[00:00] <GridCube> shuvarek, if you have a dedicated /home just reinstall
[00:00] <shuvarek> btw the only other de I have right now on this system is lxde and I installed it only because xfce crashed
[00:01] <shuvarek> Maybe my /home could be a problem, I have few othere systems, (but I have not used it for a while now), and most of them use /home
[00:01] <GridCube> mmm
[00:01] <shuvarek> (I use special partition for /home)
[00:01] <GridCube> yes that can be a problem
[00:01] <holstein> shuvarek: sure.. one of them could be corrupting your xfce session
[00:02] <holstein> shuvarek: i would create a new users to test with
[00:02] <shuvarek> but I have different names for users in different systems
[00:02] <holstein> shuvarek: this is a quick test, friend.. dont over think it.. literally make a new user called "test"..
[00:03] <shuvarek> I have never try this way
[00:03] <shuvarek> maybe this is an idea?
[00:03] <holstein> shuvarek: im not suggesting you switch to this user.. im saying, if the new user can load XFCE, then, you cant fix xfce by reinstalling it
[00:03] <shuvarek> Thank you for that thing
[00:04] <shuvarek> but how about reinstalling the xfce completely (I am now using lxde) and then install it again
[00:04] <shuvarek> which packages I shold purge / delete then?
[00:04] <shuvarek> or which files delete?
[00:08] <Ethan[]> this is very weird. I have plenty of free space and can do most things normally, but doing anything with dpkg or apt reports "No space left on device". I don't have separate partitions for anything except /boot/efi. any idea how that could be happening?
[00:08] <shuvarek> Okay, thanks, I will try to login as new user and seewht happend, thankj you guys for help
[00:10] <holstein> Ethan[]: emptying the trash?
[00:11] <holstein> Ethan[]: not sure without looking at it first hand
[00:11] <Ethan[]> I have 8.6 GB free
[00:11] <holstein> Ethan[]: how are you determining that? and what are you doing that is failing? and what are the messages?
[00:13] <Ethan[]> df -h says that. dist-upgrade failed to update linux-headers with the message "No space left on device", and then when I have done anything since then says I need to run dpkg --configure -a. when I run that, it too fails with "No space left on device"
[00:13] <Ethan[]> but, should have plenty of space
[00:14] <holstein> Ethan[]: close other package managers..
[00:14] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ...and report errors
[00:14] <shuvarek> Hello again and thank you for the help
[00:15] <shuvarek> using different user helped to start xfce again
[00:16] <holstein> shuvarek: so, the issue is on your /user/home
[00:16] <shuvarek> have a question - which files I should delete (or mv) to let the xfce start again from the previous user?
[00:16] <holstein> shuvarek: i would just move them.. whatever i would think could cause the issue.. the .hidden ones
[00:16] <Ethan[]> holstein: nothing is open. apt-get update errors out with "No space left on device". dist-upgrade errors out with "No space left on device". there is plenty of space on the filesystem.
[00:17] <holstein> shuvarek: i might move them all.. and test.. then put back the ones i need/want, and test again
[00:17] <holstein> Ethan[]: what is determining the space?
[00:18] <shuvarek> probably almost this same amount of work as doing with another install
[00:18] <shuvarek> maybe use git for home would be good idea?
[00:19] <holstein> shuvarek: git sill sync the problems
[00:19] <holstein> shuvarek: i think git would be overkill
[00:19] <shuvarek> do you know another program which can help you went back to settings (in home) when something go wrong?
[00:20] <holstein> shuvarek: i just deal with it manually like this.. but im not interested in cloning or versioning config files
[00:21] <shuvarek> I know that git it could be security risky specially if I decide to use github or so, and I never try it before, but maybe just to point it only on the . files and .locale
[00:22] <shuvarek> (I mean .local)
[00:22] <shuvarek> and where are the files for xfce (I do not knwo yet)
[00:24] <holstein> shuvarek: i literally open a file manager, and i choose to leave things that i want in place. such as for the browser.. then, i start moving *everything* that i feel might be the issue. then i reboot and test
[00:26] <shuvarek> holstein: I think you are right, just in case probably I will try to play with git as I said before with the . files (better latter then never)
[00:27] <shuvarek> I have to also learn which files use xfce so it would be less work for the future
[00:27] <holstein> shuvarek: you dont know that its the xfce files
[00:27] <holstein> shuvarek: you just know its in your user /home...
