[02:19] <ahoneybun> valorie, we got one email back
[02:27]  * manchicken dances and sings...
[02:28] <MisterBlues> hey there
[02:29] <manchicken> I figured out why Configuration::FindFile was returning an empty string. Very happy.
[02:30] <MisterBlues> i just upgraded from Kubuntu 12.04 LTS to 13.10  bec/ause the kernel version of 12.04 did not support my ethernet port
[02:30] <manchicken> Fun.
[02:31] <MisterBlues> now, I noticed that under 13.10, in kinfocenter, it's only showing 4 processors where as under 12.04 there were 8 of them showing
[02:31] <MisterBlues> would anybody now how to fix / troubleshoot that?
[02:33] <MisterBlues> oh, the processor isa :     Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3230M CPU @ 2.60GHz
[02:49] <manchicken> w00t! ALL MY TESTS ARE PASSING!
[02:50] <manchicken> MisterBlues: That sounds like something for the kernel folks, no?
[02:51] <manchicken> Someone needs to document libapt.
[02:51] <manchicken> Jeez.
[02:51] <MisterBlues> hey manchicken;   i guess so...    though I'm a Linux Newbie and the first time in this chat...   ;-)
[02:52] <MisterBlues> ended up here via www.kubuntu.com
[02:53] <MisterBlues> any help that points me into the right direction is certainly appreciated
[02:53] <manchicken> MisterBlues: This channel is for the development team, if you need support you might want to try #kubuntu
[02:55] <MisterBlues> oh, ok, thanks manchicken,  I'll check that channel out... 
[02:55] <manchicken> No problems :)
[02:57] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm back on track with the libqapt tests now.
[05:58] <Noskcaj> jussi, Thanks for all the kubuntu stickers, i'll see if i can get them sent around australia
[06:17] <jussi> Noskcaj: you got them! excellent, I hope lots of people enjoy. How do they look? 
[06:18] <Noskcaj> They're really good. I'm going to try and get the guy who distributes "powered by ubuntu" stickers her to post them to people rather than me
[06:33] <jussi> Noskcaj: good news that they are nice. My Dads business made them, so that is pretty good news for me :)
[06:33] <Noskcaj> :)
[06:45] <jussi> hrm, seems that installing debug symbols from abug report is broken. Next time someone gets a bug, could you all confirm it for me? 
[06:46] <jussi> ie. get a crash, click install debug symbols, it does stuff, then tries to generate a BT, but cant because no debug symbols, asks if you want to install them, infinite loop
[07:03] <valorie> Riddell: re Kaffeine -- I guess if no one steps up, it's not needed
[07:03] <valorie> but no one stepped up for Quanta
[07:03] <valorie> and IMO we do still need that
[07:04] <valorie> kaffeine has such a great name
[07:04] <valorie> for that alone I hope it lives on
[07:15] <soee> good morning
[08:16] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:28] <apachelogger> jussi: need you to post the backtrace
[08:29] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: >> is (up until c++11 anyway) exclusively a stream operator and has not ever any other meaning... if you want to nest templates you need to use a space QList<QList<QString> > >
[08:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and what's the gameplan for the touchpad btw?
[09:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer probably has been hacking all night again and won't come on until noon :@
[11:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: libkolabxml cruely rejected from society for not conforming to its social norms
[11:07] <apachelogger> lol
[11:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: why is kde-config-whoopsie package native?
