[03:08] <andygraybeal> so i'm reading this tutorial on postfix ...  http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ and it says:  Note: aptitude is no longer supplied in the base install of Ubuntu. This is due to some concurrency issues. Some part of this document may still refer to aptitude. You should use the original apt-get instead.
[03:08] <jenni> [ How to set up a mail server on a GNU / Linux system ] - https://j.mp/MltUKn
[03:08] <andygraybeal> he says aptitude is not good and apt-get is better.... i've just started to use aptitude because it cleans up my messes a lot nicer... i wonder what is up?
[03:09] <andygraybeal> is there a final word?  or is this an ongoing thing?
[04:44] <skellat> andygraybeal: Seeding decisions aren't always done in the most well-commented fashion.  I'd have to look through commits to the Ubuntu base seed to see what happened who as well as who pulled aptitude.  I've contributed changes to the base install seeds for Xubuntu and Lubuntu but those have usually been minor bits.
[13:21] <andygraybeal> skellat, i'm not very familiar with what you said but it sounds like people disagree on things about things.
[13:22] <andygraybeal> i thougth maybe it was more common knowledge.
[14:57] <thafreak> andygraybeal: I think they took out aptitude from the ubuntu-server base image
[14:57] <thafreak> you can still install it, it just doesn't get installed by default
[14:57] <thafreak> It has something to do with it needing a lot of dependancies
[14:58] <thafreak> Plus I think there is a general move towards making all the core stuff only require python3
[14:58] <thafreak> and I think that it breaks that
[14:58] <thafreak> I'm a fan of aptitude my self, I converted a while ago
[14:58] <thafreak> I still install it on everythin
[14:59] <thafreak> And how are you liking postfix?
[14:59] <thafreak> Are you planning on setting up an inbound mail server, or just an outbound one?
[15:00] <thafreak> The new postfix has some neat stuff built in that does some basic sanity checks for spam now
[15:00] <thafreak> So if you're accepting email from the wild wild internet, make sure to check out postscreen
[15:55] <andygraybeal> thafreak, okay cool
[15:56] <andygraybeal> thafreak, ... well i' cannot make up my mind.. but i want the experience of having a full mail server, encryption and spam/virus defence
[15:57] <andygraybeal> thafreak, ah so you don't like aptitude.. so i've been using apt-get for forever because i didn't even know about aptitude... but when i mess up and do apt-get purge whatever, it doesn't clean up my mess like aptitude purge does.
[15:57] <andygraybeal> ah and i wlil take a note of postscreen
[15:57] <andygraybeal> i gotta wash the bed sheets because my lady let the kid piss three seperate times in it.. i'm kind of upset
[15:57] <andygraybeal> at her
[16:01] <andygraybeal> i just need to drink more coffee
[16:02] <andygraybeal> i don't smoke, but i need some fresh air too
[16:59] <jrgifford> when you are teaching people programming, please remember to have them A. write error free code (haha), or B. only catch specific ones.
[17:00] <jrgifford> catching them all and silently failing is not ok.
[20:34] <cid420> anybody dead, i havent seen anybody really been talking in this channel.. is this dead channel?
[20:34] <paultag> nah
[20:34] <paultag> people just like idling
[20:34] <paultag> and I see tons of talk today
[20:35] <cid420> the irc i am using doesnt keep updated until i move the scroll bar, I noticed after i said that
[20:35] <belkinsa> And yesterday..
[20:35] <cid420> i been checking the channel all day long yesterday unless it was in the morning you guys was talking. it just seems its just to quiet for my taste lmfao
[20:36] <belkinsa> Eh, in most channels, people lurk around.
[20:36] <Unit193> Like creepers.
[20:36] <cid420> heh
[20:36]  * Unit193 creeps in behind drkokandy.
[20:37] <cid420> well i want answers from now on, on questions i ask, so somebody has to be alert hahahhah
[20:38] <cid420> so how is everybody
[20:38] <paultag> aaaannndddd, dead chan
[20:38] <belkinsa> Not as well as I was want to be.
[20:38] <cid420> I finally got my newsgroup server running its really cool
[20:39] <cid420> why is that Belkin
[20:39]  * belkinsa is coming down with something
[20:39] <cid420> sorry to hear
[20:40] <belkinsa> Tip: type in the first letter of the person you want to traget and press tab to have autofill in
[20:40] <cid420> nice didnt know that thanks
[20:40] <cid420> belkinsa cool
[20:40] <belkinsa> Not a problem.  Found out that myself yesterday.
[20:40] <belkinsa> And
[20:41] <belkinsa> Jenni: I love you.
[20:41] <cid420> creepy belkinsa
[20:41] <jenni> belkinsa: *cries* leave me alone...
[20:41] <Unit193> Found out yesterda? 0_o
[20:41] <belkinsa> What?  that tab feature?
[20:42] <cid420> Unit193: what you been upto?
[20:43] <cid420> hey is there anything else i can do with my servers... I have email web server, fileserver and a newsgroup server.. I feel there is alot more i can do but what is that hehe
[20:43] <Unit193> cid420: Packaging, rebuilding a slightly broken iso, trying to figure out all the places I had an IP entered in that has now changed, etc. ;P
[20:43] <cid420> bet that was fun
[20:44] <cid420> Unit193: guess you are a programmer?
[20:44] <Unit193> Nope.
[20:44] <cid420> How many programmers we we have in the group?
[20:44] <cid420> do*
[21:33] <dzho> what are the criteria
[21:33] <dzho> ?
[21:33] <dzho> I can pump out Hello, world! in a few different languages, but don't look to me to write an air-trafic control system in any of them.
[21:33] <dzho> programmer, recreational
[21:34] <Unit193> I generally go with "Have learned the language in some form or another, randomly being able to read sections and edit others doesn't count"
[23:48] <andygraybeal> thafreak, my pic with the new kid: http://imgur.com/AHoh1sk
[23:54] <Unit193> It's a yeti! ;)
[23:55] <andygraybeal> :)