[00:28] <shuvarek> I think xfce read it and this is why it cannot start properly
[00:29] <shuvarek> holstein: if not, what would be the problem?
[00:30] <holstein> shuvarek: anything that could hang the session loading
[00:31] <shuvarek> holstein: you see, this is not the first time, I used before xubuntu 12.04 and I had to install lxde as now
[00:32] <holstein> shuvarek: you chose to install lxde
[00:32] <shuvarek> holstein: I like xfce because it reminds me gnome which I used before (after kde3)
[00:32] <holstein> shuvarek: that didnt fix this issue.. all im saying is, if the other user loads xfce, and your user doesnt, you still cant assume that its an xfce config causing that.. it could be another config
[00:32] <shuvarek> holstein: maybe I should go back to Trinity - I have not used it yet
[00:33] <holstein> shuvarek: we can only assume from that that the issue is in the user config and not in the main system somewhere
[00:33] <shuvarek> holstein: understan - yes you are right
[00:33] <holstein> shuvarek: what do i do? i remove the .config's and test.. if i really want to pinpoint what has happened, i do them one at a time, or a few at a time
[00:33] <holstein> i dont know what trinity is
[00:34] <shuvarek> there were some errors even when I started as different user (but I could not send them as the password - for the previous user does not work)
[00:35] <shuvarek> holstein: so there are probably some problems, I still have one partition to install something new
[00:35] <shuvarek> holstein: Trinity is KDE3
[00:36] <holstein> shuvarek: kubuntu uses kde
[00:36] <shuvarek> holstein: www.trinitydesktop.org
[00:36] <holstein> !kubuntu
[00:36] <shuvarek> holstein: yes, but it uses kde4
[00:37] <holstein> shuvarek: kde uses kde4
[00:37] <holstein> shuvarek: trinity is not kde
[00:37] <holstein> shuvarek: would you like to continue in the offtopic channel?
[00:37] <shuvarek> holstein: Trinity is this same for kde as mate is for gnome
[00:38] <shuvarek> holstein: fork of the older version
[00:38] <knome> shuvarek, please continue on the offtopic channel, #xubuntu-offtopic
[00:39] <shuvarek> knome: that was only one sentence
[00:40] <shuvarek> holstein: anyway thank you for your help, will see what I can do with the system, thanks
[00:40] <holstein> shuvarek: mate is not gnome
[00:40] <knome> holstein, et tu brute? :)
[00:41] <holstein> knome: :)
[01:32] <superpotato> I just installed Xubuntu, but I don't get a boot manager.
[01:32] <superpotato> It just goes straight to Windows.
[01:32] <superpotato> What am I doing wrong?
[01:35] <holstein> !uefi | superpotato_
[01:35] <holstein> do you have a uefi system that is cuasing issues? if not, you can try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[01:36] <superpotato_> I don't think so.
[01:36] <superpotato_> I had a plain Xubuntu install before.
[01:36] <holstein> shuvarek: confirm
[01:36] <holstein> shuvarek: sorry... superpotato_ ^
[01:36] <superpotato_> How would I know?
[01:36] <holstein> superpotato_: before what?
[01:37] <holstein> superpotato_: so, you had xubuntu installed? then you installed windows?
[01:37] <superpotato_> Old version of Xubuntu.
[01:38] <superpotato_> Installed Windows, removed bootloader, attempted to install new version of Xubuntu and fix bootloader.
[01:38] <holstein> superpotato_: you can use the tool i linked to recover the boot loader
[02:29] <resizt0r> hey i need some help
[02:29] <resizt0r> i really dont think it's even xubuntu related, but i cant be sure
[02:30] <resizt0r> when i boot up the livecd, it keeps trying to connect to the LAN
[02:30] <holstein> resizt0r: remove the lan cable
[02:30] <resizt0r> says its assigning an ip for about a minute, then fails
[02:31] <resizt0r> im almost positive i've connected with a xubuntu livecd on this machine in the past
[02:33] <holstein> resizt0r: if the networking device on the machine is functional, and the network is able to allow new devices to join, and give out addresses, then it will work
[02:33] <holstein> resizt0r: i would go into the settings on the live CD and see that the device is present, and that it is getting an ip
[02:33] <resizt0r> it's present
[02:33] <resizt0r> just not getting an ip
[02:34] <resizt0r> it is a Realtek onboard ethernet device built into my motherboard
[02:34] <holstein> resizt0r: why? is the router offering addresses? is it configured to allow other devices to join?
