[00:00] yes, i know i can because i jsut noticed i was doing that for the toolbar icons. i guess the reason the arrows dont appear in the listview is something else! [00:00] but thx cwayne :) [00:00] doh, sorry [00:01] s4 i9505 only has sound with headphones [00:10] hello i am not a dev. but I'm wondering how the development of ubuntu os for phones is going. i see that i can install it on a ranch of devices but I'm wondering how long (in everyones on respective approximate opinion) until it is a viable replacement for something like android os? [00:11] when u port and get mobile data sound camera wifi video playback and sdcard mounted then thats an instant switch for me regardless of bugs [00:12] speaking of which, anyone know how to mount a physical SDCARD . i cant work out what device device it is :P [00:15] grub, i'd say a fair bit. In a year, ubutu touch will be pretty mature, i'd say. [00:15] but we can't forget that android has been around for a while now. [00:16] totally [00:17] lops, how is the desktop experience running ubuntu on an "android" phone like a nexus 4 compare to ubuntu running on a laptop? [00:17] is that 'side' of it fully functional or is there still a lot to be done as well? [00:18] what do you mean, desktop experience on a phone? i'm probably not the best guy to answer that though [00:19] atm i have 4 choices. ubuntu-touch or android on my samsung galaxy s4 , android on my atrix 4g with desktop via webtop , or use a desktop/laptop :P [00:20] lops my understanding of this system is that when you dock the phone to a monitor/keyboard you get full ubuntu unity running on the phones hardware. and when it is undocked you are using the ubuntu touch phone interface. am i incorrect? [00:20] is there some problem with SingleValue/MUltipleValue displaying icons? [00:21] im going to plug my ubuntu touch into the tv ..... [00:21] grub, yes, but i've no idea how's that going TBH [00:21] ok thx [00:22] grub: the convergence stuff (i.e. docking it and using it as a desktop) is targeted for later [00:23] cwayne, so it hasn't been added yet? that feature does not work? [00:23] grub: correct, not yet [00:23] it works.. in your heart [00:24] well it works as ufa :) [00:24] cwayne, how about "ubuntu for android"? http://www.ubuntu.com/phone/ubuntu-for-android [00:24] is that still a thing? is it a separate thing? [00:24] grub: it's not been released [00:24] yeah, it's a separate thing [00:24] ah ok [00:25] i tried to dock it with mhl , but just ablack screen (its recognised tho [00:26] so is the ubuntu touch software still the save underlying software as the ubuntu running on my comp? just with a different UI? [00:26] or is that "the goal"? [00:27] right now, ubuntu on the desktop is still "becoming like" ubutu touch [00:27] because by default Ubuntu doesn't bring Mir [00:27] the desktop environment isn't the same [00:28] grub: it's the goal, but there's a fair amount of it accomplished already (iirc the indicators are completely the same on both already) [00:29] btw cwayne, how can i get informed on how to help? [00:29] that sounds like a mhall119 question :) [00:30] so lops, when 14.10 is released the will be the same software? [00:30] from what i know, no. [00:31] is Trusty even shipping with Mir? [00:32] that news piece today, about a new vendor interested in producing an ubuntu phone.. that sounded as vague as usual xD [00:33] lops, according to wiki [00:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ubuntu_releases#Ubuntu_14.10 [00:33] Yes, goal is 14.10 for full convergence [00:33] i.e. unity 8 on phone, tablet, pc, tv, fridge, toaster... [00:33] oh sorry, I read 14.04. my bad [00:33] aha! i found the secret of the icons xDD [00:33] so april. cool! [00:34] oh nvm [00:34] 14.1 is october [00:34] xD [00:34] I don't know if this is a bug, bufor some reason when I use the property "iconsource" in a SingleValue, it works on the PC but not on the tablet [00:35] so is ubuntu touch basically what 14.10 is gonna be. or am i way off? [00:35] but if I use the property "icon" it works on both sides [00:36] grub: the desktop will *look* similar to how it does today, but the underlying software will be unity8 [00:36] god, I didn't want it to look like UPhone [00:36] what is this, windows? [00:37] i think ubuntu for phones looks gorgeous, but definitely not made for PCs :P [00:37] cwayne, so