[04:03]  * manchicken hugs KDevelop 4.6...
[06:35] <Noskcaj> Where is the blog post for the kubuntu stickers?
[07:14] <soee> good morning
[07:36] <soee> what might be the reason that muon needs ~ 40 seconds to start ?
[08:29] <lordievader> Good morning.
[10:26] <unicodesnowman> hi Riddell :)
[10:29] <Riddell> hi unicodesnowman 
[10:32] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: there's more google code in tasks up for kubuntu if you're up for it
[10:33] <unicodesnowman> I claimed one :) 
[10:36] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: ooh cool
[10:37] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: have you looked at the list of things that might be interesting to package?
[10:37] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: we also need an update to calligra
[10:38] <unicodesnowman> Yeah, there seems to be just 4 thats in 'NEW/CONFIRMED'?
[10:38] <unicodesnowman> others are assigned / in progress
[10:39] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: well that doesn't mean it's actually happening, e.g. bug 1008967 had Quintasan claim it but that was over a year ago and he's not done it lazy boy
[10:40] <ubottu> bug 1008967 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] plasma-widget-redshift" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008967
[10:40] <unicodesnowman> lol I see, which one should I package?
[10:42] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: whichever one interests you most, usually free software works best when you're interested in it
[10:42] <cortexA9> hello Riddell
[10:42] <cortexA9> downloading the daily.
[10:43] <Riddell> cutepaste is probably easiest, cirkuit seems like it would be satisfying, kdevelop-custom-buildsystem may well be a fiddly challenge
[10:43] <cortexA9> Riddell it's solved the bug on the start ?
[10:43] <Riddell> cortexA9: it should all start up yes
[10:43] <cortexA9> good Riddell
[10:43] <cortexA9> i try :)
[10:45]  * unicodesnowman will try package cirkuit
[10:46] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: good choice :)
[10:46] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: now bear in mind that bug is just someone who's filed it thinking it might be useful
[10:46] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: it could be the app is useless and we don't want it, it could be debian has already packaged it and the work is done elsewhere, maybe it's even in the ubuntu archive
[10:46] <Riddell> all needs to be checked
[10:47] <unicodesnowman> it doesn't look like circuit is packaged anywhere 
[10:48] <unicodesnowman> hmm
[10:48] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: oh and I can give you an ec2 machine to work on if you think that'll help, if means we can do the byobu shared screen which means it easier for me to look over your shoulder and help
[10:48] <unicodesnowman> it has a dependency that isn't packaged.
[10:48] <Riddell> aah
[10:49] <Riddell> so might be a more complex task indeed
[10:49] <cortexA9> Riddell: any release for nexus 7 ?
[10:49] <cortexA9> i mean images.
[10:50] <cortexA9> Riddell: recently nothing ?
[10:51] <Riddell> cortexA9: no I'm afraid that's died a death, the kernel and low level stuff was all maintained by canonical who have since moved on to other things
[10:51] <Riddell> which is a shame
[10:51] <cortexA9> Riddell: ok
[10:52] <cortexA9> bbl
[11:00] <unicodesnowman> i have to look up tar switches every single time.
[11:04] <Mamarok> Riddell: yay! just got my cards, thanks a bunch!
[11:05] <unicodesnowman> Riddell: if a git repo already has /debian/, it means the software has already been packaged?
[11:05] <apachelogger> Blizzz: do we have a traceback on the synaptiks crash from resume yet? and please comment on the bug about crash on mouse plugging
[11:06] <Blizzz> apachelogger: oh sorry, not yet, was terribly busy with oc6 release
[11:06] <cortexA9> Riddell: doesn't start
[11:07] <cortexA9> :(
[11:07] <cortexA9> i tried
[11:07] <cortexA9> Riddell: i did manually kill X
[11:07] <cortexA9> and started
[11:07] <apachelogger> Blizzz: k ^^
[11:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: objections to upload the whoopsie integration patch set?
[11:26] <apachelogger> xnox: do you think we can get rid of the static version in https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-kubuntu/pl/45/+translate .... it requires constant re-translating just to accomodate for the version change, it would be much nicer if we had a placeholder there and replaced that at runtime with the actual version
[11:28] <xnox> apachelogger: i don't do slideshow.
