[05:05] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[06:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[06:21] <Squirm> morning
[06:21] <Squirm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKcxuGf_24Q - Not quite quadcopter, but some more clips :P
[06:21] <Squirm> it's raw footage, so please excuse the other stuff :P
[06:35] <magespawn> good morning
[06:55] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:55] <superfly> hi Kilos
[07:17] <Squirm> morning Kilos 
[07:17] <Squirm> superfly
[07:17] <superfly> hi Squirm
[07:17] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 Squirm ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:18] <Vince-0> Hi
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> hello
[08:40] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:51] <magespawn> howdy all
[09:08] <Kilos> hi inetpro magespawn 
[09:09] <Kilos> sorry i was afk
[09:09] <Kilos> busy cooking and all
[09:26] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:28] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:31] <charl> hi Kilos, psyatw, magespawn 
[09:31] <Kilos> hi charl 
[09:32] <charl> hi inetpro, Vince-0, superfly, Squirm 
[09:32] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[09:32]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[09:32] <charl> how's it going Kilos 
[09:32] <Kilos> good ty charl and there?
[09:32] <charl> good thanks
[09:33] <psyatw> hi charl
[09:33] <charl> oh whow this is shocking
[09:33] <charl> http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/657386-selfies-at-funerals
[09:34] <charl> "From left: British PM David Cameron, Danish PM Helle Thorning Schmidt and U.S. President Barack Obama pose for a group selfie during today?s memorial service for Nelson Mandela in South Africa."
[09:34] <charl> what are these idiots thinking
[09:35] <psyatw> nothing better than doing stuff for self-serving purposes, right?
[09:36] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[09:38] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[09:38] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[09:38] <charl> whow but that is just shocking, what were they thinking
[09:38] <charl> acting like a bunch of monkeys at a funeral
[09:50] <magespawn> Hey Kilos charl
[09:51] <magespawn> can anyone recommend some good, reliable free/low cost VPS services?
[10:02] <Kilos> where magespawn ?
[10:02] <Kilos> local or anywhere
[10:04] <Kilos> do you want to make a site or what
[10:04] <magespawn> local if possible but it is not serious
[10:04] <magespawn> i want to set up a ubuntu server with quassel and opencloud
[10:05] <Kilos> ah
[10:10] <magespawn> so i was looking for some recommendations cause quite often the experience can be very different 
[10:34] <Kilos> magespawn, look at this one and tell me what one can do there
[10:34] <Kilos> http://www.weebly.com/weebly/userHome.php?page=domains
[10:34] <Kilos> i started making site but dunno what to do
[10:35] <Kilos> so dont know if it just hosts a site for you or what
[10:39] <Kilos> now i get a mail every week saying my site aint published yet and mails about how to make it do more
[10:39] <Kilos> hehe
[11:13] <charl> magespawn: hetzner germany
[11:13] <charl> magespawn: charl.eu runs on a vps that costs 7,90 euro per month
[11:14] <charl> magespawn: been running it for almost two years and have had very few issues thus far
[11:14] <charl> magespawn: also supports ipv6 and the latest ubuntu (13.10) if you want
[11:14] <charl> magespawn: also the ability to set reverse dns
[11:31] <Vince-0> I bought a vps on cloudatcost.com
[11:31] <Vince-0> was $4 per month bought in 2 years - 4 vCPU, Debian 7
[11:32] <Vince-0> but that special is over now
[12:00] <georgl> magespawn:  try http://www.digitalocean.com
[12:18] <charl> whow these people are ridiculously cheap
[12:18] <charl> how can they even make ends meet
[12:19] <charl> $1 per month?!
[12:42] <magespawn> Thanks for the suggestions guys
[13:03] <charl> np :)
[13:46] <magespawn> Vince-0, they still have some nice specials
[13:46] <magespawn> Kilos was that site for your book?
