough? | 00:20 |
| ali1234 | well it's outside my control | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | weirdly, this does not happen with my test program... | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | does xfce-notifyd use gtk2 or gtk3? | 00:30 |
| ali1234 | maybe it never was a bug in gtk2 | 00:31 |
| ochosi | gtk2 | 00:33 |
| ali1234 | hmmmm | 00:33 |
| ali1234 | that gtk patch got reverted anyway | 00:33 |
| ali1234 | hmm, that patch is bonkers, actually | 00:35 |
| ali1234 | so... xfwm4 must be doing something... silly | 00:35 |
| ali1234 | er, i mean the notifyd | 00:35 |
| ochosi | so rather than being a corner-case with xfwm4, it's a bug in notifyd? | 00:36 |
| ali1234 | both probably | 00:38 |
| ali1234 | this is super confusing | 00:39 |
| ali1234 | every window has TAKE_FOCUS | 00:41 |
| ali1234 | but for most windows this doesn't cause a problem | 00:41 |
| ali1234 | maybe because the client doesn't quit... hmm | 00:41 |
| ochosi | so if i understand you correctly, the focus goes back to the next instead of back to the "previous" window after notifyd exits | 00:42 |
| ali1234 | er... kind of, but no | 00:43 |
| ali1234 | notifyd opens a window, focus doesn't change | 00:44 |
| ali1234 | notifyd closes window, focus jumps to "top most" window | 00:44 |
| ali1234 | when really it should stay the same | 00:44 |
| ali1234 | but i can't reproduce this with a test program, so it's not caused by that gtk bug | 00:44 |
| ali1234 | if i just open a window with no focus it doesn't happen | 00:44 |
| ali1234 | so it must be something else | 00:45 |
| ochosi | sounds like it's notifyd specific then | 00:46 |
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| ochosi | g2g, night everyone | 00:47 |
| ali1234 | ah ha | 00:47 |
| ali1234 | it's one of the other hints that does it... | 00:47 |
| ali1234 | night :) | 00:47 |
| ali1234 | keep_above | 00:48 |
| ali1234 | yeah, it happens if the window is no_focus and keep_above | 00:49 |
| ali1234 | ok, so i guess i was totally looking in the wrong place all this time | 00:49 |
| ali1234 | argh... this is a tricky one | 01:11 |
| ali1234 | right, i see the problem | 01:12 |
| ali1234 | if a window with above and no accept focus opens on a different layer to the current focus, it triggers a spurious focus change event | 01:13 |
| ali1234 | anyone know where i can find the old svn for xfwm4? | 02:30 |
| ali1234 | oh, nvm, it's all on the git | 02:33 |
| ali1234 | hmm... actually i need the old cvs :( | 02:45 |
| ali1234 | ok, so #gtk+ clued me in on how to fix the focus stealing in a better way | 05:09 |
| ali1234 | fixed it in xfce4-notifyd | 05:09 |
| ali1234 | the focus code in xfwm4 has so many workarounds and dodgy hacks i don't even know where to start | 05:09 |
| ali1234 | anyway, by using override-redirect on the notify windows, this stops the window manager from seeing them at all. and so they don't interfere with anything | 05:10 |
| elfy | skellat: when you're about later today can you ping me please | 08:08 |
| ochosi | ali1234: that sounds quite reasonable, can't think of a reason the notifications should steal the window focus at all | 09:02 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: hey there! was pretty much afk over the weekend so i'm just looking at the prefs in the xfdesktop-docs now | 09:30 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: as you don't seem to be here now, i'll write up my thoughts/notes on a separate wiki page | 09:33 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: for my comments, see http://smdavis.us/doku/doku.php?id=xfdesktop-docs:preferences:comments | 09:50 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: great work on the prefs, there are just some issues we need to iron out, we can also discuss the transparent-option together when we're both around | 09:51 |
| lderan | good morning all :D | 10:01 |
| bluesabre | ali1234: that would fix one of my biggest gripes :) | 10:05 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: you mean the tearing with xfwm4 compositor? | 10:06 |
| bluesabre | notifications making me lose focus in my current window for a brief moment | 10:06 |
