[02:39] <manchicken> It just hit me, how am I going to submit this libqapt change upstream once I'm done with it?
[02:39] <manchicken> Isn't JonT the maintainer?
[03:16] <manchicken> Tonio: Howdy
[03:27] <manchicken> So quiet tonight.
[05:30] <valorie> manchicken1: submit to reviewboard?
[05:30] <Mirv> Riddell: the blueprint has no action items or nothing approved such. modified a bit.
[05:31] <Mirv> Riddell: for Qt 5.2, as soon as there are no build failures against it (https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2/+packages), bugs have been fixed (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.2) and then image built that gives as good results as the current archive versions (http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/) - so it might be a while
[05:32] <manchicken1> valorie: That's what the kde-devel people suggested.
[05:33] <Mirv> debfx: I think the qt4-default libqt4-dev was a workaround to be able to install qt4-default and qdbus without pulling in dev files. but actually what should be done is syncing with Debian since they have a fallback configuration for qtchooser which should (if I understand correctly) also help the KDE's case of using qdbus without any qt4-default or such
[05:34] <Mirv> and without the current hardcoding of PATH inside KDE which seemed a bit ugly and has caused a bit of trouble to KDE/Ubuntu people wanting to use Qt 5 from command line
[07:19] <soee> good morning
[09:31] <calmsiva> can we use Jupiter in kubuntu - is it compatible
[09:32] <calmsiva> i have been using this Jupiter (for power optimisation) in Ubuntu 10.04 & 12.10
[09:32] <calmsiva> i have installed Jupiter in Kubuntu 12.10 - it has installed - but not opening
[09:32] <valorie> calmsiva: is it in the repositories?
[09:33] <calmsiva> > valorie : not checked
[09:33] <valorie> $ apt-cache search jupiter
[09:33] <valorie> ttf-aenigma - 465 free TrueType fonts by Brian Kent
[09:33] <valorie> z88dk - Z80 processor assembler and SmallC+ cross compiler
[09:33] <valorie> one of those two?
[09:33] <calmsiva> but before too I have downloaded Jupiter - PPA - and have used it successfully in Ubuntu 10.04 & 12.04
[09:33]  * valorie has never heard of jupiter
[09:33] <valorie> !info jupiter
[09:34] <valorie> ok
[09:34] <valorie> so it is not packaged
[09:34] <calmsiva> > valorie - Jupiter got installed in Kubuntu 12.10 - but it is not opening
[09:35] <calmsiva> OK. the idea is to reduce the CPU - to Low CPU Low display - so that heat generation / radiation is minimal
[09:35] <valorie> for any other discussion about this, let's go to the support chan please, #kubuntu
[09:36] <calmsiva> > valorie - you mean I have to go to support chan - could you please suggest
[09:36] <calmsiva> how do I go to #kubuntu - please guide me
[09:36] <valorie> this channel is for development
[09:37] <calmsiva> how do I go to #kubuntu - please guide me
[09:37] <valorie> just click on it -- see how it's underlined?
[09:37] <valorie> or type in a new line: /join #kubuntu
[09:41] <Blizzz> apachelogger: now the synaptiks stuff did not crash after wake up
[09:57] <Riddell> morning
[09:58] <valorie> heh, calmsiva was asking about jupiter, and it is now being released again: http://itsfoss.com/install-jupiter-ubuntu-1304/
[09:58] <valorie> I wonder if the *buntu guys will package it
[09:59] <valorie> also I just found out that Debconf is coming to me this next summer: http://debconf14.debconf.org/
[10:14] <Riddell> nerd fest as nim would call it :)
[11:00] <Blizzz> apachelogger: woke up again without crashing
[11:02] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion artikulate 0.2.0
[11:02] <kubotu> Package artikulate doesn't exist yet!
[11:02] <Riddell> hmm
[11:28] <jussi> what is artikulate?
[11:28] <Riddell> Description: Language learning application
[11:29] <Riddell> sadly using the secondworst kde naming scheme possible of replacing c with k
[11:30] <jussi> lol
[11:31] <debfx> kartikulate would be the worst naming scheme? ;)
[11:32] <jussi> debfx: ++
[11:32] <unicodesnowman> debfx: lol, but I thought artikulate was just named artikulate.
[11:32] <mikhas> what would it take to shoot the KDE naming convention in the head?
[11:33] <jussi> mikhas: a bigger gun than you have...
[11:33] <mikhas> hm :-(
[11:33] <mikhas> do new apps/projects still follow it?
[11:33] <jussi> mikhas: only if the person who is writing it is weird :P
[11:34] <unicodesnowman> lol
[11:34] <mikhas> well then, luckily that doesn't apply to *any* of us, right? right?
[11:38] <Riddell> hi unicodesnowman 
[11:38] <unicodesnowman> hello!
[11:39] <Riddell> mikhas: hey I started possibly the first kde app without a stupid k name in umbrello
[11:39] <Riddell> and I fixed the capitalisation of aKademy
[11:39] <Riddell> sadly I couldn't come up with anything better than kubuntu when that time came
[11:40] <unicodesnowman> did KDE originally start off as being Kool Desktop Enviroment? :3
[11:41] <mikhas> that name will stick with you forever … forever!
[11:42] <mikhas> please dont tell me it was one aKaDEmy …
[11:42] <mikhas> I dont think I wanna know
[11:42] <Riddell> shh, don't give anyone that idea...
[11:43] <unicodesnowman> Riddell: have you seen my task?
[11:44] <unicodesnowman> GNOME stood for GNU Network Object Model Enviroment. the more you know :P
[11:44] <mikhas> and GUADEC claims to be for users *and* devs
[11:44] <mikhas> only that GNOME has no users =p
[11:44] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: ooh you packaged cutepaste? where can we find that?