unity 8 is currently running on ubuntu touch and will be in ubuntu 14.10? [00:37] grub: yep [00:38] when 14.10 is released will i be able to use the same distro file to install ubuntu 14.1 on my phone and desktop? [00:39] cwayne: what questions am I asking? === chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [00:42] mhall119: um i think it was how to get involved with unity [00:44] cwayne do you know the answer to my last question ^? [00:45] grub: no, as the desktop images are released as .iso's while the phone images are not [00:47] cwayne: who was asking? [00:47] mhall119, i was asking about how to help, as a dev, with ubuntu [00:48] and he said I better ask you [00:48] lops: http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity8/ has instructions for helping with Unity 8 (the phone/tablet shell) [00:48] thx :P [00:48] right now you need to be on 14.04/trust to build it, but someone should be fixing that in the next day or two and I'll update the instructions on the above page when that's done [00:49] i wasn't thinking of doing any of that in the next day or two, so im fine with that! [00:50] hi all, are there anyone to help me to port ubuntu to optimus g e975 ? which is not on ubuntu touch phones list. === Nothing_Much_ is now known as Nothing_Much === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem === duflu_ is now known as duflu [02:10] daker: help with https://launchpad.net/bugs/1218655? [02:10] Ubuntu bug 1218655 in apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu (Ubuntu Saucy) "Confinement too strict for playing http URLs in QMediaPlayer" [Undecided,Fix released] [02:11] daker: I see your comment #6. can you file a new bug? [02:12] /run/user/32011/confined/com.ubuntu.developer.daker.rad-io.TJ3229 is not the correct path though, so it is something in the stack, not an apparmor policy issue [02:13] daker: if you can figure out what is creating the /run/user/32011/confined/com.ubuntu.developer.daker.rad-io.TJ3229 file, please add it to the bug === shuduo_afk is now known as shuduo === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [02:59] how can i flash the latest image? [03:00] 56 or 57 === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo [03:08] So i noticed that android 4.4 is now running SELinux as "Enforced" does this have anything to do with problems of getting Ubuntu Touch to work with the Nexus 7 2013 Flo ? === Guest12176 is now known as gh0strider [03:09] i know that 4.4 causes issues for sure === shuduo is now known as shuduo_afk === vying is now known as Guest14273 [03:35] RobbyF: ya i bet...i really hope they can make some progress for the Nexus 7 === shuduo_afk is now known as shuduo === ricardodrosales is now known as ricdros [04:02] Hey guys, quick question. I want to install ubuntu touch, but I don't have ubuntu. (I'm on a mac right now) [04:02] Is there anything that the phablet tools do, that I can't do with adb already? [04:04] derpderp: I don't think so, no. You should be able to do all the steps manually. I'm not sure what all the steps *are*, though ;) [04:06] RAOF: Interesting, there is this one line that says" To bootstrap on the devel channel or reinstall afresh (wiping everything) the recommended command is: ... " [04:06] RAOF: `phablet-flash ubuntu-system --channel devel --bootstrap` [04:08] I've tried to be a bit cheeky and do the rest of the stuff, i.e. flash the images with fastboot but my device doesn't work with that [04:09] and the previous command is the only thing I didn't try [04:09] Installing Ubuntu just to do this feels like a pain tbh. [04:10] should be possible to run phablet-flash in osx, it's just python [04:11] cwayne: Now that I didn't know! [04:40] cwayne: Just build the python modules and seems to be working, thanks :) [04:41] derpderp: np! glad to hear it's working out for ya [04:42] cwayne: Turns out I need to have a working android installation first to run phablet-flash === josepht_ is now known as josepht [05:37] cwayne: derp, apparently I didn't need phablet tools after all [05:38] i just needed to flash the last zip file before trying it [05:38] it's booted up now === tvoss|dinner is now known as tvoss [06:15] hi [06:16] can anyone help me out ... is there any installatoin guide for ubuntu Samsung Note 2 LTE === tvoss is now known as tvoss|test === tvoss|test is now known as tvoss === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad|afk [08:28] pitti, ping [08:30] good morning [08:52] popey, question: I stepped off the OTA updates train (temporarily) at the weekend, as you know. However, if I go into Update Manager it just says "No updates found". Shouldn't it say "ALERT ALERT you don't get any updates, you filthy hacker; you turned that off" in big red writing or something? [09:01] aquarius: do you mean update manager or do you mean system updates? update manager is for click apps which will still work, it's system updates (in system settings -> updates) that wont work [09:02] aquarius: also, I tested getting back on the Read-Only train last night using the two lines on the wiki, works perfectly [09:04] popey, oops, sorry, I meant system updates. [09:05] popey, personally I think that they ought to be one app, which is why I always get confused :) [09:05] system updats says "no software update available", and indeed there probably isn't, but surely it ought to tell me that I'm in "you don't get updates any more" mode? === shuduo is now known as shuduo_afk [09:09] aquarius: i think update manager might be going away [09:09] cool. :) [09:09] I shall file a bug saying "hey, system updates ought to tell me if I'm in 'developer mode'". [09:09] i agree though [09:09] yes [09:10] well [09:10] the other option is it gives you the opportunity to flip out of rw mode [09:10] i wouldn't want an option to go into rw mode on the device though [09:11] agreed [09:11] well, agreed *ish* [09:11] it depends what rw mode will let you do. [09:13] if rw mode is required to, for example, install third-party packages from places other than the app store (that is: it's like Android's "allow installation of downloaded apks") then I do think it should be on the device, but it can happily be somewhere very hidden -- android makes you tap seven times on the software version in the system settings screen to enter developer mode, or something equally obscure. [09:13] if rw mode is *not* required for that, then rw mode is only useful if you already have a laptop with adb and etc etc, so requiring that laptop with adb etc etc in order to turn on rw mode is reasonable. === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away === shuduo_afk is now known as shuduo [09:15] yeah [09:19] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-system-image/+bug/1259865 filed. :) [09:19] Ubuntu bug 1259865 in Ubuntu system image "System updates app does not inform me if I have switched device to "developer mode"" [Undecided,New] [09:21] * aquarius dos the wiki lines to get out of developer mode again [09:29] thanks aquarius [09:29] shame because now I lose my lovely numbers on the keyboard :) [09:33] question. The N4 seems to be way, way quieter than the iPhone when playing music. Is that just the hardware, or is that something to do with Ubuntu? I never tried it under Android. [09:33] aquarius: there's a new image available now too [09:33] yes it's hardware [09:33] the speaker on the n4 is terrible [09:33] same for the camera [09:33] and gps [09:33] ah, ok, will not file a bug about that then :) [09:33] and touch screen [09:33] etc etc [09:34] also it's too big ;) [09:34] +1 [09:34] micro usb [09:34] etc [09:34] I'm fine with microusb. [09:34] It's fine to be wrong aquarius [09:34] I'd like to see All New USB which works both ways up, of course [09:34] indeed [09:35] but I think "oh no I've lost my cable, oh look here are fifty others in my cupboard" is such a massive benefit that plugging it in the wrong way up most of the time and being annoyed by it does not supersede that. [09:35] as opposed to how my iphone cable has frayed and I had to spend a tenner on a new one. [09:36] (note: could have bought that play-doh stuff: decided not to.) [09:41] Hi can anyone help me in porting ubutntu-touch [09:42] tmoenicke, I poked https://code.launchpad.net/~sil/ubuntu-keyboard/numbers-on-top-row/+merge/198253 so that it has a commit message, which jenkins complained about... but I am not expecting that branch to be merged as it is. It's there so you guys can comment on it. [09:46] i have been trying to port Ubuntu-touch on EVK i cant able to understand few steps mentioned in the porting guide reg. phablet-dev-bootstrap === Guest75080 is now known as fmasi [09:56] aquarius: i was trying to get approval or opinion