[11:28] <xnox> apachelogger: from ubiquity point of view, all we do is open up the right .html page in webkit webview and that's it.
[11:30] <apachelogger> mh, the sub actually could be a build time thing
[11:37] <Riddell> yo
[11:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: go for it
[11:37] <Riddell> Mamarok: lovely
[11:38] <Mamarok> Riddell: and they look good! Just unfortunate I didn't have them for linuxday.at
[11:38] <Mamarok> but there will be another occasion, already put some in my handbag
[12:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/QA/Whoopsie
[12:22] <xnox> what is AUTOMOC and how to use it with CMake in Qt5 ?
[12:23] <Riddell> it's a small tool to automatically run Qt classes through moc at build time
[12:24] <Riddell> I'm not sure the exact mechanism it gets called, in KDE builds it just gets called magically
[12:24] <Riddell> I think KDE4Macros.cmake does it
[12:25] <Riddell> FindAutomoc4.cmake will need to be part of it of course
[12:26] <Riddell> Qt4Macros.cmake seems to have stuff to use it for Qt only apps
[12:26] <Riddell> those cmake files are all part of kdelibs5-dev
[12:26] <Quintasan> Riddell:  I did that one T_T
[12:26] <Quintasan> I think I did
[12:27] <apachelogger> xnox: set(CMAKE_AUTOMOC TRUE)
[12:28] <xnox> Riddell: apachelogger: that is no worky for me with Qt5 and when cross-compiling. I get Not found moc failed.
[12:28] <xnox> do i need to build-depend on automoc?
[12:28] <xnox> (that pulls in qt4)
[12:28] <apachelogger> automoc is built into cmake now!
[12:28] <xnox> ok.
[12:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: which one?
[12:28] <apachelogger> xnox: you jsut need to set that var and cmake will figure out the rest
[12:28] <apachelogger> *just
[12:29] <xnox> apachelogger: well, it's failing to figure it out when cross-compiling =)))))
[12:29] <xnox> apachelogger: i need to fix that.
[12:29] <apachelogger> log?
[12:30] <xnox> apachelogger: here, but it's useless http://paste.ubuntu.com/6561105/
[12:31] <apachelogger> h,
[12:31] <apachelogger> hm
[12:32] <Quintasan> Riddell: The redshift one, looks like I forgot to upload that
[12:32] <xnox> apachelogger: haha.
[12:32] <Quintasan> I'll update it to the newest version and upload
[12:32] <xnox> apachelogger: it's using wrong moc. How can I specify / override path to MOC?
[12:34] <apachelogger> xnox: I guess set(QT5_MOC_EXECUTABLE  ...)
[12:35] <apachelogger> xnox: Qt5Core_MOC_EXECUTABLE actually
[12:35] <apachelogger> though I think just setting that may be wrong
[12:36] <apachelogger> i.e. the other tools would still be wrong, so either those will need setting as well... possibly there is a nicer way to do that
[12:36] <Riddell> Quintasan: thanks
[12:38] <xnox> apachelogger: none of those help. where is this automoc defined in cmake? and where do you see it finds the paths?
[12:41] <apachelogger> xnox: no clue sorry
[12:42] <apachelogger> oh
[12:42] <apachelogger> xnox: try QT_MOC_EXECUTABLE
[12:42] <apachelogger> xnox: no that's also wrong you'll have to set the Qt5::moc target somehow ^^
[12:44] <xnox> apachelogger: i think i got it.
[12:45] <apachelogger>     set(imported_location "${_qt5Core_install_prefix}/bin/moc")
[12:46] <apachelogger> xnox: I am wondering if the tooling abstraction thing shouldn't handle this more gracefully, since the cmake files themselves only reference the generic moc binary name anyway
[12:46] <xnox> apachelogger: no, AutomocInfo.cmake.in
[12:47] <apachelogger> ah, fancy
[12:47] <apachelogger> xnox: I guess you could just set AM_QT_MOC_EXECUTABLE after set(CMAKE_AUTOMOC then
[12:48] <apachelogger> or rather, put that in a .cmake and run cmake with -DCMAKE_TOOLCHAIN_FILE=foo.cmake
[12:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: all uploadded, accepted. blogged as well.