| ochosi | ah | 10:07 |
| slickymaster | morning all | 10:08 |
| ochosi | morning | 10:10 |
| bluesabre | hey slickymaster | 10:10 |
| slickymaster | ochosi, bluesabre hi | 10:10 |
| slickymaster | I haven't forgot xfdesktop documentation :) | 10:11 |
| ochosi | no worries ;) | 10:11 |
| ochosi | i just went through jjfrv8's preferences part | 10:12 |
| slickymaster | ochosi, we'll have to blame knome on my delay | 10:12 |
| slickymaster | ;) | 10:12 |
| knome | woot | 10:12 |
| * ochosi blames knome | 10:12 | |
| knome | huh | 10:12 |
| slickymaster | morning knome | 10:12 |
| knome | thanks! | 10:12 |
| knome | good day slickymaster | 10:12 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: i'm sometimes wondering whether we should set up a bug-bounty programme somehow | 10:13 |
| * slickymaster is safely hidding | 10:13 | |
| knome | what did i do this time? | 10:13 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: tempting, but what would be the bounty, hopefully not money | 10:14 |
| knome | bluesabre, well we have some project moolah | 10:14 |
| knome | bluesabre, and we can send stickers | 10:14 |
| knome | bluesabre, and finnish candy :d | 10:14 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: not sure, i think money could work. we could also do other stuff though | 10:14 |
| knome | except if my wife eats them first | 10:14 |
| ochosi | elementary did some bug-bounty for a geary backport to their luna release | 10:14 |
| ochosi | and it was monetary, iirc | 10:14 |
| knome | so it should/would be a bounty with a deadline :P | 10:14 |
| bluesabre | so many pings! :D | 10:15 |
| knome | i read "pigs" | 10:16 |
| ochosi | :) | 10:16 |
| bluesabre | :( | 10:17 |
| ochosi | oha, gtk3.10 is about to hit the trusty archives | 11:18 |
| bluesabre | wha | 11:45 |
| bluesabre | I thought trusty was sticking with 3.8? | 11:45 |
| bluesabre | so, from a design standpoint, do we want to force disable button images in gtk2 to make those apps match a bit more with gtk3.10? | 11:46 |
| bluesabre | and menu images | 11:46 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: good question | 12:25 |
| ochosi | i'm +1 on button images | 12:25 |
| ochosi | i've been using that myself for quite some time now | 12:26 |
| ochosi | Unit193: so wait, your session changes seem quite important for 14.04, can a live-session even be started without them? | 12:48 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, good afternoon. Saw your comments on Preferences. Snow day here so I'll be around if you want to set a time to discuss. | 13:41 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: hey there | 14:17 |
| jjfrv8 | howdy | 14:17 |
| jjfrv8 | ochosi, do you want to discuss preferences now? | 14:18 |
| ochosi | yeah, i can take a few minutes now | 14:19 |
| jjfrv8 | I think I can do your points 1-4 with no problem but need to ask you about 5 & 6 | 14:20 |
| ochosi | yeah, especially with 6 i expected that | 14:20 |
| ochosi | what version of xfdesktop are you using at the moment again? | 14:21 |
| ochosi | 4.11 from the xfce4.12 PPA? | 14:21 |
| jjfrv8 | yeah, just checked again. xfdesktop4 4.11.1 | 14:21 |
| ochosi | hm, ok, let me see what i have here then | 14:22 |
| jjfrv8 | but I've got both the 4.12 and the 4.10 PPAs installed per the recommendation on the archive | 14:22 |
| ochosi | yeah | 14:22 |
| ochosi | that's fine | 14:22 |
| ochosi | so for me there's a header stating the workspace-name in the windowlist | 14:23 |
| ochosi | i can quickly take a screenshot | 14:24 |
| jjfrv8 | k, I think that would help | 14:24 |
| ochosi | http://imagebin.org/281647 | 14:24 |
| ochosi | where 1,2 and 3 are workspace names | 14:24 |
| ochosi | that seems to be missing in your screenshot | 14:25 |
| skellat | elfy: ¡PING! | 14:25 |
| jjfrv8 | well, actually, it is there in the last screenshot | 14:26 |
| ochosi | oh | 14:26 |
| ochosi | let me look again | 14:26 |
| jjfrv8 | I probably should not have combined two settings in one screenshot | 14:26 |
| jjfrv8 | and I renamed the workspaces to 'primary' and 'secondary'. probably shouldn't have done that either | 14:26 |
