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widoxhah, I'm also fighting some plague00:22
widoxgot me yesterday00:22
rick_h__widox: yea, babysitter came over so I could go to MUG and I just told her "I'll be napping in the guest room, let me know if you need anything"00:33
widoxheh00:35
rick_h__I think it's the first time I paid someone for a nap00:37
cmaloneyheh01:06
greg-grick_h__: sounds wonderful01:07
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cmaloneyGood morning12:34
brouschhttp://blogs.woodtv.com/files/2013/12/modis-wide-shot.jpg12:55
cmaloneyStop sending your lake-effect. :)12:56
brouschI set that as my desktop background, but it makes me feel colder13:02
jrwrengood morning13:51
brouschNo. Too cold13:56
jrwrenwarm coffee14:11
cmaloneyNeed warmer coffee14:17
brouschThis is fun http://threejs.org/14:33
brouschMy PyCon 2014 Kivy tutorial was rejected :(14:35
cmaloneybrousch: Sorry to hear that.14:49
brousch70 tutorials for 15 slots14:49
jrwrendon't feel bad.14:57
jrwrenits probably because no one knows what kivy is.14:57
jrwrenand by no one, I mean me.14:57
jrwrenwtf is kivy?14:57
brouschCross platform (Win, OSX, Lin, Android, iOS) Python GUI framwork that uses opengl14:58
brouschAh well. This will free up some time I can spend getting better at Javascript15:00
jrwrenwhy would I use it over QT or wxWidgets15:03
brouschAndroid and iOS15:04
brouschI prefer the layouts and widgets also15:04
brouschYou describe your widgets and layouts in KV language, like CSS, but it can also have Python in it15:05
brouschAlso it's built for multitouch from the get-go15:05
jrwrencool15:10
jrwrenhow does it avoid lowest common denominator UI?15:10
brouschIts own widget set15:11
brouschIt does not try to look native15:11
jrwrensure, but some UI widgets dont translate across platforms.15:30
jrwrenso what does it do?15:30
brouschLets you make touch GUIs easily15:31
jrwreni'm not sold.15:31
brouschWith Python15:31
jrwrenbut I pip install kivy anyway15:31
jrwren" built over OpenGL ES 2"15:31
jrwrenyou didn't say ES215:31
brouschyeah, it's not that mature15:31
jrwrenI'm an ES2 lover.15:31
jrwrenwhy didn't you say so!?!?15:31
brouschI have nice scripts for installing on ubuntu 12.04 and debian stable15:32
brouschAnd Windows is easy15:32
jrwrendoesn't work on mac15:32
jrwrenhttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6561906/ fail15:33
brouschEach new OSX breaks Python15:34
jrwrenits cuz I don't have deps.15:34
brouschhttp://kivy.org/docs/installation/installation-macosx.html15:34
brouschI'm pretty sure that works if your Python is not broken15:35
wafthis is cool: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1497958/how-to-use-vim-registers#answer-701876015:43
wafi had no idea that vim registers / macros were linked like that15:44
jrwrenyeah, I don't want the app.15:46
jrwrengive me a list of deps15:47
jrwreni should really work vim registers into my vim workflow, but I just don't use them.15:47
wafyeah, i don't either, unfortunately. i'll sometimes use the null register "_15:49
jrwrenkivy uses cython \m/ https://github.com/kivy/kivy/blob/master/kivy/_event.pyx15:49
trevlarwaf: very cool15:52
brouschjrwren: Maybe you can find the dependencies from my Ubuntu install script https://gist.github.com/brousch/658938615:55
trevlarone step further that could be used to save some common macros to your vimrc http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2024443/saving-vim-macros15:55
brouschMost of the weird stuff is for pygame, which Kivy uses15:55
jrwrenwtf does it use numpy for?15:57
brouschjrwren: Fuck if I know. Pygame is full of mysteries http://www.pygame.org/wiki/CompileUbuntu15:59
jrwrensomeday maybe I'll look into all this.16:01
jrwreni don't write desktop or palmtop python16:01
brouschI'm too lazy to learn Java, so I mostly use Kivy for Android apps16:01
brouschIt has to compile and bundle a whole python binary in each APK16:02
jrwrenmakes sense.16:03
jrwrenyou aren't too lazy, you are too smart16:03
jrwrenjava is evil16:03
brouschThere is a Kivy project called pyjnius that lets you wrap Java in Python, so you have access to pretty much the whole Android API16:04
brouschBut you have to dive into the Android API docs to figure out what to wrap16:05
jrwrensounds ghastly16:05
brouschNot as bad as it sounds, but without it you are limited to pathetic API access like phonegap16:07
brouschThere's a similar iOS project16:07
jrwreni'd jsut use mono for both cases.16:08
jrwrenxamarin studio rather :)16:08
brouschhttps://github.com/kivy/pyobjus16:08
brouschBleh16:08
jrwrenwe hit some serious limits with swift.17:48
jrwrenmy recommendation in general: never use swift. go with ceph17:48
cmaloneyWhy Pygame uses numpy: http://www.pygame.org/docs/ref/surfarray.html18:15
jrwrenwow, crazy18:26
cmaloneySo apparently JoDee printed and my machine went down19:44
cmaloneybecause the UPS sent a "low battery" signal.19:44
cmaloneyStupid UPS software.19:44
brouschYour printer is plugged into the UPS?19:44
cmaloneyWhy does everyone ask me that?19:44
cmaloneyNO19:44
greg-ggotta print in those last 5 minutes!19:44
greg-g;)19:44
cmaloneyOur house wiring predates intelligent electrical design19:45
brouschcmaloney: Because nothing else makes sense19:45
brouschAh, so the printer draws so much current the UPS sees it as a power anomoly and switches to battery, but your battery is so old that it immediately starts a shutdown19:46
brouschMaybe you should put the printer on a UPS so the draw will not be so great on the lines19:46
jrwrenlol19:46
cmaloneybrousch: Brilliant deduction19:47
brouschThank you19:47
cmaloneyPerhaps the neighbors wouldn't mind the extension cord.19:47
cmaloneyIt's a newer UPS19:47
cmaloneybought within the last year.19:47
brouschGet a bigger one19:47
greg-g+1 to tapping neighbor's power19:48
cmaloneyMaybe I should get a generator just for the printer.19:49
cmaloneyThat's eco-friendly?19:49
cmaloney"Honey I need to print" "OK, I'll fire up the generator"19:49
greg-guse bio-diesel19:49
brouschEcofriendly is taking your prints to Walgreens because the only thing you print is photos19:49
greg-gthen make french-fries every day19:49
cmaloneyssh generatorpi19:49
greg-gI think my idea wins, it involves eating french fries every day19:50
cmaloneygreg-g: I could steal grease from the KFC19:50
cmaloneyAlthough they might notice19:50
cmaloneyI think that's the 12th ingredient.19:50
brouschFries are murder! Potatoes are people too!19:50
greg-gthey pay someone to dispose of it, they'd be fine with you taking it (unless someone else already got to them first)19:50
cmaloneyI'm sure it's just run through a still19:50
greg-gbrousch: they go well with the baby goat and baby cow I eat then19:51
brouschgreg-g: At least you end their lives early, before they have time to realize how pointless their lives are19:52
cmaloneyI'm a vegetarian evey time I don't end meat.19:53
greg-gbrousch: ah, not pointless, they help make great compost for the vegetables I eat with them!20:03
cmaloneyhttp://pnacl-amiga-emulator.appspot.com/20:34

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