[03:19] <manchicken> Does anybody know anything about library documentation? Is that in the scope of this channel?
[10:39] <slickymaster> morning all
[13:55] <cprofitt> hello all
[14:28] <slickymaster> afternoon all
[14:28] <belkinsa> Hello there
[14:28] <slickymaster> hi belkinsa
[15:50] <knome> hey
[15:50] <belkinsa> Hey there
[15:50] <knome> my connection failed on me yesterday
[15:50] <belkinsa> For IRC?
[15:51] <knome> for internet
[15:52] <belkinsa> Ah.
[15:52] <belkinsa> I had my first disconnect from the IRC channels that I was in.
[15:52] <slickymaster> hi knome
[15:56] <knome> hello slickymaster
[15:58] <slickymaster> knome: I'm putting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox on hold today because I have to finish the xfdesktop documentation for ochosi
[15:59] <knome> sure, np
[15:59] <knome> you probably noticed i did some more work on it ;)
[15:59] <slickymaster> yeah, saw it
[15:59] <slickymaster> and I made a small change n your work :P
[15:59] <knome> i hope that makes it easier to cutn down on the number of links
[16:00] <slickymaster> moved the http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index link to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox#News_and_blog_sites section
[16:00] <knome> sure
[16:00] <knome> free to poke around, my word isn't the law
[16:01] <slickymaster> :)
[18:32] <twkrimm_> The Ubuntu Document Team has the "Getting Started Guide" for various versions of Ubuntu availabel on www.lulu.com
[18:32] <twkrimm_> There must be a reason
[18:33] <twkrimm_> I wanted to order a printed document versin of LinuxCNC getting started and User manual from LULU but I am running into problems doing this?
[18:34] <twkrimm_> How did the Document Team setup this up at www.lulu.com?
[18:34] <twkrimm_> Does the docuemtn tema get any funds form this arrangement?
[18:35] <twkrimm_> I would liek to convinece the LinuxCNC folks to do something similar
[18:35] <twkrimm_> What do I need to do?
[18:35] <slickymaster> twkrimm_: the right person to inform you on that is godbyk
[18:35] <slickymaster> godbyk: ^^^
[18:36] <twkrimm_> godbyk are you there?
[18:37] <godbyk> slickymaster and twkrimm_ : I'm here now.
[18:37] <godbyk> The Ubuntu Manual team creates a beginner's guide each cycle.
[18:37] <slickymaster> hi godbyk, twkrimm_ has something to ask you regarding our printed version of the manual
[18:38] <godbyk> You can download PDFs of the manual at http://ubuntu-manual.org/ or order printed copies by clicking the 'Buy this book' star on the front page.
[18:38] <slickymaster> you already saw it :P
[18:38] <twkrimm_> How did you setup the publishing arrangment at www.lulu.com
[18:38] <godbyk> We originally used lulu.com, but encountered problems with some of their printers in Europe. So we switched to CreateSpace.com.
[18:38] <twkrimm_> I want to do something similar with the LinuxCNC Getting Started and User Guides
[18:38] <godbyk> Unfortunately, CreateSpace.com recently suspended some of our manuals because they apparently disallow CC-licensed material.
[18:38] <godbyk> So now I'm searching for a new printer.
[18:39] <twkrimm_> Are the USA printers OK for LULU?
[18:39] <godbyk> twkrimm_: You just create an account at lulu.com and you can create a new book there. You upload a PDF of your book and that's it.
[18:39] <godbyk> I haven't had any problem with the US-based printers.
[18:40] <twkrimm_> I thought I had to be the owner, do they check for that?
[18:40] <godbyk> One tip: make sure you don't have any transparency in your PDF. Their printers choke on that sometimes.
[18:40] <godbyk> Hmm.. I'm not sure. I know that CreateSpace.com wants you to have exclusive publishing rights.
[18:40] <godbyk> With Lulu.com, I don't know if they're that restrictive.
[18:41] <godbyk> (It hasn't been an issue for me since the Ubuntu Manual Project itself is uploading the PDFs to Lulu.com.)
[18:41] <twkrimm_> Somehow you set this up at LULU
[18:41] <godbyk> They don't do any checking up front.
[18:42] <godbyk> They assume you're allowed to print/sell the book you're uploading.
[18:42] <twkrimm_> I guess I can try and see what happens
[18:42] <godbyk> How is are the LinuxCNC guides licensed?
[18:42] <twkrimm_> Is there a way I can set things up so a percentgae goes back to LinuxCNC group?
[18:42] <godbyk> Perhaps you could convince the LinuxCNC guys to make their books available via Lulu.com (if you're not a part of the project yourself).
[18:43] <twkrimm_> "How is are the LinuxCNC guides licensed?" I know that at least one of them is GFDL
[18:43] <godbyk> You can set the price on the books, but any money you get would go you the account you specify.
[18:43] <godbyk> When I upload the Ubuntu Manual guides, I set the price as low as they'll let me, so there are no royalties.
[18:46] <twkrimm_> anythig else you can think of that I might need to know about??
[18:47] <godbyk> Hmm.. not really. The set up process itself is fairly easy. You just upload the PDF of the book, fill in a form with title, author, etc., set a price, create a cover, and that's it.