| ochosi | ah | 14:27 |
| ochosi | yeah, now i understand | 14:27 |
| ochosi | so that's pretty much fine then i guess | 14:27 |
| jjfrv8 | so I can use the default names and split out all four settings separately | 14:27 |
| ochosi | you could put the small screenshots next to each other if you wanna save vertical space | 14:29 |
| ochosi | but yeah, it's not terribly important | 14:29 |
| jjfrv8 | ok, that's an idea | 14:29 |
| ochosi | the users can figure these easy settings out themselves too | 14:29 |
| ochosi | and you've described them well enough i think | 14:29 |
| jjfrv8 | the only reason I did the screenshots was the that 4.10 explanations weren't clear to me | 14:29 |
| jjfrv8 | but I might just be dense :) | 14:30 |
| ochosi | hehe | 14:30 |
| ochosi | well depends on whether you have ever touched/tried these settings i think | 14:30 |
| jjfrv8 | that's true | 14:30 |
| ochosi | without that it always seems more odd i guess | 14:30 |
| ochosi | ok, so point 5 | 14:30 |
| jjfrv8 | yeah | 14:30 |
| ochosi | knome did such a wallpaper for xubuntu as a tryout a longer while ago | 14:31 |
| ochosi | basically you can use a semi-transparent image, and the color/gradient you set on the desktop will "show through" | 14:31 |
| jjfrv8 | so the "transparent" setting applies to the image, not the color, right? | 14:32 |
| ochosi | no, those are two separate things | 14:32 |
| ochosi | i haven't mentioned the transparent option yet in my comments, because i'm not sure myself how that works these days | 14:33 |
| ochosi | iirc, it was meant for e.g. the compiz-cube to have a transparent wallpaper | 14:33 |
| ochosi | not sure what it currently does | 14:33 |
| ochosi | (probably just show the root pixmap) | 14:33 |
| ochosi | i have to ask eric_the_idiot about that | 14:33 |
| jjfrv8 | i couldn't see where it did anything. and there are apparently no opacity controls or anything | 14:34 |
| ochosi | yeah, could be that it's even deprecated, i'm not sure and a bit too lazy to dig through the code right now ;) | 14:35 |
| ochosi | i'd rather wait for eric to reply | 14:35 |
| jjfrv8 | sounds good | 14:35 |
| ochosi | so let's keep that on our list of open issues | 14:35 |
| jjfrv8 | sure | 14:35 |
| ochosi | what i haven't checked yet, how does this version compare to what's currently in the xfce-docs? | 14:36 |
| ochosi | i mean for 4.10 | 14:36 |
| ochosi | cause it seems to me that we need to keep the 4.10 references there | 14:36 |
| ochosi | and e.g. the first screenshot/folder stuff is a rather big departure from the old desktop | 14:37 |
| jjfrv8 | yeah, the only real diffs are in the first tab, but they are significant | 14:37 |
| ochosi | nick said he would like to keep the docs for 4.10 there as well | 14:37 |
| ochosi | and only not the diffs to 4.12 | 14:38 |
| ochosi | so we have to find a way to illustrate that | 14:38 |
| jjfrv8 | hmm | 14:38 |
| ochosi | possibly by first showing the 4.10 screenshot + explanation, then the 4.12 screenshot+explanation | 14:38 |
| ochosi | with a <note>This only applies to Xfce4.12</note> or something | 14:38 |
| ochosi | in between | 14:39 |
| jjfrv8 | ok, that makes it a little tricky but I'll see what I can do | 14:39 |
| ochosi | i know, it doesn't have to be beautiful, it should mostly be functional i guess | 14:39 |
| ochosi | as soon as we have a proposal for that, i'll send an email to nick and eric and ask them for feedback on that | 14:40 |
| jjfrv8 | ok | 14:40 |
| ochosi | i'll cc you and slickymaster and then we'll see what route they wanna go | 14:40 |
| ochosi | so let's finalize the prefs-page first and then see | 14:40 |
| ochosi | i'll quickly try to tackle the bugs page today | 14:41 |
| jjfrv8 | by 'finalize' you mean a combo 4.10/4.12 version or just making the changes in your comments today | 14:42 |
| jjfrv8 | ? | 14:42 |
| ochosi | ideally both | 14:43 |
| ochosi | but i'm mostly waiting for how the 4.10/4.12 stuff will look | 14:43 |
| ochosi | if it looks awful, we need to discuss that with the others | 14:43 |
| ochosi | maybe we have to take a different route then | 14:43 |