[11:09] <Riddell> something grew in the last day 
[11:09] <Riddell> kubuntu/daily-live: trusty-desktop-i386.iso oversized by 6127616 bytes (1079869440)
[11:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: because it is native :P
[11:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: ok, accepted into society
[11:13] <apachelogger> hooray
[11:15] <apachelogger> things constantly grow
[11:22] <apachelogger> ktorrent-data grew
[11:23] <apachelogger> kde-workspace-data shrunk somehow
[11:23] <apachelogger> oh perhaps because I moved a wallpaper out of there
[11:23] <apachelogger> ttf-wqy-microhei grew
[11:27] <Riddell> "Qt5.2 final release tomorrow" ooh exciting
[11:28] <Riddell> and KDE SC 4.12 should appear for packaging today
[11:29] <apachelogger> additions since saucy: firefox, gir1.2-udisks-2.0, libcauchy0, libdbusmenu-glib4, libdbusmenu-gtk4, libfolderachive4, libkpeople1, libm2mml0.0, libperl4-corelibs-perl, libraw9, libsendlater4, libstartup-notification0, plasma-runner-telepathy-contact, python3-pycurl, xul-ext-ubufox
[11:29] <apachelogger> changes since saucy: various library bumps, only notewrothy one boost1.53 to 1.54
[11:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hm? why?
[11:30] <apachelogger> remove since saucy: kubuntu-firefox-installer, libaoi1, libassuan0, libdevmapper-event1.02.1, libgc-3-1, libgnome-keyring0, libgnome-keyring-common, libpgpme11, libpgpme++2, libkolabxml0, libpython2.7, libtiff4, libxerces-c3.1, python-crypto, rekonq, udisks
[11:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: could it be that the kpeople stuff pushed it over the edge?
[11:31] <apachelogger> anyway
[11:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: i386 should contain kde-l10n-de, so the easy fix is to simply drop that from the seed
[11:32] <apachelogger> we have an ISO content review scheduled later in the cycle anyway
[11:32] <apachelogger> so I'd not look too much into this now
[11:33] <apachelogger> someone should write an app to analyz germinate output ^^
[11:33] <apachelogger> actually
[11:33] <apachelogger> spreadsheet incoming 
[11:33] <apachelogger> zomg
[11:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bad shlibs, see debian/rules
[11:37] <shadeslayer> ah drat
[11:38] <Riddell> you can just remove that whole override I think
[11:38] <shadeslayer> Riddell: comes from debian
[11:38] <Riddell> and is no longer needed with the changed abi number
[11:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+files/libkolabxml_1.0.1-0ubuntu2%7Eppa1.dsc
[11:46] <Riddell> shadeslayer: don't you get lots of moans about dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[11:46] <Riddell> ?
[11:47] <Riddell> hmm interesting, it doesn't moan if you have ~ppa1 in it
[11:47] <Riddell> anyway, uploaded
[11:48] <shadeslayer> yep, sounds like a bug in lintian to me
[11:48] <shadeslayer> thx for catching that
[12:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how did kdevelop 4.6 go?
[12:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: binaries accepted!
[12:11] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it went well, I'm running it on trusty and it crashes less often
[12:11] <shadeslayer> as for saucy, someone needs to test from kubuntu-ppa/staging
[12:13] <apachelogger> google docs is very bad
[12:13] <apachelogger> dat spreadsheet aitn doing what I want it to do :@
[12:15] <Riddell> use calligra sheets
[12:15] <Riddell> what is the binary "kdevelop!" ?
[12:15] <Riddell> is it just there to confuse bash?
[12:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: installs and works fine for me
[12:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: want to copy it over to backports and announce? (or shall I?)
[12:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: go ahead
[12:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AiHh-WCutt3jdEotb2RFaWh1dl9YbFdhdGUwQkgyNWc&output=html
[12:25] <apachelogger> libreoffice-core up almost 1 MiB installed size
[12:25] <apachelogger> kmail up 0.3
[12:25] <apachelogger> boost up 0.5
[12:28] <apachelogger> plasma-runner-telepathy 0.5
[12:29] <Riddell> hmm nifty
[12:29] <apachelogger> seems to me kdepim in general grew by >1MiB
[12:29] <Riddell> ideally http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/cdimage-size/  would be able to do that magically
[12:29] <apachelogger> almost every lib is up 10 kib
[12:30] <apachelogger> *100kib
[12:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, germinate data can be misleading anyway
[12:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: those diffs are kinda old
[12:31] <apachelogger> Package size changes >= 75 kB
[12:31] <apachelogger> technically should be that
[12:31] <apachelogger> I do have to tell you though, I'd really prefer the data in a spreadsheet
[12:31] <apachelogger> so much easier to meddle with the data
[12:36] <Peace-> :D krita beta ?
