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manchickenIt just hit me, how am I going to submit this libqapt change upstream once I'm done with it?02:39
manchickenIsn't JonT the maintainer?02:39
manchickenTonio: Howdy03:16
manchickenSo quiet tonight.03:27
valoriemanchicken1: submit to reviewboard?05:30
MirvRiddell: the blueprint has no action items or nothing approved such. modified a bit.05:30
MirvRiddell: for Qt 5.2, as soon as there are no build failures against it (https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2/+packages), bugs have been fixed (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.2) and then image built that gives as good results as the current archive versions (http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/) - so it might be a while05:31
manchicken1valorie: That's what the kde-devel people suggested.05:32
Mirvdebfx: I think the qt4-default libqt4-dev was a workaround to be able to install qt4-default and qdbus without pulling in dev files. but actually what should be done is syncing with Debian since they have a fallback configuration for qtchooser which should (if I understand correctly) also help the KDE's case of using qdbus without any qt4-default or such05:33
Mirvand without the current hardcoding of PATH inside KDE which seemed a bit ugly and has caused a bit of trouble to KDE/Ubuntu people wanting to use Qt 5 from command line05:34
=== mikhas_ is now known as mikhas
soeegood morning07:19
calmsivacan we use Jupiter in kubuntu - is it compatible09:31
calmsivai have been using this Jupiter (for power optimisation) in Ubuntu 10.04 & 12.1009:32
calmsivai have installed Jupiter in Kubuntu 12.10 - it has installed - but not opening09:32
valoriecalmsiva: is it in the repositories?09:32
calmsiva> valorie : not checked09:33
valorie$ apt-cache search jupiter09:33
valoriettf-aenigma - 465 free TrueType fonts by Brian Kent09:33
valoriez88dk - Z80 processor assembler and SmallC+ cross compiler09:33
valorieone of those two?09:33
calmsivabut before too I have downloaded Jupiter - PPA - and have used it successfully in Ubuntu 10.04 & 12.0409:33
* valorie has never heard of jupiter09:33
valorie!info jupiter09:33
ubottuPackage jupiter does not exist in saucy09:34
valorieok09:34
valorieso it is not packaged09:34
calmsiva> valorie - Jupiter got installed in Kubuntu 12.10 - but it is not opening09:34
calmsivaOK. the idea is to reduce the CPU - to Low CPU Low display - so that heat generation / radiation is minimal09:35
valoriefor any other discussion about this, let's go to the support chan please, #kubuntu09:35
calmsiva> valorie - you mean I have to go to support chan - could you please suggest09:36
calmsivahow do I go to #kubuntu - please guide me09:36
valoriethis channel is for development09:36
calmsivahow do I go to #kubuntu - please guide me09:37
valoriejust click on it -- see how it's underlined?09:37
valorieor type in a new line: /join #kubuntu09:37
Blizzzapachelogger: now the synaptiks stuff did not crash after wake up09:41
Riddellmorning09:57
valorieheh, calmsiva was asking about jupiter, and it is now being released again: http://itsfoss.com/install-jupiter-ubuntu-1304/09:58
valorieI wonder if the *buntu guys will package it09:58
valoriealso I just found out that Debconf is coming to me this next summer: http://debconf14.debconf.org/09:59
Riddellnerd fest as nim would call it :)10:14
Blizzzapachelogger: woke up again without crashing11:00
Riddellkubotu: newversion artikulate 0.2.011:02
kubotuPackage artikulate doesn't exist yet!11:02
Riddellhmm11:02
jussiwhat is artikulate?11:28
RiddellDescription: Language learning application11:28
Riddellsadly using the secondworst kde naming scheme possible of replacing c with k11:29
jussilol11:30
debfxkartikulate would be the worst naming scheme? ;)11:31
jussidebfx: ++11:32
unicodesnowmandebfx: lol, but I thought artikulate was just named artikulate.11:32
mikhaswhat would it take to shoot the KDE naming convention in the head?11:32
jussimikhas: a bigger gun than you have...11:33
mikhashm :-(11:33
mikhasdo new apps/projects still follow it?11:33
jussimikhas: only if the person who is writing it is weird :P11:33
unicodesnowmanlol11:34
mikhaswell then, luckily that doesn't apply to *any* of us, right? right?11:34