| ochosi | but it'll be mostly copy-paste i assume (either to a separate page or whatnot) | 14:44 |
| jjfrv8 | ok, I'll see what I can come up with and ping you if I have questions | 14:45 |
| ochosi | thanks! | 14:47 |
| jjfrv8 | thank you! | 14:47 |
| ochosi | jjfrv8: btw, the comments are meant as feedback and suggestions, if you don't agree with some of them let me know! | 14:52 |
| jjfrv8 | thanks, but I think all of the suggestions were good ones. | 14:53 |
| ochosi | ok, great | 14:53 |
| ochosi | andrzejr, ali1234: any idea why gtk3 indicators in the gtk2 panel would not use symbolic colors for the indicator-icons? (in the menu they seem fine) | 14:54 |
| jjfrv8 | bbs | 14:59 |
| ochosi | andrzejr, ali1234: nvm, seems upstream doesn't support it :/ | 16:27 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Sure, just AFAIK, won't autostart the live user. | 19:16 |
| ochosi | hm, that doesn't sounds very nice | 19:17 |
| Unit193 | It's not so bad if you know the user is $flavorname. | 19:24 |
| elfy | default settings looks to be wrong on the current daily | 19:33 |
| knome | in what way? | 19:34 |
| elfy | settings manager apps are in the settings menu or system menu - like they used to be | 19:34 |
| knome | hmm | 19:34 |
| elfy | and the daily is defaulting to bangla as language | 19:34 |
| elfy | at least it boots now | 19:35 |
| elfy | not sure which package to put that last one against | 19:35 |
| knome | heh | 19:35 |
| elfy | knome: you got any idea which package the default language should be reported against? | 19:37 |
| knome | not really | 19:37 |
| elfy | unless that's xubuntu-default-settings as well | 19:37 |
| knome | i guess you could ask in -release though | 19:37 |
| elfy | or -bigs | 19:39 |
| elfy | s/i/u | 19:40 |
| knome | i mean you could ask release if it's probably something they poked that broke it | 19:41 |
| knome | there shouldn't be that much anomalies ;) | 19:41 |
| elfy | I'd suspect it's tied up with lightdm things they did yesterday/today | 19:41 |
| knome | possibly | 19:44 |
| elfy | bug 1259662 | 19:44 |
| ubottu | bug 1259662 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Menus include settings applications" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259662 | 19:44 |
| elfy | seems to be a lot of people reporting issues with bugs against testcases instead of the package concerned | 19:47 |
| elfy | bug 1259525 | 19:47 |
| ubottu | bug 1259525 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Lubuntu & Xubuntu "Try Ubuntu" asks for password. Does not enter live session." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259525 | 19:47 |
| Unit193 | I've got a merge in for that one, user is xubuntu there is no password. | 19:49 |
| Unit193 | Oh, I see. | 19:50 |
| elfy | Unit193: yea - but it shouldn't ask | 19:50 |
| elfy | but the bug is wrong :) | 19:50 |
| elfy | shall slap obrien in the morning :) | 19:50 |
| Unit193 | https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-default-settings/session-fix/+merge/198177 look at the date. | 19:50 |
| elfy | mmm | 19:51 |
| elfy | so that deals with the username issue I assume | 19:51 |
| elfy | still got the menu's as an issue | 19:51 |
| Unit193 | (Also have the merge request in for Lubuntu, and my goodness they have many sessions...) | 19:58 |
| knome | heh | 19:58 |
| Unit193 | (https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/lubuntu-default-settings/fix-session/+merge/198189) | 20:00 |
| Unit193 | knome: Can you, or did you review the other one? | 20:00 |
| jjfrv8 | elfy, yeah there seems to be lots of stuff wrong with this daily - like most of the app shortcuts are missing | 20:04 |
| jjfrv8 | I haven't had time to do a full post-install test | 20:04 |
| elfy | I'm guessing something is awry with the default-settings somewhere | 20:05 |
| elfy | but I'm not the person to ask to pin down a package :p | 20:05 |
| jjfrv8 | did I miss the discussion on the new panel config option that appears on reboot? | 20:05 |
| Unit193 | Got a shot? | 20:06 |
| jjfrv8 | I'll have to do another install. give me a few minutes. | 20:07 |
| elfy | if you did I missed it as well | 20:08 |
