[06:44] <pitti> Laney: indeed; the real upower does it, so if your program under test listens to them, emit them
[06:45] <pitti> Laney: mocks don't do that automatically (they are only mocks, not reimplementations)
[08:15] <sil2100> Great...
[08:15] <sil2100> I upgraded my system yesterday and today again I cannot get lightdm started
[08:16] <sil2100> Need to find out what upgrade causes my black-screen-on-start
[08:21] <didrocks> sil2100: your system is weird
[08:21]  * didrocks never has this kind of issues
[08:26] <sil2100> didrocks: I already once had this very same issue after upgrading lightdm - I downgraded and it worked
[08:27] <didrocks> yeah, there was an issue with it
[08:27] <sil2100> There was even a bug with that, I thought it got fixed
[08:27] <didrocks> but I just upgraded yesterday evening as well
[08:27] <didrocks> and no issue
[08:30] <sil2100> Ok, let me reboot and check if I fixed it
[08:30] <sil2100> brb
[08:33] <sil2100> Right, so it seems me and the new lightdm just hate eachother
[08:39] <didrocks> sil2100: you reverted it?
[08:40] <didrocks> last new lightdm was the 04/12
[09:00] <seb128> good morning desktopers!
[09:01] <ali1234> morning!
[09:02] <ali1234> i have a question: what does the forking of the gnome-control-center mean for bug 1074314?
[09:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1074314 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "indicator-datetime configuration panel only works in Unity session" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1074314
[09:02] <ali1234> will things get better or worse?
[09:03] <seb128> define better?
[09:03] <seb128> g-c-c doesn't have support of external panels, so it's not going to work there
[09:03] <ali1234> better = the configuration panel will start working correctly on other desktops
[09:03] <seb128> it's going to keep working like now with u-c-c
[09:03] <ali1234> but will it work in xfce?
[09:03] <Laney> morning
[09:03] <seb128> there is no reason it shouldn't work on xfce
[09:04] <seb128> that should already be working today
[09:04] <ali1234> there is one reason: the .desktop has "OnlyShowIn=Unity"
[09:04] <seb128> Laney, hey, how are you
[09:04] <seb128> oh
[09:04] <seb128> well, it's easy to drop that, or add XFCE
[09:04] <didrocks> sil2100: did you see my questions?
[09:04] <seb128> nobody asked us to do that so far
[09:04] <ali1234> if you remove this line, it works correctly in all other desktops, including gnome 3 (as of when that bug was reported anyway)
[09:05] <seb128> "including gnome 3"?
[09:05] <seb128> you don't want the UI to be displayed there
[09:05] <seb128> since they don't use the indicator
[09:05] <ali1234> yes, you do
[09:05] <ali1234> gnome-panel does
[09:05] <Laney> fallback / panel
[09:05] <ali1234> but you can't configure it
[09:05] <Laney> seb128: decent thanks, you?
[09:05] <seb128> Laney, I'm good thanks
[09:05] <seb128> oh, right
[09:05] <larsu> hi Laney!
[09:05] <seb128> well, it would be buggy under shell
[09:05] <Laney> hey larsu!
[09:06] <seb128> ali1234, so, yeah, I guess the fork is going to make things better
[09:06] <seb128> gnome-shell is going to use g-c-c
[09:06] <seb128> and we can drop the OnlyShowIn
[09:06] <ali1234> yes, but shell doesn't use indicators... so anyway, it's my understanding that it's set up this way purely to prevent each desktop from showing multiple datetime applets
[09:06] <seb128> so u-c-c works for all other desktops
[09:06] <ali1234> cool :)
[09:07] <ali1234> so gnome-panel folks are going to be in a pickle, unless they set it to use u-c-c, which frankly probably is their best option
[09:07] <ali1234> but everyone else will be fine
[09:07] <seb128> right
[09:07] <seb128> well the gnome-panel is an Ubuntu session
[09:07] <seb128> it has indicators and stuff
[09:08] <seb128> so they should probably use u-c-c
[09:08] <ali1234> yeah
[09:10] <sil2100> didrocks: with the downgrading?