[02:34] <resizt0r> an Asus M5A99FX
[02:34] <resizt0r> yeah devices join our network all the time
[02:34] <holstein> if you reqired static ip settings, the live environment wont know about those
[02:34] <resizt0r> i dont use static ip's
[02:35] <holstein> resizt0r: i would try forcing it.. or i woud try another live CD..
[02:35] <holstein> or, look and see why its failing to get an address
[02:35] <neorpheus> im just gonna call prot the king from now on
[02:35] <neorpheus> oop
[02:35] <resizt0r> ive tried xubuntu 12.04, kubuntu 13.04, mint 15 cinnamon, mint 14 kde
[02:36] <holstein> resizt0r: and the device works? do you have another network card to try
[02:36] <resizt0r> im on it right now
[02:36] <resizt0r> seems to be working fine
[02:37] <resizt0r> Connection: Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller @ 1000.0 Mbps (Rec: 90.79MB Sent: 941.02MB)
[02:37] <neorpheus> so um does anyone here know why a bluetooth headset wouldnt show up in pulseaudio settings?
[02:37] <holstein> resizt0r: i woudnt over think it.. could be the device isnt supported by the drivers in the linux kernel
[02:37] <holstein> resizt0r: i have other network cards, and i would just throw one in and see
[02:37] <holstein> neorpheus: in pavucontrol ?
[02:38] <holstein> neorpheus: is it otherwise working? and connected?
[02:39] <neorpheus> as far as i knot it is otherwise working, i got it paired with no issue and chose "connect to headset service" thinking that the intuitive choice would be the right one but but i cant select it as an input or output device in pavucontrol
[02:39] <neorpheus> know*
[02:43] <bingo> hello. How may i change or disable the startup sound?
[02:43] <bingo> XFCE*
[02:50] <neorpheus> nevermind i figured it out, i just neaded to restart alse
[02:51] <bingo> yay :)
[02:51] <bingo> can you help me neorpheus ?
[02:51] <bingo> i dont know how to get the wifi indicator back on the task bar
[02:52] <neorpheus> sorry bingo i have never had to face that issue before
[02:52] <bingo> otay :(
[02:54] <neorpheus> i would assume just right click on the taskbar/panel and click panel > add new items > then see if there is a wifi option in there
[02:54] <bingo> looking now, ty
[02:58] <bingo> cant find it but ill try the forums, ty
[02:59] <Ethan[]_> well, I've completed dist-upgrade to 13.10, got everything up to date and looking good. rebooted, and it fails to boot with "Gave up waiting for root device. [...] ALERT!  /dev/disk/by-uuid/45863420-1152-451d-afdc-26c25ba51d57 does not exist.  Dropping to a shell!"
[02:59] <Ethan[]_> but then my keyboard doesn't work in the shell so I can't do anything there anyway
[03:29] <xubuntu829> Hi, after i open a terminal, what is the command to see the size of all my folders?  basically I just want to check my disk space left, been downloading alot ...thanks
[03:34] <Ethan[]_> hm, just the updated 3.11 kernel does not boot. 3.8.0 boots fine
[03:34] <Ethan[]_> any idea why an updated kernel would fail to boot with "ALERT!  /dev/disk/by-uuid/45863420-1152-451d-afdc-26c25ba51d57 does not exist.  Dropping to a shell!"
[03:34] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu829:  I like   du -hs --apparent-size /path/to/directory
[03:35] <xubuntu829> thanks I'll try that
[03:36] <xubuntu829> all it said was 59 G
[03:36] <well_laid_lawn> Ethan[]_:  looks like grub has the wrong uuid for that kernel. you can check them in /boot/grub/grub.cfg or at the boot menu
[03:36] <Ethan[]_> it's the right uuid
[03:37] <Ethan[]_> well
[03:37] <xubuntu829> how can i find out the sizes of all my files, including a total remaining
[03:37] <Ethan[]_> maybe I'm not understanding
[03:37] <Ethan[]_> but it's the same uuid that shows up for the drive when it boots on the old kernel. and when I boot from a live cd
[03:37] <Ethan[]_> for the partition, rather
[03:38] <Ethan[]_> I can't imagine that updating the kernel would affect the uuid it seems for a partition. seems like that would break a lot of things.