| Unit193 | !info xubuntu-default-settings trusty | Look at the version, nope. | 20:08 |
| ubottu | Look at the version, nope.: xubuntu-default-settings (source: xubuntu-default-settings): default settings for the Xubuntu desktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 13.10.5 (trusty), package size 20 kB, installed size 192 kB | 20:08 |
| elfy | Unit193 knome - current settings menu http://imagebin.org/281717 | 20:12 |
| elfy | #wrong :p | 20:12 |
| Unit193 | elfy: rm -rfv .config && sudo service lightdm restart check your session, did you get a dialog box when you logged in? | 20:13 |
| Unit193 | Or, just echo $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS | 20:16 |
| Unit193 | The point is, you're in session Xfce. | 20:16 |
| jjfrv8 | Unit193, elfy: http://imagebin.org/281720 | 20:17 |
| Unit193 | Yes, confirmed that it's defaulting to the Xfce session. | 20:18 |
| Unit193 | (I booted vbox. | 20:18 |
| Unit193 | ) | 20:18 |
| Unit193 | jjfrv8: If you remove .config and .cache, at the login screen change it to the Xubuntu session (top right button) | 20:19 |
| Unit193 | ...And it's half English. | 20:20 |
| jjfrv8 | Unit193, that worked. | 20:21 |
| jjfrv8 | I told it I wanted it to log in automatically but it ignored that and made me log in on first reboot | 20:23 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Should I/we/someone link the branches to the bugs? And the packages are {l,x}ubuntu-default-settins (re: 1259525) | 20:24 |
| elfy | Unit193: aaah - right ok - so that default settings thing IS affecting that as well | 20:24 |
| Unit193 | Sure, but it boots, not as big of an issue as -gtk-greeter. | 20:25 |
| elfy | yep | 20:25 |
| elfy | Unit193: I'd assumed you were including that language in this | 20:35 |
| brainwash | is the language wrong on first session startup? it used to fall back to non english after a logout from the live session | 20:36 |
| elfy | it's wrong at boot to live session - though it is wrong that it's booting to login on live session | 20:36 |
| elfy | or #ubuntu-quality | 20:37 |
| Unit193 | elfy: I have no idea what that is, but could be what the Washer of Brains said. | 20:37 |
| elfy | bah | 20:37 |
| brainwash | I noticed the described behavior in saucy back then | 20:37 |
| brainwash | after a logout the language was set to bengali(?) | 20:38 |
| elfy | bangla perhaps | 20:38 |
| brainwash | something like that, yes | 20:38 |
| elfy | so that's wrong anyway | 20:38 |
| brainwash | so there should already exist a report for this issue | 20:39 |
| * elfy votes for fixing the sound indicator and calling saucy trusty and having 6 months off | 20:39 | |
| brainwash | I prefer the real deal, gtk3 indicators :) | 20:39 |
| brainwash | sync indicator and message indicator are awesome | 20:40 |
| Unit193 | That didn't work as well. | 20:40 |
| elfy | I'd prefer lots of things - I'll settle for something that works | 20:42 |
| elfy | but as I can't code I'll not whine - I just won't +1 releasing :p | 20:43 |
| elfy | in the meantime - I've gtg now | 20:43 |
| Unit193 | http://unit193.net/dump/xubuntu-14.04-test-i386.iso{.zsync) should be the fixed version of todays daily. | 21:31 |
| slickymaster | night all | 21:38 |
| ochosi | hey slickymaster | 21:40 |
| slickymaster | hi ochosi | 21:40 |
| Unit193 | brainwash: That's a mighty weird bug, but hitting that one as well as the user one. | 21:54 |
| jjfrv8 | Unit193, that iso looks much more betterer. | 21:56 |
| Unit193 | jjfrv8: Yep, it's just the one merge in, though bugs would have to be filed against the other one of course. Good that it works for you as well. | 21:58 |
| jjfrv8 | it fixed the automatic login thing too. | 21:59 |
| Unit193 | Yep, was expected. The language fix is weird, for sure. That's still a bug. | 21:59 |
| Unit193 | Hopefully I didn't mess that up too much: bug 1259525 | 22:36 |
| ubottu | bug 1259525 in Xubuntu Default Settings "Lubuntu & Xubuntu "Try Ubuntu" asks for password. Does not enter live session." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259525 | 22:36 |
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