[09:10] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, I had to downgrade to 1.9.3 sadly
[09:11] <sil2100> didrocks: I remember having 1.9.4 break my screen as well
[09:11] <didrocks> sil2100: did you open a bug with it?
[09:11] <didrocks> ping robert?
[09:12] <sil2100> didrocks: there was a bug opened for that already, let me try and find it
[09:32] <seb128> hey cpp hackers, can one of you help me with a stupid question? :p
[09:32] <seb128> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6560412/
[09:33] <seb128> what's the best way to make cairoSurface() and free_pixmap() work on l52
[09:33] <seb128> copy those function in private:?
[09:35] <larsu> free_pixmap should just be forward declared (or defined before the class)
[09:36] <larsu> and for cairoSurface() I'd simply access the m_surface directly, since that's what the function does anyway
[09:37] <seb128> larsu, e.g http://paste.ubuntu.com/6560437/ ?
[09:38] <larsu> yep
[09:38] <seb128> larsu, that seems to work, thanks
[09:41] <tjaalton> upgraded to trusty but kbd layout is wrong although the capplet shows it's 'fi', locale is right as well
[09:41] <tjaalton> seems to be 'us'
[09:46] <tjaalton> the layout list shows the broken one as 'suomalainen' (translated), adding 'Finnnish (classic)' fixes it
[09:49] <seb128> tjaalton, seems like an xorg bug :p
[09:49] <tjaalton> how come?
[09:49] <seb128> tjaalton, joke aside we didn't change anything there, config/indicator/... since saucy
[09:49] <seb128> tjaalton, just trying to kick the problem in your direction ;-)
[09:50] <seb128> I hate keyboards
[09:50] <tjaalton> sure :)
[09:50] <seb128> that shouldn't be so complex/buggy of a stack
[09:50] <tjaalton> works on my wife's session
[09:50] <seb128> I've no idea what is wrong
[09:50] <seb128> we didn't change the code
[09:50] <tjaalton> me neither
[09:50] <seb128> those are the same packages than in saucy
[09:50] <seb128> did you upgrade from saucy?
[09:50] <tjaalton> yes
[09:50] <seb128> :/
[09:51] <seb128> I'm half joking when I say it's an xorg bug btw
[09:51] <seb128> since our side didn't change...
[09:51] <tjaalton> ours didn't change much either
[09:51] <seb128> is gnome-settings-daemon working/running?
[09:51] <tjaalton> and it's working fine for my wife
[09:52] <tjaalton> er, changing the session seems broken
[09:52] <tjaalton> my session died when switched over to the other
[09:52] <tjaalton> hrm, now both layouts work for me as well
[09:54] <tjaalton> just wondering where the translated entry comes from, since it's not on the list when adding a new one
[09:54] <tjaalton> anyway, not an issue anymore.. went away
[09:55] <tjaalton> looks like my xserver crashed on switch, nice
[10:16] <asac> seb128: ready when you are?
[10:17] <seb128> asac, I'm coming
[10:17] <asac> seb128: nice :)
[11:08] <seb128> ok, I'm out for some errands and lunch outside, back in ~1.5h
[13:10] <Laney> hmm
[13:10] <Laney> dbus-python doesn't give you properties in its introspection data
[13:11] <Laney> Qt's dbus support uses that
[13:11] <Laney> AFAIK
[13:40] <xnox> Laney: i find all dbus bindings at various levels of support. e.g. libdbus, dbus gobject/qt/python (upstream), dbus-GIO (c/gir/python), dbus-qt (C++/declarative)
[13:40] <xnox> Laney: try python GIO/gir, does that give you introspection? or Qt's bindings.
[13:41] <Laney> I'm using dbusmock, so it's dbus-python all the way
[13:41] <Laney> patching it in now ;-)
[13:54] <Laney> I wonder if this is too dirty :-)
[13:55] <Laney> parse introspection data, find interface node, iterate properties (guessing their types!), patch them in
[14:03] <desrt> saluton, amikoj
[14:03] <seb128> desrt, good morning to you ;-)
[15:04] <seb128> kenvandine, Laney, tedg, attente, charles: settings meeting?