Riddellhi unicodesnowman 11:38
unicodesnowmanhello!11:38
Riddellmikhas: hey I started possibly the first kde app without a stupid k name in umbrello11:39
Riddelland I fixed the capitalisation of aKademy11:39
Riddellsadly I couldn't come up with anything better than kubuntu when that time came11:39
unicodesnowmandid KDE originally start off as being Kool Desktop Enviroment? :311:40
mikhasthat name will stick with you forever … forever!11:41
mikhasplease dont tell me it was one aKaDEmy …11:42
mikhasI dont think I wanna know11:42
Riddellshh, don't give anyone that idea...11:42
unicodesnowmanRiddell: have you seen my task?11:43
unicodesnowmanGNOME stood for GNU Network Object Model Enviroment. the more you know :P11:44
mikhasand GUADEC claims to be for users *and* devs11:44
mikhasonly that GNOME has no users =p11:44
Riddellunicodesnowman: ooh you packaged cutepaste? where can we find that?11:44
RiddellI always what a Network Object Model Enviroment was11:45
mikhasunicodesnowman, actually, I just recently proposed to adopt a Gnome as a mascot for GNOME, the GNOME gnome.11:45
Riddellmikhas: harsh!  I even met someone last night who said he liked Gnome 311:45
mikhasRiddell, Corba11:45
unicodesnowmanhere, https://launchpad.net/~utf8snowman/+archive/cutepaste mikhas lol!11:45
mikhasRiddell, of course -- everyone likes the project they work on11:45
mikhasI know two GNOME fangirls in your city even11:46
unicodesnowmanI think that app is a prime example of Qt overuse syndrome :)11:46
mikhasI think our communities are really good at coming up with bad names11:47
mikhasthat's the one thing Apple cant copy from us, ha!11:47
unicodesnowmanuh, mobileme11:49
mikhaswhy isn't your nick ☃ anyway …11:50
mikhasso confusing!11:50
unicodesnowmanfreenode is racist against snowmans. ☃snowman Erroneous Nickname11:50
unicodesnowmanok, to be honest if they allowed unicode people can squat with lookalike characters.11:50
mikhasyou could just go with U+2603 and everyone would accept and love you11:51
mikhasand we could write smart IRC clients that would parse such nicks11:51
mikhasthink of emoticons11:51
unicodesnowmanor instead of making a new irc client create a new end to end encrypted decentralized protocol :)11:52
mikhasI am full of bad ideas today11:52
unicodesnowman(my planned future project)11:52
mikhassee, that's why no one loves you11:52
Riddellwhee http://pastebin.kde.org/p73wtlp5f11:52
Riddellunicodesnowman: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, libqt5core511:53
mikhashahahahahaha11:53
Riddellunicodesnowman: no need for that final libqt5core5 it gets picked up by the automatic shlibs bit11:53
unicodesnowmanah, that's quite nice!11:54
unicodesnowman<3 debhelper11:54
RiddellBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 9.0.0), cmake, qtdeclarative5-dev11:55
Riddelldoes it really use qtdeclarative5-dev ?11:55
unicodesnowmanhmm, might be overkill11:56
RiddellI think it just needs qt5core and qt5tests11:57
Riddelloh and qt5network11:58
Riddellbut you can use pbuilder to check for sure11:58
unicodesnowmansorry but how'd I do that with pbuilder?12:00
Riddellunicodesnowman: pbuilder --create --distribution trusty12:02
Riddellpbuilder --build foo.dsc12:02
Riddell(I think,do double check)12:02
Riddellthat'll create a contained chroot set up each time you build so if there's a build-dep missing it'll break the compile12:03
unicodesnowmanoh, so I'll still have to try and install/remove deps to figure out what's actually needed?12:03
Riddellunicodesnowman: commented on google melange12:03
Riddellunicodesnowman: yeah12:03
unicodesnowmanok, brb12:04
apacheloggerBlizzz: maybe it was fixed after all ;)12:04
apacheloggerBlizzz: there is definitely another odd crash though, see comment on the bug report12:04
* apachelogger begins to suspect that this may be a race condition with udev or something12:04
Blizzzmight be12:08
Blizzzi keep this thing running, if the crash turns up i will let you know12:08
Blizzzapachelogger: ^12:09
apacheloggerBlizzz: ok, regular plug events don't crash though?12:12
Blizzzapachelogger: no12:13
apacheloggerok, that bug is fixed then please comment on the report 12:14
unicodesnowmanyay for distro hopping and swapping gpg keys around :P12:16