[03:38] <Ethan[]_> /seems/sees/
[03:40] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu829:  try  df -h
[03:40] <well_laid_lawn> df is not as accurate imo with the used value
[04:49] <SonikkuAmerica> !hi
[07:03] <xubuntu422> hi
[07:03] <xubuntu422> is someone here?
[07:03] <xubuntu422> i need some help
[07:07] <ObrienDave> !ask
[07:21] <baizon> that was a fast leave
[07:21] <ObrienDave> must have scared them off ;P
[07:22] <baizon> ubottu: it's all your fault!
[07:23] <ObrienDave> nah, i'm a bubble burster that way ;P
[07:24] <ObrienDave> it must be my dry sense of humor :)
[08:23] <andrzejr> tried to upgrade x/ubuntu to 13.10. Installation failed/froze half way through (installation phase, on some font installation. The system does not boot (cannot mount disks)
[08:24] <andrzejr> is it possible to run updater from command line?
[08:24] <andrzejr> (without X)
[08:24] <cfhowlett> andrzejr, of course, sudo apt-get dist-release
[08:25] <andrzejr> hmm.. "invalid operation"
[08:26] <cfhowlett> andrzejr, let me send you the command cheat sheet
[08:27] <andrzejr> dist-release ->dist-upgrade?
[08:28] <cfhowlett> andrzejr, reference sheet awaits your approval
[08:28] <andrzejr> I've got it, thanks.
[08:29] <andrzejr> It seems that the dpkg lock is still set
[08:29] <cfhowlett> andrzejr, as it should be.  the previous install failed in process, so lock is still on.
[08:31] <andrzejr> cfhowlett, sorry, can you resend the reference sheet? something went wrong
[08:32] <cfhowlett> andrzejr, sent
[08:39] <Unit193> andrzejr: sudo do-release-upgrade
[08:39] <Unit193> dist-release doesn't exist.
[08:40] <cfhowlett> Unit193, ouch.  see how wrong I can be?  thanks for the correction.
[08:41] <Unit193> Sure.  (Though, it'll figure out if it's not root and escalate)
[08:41] <cfhowlett> http://ubuntuone.com/5MW5tskmZxL19y3J5ebbFz
[08:44] <Unit193> Hrm, I don't quite agree with that, but anywho.
[10:34] <longer> hi guys, I need some help
[10:34] <cfhowlett> longer, ask --- details matter
[10:35] <longer> since I started use xubuntu 13.10 I have no more notification sound in thunderbird
[10:35] <longer> everything been working fine in 12.04
[10:37] <longer> is there any package that I need to install to get it back?
[10:38] <cfhowlett> longer, tis a known bug
[10:38] <cfhowlett> !bug sound notification
[10:38] <cfhowlett> grrr.  don't know how to display the factoid
[10:38] <longer> are you guys working on to fix it?
[10:39] <cfhowlett> longer, LOL.  I'm not "you guys", I'm a user!  But my understanding is "they're working on it".
[10:40] <ObrienDave> longer, most people here are not devs, just users trying to help others
[10:40] <Unit193> Bug #1208204 see later comments.
[10:40] <longer> ok, I understand now
[10:40] <cfhowlett> !cookie|ObrienDave,
[10:40] <Myrtti> longer: there's several different methods of going around the bug, but which one is right for you is dependant on what your system is like
[10:41] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett, PFFFFFT! ;)
[10:41] <longer> I will try to follow all comments, maybe one of them will work for me
[10:43] <longer> thanks for help and bye!
[10:46] <ObrienDave> cfhowlett, you should have offered longer a cookie ;P
[10:47] <cfhowlett> ubottu won't let me send a beer
[10:59] <NuSuey> I can't see the internal GPU HDMI output in 12.04, http://i.imgur.com/zpgLwpt.png .. got one Monitor in the DP, the other in the DVI .. and the HDMI is in the internal GPU on the mainboard ..http://i.imgur.com/H17DBa7.png (5) I see the splash-screen (or verbose if I enabled it) on the HMDI - but the system detects only the monitors on the primary GPU
[10:59] <NuSuey> any idea?
