[03:19] Does anybody know anything about library documentation? Is that in the scope of this channel? [10:39] morning all [13:55] hello all [14:28] afternoon all [14:28] Hello there [14:28] hi belkinsa [15:50] hey [15:50] Hey there [15:50] my connection failed on me yesterday [15:50] For IRC? [15:51] for internet [15:52] Ah. [15:52] I had my first disconnect from the IRC channels that I was in. [15:52] hi knome [15:56] hello slickymaster [15:58] knome: I'm putting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox on hold today because I have to finish the xfdesktop documentation for ochosi [15:59] sure, np [15:59] you probably noticed i did some more work on it ;) [15:59] yeah, saw it [15:59] and I made a small change n your work :P [15:59] i hope that makes it easier to cutn down on the number of links [16:00] moved the http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index link to the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster/LinksMergeSandbox#News_and_blog_sites section [16:00] sure [16:00] free to poke around, my word isn't the law [16:01] :) [18:32] The Ubuntu Document Team has the "Getting Started Guide" for various versions of Ubuntu availabel on www.lulu.com [18:32] There must be a reason [18:33] I wanted to order a printed document versin of LinuxCNC getting started and User manual from LULU but I am running into problems doing this? [18:34] How did the Document Team setup this up at www.lulu.com? [18:34] Does the docuemtn tema get any funds form this arrangement? [18:35] I would liek to convinece the LinuxCNC folks to do something similar [18:35] What do I need to do? [18:35] twkrimm_: the right person to inform you on that is godbyk [18:35] godbyk: ^^^ [18:36] godbyk are you there? [18:37] slickymaster and twkrimm_ : I'm here now. [18:37] The Ubuntu Manual team creates a beginner's guide each cycle. [18:37] hi godbyk, twkrimm_ has something to ask you regarding our printed version of the manual [18:38] You can download PDFs of the manual at http://ubuntu-manual.org/ or order printed copies by clicking the 'Buy this book' star on the front page. [18:38] you already saw it :P [18:38] How did you setup the publishing arrangment at www.lulu.com [18:38] We originally used lulu.com, but encountered problems with some of their printers in Europe. So we switched to CreateSpace.com. [18:38] I want to do something similar with the LinuxCNC Getting Started and User Guides [18:38] Unfortunately, CreateSpace.com recently suspended some of our manuals because they apparently disallow CC-licensed material. [18:38] So now I'm searching for a new printer. [18:39] Are the USA printers OK for LULU? [18:39] twkrimm_: You just create an account at lulu.com and you can create a new book there. You upload a PDF of your book and that's it. [18:39] I haven't had any problem with the US-based printers. [18:40] I thought I had to be the owner, do they check for that? [18:40] One tip: make sure you don't have any transparency in your PDF. Their printers choke on that sometimes. [18:40] Hmm.. I'm not sure. I know that CreateSpace.com wants you to have exclusive publishing rights. [18:40] With Lulu.com, I don't know if they're that restrictive. [18:41] (It hasn't been an issue for me since the Ubuntu Manual Project itself is uploading the PDFs to Lulu.com.) [18:41] Somehow you set this up at LULU [18:41] They don't do any checking up front. [18:42] They assume you're allowed to print/sell the book you're uploading. [18:42] I guess I can try and see what happens [18:42] How is are the LinuxCNC guides licensed? [18:42] Is there a way I can set things up so a percentgae goes back to LinuxCNC group? [18:42] Perhaps you could convince the LinuxCNC guys to make their books available via Lulu.com (if you're not a part of the project yourself). [18:43] "How is are the LinuxCNC guides licensed?" I know that at least one of them is GFDL [18:43] You can set the price on the books, but any money you get would go you the account you specify. [18:43] When I upload the Ubuntu Manual guides, I set the price as low as they'll let me, so there are no royalties. [18:46] anythig else you can think of that I might need to know about?? [18:47] Hmm.. not really. The set up process itself is fairly easy. You just upload the PDF of the book, fill in a form with title, author, etc., set a price, create a cover, and that's it. [18:47] You can also make the book private so only you can see