unicodesnowmanRiddell: I uploaded ~ppa2 which fixed Build-Depends and Depends, and commented what I found on the bugs. the redshift plasma widget just got packaged!12:18
unicodesnowmancouldn't actually get redshift to work, gave me a segfault :(12:19
RiddellQuintasan: did you get any segfault with that?12:19
QuintasanRiddell: Not on saucy12:19
unicodesnowmanon saucy too12:20
unicodesnowmanhttps://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?59047-Redshift-isn-t-working12:20
Quintasanapachelogger: are you running trusty ?12:21
RiddellQuintasan: did the redshift binaries get rejected?  they haven't appeared in the archive or New queue12:22
QuintasanRiddell: Are we talking about plasmoid or the daemon itself?12:22
RiddellQuintasan: umm, are there two source packages?12:23
BluesKajHi all12:24
unicodesnowmanhi BluesKaj!12:24
QuintasanRiddell: What I packaged is plasma-widget-redshit, the redshift daemon is another package12:24
BluesKajhi unicodesnowman12:24
QuintasanThe problem that unicodesnowman is talking about is a problem with the daemon itself12:24
QuintasanAnd it should get reported and fixed12:25
QuintasanThing is that I got it working yesterday and apachelogger also did12:25
apacheloggerhm12:26
unicodesnowmanit obviously breaks with some user data or something, surprised it's not reported even through there's a lot of reports. I'll report it now12:26
Quintasanhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/redshift/+bug/86890412:26
apacheloggerredshift (binary) must be called with arguments or it asserts out12:26
ubottuUbuntu bug 868904 in Redshift "Redshift fails to start with session due to geoclue failure" [High,Confirmed]12:26
Quintasanor maybe12:27
Quintasanhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/redshift/+bug/80636412:27
ubottuUbuntu bug 806364 in Redshift "segfault/assertion fail on Ubuntu 10.10/amd64 redshift 1.7" [Undecided,Fix released]12:27
QuintasanBut that apparently got fixed12:27
apachelogger^ neihter IMO12:27
unicodesnowmanhm12:27
apacheloggerthe plasmoid starts redshift12:27
unicodesnowmanthis one12:27
unicodesnowmanhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/redshift/+bug/109062912:27
ubottuUbuntu bug 1090629 in Redshift "Segfault on Kubuntu 12.10" [Undecided,Fix released]12:27
apacheloggeri.e. what I did was build the plasmoid -> install redshift -> add plasmoid -> worked12:27
QuintasanArgh this is giving me a headache12:28
apacheloggerwell12:28
apacheloggerglib software12:28
apachelogger....12:28
* unicodesnowman wonders why he didn't do drupal for GCI, now there's only 2 contestants lol :)12:28
apacheloggerwhat did you expect :P12:28
Quintasanunicodesnowman: install  geoclue and geoclue-hostip12:28
Quintasanand see if it works12:28
Quintasanunicodesnowman: and the bug you linked apparently got fixed too12:29
Quintasanunicodesnowman: trusy, saucy or raring?12:29
unicodesnowmanworks now after geoclue geoclue + geoclue-hostip. saucy12:29
RiddellQuintasan: fancy uploading it with those added as deps?12:32
QuintasanRiddell: I think I can12:32
Quintasanunicodesnowman: Can you report a bug against redshift package?12:32
unicodesnowmanleft a comment here https://bugs.launchpad.net/redshift/+bug/109062912:34
ubottuUbuntu bug 1090629 in Redshift "Segfault on Kubuntu 12.10" [Undecided,Fix released]12:34
Quintasanuh12:34
QuintasanIt's fixed in trusty12:34
Quintasan  15 Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, geoclue-hostip                                                                                               12:34
Riddellsorted then12:35
Riddellalthough doesn't explain why the -proposed to -updates migration can't see the .debs12:35
Riddellunicodesnowman: those build-deps are wrong12:36
RiddellBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 9.0.0), cmake, qt5core, qt5tests, qt5network12:36
Quintasanunicodesnowman: I wanted you to file a bug against the package in Ubuntu, not the project itself.12:36
Riddellshould be whatever -dev packages for them12:36
Riddellqtbase5-dev may well provide them all I'm not sure12:37
unicodesnowmanoh yeah12:38
Quintasanunicodesnowman: Well, anyways it got sorted out in trusty.12:38
QuintasanI think this deserves an SRU12:38
alaahey guys12:38