[11:05] <ObrienDave> !beer-#ubuntu-offtopic | cfhowlett
[11:05] <cfhowlett> LOL!  There's actually a factoid for beer!
[11:06] <ObrienDave> the original has been deleted :/
[11:06] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave, well, in the absence of beer, feel free to twitter a startbucks
[11:06] <cfhowlett> *starbucks*
[11:07] <ObrienDave> coffee and beer, my 2 favorites ;) you don't buy either one, you just pay rent ;P
[12:49] <peyam> Hi
[12:50] <ObrienDave> greetings and welcome
[12:51] <cfhowlett> peyam, ^^^^^^
[12:51] <peyam> wait
[12:51] <peyam> gonna formulate my question
[12:51] <peyam> give me a second :P
[12:52] <ObrienDave> lol, take your time, cfhowlett can wait ;P
[12:52] <peyam> http://s17.postimg.org/efdu9yrnz/Untitled.png
[12:52] <peyam> this is what I get when I try to update
[12:53] <cfhowlett> peyam, you got issues.
[12:53] <peyam> yeah
[12:53] <cfhowlett> peyam, so eliminated the causes individually and in sequence.
[12:54] <peyam> I dont think any of them are any issue with.
[12:54] <peyam> I update the system yestarday
[12:54] <peyam> haven't done any changes since then
[12:54] <cfhowlett> peyam, sudo apt-get update     then sudo apt-get upgrade    then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    note the error messages
[12:54] <peyam> i dont want to upgrade
[12:54] <peyam> the dist
[12:55] <cfhowlett> peyam, this will not change the dist, it will only update to the latest packages for the dist
[12:55] <peyam> and btw Im very happy about LTs version that remove the gnome menu editor! knome
[12:55] <cfhowlett> peyam, LTS only here as well
[12:55] <peyam> I use 13.04
[12:55] <peyam> but I look forward for 14.04
[12:56] <cfhowlett> peyam, 13.04 ?   NOT LTS
[12:56] <Myrtti> dist-upgrade will not move you from 13.04 to other versions
[12:56] <peyam> ohh
[12:56] <peyam> the issue was the webcam program
[12:56] <cfhowlett> !lts
[12:57] <peyam> I uninstalled the webcam program and the error is not there any more
[12:57] <peyam> cfhowlett, I want to use newer version cause i want to see the development
[12:57] <peyam> But I think I will stick to 14.04 for a long time. the passion for new stuff will die as older as I become
[12:58] <Myrtti> then why haven't you upgraded to 13.10?
[12:58] <cfhowlett> peyam choose a path.  if you want LTS get LTS.  but if you enabled the dev. repos's   then you have to install 13.10 manually and THEN you can see the dev  of 14.04
[12:58]  * cfhowlett suspects there might some confusion here 
[12:59]  * ObrienDave agrees
[12:59] <peyam> cfhowlett, 13.10 was a disappointment. xubuntu group is very good at development and hold the planing as they should.
[12:59] <peyam> 13.10 had lots of issues that's why I sticked to 13.04
[13:00] <cfhowlett> peyam, so again: NOT LTS.  check your repo settings.  if your machine is confused as you seem to be indicating that would explain much
[13:01] <peyam> Im confused. What are you talking about?
[13:01] <peyam> Myrtti, BEcouse 13.10 had major issues
[13:01] <peyam> 13.04 was more stable that its younger brother
[13:02] <cfhowlett> peyam, open a terminal.  type in lsb_release -a   and tell what it reports
[13:02] <peyam> ubuntu 13.03 64
[13:03] <peyam> No LSB modules are available.
[13:03] <peyam> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[13:03] <peyam> Description:	Ubuntu 13.04
[13:03] <peyam> Release:	13.04
[13:03] <peyam> Codename:	raring
[13:03] <cfhowlett> peyam, 13.04?  so you missed all the point updates.  suggest you do the following: sudo apt-get update
[13:03] <cfhowlett> sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:04] <peyam> cfhowlett, sir the problem is solved :)
[13:04] <cfhowlett> peyam, ... ok
[13:04] <peyam> I wrote that a webcam program was the issue. I removed it and now it's totally working
[13:05] <cfhowlett> peyam, good work!