[12:37] <Riddell> go for it
[12:39] <Peace-> Riddell: already on ppa neon ?
[12:41]  * apachelogger tests daily
[12:42] <apachelogger> oho
[12:42]  * Riddell publishes kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-4.6
[12:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have anything for kubuntu-settings, otherwise I am going to upload with kickoff firefox fix
[12:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: not I
[12:44] <apachelogger>   Uploading kubuntu-settings_14.04ubuntu5_source.changes: done.
[12:44] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[12:44]  * Riddell sheds another tear
[12:45] <apachelogger> hm
[12:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: I don't get a cpu list in about-distro :O
[12:45] <apachelogger> thought that was fixed
[12:45] <Riddell> works for me
[12:45] <Riddell> in 4.11.97
[12:45] <Riddell> on saucy
[12:46] <apachelogger> not on trusty
[12:46] <apachelogger> solid-hardware query "Is Processor" returns nothing
[12:47] <apachelogger> or was it only fixed in saucy?
[12:47] <Riddell> anything in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0 ?
[12:47] <Riddell> it was a patch to solid which went upstream I think
[12:47] <apachelogger> yeah, directory contains stuff
[12:48] <apachelogger> maybe it's a live session problem
[12:48] <Riddell> hmm, wouldn't think so
[12:49] <apachelogger> oh god, the broken progressbar in ubiquity :@
[12:49] <Riddell> ?
[12:49] <Peace-> xD tears
[12:49] <apachelogger> qt colors rather than oxygen colors
[12:50] <Riddell> ah, your favourite bug
[12:51] <apachelogger> I am not even sure why it is misbehaving
[12:54] <apachelogger> but the platform plugin is loaded
[12:54] <apachelogger> :@
[12:55] <apachelogger> ohm
[12:55] <apachelogger> interestingly enough kcmshell4 colors as root will also show bogus colors
[12:55] <apachelogger> despite the kcm thinking the colors shoudl be oxygen
[12:55] <apachelogger> weirdest issue in the world
[12:55] <Sick_Rimmit> Hi everyone
[12:56] <Sick_Rimmit> Just finished re-installing Kubuntu after the Ubuntu-sdk killed it !! Ouch!!
[12:56] <xnox> apachelogger: is it because the installer is started with pkexec and thus clears the environment and thus half of theming is lost?
[12:56] <xnox> apachelogger: e.g. on gtk side, we loose overlay scrollbars =(
[12:57] <apachelogger> certainly possible
[12:57]  * apachelogger looks at the platform plugin code
[13:02] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:03] <apachelogger> it may have to do with KDE_FULL_SESSION not being set, although I do not find any code inside the palette handling that is dependent on a full session
[13:12] <apachelogger> xnox: do you happen to know how to restart ubiquity-dm?
[13:14] <xnox> apachelogger: stop --no-wait lightdm; stop ubiquity; pkill -9 X; start ubiquity
[13:14] <xnox> as root
[13:14] <apachelogger> thx
[13:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: phonon4qt5 is in the archive!
[13:17] <apachelogger> hoorayz
[13:17] <apachelogger> Riddell++
[13:17] <apachelogger> I have a fix for the color problem
[13:17] <apachelogger> weeh
[13:17] <apachelogger> well... more like workaround
[13:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: uploading a new kde-config-whoopsie unless you expect to do more to it 
[13:20] <apachelogger> xnox, Riddell: if someone could throw that at the ubiquity branch please http://paste.ubuntu.com/6555981/
[13:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: nothing on my board right now
[13:27] <xnox> apachelogger: sorry busy.
[13:30] <Riddell> xnox, apachelogger: I can take it
[13:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1245542 definitely is present in trusty again
[13:44] <apachelogger> at least in vbox
[13:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: life is cruel
[13:45] <apachelogger> yeah :(
[13:45] <apachelogger> otherwise daily is looking fine (no l10n tested)
[13:47] <Riddell> lovely, thanks for testing
[13:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: topicdiff?