alaaI need some help12:38
haroldbethwelshanyone know how i can get my network connection to work in kubuntu?12:38
alaaeverytime I try to run blender or k3d nothing happens12:39
alaablender starts loading and then the mini icon next the pointer disappears12:39
Riddellharoldbethwelsh, alaa: user support in #kubuntu12:39
Quintasanharoldbethwelsh, alaa: Support is at #kubuntu12:39
alaak3d shows me a startup menu, and starts loading then stops12:39
alaaoh sorry12:40
alaano one answers me there12:40
haroldbethwelsh#kubuntu12:40
Quintasanalaa: Well, I can't see you asking your question there in the past 5 hours12:40
alaatrue, but I've been asking this question for nearly a week now12:41
alaaand no one seems to help at all12:41
alaaI even messaged the user in the menu at the top and nothing happened12:41
unicodesnowmanalaa: have you tried http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/kubuntu12:42
alaaand this is the one thing that is driving me mad12:42
alaano. I will try. Thanks anyway12:42
Riddellthere's also a kubuntu-users mailing list12:46
Riddellif it's not running from the GUI try it from the command line and see what happens12:46
unicodesnowmanyay, ~ppa3 successfully built .. but not published yet.12:49
unicodesnowmanRiddell: http://pastebin.kde.org/pa4zcafml :) 12:56
Riddellunicodesnowman: how do you get it to paste conent from a command line rather than a file?13:00
unicodesnowmanRiddell: echo "hello" | cutepaste13:01
Riddelloh I see just not give it any arguments13:01
unicodesnowmansee the man page for some advanced uses :P13:01
Riddellhmm I may end up using this a lot13:01
unicodesnowmanhm, wonder if you can script a keyboard shortcut to rapidly pastebin13:02
Riddellklipper used to have a pastebin built in but not now it seems13:05
unicodesnowmanalso, if it's all ok, please mark the task as complete :)13:12
Riddellhang on.. looking13:14
Riddellunicodesnowman: uploaded to archive!13:15
Riddell"Congratulations, this task has been completed successfully."13:17
unicodesnowmanWait, does that mean it's now included ?13:17
Riddellunicodesnowman: not quite, it needs to got through New review which means an archive admin needs to check it for a valid licence etc13:18
Riddellunicodesnowman: then it needs to go build then it needs to go through New review again for the .deb files to be checked for sanity13:19
unicodesnowmanah, well it's under LGPL2.1+ and I've marked it correctly, etc, but I feel kinda awesome. thanks!13:19
Riddellthen it'll be in ubuntu trusty and anyone with trusty can install it13:19
unicodesnowmanalso, could I inquire about the http://wire.kubuntu.org/ task? not sure how well it'll work if it takes 10 days13:20
unicodesnowmanas you can only work on one task at a time13:20
Riddellunicodesnowman: it only takes 10 days because I want them spread out13:20
Riddelloh hmm13:20
Riddelldidn't realise that13:20
Riddellthen maybe I'll just make it shorter and assume they'll get posted13:20
Riddellyou could put cutepaste into kubuntu-ppa/backports if you think it's useful to people with 13.10/saucy13:21
Riddellhmm I can't change the time on the task13:22
Riddellunicodesnowman: but it's just write half a dozen blog posts on topics to pimp kubuntu (I already have about five here)13:23
unicodesnowmanwhat about writing the articles, marking the task as closed and then posting it spread out? 13:25
Riddellunicodesnowman: yes that's all good13:25
Riddellpost 1 and write another 5 to complete, then just post them in your own time13:26
unicodesnowmanok, cool, I claimed it! Please let me create an wp account for http://wire.kubuntu.org/13:27
unicodesnowmando you want blog posts like "What's new in Kubuntu Trusty?"13:28
Riddellunicodesnowman: my ideas  http://pastebin.kde.org/px5kvoktr13:29
Riddella paragraph or two about those blog posts or those projects and a pretty picture to go with them13:29
unicodesnowmanhmm, as in write something similar in scope to those, or summarize / add blurb and "reblog" it?13:30
unicodesnowmanoh, ok13:30
Riddellsummarize / add blurb and link it13:31
Riddell"here's a nice blog post I found which talks about x and y"13:31
Riddell"ERROR: This username is invalid because it uses illegal characters. Please enter a valid username."  wordpress no like snowmen either13:31
