[01:37] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: yeah, problem is, now that it's known, every security researcher is going to be poking at it until someone posts an exploit
[01:38] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: so the difficulty buys us time, but I'll have to get around to it eventually
[01:39] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: thanks!, I'll ask him
[01:44]  * RAOF checks logs for context
[01:46] <RAOF> Ah, the nvidia video decoding microcode.
[07:42] <mlankhorst> mdeslaur: good luck, it's not trivial ;)
[13:14] <Prf_Jakob> mlankhorst: I see that libxatracker2 has landed in 14.04
[13:17] <mlankhorst> yeah, I pushed a vmware snapshot to make things work
[13:28] <mdeslaur> mlankhorst: hehe, thanks
[13:28] <mdeslaur> tseliot: can I ask you a few questions about the nvidia drivers?
[13:28] <mdeslaur> so...looking at http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3377
[13:29] <mdeslaur> seems there are new 331 319 and 304 drivers
[13:29] <mdeslaur> but, I'm looking at the zillion packages we have to update in the archive
[13:29] <mdeslaur> what do we do with the 310 and 313 packages?
[13:29] <mdeslaur> update them to 319?
[13:29] <mdeslaur> leave as-is without telling the user they have a security issue?
[13:31] <tseliot> mdeslaur: speaking of 12.04, I'm going to update 319 to 331 (with the fix) and 304 to the latest 304 (with the fix). The rest should be transitional packages
[13:32] <tseliot> I'll do something similar in 14.04
[13:32] <tseliot> I'm not sure about 13.04 and 13.10 though
[13:34] <mdeslaur> tseliot: interesting, cool
[13:35] <tseliot> mdeslaur: maybe I can prepare some packages for 13.04 and 13.10 so that they go through the -security repositories, well, as soon as I'm done with 12.04 that is
[13:36] <mdeslaur> tseliot: perhaps the 12.04 ones should go through -security too?
[13:36] <mdeslaur> although, doing them as SRU might make sense also, given that I'm really afraid of regressions
[13:37] <tseliot> mdeslaur: the main problem is that I've been working on an SRU that I want to complete this week and it involves much more than a simple update
[13:37] <tseliot> going through -security first and rebasing my SRU on that would probably double my workload
[13:38] <mdeslaur> tseliot: that's fine, continue as an SRU
[13:38] <tseliot> mdeslaur: ok, good
[13:38] <mdeslaur> I'll wait to see your packages, thanks!
[14:45] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: both 1190546 and 1185035 seem to be still stuck on -proposed (raring)
[14:46] <tjaalton> hmm or maybe not, the bugs are still open though
[14:46] <mlankhorst> meh I'll need to verify that
[14:48] <tjaalton> also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libpciaccess/+bug/1122072 looks confusing
[14:48] <tjaalton> there's a quantal xserver with that bug id
[14:48] <tjaalton> in proposed
[14:48] <tjaalton> a typo?
[14:49] <tjaalton> cleaning up open tabs and noticed these
[15:02] <mlankhorst> meh dno
[15:20] <mlankhorst> ok verifying raring stuff after I installed nvidia-319...
[15:28] <tomreyn> hi, do you folks have some statistics about hardware and driver spread which you could make available to the world?
[15:28] <mlankhorst> no, but you could try the steam survey
[15:30] <tomreyn> http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ only has windows and mac
[15:31] <tomreyn> is this the one you meant?
[15:31] <mlankhorst> yeah, but not sure why linux stats would be much different from windows
[15:33] <tomreyn> i guess linux users may tend to have older hardware, and maybe a little bit more hardware which is known to be well supported on linux.
[16:14] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: well verification seems to fail, i wonder how because I knwo it fixed things before :/
[16:17] <mlankhorst> tseliot: can we simply point those who have hybrid cards to saucy xserver?
[16:17] <tseliot> mlankhorst: as in the documentation (wiki or whatever)?
[16:18] <mlankhorst> yeah
[16:18] <tseliot> yes, that's exactly what I was planning to do
[16:18] <mlankhorst> dpms still seems to be broken for some reason
[16:19] <tseliot> are you using modesettings?
[16:19] <tseliot> it works fine here
[16:19] <mlankhorst> tseliot: raring?
[16:20] <tseliot> mlankhorst: hybrid graphics is officially supported in 12.04.3 and kind of supported in 13.10, what does 13.04 have to do with this?
[16:20] <mlankhorst> erm raring xserver = 12.04.3 right?
[16:21] <tseliot> mlankhorst: ok, so the lts-raring xserver, yes, that's what I use in 12.04
[16:22] <tseliot> and I always have to disable screen blanking because it's annoying ;)
[16:23] <mlankhorst> yeah, we should recommend upgrading to saucy though
[16:23] <mlankhorst> much much better support
[16:23] <tseliot> mlankhorst: maybe it's failing because the gsd fails and my update hasn't landed in precise yet
[16:23] <tseliot> agreed
[16:24] <tseliot> if they want output hotplug (and probably more) that's the way to go
[16:24] <tseliot> or, even better, 14.04 ;)
[16:24] <mlankhorst> oh well, verified the raring stuff
[16:26] <tseliot> I'm running tests for the huge SRU in bug #1259237
[16:29] <mlankhorst> tseliot: yeah it's sad that we still have no online switching, but the experience in saucy is definitely a lot better
[16:30] <mlankhorst> quantal, it works if you're lucky and once in a blue moon, raring it actually works if you don't poke it too hard, saucy it actually works, but no online switching yet
[16:30] <tseliot> mlankhorst: yes, I don't think X will ever get that feature. This will do for now. Also, if we could get rid of tearing...
[16:30] <mlankhorst> haha I'll poke upstream some more
[16:30] <tseliot> :)
[16:31] <tseliot> aaronp is on paternity leave
[16:31] <tseliot> so maybe when he's back you two can talk about it
[18:31] <tjaalton> nice, x cursor on every vt on saucy, session somehow fooked
[18:32] <tjaalton> wife tried to log in from the indicator
[18:35] <tjaalton> reproducible too
[18:37] <tjaalton> failed to claim drm device, wth..
[18:55] <tjaalton> some permissions issue, reboot fixed it of course..