from design reg. the numbers in the first row, no result yet [09:57] cool [09:58] tmoenicke, I'd be happy to contribute to that discussion if it would help :) === shuduo is now known as shuduo_afk [10:03] ok cool, thx [10:16] lol popey. i am good with hte n4 [10:59] When do you guys think there'll be a 2013 nexus 7 release? === Zic is now known as Guest68178 [11:00] didrocks: 58 is playing up on maguro [11:00] didrocks: I'll give you more in a second [11:00] Morning all [11:01] davmor2: thanks! ;) [11:02] didrocks: any time I try closing an app it seems to lock up now I'm at my computer I can plug it in an hopefully see what is happening === Guest68178 is now known as Zic [11:03] or3nzo: January at least I imagine. === rachelliu_ is now known as rachelliu [11:04] davmor2: ok, keep us posted :) [11:05] popey: Thanks. [11:07] didrocks: I see a _usr_lib_arm-linux-gnueabihf_upstart-app-launch_desktop-hook.32011.crash but I don't know if that is old or new so I'll clear everything down and reboot the phone and see if it still happens [11:07] ok [11:07] ++ === Zic is now known as Guest9386 [11:18] didrocks: oh now it works perfectly so I don't know if it was just a lock up post upgrade [11:18] davmor2: interesting, keep us posted! [11:20] davmor2: should look at the date/time of the .crash file? [11:20] jdstrand: file against what ? === _salem is now known as salem_ [11:28] seb128: the accounts panel for settings should it be a separate app? [11:29] yes [11:29] separate windows at least [11:29] mardy, ^ right? [11:29] (I didn't follow much but I think mardy said that was required to work as designed) [11:30] seb128, mardy: this is show an empty icon in the launcher like it is a full blown app rather than part of settings, I'll grab an image [11:31] is that new? [11:31] there is some hackery to do there I guess for Mir to consider them the same thing [11:31] but really you want mardy to get the details [11:32] seb128: not sure it's just the first time I noticed I guess this is what happens when you dedicate time to finding issues :) [11:32] right [11:32] I never paid attention to that either [11:32] I usually add an account and focus on that [11:32] so I don't pay attention to the launcher [11:34] seb128, mardy: http://ubuntuone.com/4sh60dwAc6Bq85S7SnjCp9 [11:34] yeah he needs some work to make them fully appear as the same application [11:34] it's known [11:34] Laney: thanks dude [11:35] Ubuntu One [11:35] Service Temporarily Unavailable [11:35] bah [11:35] Laney: hows the new chair now you've had some time to break it in [11:35] yeah very satisfactory thanks [11:35] now it's working, with the image appearing like a jpg over dialup in 1995 [11:35] popey: I know it's not great [11:35] yeah it's not the fastest [11:36] * Laney needs to stop saying yeah [11:37] Laney: Yeah === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [11:49] davmor2: hi! Yes, it's a separate process, it's been like this since a few weeks [11:50] davmor2: ideally it shouldn't appear as a separate window though; see bug 1230091 [11:50] bug 1230091 in unity-mir "[enhancement] Window reparenting (required for appstore app trust model)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1230091 [11:50] mardy: perfect thanks [11:58] i have n8000 , Audio not work and there another problem that hang in the boot in the logo screen for samsung , any idea ? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [12:05] askar: the boot hang isn't a hang it's just there is no pretty boot image currently. Audio I can't help you with though === Guest9386 is now known as Zic === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [12:21] gatox: sorry, let's continue here [12:22] mardy, ok.... i'll take a look into that now [12:23] popey: if you disconnect from your wifi from the indicator (note only your wifi not disable the wireless connection) and run a couple of test on 3g and then try to enable your connection again can you? [12:23] davmor2: i did test that exact scenario, yes [12:24] popey: mine keeps asking for the password [12:25] http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2013-12-11-122508.png [12:25] mine does not ^^ just re-activated wifi and it reconnected [12:25] oh, duff screenshot [12:26] gatox: incidentally, I don't think you need the copy constructor and assignment operator for DownloadStruct; the default ones