[13:47] <Kilos> yes magespawn 
[13:48] <magespawn> this is a good learning curve then
[13:52] <Kilos> hehe
[13:54] <Vince-0> magespawn, latency to Canada is a bit kak from the ass end of the world though
[13:55] <Vince-0> 285ms today is as good as it gets
[13:56] <magespawn> ah well we have to take the good with the bad
[14:07] <Vince-0> there's some local guys who run isoho.st 
[14:07] <Vince-0> that's local
[14:08] <Vince-0> they use spice
[14:08] <Vince-0> I forget the guy's name
[14:18] <charl> been configuring prosody like mad the last day but got it working nicely now https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=charl.eu&type=client
[14:18] <charl> i'm scoring better than the vast majority of other xmpp servers
[14:18] <charl> upgraded my ssl key from 2048 to 4096 bits
[14:19] <charl> and had to disable sslv3 and some bad cipher
[14:25] <charl> heh, i see swissjabber also moved over to prosody now https://xmpp.net/result.php?domain=swissjabber.ch&type=client
[14:25] <charl> they left all the ssl settings to the defaults though
[14:26] <charl> so they are slightly less secure than my current setup
[15:37] <magespawn> later all
[15:38] <Kilos> charl, are you working on that chat goodie?
[15:39] <Kilos> is that what you talking about
[15:42] <Kilos> inetpro, miskien moet jy ry
[15:42] <Kilos> dit kom van die suide lyk my
[15:47] <inetpro> ty Kilos
[15:48] <Kilos> yw sir
[15:56] <charl> Kilos: no this is standard xmpp
[15:56] <charl> Kilos: i got shot down on the idea so badly on #guardianproject that i kind-of got demotivated
[15:57] <Kilos> who are they?
[15:57] <charl> they have been working on end-to-end encryption (openpgp, otr etc) and voip on mobile phones
[15:58] <Kilos> ah
[15:58] <charl> they basically just told me to not start anything new and join an existing project
[15:58] <Kilos> otr is pretty good
[15:58] <Kilos> and dcc chat
[15:58] <charl> so i said that's great that's what i would also rather do if possible but there aren't any existing projects with enough overlap
[15:58] <charl> then they told me to go and work on some xmpp client
[15:58] <Kilos> lol
[15:58] <charl> and i was like eh that's not the idea
[15:59] <charl> but quite honestly i don't think they even attempted to understand what i was on about
[15:59] <Kilos> if you have it worked out in your head what you wanna do then go for it man
[15:59] <charl> yeah but i need time and i didn't want to create yet another one man project
[15:59] <Kilos> why not?
[16:00] <charl> because one man projects have a really bad record when it comes to being maintained over the long run
[16:00] <charl> and besides, the idea is not to fragment what's going on, the idea is to work on solid, practical and sustainable standards
[16:00] <Kilos> if its good when done then you dont need to share the praise
[16:00] <charl> lol it's not about credit :)
[16:01] <charl> although, having been through a bunch of job interviews recently, having some credit can be useful
[16:01] <Kilos> why not?
[16:01] <charl> i dunno... because i don't give a sh*t? :) i guess my ego doesn't need feeding?