[13:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: munich stuff gone
[13:52] <Riddell> a shame, I had fun in munich
[13:52] <apachelogger> ^^
[13:52] <Riddell> maybe the taipai dudes will invite us out
[14:02] <apachelogger> so much stuff to do :'(
[14:04] <apachelogger> and people talking about xine in #kubuntu 
[14:04]  * apachelogger spooked
[14:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: and now about oss, retro sound systems!
[14:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: why don't we use OSS btw? :P
[14:09] <apachelogger> cause alsa is rather not thread safe
[14:48] <Riddell> anyone got more bugs for user-manager? https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?product=user-manager&list_id=813885https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?product=user-manager&list_id=813885
[14:48] <Riddell> https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?product=user-manager&list_id=813885
[14:48] <Riddell> one of those
[15:02]  * apachelogger sighs
[15:03] <apachelogger> well, going to fire up the old cooking robot and then prep a muon SRU
[15:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's to SRU in muon?
[15:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ooh you made The Dot!  fame at last! http://dot.kde.org/2013/12/09/early-kde-plasma-2-images-now-available
[15:17] <Riddell> hi New 
[15:18] <New> Hi there
[15:18] <shadeslayer> huh
[15:18] <shadeslayer> cool :)
[15:18] <New> Why is the install image 704Mb? It doesn't fit on a cd. Who does that?
[15:18] <Riddell> our install images about about 1GiB
[15:19] <New> I mean the kubuntu LTS. I want to install that for dad.
[15:20] <New> Never mind. I just wanted to complain. 704Mb images are not "Friendly Computing" at all.
[15:21] <New> quit
[15:21] <apachelogger> usb sticks are el cheapo
[15:21] <New> exit
[15:21] <jussi> New: most people don't use cd's anymore
[15:21] <BluesKaj> I still do , since this old pc can't boot from USB
[15:23] <Riddell> a 700MB CD is 737.280MB according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-ROM and our images are 738197504, so yes that is oversized
[15:24] <BluesKaj> well dvds work too 
[15:24] <BluesKaj> I still have a stack of dvdrws
[18:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I don't suppose you have something that maps pci values to generic names
[18:38] <shadeslayer> for eg  pci:v000014E4d00004331sv000014E4sd00004331bc02sc80i00 to "Wifi Card"
[18:54] <soee> chromium is stupid :) it wont allow me to shuffle tabs :<
[18:54] <soee> just move them to separate window
[19:11] <manchicken> Yay! New KDevelop!
[19:12] <soee> !
[19:17]  * Peace- 92% kde-workspace patched :D
[19:20] <soee> i suppose its  a good news ? :)
[19:21] <Peace-> soee: aseigo has patched plasma for me :D
[19:22] <soee> Peace-: im not to good with all this plasma insides
[19:22] <soee> :}
[19:22] <soee> i can use it and test it atm :)
[19:24] <Peace-> soee: there is a problem with plasma javascript engine at the moment :S  https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bxy7Wd7ZYDezRk02VF82b2pxbDQ/edit?usp=sharing
[19:26] <soee> whats with wallpapers ?
[19:28] <Peace-> soee: yes 
[19:29] <Peace-> soee: when you create new activities there is a problem , sometimes it just doesn't fill the destkop with a correct resolution and then .... setting again your wallpaper via right click => desktop settings => bla bla it just go crazy
[19:29] <soee> :-)
[21:49] <ScottK> Installed 4.11.3 and it didn't immediately fall over dead.
[21:57] <manchicken> Anybody try the new KDevelop yet?
[21:57] <manchicken> I'm stoked to try it tonight when I get home.
[22:03] <shadeslayer> manchicken: it crashes a bit less :P
[22:03] <shadeslayer> happy about that
[22:10] <manchicken> w00t
[22:11] <manchicken> Does it work with GDB better?
[22:11] <manchicken> Because current GDB integration inspires hate and loathing.
[22:11] <manchicken> Trying to debug my tests was not fun at all.
[22:53] <Quintasan> \o