should be OK [12:27] http://popey.com/~alan/phablet/device-2013-12-11-122654.png there we go === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:28] mardy, those files are actually being copied from the download manager.... they should be there until the download manager provides that as a lib (already work in progress) [12:28] popey: You and your fancypants screenshots [12:28] mardy, that's why i'm not sure about changing that [12:28] mardy, what do you think? === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [12:36] oSoMoN: hey, did you see my answer? (I think the failure of webbrowser app on image 57 can be an interesting case) [12:36] didrocks, yes, I’m on it [12:36] mardy, did you read my comment? [12:39] gatox: I see. Well, that means that we can skip reviewing the CPP parts, or would you like them to still be reviewed? [12:40] mardy, everything under download.... doesn't make much sense to review them actually.. you can take that as a lib (it will be in the near future), and has been already reviewed in other projects [12:41] gatox: OK, that makes it much easier :-) [12:41] mardy, that same code is in the update manager and unity... and it's part of udm [12:42] mardy, let me know if any other fix is needed so we can move forward with this :D thanks! [12:42] om26er: do you have any idea of the reason for this failure ? https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-mediumtests-runner-mako/4049/console seems like an AP internal problem [12:45] gatox, can you comment on the merge proposal to list things that are a copy going away/don't need review? [12:47] seb128, ack === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [12:48] thanks [12:51] nerochiaro, thats more of a crash in the app [12:52] its dying on start probably [12:52] seb128, mardy i have added those comments in the description of the branch.... thx for the review [12:52] om26er: interesting it does that only on mako. i've triggered a re-run [12:52] gatox, thanks === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [13:05] didrocks: Phone just locked up, no crash report but the phone is dead. We had this before I think we lowered it to a possible fb glitch on maguro as the phone is running fine just the gfx are screwed [13:05] gatox: what about download_tracker.cpp? Should we review that? [13:06] davmor2: ok, but it doesn't seem to be a showstopper for you, right? [13:07] mardy, you could review that.... altought that come from click update manager and unity too [13:08] gatox: OK. And those files under network, are they going to be moved to a library, or will they stay in ubuntu-system-settings? [13:08] mardy, nono... under network will stay in system settings... the only thing that is being moved into a lib is the download folder [13:09] didrocks: No I think it's a randome glitch on maguro, fix is to reboot if you have no computer or sudo -u phablet -i then restart unity8 if you do. [13:10] davmor2: ok, so no promotion blocker in your opinion for #58 or you still do some tests? [13:10] I'll wrtire a bug up for it with the temp work around [13:10] I still have some tests but it is looking good so far [13:10] davmor2: ok, keep me posted :) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:13] om26er: i'm still pretty uncertain if AP is supposed to be able to interact with object properties that are not of basic QML types. I keep bumping into cases where I am sure the properties exist in the QML but they don't appear at all in the proxy objects that AP gives me [13:14] mzanetti: oSoMoN: ^ do you know anything about the above ? [13:14] autopilot-qt issue perhaps [13:15] om26er: "issue" in what sense ? is it a limittation of the tool ? or is it a bug ? [13:15] nerochiaro, yeah, bug. [13:16] om26er: has it been reported already somewhere I can refer to ? [13:16] nerochiaro, no, I am not aware. I was just guessing :) [13:17] om26er: who can I ask to who's supposed to know this stuff ? [13:17] nerochiaro, but I think it will make sense to report a bug with a test case [13:18] nerochiaro, I would ask thomi as he is officially responsible for autopilot-qt [13:18] om26er: thanks [13:31] nerochiaro, I think only basic QML types are supported [13:32] nerochiaro, if in doubt, the source of autopilot-qt should give you a quick answer [13:32] oSoMoN: ok [13:32] oSoMoN: if that's the case, is it legit adding