[13:05] <peyam> :P
[13:05] <ObrienDave> !yay | peyam
[13:06] <peyam> I have a question that I think about when Im on the bed
[13:07] <peyam> I red somewhere that mplayer bring decoders from windows. I might read wrong
[13:07] <peyam> but what is the different between vlc and mplayer in simple words
[13:07] <cfhowlett> peyam, you read wrong.
[13:08] <cfhowlett> peyam, all players use the installed codecs - ubuntu-restricted-extras.  no codecs, no play.  doesn't matter what the player is.
[13:08] <ObrienDave> vlc is a front-end for mplayer, IIRC
[13:08] <Poisoned_Dragon> ?!
[13:08] <peyam> really? I though smplayer was
[13:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> I thought vlc had it's own codec libs.
[13:09] <Sysi> bot probably use libvacodec
[13:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> I don't have mplayer installed and vlc plays everything.
[13:09] <Sysi> but vlc is not frontend for mplayer
[13:09] <cfhowlett> as I understand it ALL the players access the same bank of codecs ... but I have been know to be wrong.
[13:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol
[13:10] <Poisoned_Dragon> Yes, in terms of vlc, you are wrong. :)
[13:10] <ObrienDave> my mistake, *goes back to my coffee*
[13:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> vlc has it's own codecs. That's why the install is so big
[13:11] <peyam> I turned the light on in my room. finally
[13:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> I believe the install is in the neighborhood of 30+ megs.
[13:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> not including pulled packages.
[13:12] <cfhowlett> Poisoned_Dragon, does VLC inlcude the restricted codecs?
[13:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> It doeesn't pull restricted codecs as a needed package.
[13:13] <Poisoned_Dragon> I can play all files on vlc with no codecs installed in a given distro.
[13:13] <cfhowlett> Poisoned_Dragon, interesting
[13:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> I know. :)
[13:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> Most distros I install, I kill the built-in players. Totem, Parole, etc....
[13:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> Then install vlc
[13:15] <peyam> me too. But I use smplayer. I got tired of vlc beeing slow
[13:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> meh, not slow for me.
[13:16] <peyam> it killes me when it does this :http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/Hatryst/sillyvlc.png
[13:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, you might have to change the video output. If your gpu supports it, vlc can output to opengl.
[13:16] <peyam> http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/ss162/Hatryst/sillyvlc.png
[13:17] <peyam> I duno what openGl is. just hert about it.
[17:37] <syeekick> hey guys
[17:37] <syeekick> my xbuntu keeps crashing im uisn 13.10
[17:42] <syeekick> im looking in  the kern.log file and there is nothing outstanding which states why it crashed
[17:43] <bgardner> syeekick: Crashes how?
[17:45] <syeekick> well i have to restart initd has it freezes up and i can't do anything on screen. so i enter a tty4 and kill initd with tack 6 (-6). Then i do ctrl +alt + F7, this gets me back in and restarts initd. i've looked in both kernel log  and sys log
[17:45] <syeekick> where are all the logs stored? im looking in var/log atm
[17:54] <bgardner> syeekick: initd?  Do you mean lightdm?
[17:56] <bgardner> syeekick: And /var/log is correct for logs.  This sounds like an X problem, try reviewing /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if anything there is helpful.
[18:07] <syeekick> now changing drivers see if that fixes it brb for 2hours
[18:41] <amjjawad> hi everyone
[18:42] <amjjawad> HP Mini with 512MB RAM and VIA C7 M CPU
[18:42] <amjjawad> any idea what version of Ubuntu is supporting this hardware???
[18:42] <amjjawad> Lub 13.10 didn't work and I am not sure if Xub is going to help
[18:44] <slickymaster> you could try it amjjawad, but it's going to be hard. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#The_Target
[18:53] <amjjawad> my simple Q is
[18:53] <amjjawad> does Ubuntu support VIA CPU?
[18:54] <Pici> Yes, but 512MB of RAM is very little.
[18:54] <Pici> !requirements
[18:54] <knome> if it doesn't support PAE, you won't be able to install any 13.10 version on it
[18:54] <Pici> knome: oops, forgot about that.
[18:55] <amjjawad> but Ubuntu 'does' support VIA CPU????
[18:55] <amjjawad> correct????
[18:55] <amjjawad> I know about the system requirments of Xubuntu guys :D
[18:56] <amjjawad> I have reported a bug against the website of Xubuntu to corret the system requirement. My Q if Ubuntu suports VIA CPUs or not?