[12:48] <Quintasan> Riddell: Think you can get it past new?
[12:54] <Riddell> Quintasan: sure
[12:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: the last stage there is the important one, good stuff :)
[12:56] <apachelogger> pff, but I was not allowed to blog about how I improved the web browsing experience by 3000000% :P
[12:57] <apachelogger> would have gotten me an award for sure
[12:57] <apachelogger> Quintasan: what's redshift doing?
[12:58] <apachelogger> I totally knew that at some point
[12:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger: It adjusts the colours of your monitor to "match" what's going on with the sun
[12:58] <Quintasan> Apparently making things easier for your eyes
[12:58] <Quintasan> Not that I tried it.
[12:58] <apachelogger> screw the sun!
[12:59] <apachelogger> stupid hippies and their sun
[12:59] <Tm_T> apachelogger: welcome to Finland
[13:00] <Tm_T> Sunrise today at 9:23. Sunset today at 14:26. Length of day is 5 h 3 min
[13:01] <apachelogger> smart finns
[13:01] <apachelogger> daily color temperature
[13:02] <Sick_Rimmit> Doing a re-install of Mac OSX reminds me of why I love Free Software
[13:02] <apachelogger> I do not know how to configure this thing
[13:02] <apachelogger> on the plus side it's like on of 3 plasmoids supporting activities :O
[13:03] <apachelogger> Quintasan: doesn't do anything for me
[13:03] <apachelogger> (process:12085): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_type_instance_get_private: assertion 'instance != NULL && instance->g_class != NULL' failed
[13:03] <Quintasan> Did you install the redshift daemon?
[13:04] <apachelogger> yes
[13:04] <apachelogger> it fails
[13:04] <Quintasan> wat
[13:04] <Quintasan> Then it's not a problem with the plasmoid xD
[13:04] <apachelogger> makes the plasmoids useless though
[13:04] <apachelogger> gj uploading that :P
[13:04] <Quintasan> It worked once, I can tell you taht
[13:04] <Quintasan> that
[13:04] <Quintasan> maybe redshift needs an update
[13:04] <apachelogger> oh maybe you need to call dat thing with arguments
[13:05] <Quintasan> Trusty has 1.8
[13:05] <Quintasan> hmm
[13:05] <apachelogger> oh now it works
[13:05] <apachelogger> wtf
[13:05] <apachelogger> my screen is all red now
[13:06] <apachelogger> fu
[13:06] <Quintasan> redshift -l 55.7:12.6 -t 5700:3600 -g 0.8 -m vidmode -v
[13:06] <Quintasan> xD
[13:06] <apachelogger> plasmoid didn't do anything, not sure why
[13:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: how do you get the temperature values anyway?
[13:06] <Quintasan> Dunno
[13:06] <Quintasan> let me try it once I get back home
[13:07] <Quintasan> I generally think you should give it your longtitude and latitude only
[13:07] <Quintasan> and it will fetch temperature manually
[13:09] <apachelogger> well it works
[13:09] <apachelogger> [apachelogger stamp of approval]
[13:14] <xnox> apachelogger: yeap, fixed it. phuf that was interesting.
[13:14] <xnox> now on to rcc
[13:16] <apachelogger> xcompile with qt5 and cmake is highly underdocumented at this point
[13:16] <apachelogger> xnox: so if you feel like blogging... ;)
[13:17] <xnox> apachelogger: i know. i'm working on it =)
[15:16] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[15:20] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[15:32]  * Riddell spots stable/4.12.0/src
[15:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: thoughts on that pci question I had last night?
[15:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[15:42] <shadeslayer> well then, I'm not sure how else I'm supposed to display Generic names instead of device name]s in the ui 
[15:42] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/oFAowiP.png
[15:43] <apachelogger> reading udev/solid documentation supposedly would help
[15:47] <Riddell> Mirv: when this says approved what has actually been approved? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1311-stateofqt5
[15:48] <manchicken> apachelogger: I liked your suggestion of prefixing kubuntu_ on our custom stuff, but that seems like that might be difficult to do always.