[15:05] <kenvandine> sure
[15:05] <tedg> Fighting chrome...
[15:08] <Laney> any noise fro me?
[15:08] <seb128> Laney, no, seems fine
[15:09] <Laney> I meant the good kind of noise
[15:52] <seb128> chrisccoulson, can we get a firefox 26 that builds on all archs in trusty?
[16:42] <didrocks> seb128: stop being picky! all archs? ;)
[16:44] <seb128> didrocks, it's not me being picky, it's britney! ;-)
[16:44] <didrocks> yeah, it's not easy to bribe I heared
[16:58] <seb128> lol
[16:58] <seb128> I was wondering who just uploaded accountsservice
[16:58] <seb128> I need to get used to xnox having a new name
[16:59] <mlankhorst> haha
[17:00] <seb128> xnox, your old name was cooler :p
[17:03] <xnox> seb128: i'm now DJ Ledkov (scratches some vynils)
[17:03] <xnox> =)
[17:04] <seb128> lol
[17:04] <seb128> but come on
[17:05] <seb128> Dimitri is too easy to type, even me I can do it without typo
[17:05] <seb128> where I had to go copy paste your name before :p
[17:05] <seb128> where is the fun!
[17:05]  * mitya57 looks forward to xnox living in Bulgaria and being called Dimitar
[17:05] <Sweetshark> oh, wow, someone send a WTFPL2+ license statement to LibreOffice.
[17:09] <mlankhorst> hah
[17:10] <mlankhorst> easy to fix
[17:11] <seb128> Sweetshark, next time you email ubuntu-devel@, please don't CC me
[17:11] <seb128> seems like people like to reply to all and I get replies to your email in my inbox
[17:11] <seb128> where I'm reading the list anyway
[17:12] <Sweetshark> seb128: aye
[18:00] <seb128> pitti, hey, I would appreciate if you could review https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/tests-mock-upower/+merge/198625, you have more experience than me with those mockings
[18:03] <chrisccoulson> seb128, re firefox, yeah, someone just needs to upload the new beta ;)
[18:03] <seb128> chrisccoulson, new beta? I though 26 was stable, you uploaded to other pockets... what was preventing to dput to trusty as well?
[18:04] <Laney> pitti: also, related - I noticed that dbusmock properties added with AddProperty always get 'v' from dbus.lowlevel.Message.guess_signature(message) - can you think how to solve this?
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i always skip the release, and just go straight to the next beta. 27b1 is out already
[18:04] <seb128> chrisccoulson, well, if you are busy, having the stable seems like little work and better than having a beta not building stucked in proposed
[19:42] <Sweetshark> \o\ /o/ \o/
[19:43]  * Sweetshark has his first set of libreoffice-l10n packages build minimalistically from a separate source pkg.
[19:43] <Sweetshark> lintian hates me now.
[19:43] <Sweetshark> well, more than usual.
[19:50] <qengho> Sweetshark: niiice.
[20:24] <billq> hello.  i'm having problems with recently upgraded 13.10.  login screen works but after login i get some "system program problem detected" dialogs and none of the menu/status bars come up, just cursor and background.  tried reinstalling lightdm, ubuntu-desktop, and some others.  no help.
[20:29] <qengho> billq: I'm sorry to hear that. Is it the same if you log in as guest?
[20:56] <billq> apparently it had something to do with nvidia drivers and X ... installing bumblebee fixed the problem ... but it has been working fine before the upgrade, and gave no indication that there was a driver problem, so i think that should be considered a bug.
[21:09] <qengho> billq: when the "system problem detected" dialogue, that is the way to report a bug.
[21:15]  * qengho afk.
[22:57]  * robert_ancell is counting the days until quantal and raring hit end of life
[22:59] <xnox> well, raring will be first to go =)
[23:38] <Fudge> why Raring?
[23:40] <sarnold> Fudge: the support period for raring, saucy, and other "intermediate" releases was changed to nine months; see e.g. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2013-April/000171.html
[23:41] <Fudge> ah understood, thank you