[16:02] <Kilos> sigh
[16:02] <Kilos> its got nothing to do with ego man
[16:02] <charl> Kilos all i want is a good product, i don't care if my name is on it or not
[16:02] <Kilos> a job well done gives you self satisfaction
[16:02] <charl> yes, SELF satisfaction :)
[16:03] <charl> it's not about credit
[16:03] <Kilos> so do it for yourself then man
[16:03] <Kilos> grrr
[16:03] <charl> ok i get your point :)
[16:03] <Kilos> who knows, you might start a revolution
[16:03] <charl> maybe i let my sense of purpose run away with me sometimes
[16:03] <charl> yeah it starts with yourself right
[16:04] <Kilos> of course
[16:05] <charl> ok lemme not shelve it yet
[16:05] <Kilos> do it for yourself and keep notes so if you get outa your depth then you have the process to show when you ask for help somewhere
[16:05] <charl> besides, it's almost the middle of winter right now and i get some time on my hands
[16:09] <Kilos> youll waste the time riding around
[16:09] <Kilos> visiting old buildings and things
[17:04] <Kilos> sigh
[17:05] <Kilos> coupla boom booms ten drops rain and no power
[17:10] <Squirm> it poured here
[17:10] <Squirm> as it has done for the past 3 weeks
[17:10] <Squirm> every
[17:10] <Squirm> single
[17:10] <Squirm> day
[17:10] <Squirm> I haven't seen a day of sun in 3 weeks
[17:10] <Squirm> maybe 3 hours at max and not every day
[17:11] <Kilos> we had good rain resterday. maybe more to come tonight
[17:52] <nlsthzn> hello all o/
[17:55] <Kilos> hiya nlsthzn 
[17:56] <nlsthzn> how are you uncle Kilos?
[17:56] <nlsthzn> enjoying summer I hope
[17:56] <Kilos> very well ty nlsthzn and you lad?
[17:56] <nlsthzn> kyk noord en voeter voort
[17:56] <nlsthzn> :p
[17:56] <Kilos> was cooler yesterday and today but not bad
[17:56] <Kilos> hehe
[17:57] <Kilos> raining on and off now. waiting for power to go again
[17:57] <nlsthzn> well it getting nippy here
[17:57] <Kilos> what do you class as nippy?
[17:57] <Kilos> 25
[17:58] <nlsthzn> lows reached 16... brrr.....
[17:58] <nlsthzn> 22 currently
[17:59] <Kilos> haha
[17:59] <nlsthzn> everyone walking around with jackets :p
[17:59] <Kilos> they'd suffer here in winter
[18:01] <nlsthzn> yup
[18:01]  * nlsthzn is eyeing the prospects of moving to someplace even colder... but it is a long shot...
[18:02] <nlsthzn> then something like -30 isn't uncommon
[18:02] <nlsthzn> brrrrr.....
[18:02] <Kilos> oh my goodness
[18:02] <Kilos> youll freeze your nuts off
[18:02] <Kilos> where does it get so cold
[18:02] <nlsthzn> oh many places...
[18:02] <nlsthzn> but I am eyeing Canada...
[18:03] <Kilos> cant be good places unless youre an eskimo
[18:03] <nlsthzn> going to be a PITA to get in but worth it if I am able too
[18:03] <Kilos> you applying for a job there?
[18:03] <nlsthzn> oh I am going to be applying for every job there :p
[18:04] <Kilos> arent they full of nonsense for foreigners to come work there
[18:04] <nlsthzn> it seems that many of the hurdles I faced that discouraged me from trying can be mitigated if you get a job offer...
[18:04] <Kilos> aha
[18:04] <nlsthzn> they have strict rules but all you need is an offer and it all becomes much easier
[18:05] <nlsthzn> so sure, you need the offer first >.<
[18:05] <Kilos> good luck then
[18:05] <Kilos> how you gonna get off the dates and camel milk diet
[18:05] <Kilos> cold turkey
[18:06] <nlsthzn> lol
[18:06] <nlsthzn> I think I will survive... I switched my diet to all American junk food which is also available there
[18:07] <Kilos> lol
[18:07] <Kilos> look for a job in the tropics somewhere man
[18:07] <Kilos> always summer
[18:11] <nlsthzn> wish I could, would be nice :)
[18:16] <Kilos> you supposed to be studying nlsthzn 
[18:16] <Kilos> whats happening
[18:19] <nlsthzn> I have two options to study that will be of use to me in my current career... and both are impractical, more likely than not going to end up costing a lot of money and effort for zero return...
[18:19] <nlsthzn> it is sad
[18:19] <nlsthzn> :(
[18:19] <nlsthzn> :'(
[18:20] <Kilos> eish
[19:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep lekker