[15:49] <manchicken> Then again, the fact that I don't have an example popping immediately into my brain may indicate that it's a very small edge case.
[15:56] <Riddell> do we want to do alpha 1 next week?
[15:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: scott said yes
[15:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: you tried the image yesterday and it all worked?
[15:58] <apachelogger> aye
[17:29] <yofel_> Riddell: I got a box with some incredible business cards today, thanks a lot! :D
=== yofel_ is now known as yofel
[17:31] <Riddell> yofel: well you are pretty incredible
[17:35] <Riddell> ooh Qt 5.2 released
[17:35] <Riddell> Mirv: when's the upload planned? :)
[17:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: where did ScottK say yes about alpha 1?
[17:39] <Riddell> going for alpha 1 would mean delaying having 4.12 in the archive
[17:41] <manchicken> ScottK: Why do you think apachelogger's suggestion is overkill?
[17:43] <Riddell> manchicken: because it means rewriting the patch in our package compared to upstream, possibly introducing bugs while doing do
[17:43] <Riddell> so
[17:43] <Riddell> !ninjas
[17:43] <ubottu> Ninja Time! apachelogger, debfx, JontheEchidna, Quintasan, Riddell, ScottK, yofel, smartboyhw, murthy
[17:43] <Riddell> 4.12 in ~kubuntu-ninjas for trusty, please poke
[17:44] <manchicken> Riddell: That makes sense… but apachelogger's original point makes sense.
[17:44] <Riddell> nobody says it doesn't make sense, just that the pros don't outweigh the cons
[17:45] <manchicken> Yeah… I'm wondering if there are other ways of doing the same thing.
[17:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: last week when I asked whether we are have signed up for alpha1 because I wanted firefox testing bound to an alpha release
[17:46] <apachelogger> to which he replied somthing like ~if we did not, we should have~
[17:46] <Riddell> doesn't mean he did it :)
[17:47] <apachelogger> you asked whether we want, and I said scott said yes :P
[17:47] <Riddell> we can do it, it'll just mean having to delay 4.12 in trusty
[17:47] <apachelogger> I didn't say he signed us up for it :P
[17:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think when we talked about it earlier (mumble I think) the conclusion was that we get quick test data for 4.12
[17:48] <apachelogger> and since release schedule for .12 is shorter that would be bad, so we want pre-release in alpha1 then quickly push final after that so that people get a chance to test 4.12 asap
[17:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm not sure I follow, pre-releases of what?
[17:54] <Riddell> KDE SC 4.11.97 ?
[17:54] <apachelogger> yus
[17:55] <Riddell> busy week next week then :)
[17:56] <apachelogger> holidy vacation then though ;)
[17:56] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion artikulate 0.2.0
[17:56] <kubotu> Package artikulate doesn't exist yet!
[17:56] <Riddell> oh well
[17:57] <apachelogger> (4.12.0 final is last task for the year, deadlines continue jan7)
[17:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: newpackage?
[17:57] <Riddell> apachelogger: nah I just uploaded 0.1.0
[17:57] <Riddell> it's in New
[17:57] <Riddell> seems smartboy packaged it but didn't poke us hard enough to upload it
[17:59] <apachelogger> I see
[18:16] <samofrome> my pc is currently running kubuntu (according to terminal) but it is currently looking like ubuntu desktop, and has many features of both of them, like the setting of both of them are available, and i would like to go back to the kubuntu look, so any ideas or suggestions?
[18:17] <debfx> Mirv: is there a reason I'm missing why qt4-default doesn't depend on libqt4-dev? without it qt4-default just creates a broken symlink. some packages rely on it pulling in libqt4-dev, e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bitcoin/0.8.6-1
[20:40] <FlowRiser> hey guys
[20:41] <FlowRiser> I have a question: What is KDE identify ?
[20:59] <rdieter> FlowRiser: this ? https://identity.kde.org/  I think it describes itself pretty well