[18:47] <godbyk> You can also make the book private so only you can see it.
[18:48] <twkrimm_> thanks for the help : )
[18:48] <godbyk> If you run into any problems or have any questions, feel free to pester me. :)
[18:49] <twkrimm_> I am new to the IRC channels. How do you know when I am on line?
[18:50] <twkrimm_> did slickymaster send you a message?
[18:50] <godbyk> I just got back to my computer and noticed the messages you guys had written.
[18:50] <godbyk> You can also email me at <godbyk@gmail.com> if you prefer.
[18:50] <twkrimm_> os you leave IRC up when you are on line?
[18:51] <godbyk> I usually leave IRC up all the time, even when I'm away from the computer.
[18:51] <godbyk> When I get back I try to catch up on the conversations to see if I missed anything interesting/important.
[18:53] <twkrimm_> I unplug the network connection from my computer if Iamgoing to be away for a long time, I guess I am Paranoid
[18:54] <godbyk> Or perhaps I'm just not paranoid enough. ;-)
[18:56] <twkrimm_> thanks for all of the help
[18:57] <godbyk> No problem.
[21:59] <slickymaster> knome, am I wrong to assume that you haven't added any of the links associated to the signpost page to the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OtherResources?
[22:01] <knome> slickymaster, no, haven't added anything, just rearranged and removed some
[22:02] <slickymaster> all of them added up makes up a pretyy big list
[22:02] <knome> yep.
[22:02] <slickymaster> well, moaning won't get it done
[22:02] <knome> yep ;)
[22:02] <knome> we should just cut the list down.
[22:02] <slickymaster> no, I'll do it
[22:03] <slickymaster> that way there will not be any chances of someone saying that we leave something behind
[22:03] <slickymaster> by the way knome, when you got time please pay a visit to #ubuntu-newdocs
[23:24] <pleia2> whose idea was it to subscribe me to all help.u.c pages
[23:24] <pleia2> oh, that was me :(
[23:24] <knome> hah
[23:30] <phillw> pleia2: knome any chance of a quick chat?
[23:35] <knome> i'm here
[23:35] <knome> and can chat
[23:35] <phillw> knome: you still xubuntu?
[23:36] <knome> yup
[23:36] <phillw> what plans do you have for a manual for 14.04?
[23:36] <knome> we will keep updating and extending our docs
[23:37] <knome> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-docs for the complete list of projects/goals and work items
[23:37] <phillw> so, no actual http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[23:39] <knome> no plans to do such thing
[23:39] <phillw> okies. Thanks
[23:39] <knome> our docs will be online as usually at http://docs.xubuntu.org/ though, and i suppose it wouldn't be too hard to craft a pdf out of that either
[23:40] <knome> pleia2, ^ random idea
[23:40] <belkinsa> I like that idea because I think it's needed for all of the favours of Ubuntu.
[23:40] <phillw> I ask here, as the -manual channel has been pretty quiet.
[23:41] <knome> belkinsa, have you looked at the xubuntu documentation lately?
[23:41] <belkinsa> No...I'm a Ubuntu user.
[23:42] <slickymaster> phillw, the manual team hasn't been quiet, though https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApS28NMLnYJXdEdGQjRtUWtaOUZxREVzUldSOU5kc2c#gid=4
[23:42] <phillw> belkinsa: making a manual, is quite a lot of work. I need to know that the manual project is still alive and then find people to help.
[23:42] <slickymaster> phillw, ^^^
[23:42] <belkinsa> What sort of skills does one need for the manual?
[23:43] <knome> belkinsa, ...and a docs team member. you should check our docs; after that, i'd like to hear again if you think we need a manual :)
[23:43] <slickymaster> phillw, the prepping stage of v. 14.04 has already started
[23:43] <slickymaster> belkinsa, http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved
[23:43] <knome> belkinsa, (without knowing what other flavors are doing with their documentation, how can you know if they need another manual or not?)
[23:43] <belkinsa> Good point.
[23:43] <phillw> slickymaster: that's the 1st link I've seen! why no activity on #ubuntu-manual?
[23:44] <slickymaster> we usually meet, but not at the beggining of the cycle
[23:44] <knome> belkinsa, i guess one part of that is also that flavors probably do not need to cover the ubuntu core stuff, because that's done in the existing manual already :) so the scope for flavor documentation is quite a lot narrower...
[23:45] <slickymaster> but the team is alive and already working, even though some more hands on deck would be appreciated
[23:45] <belkinsa> Yeah, I think I was thinking about that.  Just over the core parts of that favour.
[23:46] <slickymaster> phillw, you'd need to poke godbyk on it, as he's the lead on the manual team
[23:46] <slickymaster> he's probably around
[23:46] <slickymaster> godbyk, ^^^
[23:47] <phillw> slickymaster: ta... I'm back on the -manual area now.
[23:47] <godbyk> phillw: I know the Lubuntu team was going to try to create a manual for 14.04. I don't recall hearing anything from the Xubuntu team about it.
[23:48] <knome> godbyk, you just did ^^
[23:49] <knome> if anybody thinks something important is missing from the xubuntu docs (that seems to be xubuntu-related/-specific), please ping me with the subject you'd like to have covered