properties that are of a basic type to objects for the sole purpose of being able to access them in tests ? === Namidairo is now known as Namidairo`bnc [13:33] daker: ideally, whatever is creating that file-- if you don't know what that is, I guess apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu and we can try to find someone who knows and get it reassigned [13:33] nerochiaro, I guess it is, as long as it doesn’t clutter the code too much, and doesn’t add a performance hit [13:35] oSoMoN: i'll go that way then, and add a comment. the alternative is to get to that value in an extremely roundabout (and fragile i guess) way [13:36] jdstrand: perfect thanks! [13:37] didrocks: test completed everything looks good except the already known issues :) [13:38] davmor2: excellent thanks! === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo [13:42] hi [13:43] Should i do anything if my device says Rom may flash stock recovery on boot. Fix [13:50] oSoMoN, nerochiaro, om26er: Yeah, only basic types are supported. check line 202ff here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~autopilot/autopilot-qt/trunk/view/head:/driver/introspection.cpp [13:51] mzanetti: that’s what I thought, thanks for the confirmation [13:52] oSoMoN, nerochiaro, om26er: This would be the place to add more if there's something missing which would work (note that you cannot marshall objects over DBus for various reasons) === sidnei` is now known as sidnei [13:55] mzanetti: ok, good to have a definitive answer, even though it makes things a bit harder. thanks [14:01] anyone able to help me get GSM working ? === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:13] bzoltan: hi, is it ok for me to add a landing ask for qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu to get the webapp template released? or are we waiting for anything else to make it into trunk first? [14:14] cwayne: thanks for adding it to the landing ask [14:15] cwayne: oh, btw, it seems the touch_custom image doesn't have the same number than the touch one [14:15] didrocks: yeah, i've noticed that as well, i think like 2 touch images must have run before touch_custom was setup [14:16] cwayne: it's a little bit harder to check on the results for what's need releasing, can you try to get that fixed? [14:16] didrocks: absolutely, i'm on it [14:16] thanks ;) [14:22] stgraber: ping, was wondering if we could get the custom image build number synced with the regular touch image? [14:27] anyone able to help me get GSM working on my port? [14:51] cwayne: nope, you can't [14:52] cwayne: a new image will be published whenever the base image changes OR the custom tarball changes, so you very well may (and had) more builds than the standard proposed channel [14:52] kgunn: hello! Any news on those two bugs I poked about yesterday? Since I see the branch that was proposed on one of them got removed as it did not fix the issue? [14:52] stgraber: it seems the other way around actually, but fair point [14:53] kgunn: ah, and I also had a chat with the other guys about the one flaky test on maguro, and could you poke someone to try disabling it on maguro from the autopilot side? Or, if that not possible, skip the test in overall then [14:54] cwayne: well, you missed around a week and a half of images because the jenkins server wasn't reachable ;) I expect it to eventually catch up [14:54] kgunn: since we have a rule now that we cannot release a component if the tests aren't 'all green' without any re-runs [14:55] stgraber: ACK, thanks :) [14:55] didrocks: ^ [14:55] cwayne: I can't ensure you I'm looking at the test results for touch_custom for any promoted images then [14:55] cwayne: as it's adding mapping complexity [14:55] sil2100: if a test is flaky on one particular piece of hw, but is reliable on another - i believe its unwise & ignores the value by turning that test off across the board. its easy for to define a process on the fly [14:56] cwayne: so better than you warned us if something bad happens I guess [14:56] but i would suggest that we place a requirement on the CI team to be able to turn tests off selectively [14:56] correct me if i have understand this incorrectly [14:56] kgunn: I think it's better that if you know your test can't run on maguro, you disabled it on maguro [14:56] AFAIK some other teams do that [14:56] shouldn't be the