[18:56] <amjjawad> knome: Xub 12.04 is using NON-PAE Kernel, correct?
[19:02] <GridCube> only the alternate
[19:03] <GridCube> if im not mistaken lubuntu still has non-pae support, if it does then you can install lubutnu and then sudo apt-get xubuntu-desktop
[19:10] <bazhang> didnt the mini replace the alternate?
[19:10] <bazhang> !alternate
[19:14] <GridCube> bazhang, 12.04 still has alternate
[19:15] <bazhang> GridCube, ok, nice to know. my apologies
[19:29] <amjjawad> Xubuntu 12.04.3 i386 is booting from LiveUSB while Lubuntu 13.10 failed
[19:30] <amjjawad> so guess I answered my own Q :D
[19:30] <amjjawad> I am just concered that this machine won't be able to handle xubutnu 12.04 due to lack of RAM so might install zram-config
[19:30] <amjjawad> let's see how it goes
[19:32] <amjjawad> and knome no worries, I found the answer I am looking for ;)
[19:32] <amjjawad> http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/
[19:32] <amjjawad> xubuntu 12.04 has a non-pae kernel .. perfect, the 4th machine will be converted to Xubuntu in one single day :)
[19:32] <amjjawad> have convrted 4 ... actually 5 in one day
[19:33] <amjjawad> xubuntu is my first choice these days ;)
[20:06] <amjjawad> [00:05] <amjjawad> ok, installation done :D [00:05] <amjjawad> HP Mini VIA C7 M CPU with 512MB RAM is up and running with Xubuntu 12.04.3 [00:05] <amjjawad> I just need to install the wireless driver so must connect it to my LAN cable
[20:32] <ObrienDave> Elfy, you there?
[20:32] <Unit193> ObrienDave: What's up, doc?
[20:32] <elfy> I'm about
[20:33] <ObrienDave> Didn't know which package to file that bug against
[20:34] <elfy> ObrienDave: yep - understood - just be aware that manual testcase is only ever going to be the package if there is something actually wrong with the testcase itself
[20:34] <ObrienDave> The xubuntu live session login bug
[20:34] <elfy> and this would be better in -devel or ubuntu-quality :)
[20:34] <elfy> ObrienDave: not sure if we're talking about the same bug or not
[20:35] <ObrienDave> Ok, I'll read the testcase again to be sure
[20:36] <elfy> ObrienDave: join -devel :)
[20:37] <elfy> or #ubuntu-quality
[21:28] <JackTIM> Hey guys. I've got an oddball issue with my sound, and googlefu isn't helping. Certain games (like minecraft) and software (like firefox) either lack sound or the sound is choppy. If I open the volume control program it clears up and I get proper sound. Any ideas?
[21:30] <ochosi> JackTIM: do you use anything out of the ordinary?
[21:31] <JackTIM> As far as? I think the audio programs are Alsa Mixer and Pulse Audio. The desktop is XFCE (xubuntu session). As far as anything else being "out of the ordinary" you'll have to be more specific.
[21:31] <JackTIM> Also, the audio will only stay clear so long as I keep the volume control window open.
[21:32] <ochosi> JackTIM: well, could be that you're not using the standard audio drivers, use an external soundcard, or the jack low latency audio server
[21:32] <ochosi> there are many options
[21:32] <ochosi> i just wanna get that out of the way first
[21:33] <ochosi> are you using stock xubuntu, i.e. a default install
[21:33] <JackTIM> Yes. I don't think I've modified anything about the sound, or baseline stuff. I'm still rather untrained in Linux.
[21:34] <ochosi> ok, good to know
[21:34] <Unit193> I killed and disabled pulse a few days ago since it was acting up.
[21:34] <ochosi> JackTIM: well the next question would be what version of xubuntu you're using
[21:34] <JackTIM> 13.10, I do know that it affects my sound from the sound card as well as the USB headset I have.
[21:36] <ochosi> hm, odd, i don't think i've ever experienced or heard of that issue before
[21:36] <ochosi> so it only happens with specific programmes?
[21:37] <JackTIM> Skype, Minecraft/Java, and Firefox.
[21:37] <JackTIM> At least, that I've noticed. I really don't use much else in terms of audio.
[21:37] <ochosi> firefox = youtube?