Riddellunicodesnowman: ok you should have an e-mail with account details13:32
Riddellshadeslayer: uh oh, kolab broke kdepim-runtime?13:35
Riddell/usr/bin/ld: warning: libkolabxml.so.0, needed by /usr/lib/libkolab.so.0.4.1, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)13:35
Riddell/usr/lib/libkolab.so.0.4.1: undefined reference to `Kolab::Contact::setEmailAddresses(std::vector<std::string, std::allocator<std::string> > const&, int)'13:35
Riddellin ninjas13:35
unicodesnowmanthanks, got it!13:36
tsdgeos$ ldd /usr/lib/libkolab.so.0.4.1 | grep found13:52
tsdgeos        libkolabxml.so.0 => not found13:52
tsdgeosthat's kind of weird, no?13:52
tsdgeosRiddell: ↑↑13:52
unicodesnowmanRiddell: What do you think about http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=86 ?13:59
* unicodesnowman needs sleep, night everyone.14:14
Riddelltsdgeos: hmm yes it is14:18
Riddellshadeslayer: what broke in libkolabxml?14:19
tsdgeosthe thing is14:19
tsdgeosnothing14:19
tsdgeosignore "the thing is" :D14:19
Riddellit should be libkolabxml1 now14:20
tsdgeosah yes14:20
tsdgeosright14:20
tsdgeoswhich is /usr/lib/libkolabxml.so.114:20
tsdgeosnot libkolabxml14:20
tsdgeosso you need a rebuild?14:20
Riddellkdepim-runtime build it failing now in the 4.12 testing archive (kubuntu-ninjas)  just trying it locally now to see if I can work out what's up14:21
tsdgeoswell14:21
tsdgeosit failed becaue of that14:21
tsdgeosi can tell you because the same happened here locally ;-)14:22
tsdgeosso you need to rebuild libkolab0 so that it wants libkolabxml.so.1 instead of libkolabxml.so.014:22
tsdgeosand then all be fine and dandy14:22
Riddellah right, libkolab14:23
Riddellneeds updated to 0.5.014:24
* Riddell makes it sew14:26
Fa_1could it be possible that the kwin appmenu button is broken in 14.04? everytime i enable it i cant use kate, akregator, kmail, ktp, kate and some other apps anymore. they just freez right after the start14:33
shadeslayerRiddell: libkolab needs to be rebuilt against libkoalbxml , they also have a new release14:35
shadeslayerbut it's heavily patched and I was looking at it after I uploaded libkolabxml14:36
Riddelllooking at it now14:41
shadeslayercool thx14:43
RiddellFa_1: what is it?14:45
Blizzzthanks to all involved in kdevelop packaging :)15:03
RiddellBlizzz: I think the main people to thank will be kdevelop upstream :)15:09
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BlizzzRiddell: true15:10
Guest97602why is it every time i install kbuntu 13.10 that about a month later i can mot update or install programs  it tells me to debug ut that crashes to  why15:18
BluesKajGuest97602, you  to upgrade more often than that15:22
BluesKajneed to15:22
Fa_1Riddell: it's a (application-)menu botton in the windowdecoration. you can enable it in your systemsettings -  application appearance  - style - finetuning. works great in in 13.04 and 13.10 but seems to breake the most things in 14.04 right now15:43
FlowRiserhey guys, can someone explain what do the colors of the bugs on kde.bugs.org mean ? i.e. green/orange/red/gray16:21
RiddellFlowRiser: nope, can you give an example?16:33
Riddellgroovy, 4.12 is about done in trusty16:38
Riddellneeds uploaded to saucy and precise and l10n done16:38
soee;o16:39
soeeam i missed something?16:39
soeenah someone lied to me :) http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.0_saucy.html16:40
Riddellhmm bug 1257760 not good16:52
ubottubug 1257760 in lightdm-kde (Ubuntu) "Lightdm doesn't launch Plasma on Kubuntu Trusty anymore" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125776016:52
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shadeslayerRiddell: should be fixed no?17:07
shadeslayerRiddell: FWIW libkolab also has bugs where you installed header files with the lib17:09
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soeesomeone put saucy 4.12 to build ?20:57
Peace-? http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/LiMux.html20:58
=== genii_ is now known as genii
geniiBTW 4.12 is working nicely here so far.21:04
soeegenii: trusty ?21:11
geniisoee: Yep21:12
soeehow we will get it for saucy soon :)21:18
soee*hope21:18

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