infra having that knowledge, but the test itself [14:57] ev: wdyt? ^ [14:57] lool: wrt your e-mails, I expect the problem was the missing -k... I'll have to figure out how to sort out the resulting mess now [14:57] didrocks: this is a matter of ability to do so afaik [14:57] lool: I'll be taking system-image offline for a couple of hours to investigate, manually fix the indexes and re-publish the image properly [14:57] stgraber: we promoted image #58 in between [14:57] kgunn: you should be able to, I'm sure I saw that [14:57] kgunn: I guess it should be possible autopilot-wise [14:58] didrocks: to keep it straight you are saying we can have a test continue to run on mako, but turn it off on maguro [14:58] But I'm no longer super-up-to-date [14:58] ? [14:58] kgunn: right [14:58] didrocks: hmm, ok, still need to look at all the indexes to make sure we didn't get more problems... there's a known issue when not using -k (which hasn't been tracked done properly) and that may cause all deltas generated after that to be based on the wrong image [14:58] stgraber: ok ;) [14:58] didrocks: yeah, if we have the ability to do that, then that is great....can you point me to how ? [14:59] kgunn: well, I'm like you, I'll search though [14:59] maybe ev does know ? ^ [14:59] kgunn: for instance, looking at the dashboard, I see tests running for messaging-app on mako and 3 on maguro [15:00] kgunn: so, I apt-get source messaging-app… [15:00] opened tests/autopilot/messaging_app/tests/test_messaging.py [15:01] and I see: @skipIf(os.uname()[2].endswith("maguro"), [15:01] "tests cause Unity crashes on maguro") [15:01] kgunn: ^ [15:03] didrocks: looks like the deltas are right, but having version 33 in those channels is rather confusing. I'll remove both version 33 and 58 from all affect channels, then re-promote 58 and then do a cleanup run [15:03] stgraber: ok, will that puzzle users trying to upgrade in between? [15:03] (and people who already upgraded to wrong "33") [15:04] didrocks: that'd force anyone who's on 33 to full upgrade to 58, but in practice nobody should be at that version since it was pushed at the same time as 58 [15:04] so I expect them to either already be on 58 or to be on 32 [15:04] stgraber: well, it was pushed 6 hours before 58 [15:04] but yeah, I think full upgrade is still ok [15:05] didrocks: thanks for the pointer [15:05] kgunn: yw! maybe worth a wiki page I guess :) [15:10] anyone able to help me get GSM working on my port? [15:13] barry, do you know why system-image is not landing? [15:14] didrocks: i understand the additional mapping is annoying, but i'll keep an eye out for it [15:14] cwayne: thanks [15:15] didrocks: congrats! (double-strike today!) [15:15] heh ;) thanks pitti! [15:16] didrocks: so autolanding can start again? [15:16] (no no no, I'm not craving for process-cpp.. :) ) [15:17] pitti: yeah ;) please add to the landing ask, I'll get it assigned in a couple of hours :) === justsueme is now known as Dragonkeeper [15:17] didrocks: last time I checked I still cannot write to it -- what's the URL again? [15:18] pitti: https://docs.google.com/a/canonical.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Au6idq7TkpUUdGNWb0tTVmJLVzFZd0doV3dVOGpWemc#gid=1 [15:18] dholbach: yes [15:18] barry, I guess I'm a bit lost :) [15:19] dholbach: the dep-8 tests are being notoriously flakey. they are *the exact same tests* run during package build, and they are fine (otherwise you'd get ftbfs), but something about the autopkgtests environment just makes them *very* unhappy and i haven't figured out why yet. :( [15:20] tvoss: would you mind adding process-cpp to the landing sheet? I can't [15:20] (and I'll watch you do it, as I don't know the details of what goes where) [15:20] barry, could somebody help with this? [15:21] dholbach: the problems seem to be in the u-d-m dbus service (mostly) so i've been trying to coordinate some debugging with mandel [15:22] didrocks, lool: index mangling done [15:22] e.g. my latest local run from a ppa version of si got three timeouts when trying to group download files. those timeouts happen when the dbus reactor on the client side never hears any signals from udm. it's almost as if the udm process dies or stops sending its dbus signals [15:22] stgraber: thanks! maybe require the -k option for now? ;) [15:23] pitti, sure, noted down [15:23] barry, ok