it. [18:48] thanks for the help : ) [18:48] If you run into any problems or have any questions, feel free to pester me. :) [18:49] I am new to the IRC channels. How do you know when I am on line? [18:50] did slickymaster send you a message? [18:50] I just got back to my computer and noticed the messages you guys had written. [18:50] You can also email me at if you prefer. [18:50] os you leave IRC up when you are on line? [18:51] I usually leave IRC up all the time, even when I'm away from the computer. [18:51] When I get back I try to catch up on the conversations to see if I missed anything interesting/important. [18:53] I unplug the network connection from my computer if Iamgoing to be away for a long time, I guess I am Paranoid [18:54] Or perhaps I'm just not paranoid enough. ;-) [18:56] thanks for all of the help [18:57] No problem. [21:59] knome, am I wrong to assume that you haven't added any of the links associated to the signpost page to the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OtherResources? [22:01] slickymaster, no, haven't added anything, just rearranged and removed some [22:02] all of them added up makes up a pretyy big list [22:02] yep. [22:02] well, moaning won't get it done [22:02] yep ;) [22:02] we should just cut the list down. [22:02] no, I'll do it [22:03] that way there will not be any chances of someone saying that we leave something behind [22:03] by the way knome, when you got time please pay a visit to #ubuntu-newdocs [23:24] whose idea was it to subscribe me to all help.u.c pages [23:24] oh, that was me :( [23:24] hah [23:30] pleia2: knome any chance of a quick chat? [23:35] i'm here [23:35] and can chat [23:35] knome: you still xubuntu? [23:36] yup [23:36] what plans do you have for a manual for 14.04? [23:36] we will keep updating and extending our docs [23:37] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-docs for the complete list of projects/goals and work items [23:37] so, no actual http://ubuntu-manual.org/ [23:39] no plans to do such thing [23:39] okies. Thanks [23:39] our docs will be online as usually at http://docs.xubuntu.org/ though, and i suppose it wouldn't be too hard to craft a pdf out of that either [23:40] pleia2, ^ random idea [23:40] I like that idea because I think it's needed for all of the favours of Ubuntu. [23:40] I ask here, as the -manual channel has been pretty quiet. [23:41] belkinsa, have you looked at the xubuntu documentation lately? [23:41] No...I'm a Ubuntu user. [23:42] phillw, the manual team hasn't been quiet, though https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApS28NMLnYJXdEdGQjRtUWtaOUZxREVzUldSOU5kc2c#gid=4 [23:42] belkinsa: making a manual, is quite a lot of work. I need to know that the manual project is still alive and then find people to help. [23:42] phillw, ^^^ [23:42] What sort of skills does one need for the manual? [23:43] belkinsa, ...and a docs team member. you should check our docs; after that, i'd like to hear again if you think we need a manual :) [23:43] phillw, the prepping stage of v. 14.04 has already started [23:43] belkinsa, http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved [23:43] belkinsa, (without knowing what other flavors are doing with their documentation, how can you know if they need another manual or not?) [23:43] Good point. [23:43] slickymaster: that's the 1st link I've seen! why no activity on #ubuntu-manual? [23:44] we usually meet, but not at the beggining of the cycle [23:44] belkinsa, i guess one part of that is also that flavors probably do not need to cover the ubuntu core stuff, because that's done in the existing manual already :) so the scope for flavor documentation is quite a lot narrower... [23:45] but the team is alive and already working, even though some more hands on deck would be appreciated [23:45] Yeah, I think I was thinking about that. Just over the core parts of that favour. [23:46] phillw, you'd need to poke godbyk on it, as he's the lead on the manual team [23:46] he's probably around [23:46] godbyk, ^^^ [23:47] slickymaster: ta... I'm back on the -manual area now. [23:47] phillw: I know the Lubuntu team was going to try to create a manual for 14.04. I don't recall hearing anything from the Xubuntu team about it. [23:48] godbyk, you just did ^^ [23:49] if anybody thinks something important is missing from the xubuntu docs (that seems to be xubuntu-related/-specific), please ping me with the subject you'd like to have covered