| manchicken | Does anybody know anything about library documentation? Is that in the scope of this channel? | 03:19 |
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| slickymaster | morning all | 10:39 |
| cprofitt | hello all | 13:55 |
| slickymaster | afternoon all | 14:28 |
| belkinsa | Hello there | 14:28 |
| slickymaster | hi belkinsa | 14:28 |
| knome | hey | 15:50 |
| belkinsa | Hey there | 15:50 |
| knome | my connection failed on me yesterday | 15:50 |
| belkinsa | For IRC? | 15:50 |
| knome | for internet | 15:51 |
| belkinsa | Ah. | 15:52 |
| belkinsa | I had my first disconnect from the IRC channels that I was in. | 15:52 |
| slickymaster | hi knome | 15:52 |
| knome | hello slickymaster | 15:56 |
| slickymaster | knome: I'm putting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox on hold today because I have to finish the xfdesktop documentation for ochosi | 15:58 |
| knome | sure, np | 15:59 |
| knome | you probably noticed i did some more work on it ;) | 15:59 |
| slickymaster | yeah, saw it | 15:59 |
| slickymaster | and I made a small change n your work :P | 15:59 |
| knome | i hope that makes it easier to cutn down on the number of links | 15:59 |
| slickymaster | moved the http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index link to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox#News_and_blog_sites section | 16:00 |
| knome | sure | 16:00 |
| knome | free to poke around, my word isn't the law | 16:00 |
| slickymaster | :) | 16:01 |
| twkrimm_ | The Ubuntu Document Team has the "Getting Started Guide" for various versions of Ubuntu availabel on www.lulu.com | 18:32 |
| twkrimm_ | There must be a reason | 18:32 |
| twkrimm_ | I wanted to order a printed document versin of LinuxCNC getting started and User manual from LULU but I am running into problems doing this? | 18:33 |
| twkrimm_ | How did the Document Team setup this up at www.lulu.com? | 18:34 |
| twkrimm_ | Does the docuemtn tema get any funds form this arrangement? | 18:34 |
| twkrimm_ | I would liek to convinece the LinuxCNC folks to do something similar | 18:35 |
| twkrimm_ | What do I need to do? | 18:35 |
| slickymaster | twkrimm_: the right person to inform you on that is godbyk | 18:35 |
| slickymaster | godbyk: ^^^ | 18:35 |
| twkrimm_ | godbyk are you there? | 18:36 |
| godbyk | slickymaster and twkrimm_ : I'm here now. | 18:37 |
| godbyk | The Ubuntu Manual team creates a beginner's guide each cycle. | 18:37 |
| slickymaster | hi godbyk, twkrimm_ has something to ask you regarding our printed version of the manual | 18:37 |
| godbyk | You can download PDFs of the manual at http://ubuntu-manual.org/ or order printed copies by clicking the 'Buy this book' star on the front page. | 18:38 |
| slickymaster | you already saw it :P | 18:38 |
| twkrimm_ | How did you setup the publishing arrangment at www.lulu.com | 18:38 |
| godbyk | We originally used lulu.com, but encountered problems with some of their printers in Europe. So we switched to CreateSpace.com. | 18:38 |
| twkrimm_ | I want to do something similar with the LinuxCNC Getting Started and User Guides | 18:38 |
| godbyk | Unfortunately, CreateSpace.com recently suspended some of our manuals because they apparently disallow CC-licensed material. | 18:38 |
| godbyk | So now I'm searching for a new printer. | 18:38 |
| twkrimm_ | Are the USA printers OK for LULU? | 18:39 |
| godbyk | twkrimm_: You just create an account at lulu.com and you can create a new book there. You upload a PDF of your book and that's it. | 18:39 |
| godbyk | I haven't had any problem with the US-based printers. | 18:39 |
| twkrimm_ | I thought I had to be the owner, do they check for that? | 18:40 |
| godbyk | One tip: make sure you don't have any transparency in your PDF. Their printers choke on that sometimes. | 18:40 |
| godbyk | Hmm.. I'm not sure. I know that CreateSpace.com wants you to have exclusive publishing rights. | 18:40 |
| godbyk | With Lulu.com, I don't know if they're that restrictive. | 18:40 |
| godbyk | (It hasn't been an issue for me since the Ubuntu Manual Project itself is uploading the PDFs to Lulu.com.) | 18:41 |
| twkrimm_ | Somehow you set this up at LULU | 18:41 |
| godbyk | They don't do any checking up front. | 18:41 |
| godbyk | They assume you're allowed to print/sell the book you're uploading. | 18:42 |
| twkrimm_ | I guess I can try and see what happens | 18:42 |
| godbyk | How is are the LinuxCNC guides licensed? | 18:42 |
| twkrimm_ | Is there a way I can set things up so a percentgae goes back to LinuxCNC group? | 18:42 |
| godbyk | Perhaps you could convince the LinuxCNC guys to make their books available via Lulu.com (if you're not a part of the project yourself). | 18:42 |
| twkrimm_ | "How is are the LinuxCNC guides licensed?" I know that at least one of them is GFDL | 18:43 |
| godbyk | You can set the price on the books, but any money you get would go you the account you specify. | 18:43 |
| godbyk | When I upload the Ubuntu Manual guides, I set the price as low as they'll let me, so there are no royalties. | 18:43 |
| twkrimm_ | anythig else you can think of that I might need to know about?? | 18:46 |
| godbyk | Hmm.. not really. The set up process itself is fairly easy. You just upload the PDF of the book, fill in a form with title, author, etc., set a price, create a cover, and that's it. | 18:47 |
| godbyk | You can also make the book private so only you can see it. | 18:47 |