[21:37] <ochosi> so you're sure it's not a performance issue i guess?
[21:39] <JackTIM> I can't say I've encountered it on youtube. But there is a similar issue using the Netflix-Desktop setup that requires me to end the video, restart pulse audio (pulseaudio -k if that's important) to fix a framerate acceleration (and by association an audio acceleration).
[21:40] <JackTIM> Although switching the setup to Netflix via a silverlight wine wrapper thing (I believe is how it works) and a User Agent Display changer may have fixed that part.
[21:40] <JackTIM> But having experienced the problem makes me wonder if it isn't pulse.
[21:40] <ochosi> it's possible
[21:40] <ochosi> you can uninstall it if you want
[21:40] <ochosi> or kill it and use alsa
[21:41] <JackTIM> And with the exception of audio, and a few miscellaneous errors, I've had almost no problems running Xubuntu.
[21:41] <ochosi> that could be a workaround in case it's really pulse that messes things up
[21:41] <ochosi> that's nice to hear
[21:42] <Unit193> Have to set it to not autospawn in .config/pulse/client.conf
[21:43] <ochosi> yup, that is if you don't uninstall it ^
[21:43] <JackTIM> What does that do exactly?
[21:43] <ochosi> what does what do?
[21:43] <JackTIM> Setting it to not autospawn.
[21:46] <Unit193> Then it won't come back when you use pulseaudio -k
[21:46] <JackTIM> So it just makes Pulseaudio stay shut down?
[21:48] <ochosi> basically
[21:58] <JackTIM> Okay, killed and uninstalled Pulse. Cleared it up entirely.
[21:59] <JackTIM> Thanks alot guys. The Alsa volume control looks better than pulse also.
[21:59] <Unit193> The indicator won't work with just alsa, so volti or volumeicon might be used.
[22:00] <JackTIM> Thanks Unit, I was about to ask ^_^
[22:00] <Unit193> Wow, ESP be a workin' ;)
[22:01] <ochosi> good to hear it's working ok
[22:15] <JackTIM> Any recommendations for PDF viewers?
[22:16] <xubuntu283> hi, new linux user here, i have no sound, shecked the ubantu website and fallowed the directions there, it says the card is installed, the volume is up and the speakers have worked before this, also installed alsa, and still no luck
[22:17] <Unit193> JackTIM: Not evince?
[22:18] <JackTIM> I can't really find one that operates all that fast. They mostly operate at the same speed.
[22:18] <slickymaster> JackTIM, try okular
[22:18] <slickymaster> JackTIM, http://packages.ubuntu.com/okular
[22:19] <JackTIM> I'm used to using Foxit Reader for Windows.
[22:20] <slickymaster> I must say that I never used Foxit
[22:21] <xubuntu283> any ideas about the sound problem?
[22:23] <JackTIM> slickymaster: Foxit generally worked a lot better than the Adobe Acrobat Reader.
[22:24] <JackTIM> xubuntu283: I'll probably need a more experienced linux person to back me up on this, but according to a few help pages I read, as well as current experience, you might want to try disabling pulse audio.
[22:24] <JackTIM> Provided you haven't removed it already.
[22:25] <xubuntu283> ok, how would i be able to disable it, just a quick explane is fine
[22:33] <Tigger> Hi is anyone here i need some help
[22:36] <GridCube> !anyone | Tigger
[22:38] <Tigger> right well i have a server using the xubuntu Gui but its saying i have no network connection even though i can connect to the repositorys and use firefox
[22:39] <Tigger> but im trying to run a game server using konsole and i keep getting cannot bind socket on 21025 , Transport endpoint is not connected
[22:39] <Tigger> !anyone
[22:42] <Tigger> dont worry solution is found.... dont quite understand how a blank server can be having a port already in use
[23:35] <eegore_> I am so liking 13.10
[23:36] <eegore_> Had to fiddle around with it on a lenovo i3 top get the video to work but now that it is up, it is so faaast
[23:36] <slickymaster> good to ear it eegore_
[23:36] <eegore_> and I am running minimal memory
[23:36] <eegore_> they really did a good job of removing the fluff
[23:38] <eegore_> for my crews work stations, it is perfect
[23:38] <eegore_> if I need anything more intense, I just up the ram on that machine
[23:39] <eegore_> saved me a bundle on my budget