gotcha [15:23] pitti, about to grab something to eat, will get to it after meal === tvoss is now known as tvoss|food [15:23] tvoss: thanks [15:23] the day when this spreadsheet disappears will be a good day! [15:24] dholbach: anyway, i am very happy to accept help from someone with time and interest, but at this point about all i'm doing is trying to figure out the problem to get si landed. :/ what i really don't understand is what's so different about the adt environment that causes this to happen. is it memory or other resource constraints? [15:25] barry, maybe pitti or jibel would have an idea [15:25] barry: these machines have 64 GB RAM and truckloads of disk, I doubt it; but networking is rather limited, could that be it? [15:25] barry: do you get these failures in a local VM as well? === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [15:27] pitti: hi. i do get them when running adt locally. they aren't reproducible in the sense that different failures happen fairly often. on a pure trusty desktop, e.g. via in-tree tox, they *never* fail. but the failures are always related to dbus [15:27] dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name :1.71 was not provided by any .service files [15:27] pitti: unfortunately, we have to talk to ubuntu-download-manager over dbus, so if dbus flakes on me, we don't get the files we need downloaded and the tests will timeout or fail [15:28] that usually means that the d-bus service crashed [15:28] pitti: that's one symptom, yes [15:28] pitti: right, and TimeoutErrors (which i see locally sometimes) are another symptom indicating dbus service crash, because that would lead to me not getting the expected signals [15:29] stgraber: thanks for fixing the indexs [15:30] barry: does the ProcessLookupError confirm the d-bus backend crash, or is this something else? [15:30] stgraber: I think we want to invest in docs, wrapper scripts to promote an image, perhaps some additional tests and a validation environment [15:30] pitti: it's a symptom of the same problem. it's looking for the pid of one of the two dbus services and not finding it [15:31] pitti: as is the len(reactor.signals) == 0 failure [15:32] pitti: why is adt so toxic to dbus servers? ;) [15:32] it's not usually :) [15:32] congrats guys [15:32] about last news [15:34] pitti, dholbach anyway, that's what's going on. i'm very hesitant to upload with dep8 disabled, but it might be about our only option, though i *do* have a small number of tests that can run w/o dbus [15:34] lool: yeah, I'm currently busy with non-touch stuff but once I get back to it, I have a list of things to solve with copy-images [15:34] barry, gotcha - thanks for the update [15:36] didrocks: just FYI, talking to tiagosh about the messaging-app test failure [15:36] didrocks: it's real -- once I'm in the "send message" page, I can't close the OSK with a swipe again, so you are forever "stuck" in that page [15:36] it doesn't always happen, but often enough === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g === jevon is now known as Guest18507 === Guest18507 is now known as jevon_ === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [15:41] didrocks: so, pretty please don't disable tests because they appear flaky [15:44] barry: I get tons of "ConnectionResetError: [Errno 104] Connection reset by peer" errors when running them here [15:45] pitti: i've seen those too sometimes. more socket/dbus problems [15:45] barry: does this actually hit the network? [15:45] pitti: only localhost [15:46] pitti: otherwise, the package would ftbfs :) === dandrader is now known as dandrader|lunch [15:47] pitti: are there any restrictions on http://localhost or https://localhost or port restrictions in the adt vm? [15:47] Welcome Themus , now, you're operator ! Good luck for survive :) [15:47] I want to test my bot (it is a bot who op all people) ! Can you enter in my channel 2sec for test ? This is the #ALL-OP channel ! Thanks for you ;) [15:47] barry: no, none [15:47] barry: it's the same VMs you get with run-adt-test, except that you can only reach *.ubuntu.com outwards [15:48] barry: (but that's a firewall limitation of the host, not the VM) [15:48] pitti: ack [15:48] barry: hm, running for the third time now, I get nothing but these SSL errors [15:49] pitti: keep trying :) my last night's run got three timeout errors [15:50]