| twkrimm_ | thanks for the help : ) | 18:48 |
| godbyk | If you run into any problems or have any questions, feel free to pester me. :) | 18:48 |
| twkrimm_ | I am new to the IRC channels. How do you know when I am on line? | 18:49 |
| twkrimm_ | did slickymaster send you a message? | 18:50 |
| godbyk | I just got back to my computer and noticed the messages you guys had written. | 18:50 |
| godbyk | You can also email me at <godbyk@gmail.com> if you prefer. | 18:50 |
| twkrimm_ | os you leave IRC up when you are on line? | 18:50 |
| godbyk | I usually leave IRC up all the time, even when I'm away from the computer. | 18:51 |
| godbyk | When I get back I try to catch up on the conversations to see if I missed anything interesting/important. | 18:51 |
| twkrimm_ | I unplug the network connection from my computer if Iamgoing to be away for a long time, I guess I am Paranoid | 18:53 |
| godbyk | Or perhaps I'm just not paranoid enough. ;-) | 18:54 |
| twkrimm_ | thanks for all of the help | 18:56 |
| godbyk | No problem. | 18:57 |
| slickymaster | knome, am I wrong to assume that you haven't added any of the links associated to the signpost page to the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OtherResources? | 21:59 |
| knome | slickymaster, no, haven't added anything, just rearranged and removed some | 22:01 |
| slickymaster | all of them added up makes up a pretyy big list | 22:02 |
| knome | yep. | 22:02 |
| slickymaster | well, moaning won't get it done | 22:02 |
| knome | yep ;) | 22:02 |
| knome | we should just cut the list down. | 22:02 |
| slickymaster | no, I'll do it | 22:02 |
| slickymaster | that way there will not be any chances of someone saying that we leave something behind | 22:03 |
| slickymaster | by the way knome, when you got time please pay a visit to #ubuntu-newdocs | 22:03 |
| pleia2 | whose idea was it to subscribe me to all help.u.c pages | 23:24 |
| pleia2 | oh, that was me :( | 23:24 |
| knome | hah | 23:24 |
| phillw | pleia2: knome any chance of a quick chat? | 23:30 |
| knome | i'm here | 23:35 |
| knome | and can chat | 23:35 |
| phillw | knome: you still xubuntu? | 23:35 |
| knome | yup | 23:36 |
| phillw | what plans do you have for a manual for 14.04? | 23:36 |
| knome | we will keep updating and extending our docs | 23:36 |
| knome | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-docs for the complete list of projects/goals and work items | 23:37 |
| phillw | so, no actual http://ubuntu-manual.org/ | 23:37 |
| knome | no plans to do such thing | 23:39 |
| phillw | okies. Thanks | 23:39 |
| knome | our docs will be online as usually at http://docs.xubuntu.org/ though, and i suppose it wouldn't be too hard to craft a pdf out of that either | 23:39 |
| knome | pleia2, ^ random idea | 23:40 |
| belkinsa | I like that idea because I think it's needed for all of the favours of Ubuntu. | 23:40 |
| phillw | I ask here, as the -manual channel has been pretty quiet. | 23:40 |
| knome | belkinsa, have you looked at the xubuntu documentation lately? | 23:41 |
| belkinsa | No...I'm a Ubuntu user. | 23:41 |
| slickymaster | phillw, the manual team hasn't been quiet, though https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApS28NMLnYJXdEdGQjRtUWtaOUZxREVzUldSOU5kc2c#gid=4 | 23:42 |
| phillw | belkinsa: making a manual, is quite a lot of work. I need to know that the manual project is still alive and then find people to help. | 23:42 |
| slickymaster | phillw, ^^^ | 23:42 |
| belkinsa | What sort of skills does one need for the manual? | 23:42 |
| knome | belkinsa, ...and a docs team member. you should check our docs; after that, i'd like to hear again if you think we need a manual :) | 23:43 |
| slickymaster | phillw, the prepping stage of v. 14.04 has already started | 23:43 |
| slickymaster | belkinsa, http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved | 23:43 |
| knome | belkinsa, (without knowing what other flavors are doing with their documentation, how can you know if they need another manual or not?) | 23:43 |
| belkinsa | Good point. | 23:43 |
| phillw | slickymaster: that's the 1st link I've seen! why no activity on #ubuntu-manual? | 23:43 |
| slickymaster | we usually meet, but not at the beggining of the cycle | 23:44 |
| knome | belkinsa, i guess one part of that is also that flavors probably do not need to cover the ubuntu core stuff, because that's done in the existing manual already :) so the scope for flavor documentation is quite a lot narrower... | 23:44 |
| slickymaster | but the team is alive and already working, even though some more hands on deck would be appreciated | 23:45 |
| belkinsa | Yeah, I think I was thinking about that. Just over the core parts of that favour. | 23:45 |
| slickymaster | phillw, you'd need to poke godbyk on it, as he's the lead on the manual team | 23:46 |
| slickymaster | he's probably around | 23:46 |
| slickymaster | godbyk, ^^^ | 23:46 |
| phillw | slickymaster: ta... I'm back on the -manual area now. | 23:47 |
| godbyk | phillw: I know the Lubuntu team was going to try to create a manual for 14.04. I don't recall hearing anything from the Xubuntu team about it. | 23:47 |
| knome | godbyk, you just did ^^ | 23:48 |
| knome | if anybody thinks something important is missing from the xubuntu docs (that seems to be xubuntu-related/-specific), please ping me with the subject you'd like to have covered | 23:49 |
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