[11:45] <Riddell> I always what a Network Object Model Enviroment was
[11:45] <mikhas> unicodesnowman, actually, I just recently proposed to adopt a Gnome as a mascot for GNOME, the GNOME gnome.
[11:45] <Riddell> mikhas: harsh!  I even met someone last night who said he liked Gnome 3
[11:45] <mikhas> Riddell, Corba
[11:45] <unicodesnowman> here, https://launchpad.net/~utf8snowman/+archive/cutepaste mikhas lol!
[11:45] <mikhas> Riddell, of course -- everyone likes the project they work on
[11:46] <mikhas> I know two GNOME fangirls in your city even
[11:46] <unicodesnowman> I think that app is a prime example of Qt overuse syndrome :)
[11:47] <mikhas> I think our communities are really good at coming up with bad names
[11:47] <mikhas> that's the one thing Apple cant copy from us, ha!
[11:49] <unicodesnowman> uh, mobileme
[11:50] <mikhas> why isn't your nick ☃ anyway …
[11:50] <mikhas> so confusing!
[11:50] <unicodesnowman> freenode is racist against snowmans. ☃snowman Erroneous Nickname
[11:50] <unicodesnowman> ok, to be honest if they allowed unicode people can squat with lookalike characters.
[11:51] <mikhas> you could just go with U+2603 and everyone would accept and love you
[11:51] <mikhas> and we could write smart IRC clients that would parse such nicks
[11:51] <mikhas> think of emoticons
[11:52] <unicodesnowman> or instead of making a new irc client create a new end to end encrypted decentralized protocol :)
[11:52] <mikhas> I am full of bad ideas today
[11:52] <unicodesnowman> (my planned future project)
[11:52] <mikhas> see, that's why no one loves you
[11:52] <Riddell> whee http://pastebin.kde.org/p73wtlp5f
[11:53] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, libqt5core5
[11:53] <mikhas> hahahahahaha
[11:53] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: no need for that final libqt5core5 it gets picked up by the automatic shlibs bit
[11:54] <unicodesnowman> ah, that's quite nice!
[11:54] <unicodesnowman> <3 debhelper
[11:55] <Riddell> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9.0.0), cmake, qtdeclarative5-dev
[11:55] <Riddell> does it really use qtdeclarative5-dev ?
[11:56] <unicodesnowman> hmm, might be overkill
[11:57] <Riddell> I think it just needs qt5core and qt5tests
[11:58] <Riddell> oh and qt5network
[11:58] <Riddell> but you can use pbuilder to check for sure
[12:00] <unicodesnowman> sorry but how'd I do that with pbuilder?
[12:02] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: pbuilder --create --distribution trusty
[12:02] <Riddell> pbuilder --build foo.dsc
[12:02] <Riddell> (I think,do double check)
[12:03] <Riddell> that'll create a contained chroot set up each time you build so if there's a build-dep missing it'll break the compile
[12:03] <unicodesnowman> oh, so I'll still have to try and install/remove deps to figure out what's actually needed?
[12:03] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: commented on google melange
[12:03] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: yeah
[12:04] <unicodesnowman> ok, brb
[12:04] <apachelogger> Blizzz: maybe it was fixed after all ;)
[12:04] <apachelogger> Blizzz: there is definitely another odd crash though, see comment on the bug report
[12:04]  * apachelogger begins to suspect that this may be a race condition with udev or something
[12:08] <Blizzz> might be
[12:08] <Blizzz> i keep this thing running, if the crash turns up i will let you know
[12:09] <Blizzz> apachelogger: ^
[12:12] <apachelogger> Blizzz: ok, regular plug events don't crash though?
[12:13] <Blizzz> apachelogger: no
[12:14] <apachelogger> ok, that bug is fixed then please comment on the report 
[12:16] <unicodesnowman> yay for distro hopping and swapping gpg keys around :P
[12:18] <unicodesnowman> Riddell: I uploaded ~ppa2 which fixed Build-Depends and Depends, and commented what I found on the bugs. the redshift plasma widget just got packaged!
[12:19] <unicodesnowman> couldn't actually get redshift to work, gave me a segfault :(
[12:19] <Riddell> Quintasan: did you get any segfault with that?
[12:19] <Quintasan> Riddell: Not on saucy
[12:20] <unicodesnowman> on saucy too
[12:20] <unicodesnowman> https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?59047-Redshift-isn-t-working
[12:21] <Quintasan> apachelogger: are you running trusty ?
[12:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: did the redshift binaries get rejected?  they haven't appeared in the archive or New queue
[12:22] <Quintasan> Riddell: Are we talking about plasmoid or the daemon itself?
[12:23] <Riddell> Quintasan: umm, are there two source packages?
[12:24] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:24] <unicodesnowman> hi BluesKaj!
[12:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: What I packaged is plasma-widget-redshit, the redshift daemon is another package
[12:24] <BluesKaj> hi unicodesnowman
[12:24] <Quintasan> The problem that unicodesnowman is talking about is a problem with the daemon itself
[12:25] <Quintasan> And it should get reported and fixed
[12:25] <Quintasan> Thing is that I got it working yesterday and apachelogger also did
[12:26] <apachelogger> hm
[12:26] <unicodesnowman> it obviously breaks with some user data or something, surprised it's not reported even through there's a lot of reports. I'll report it now
[12:26] <Quintasan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/redshift/+bug/868904
[12:26] <apachelogger> redshift (binary) must be called with arguments or it asserts out
[12:27] <Quintasan> or maybe
[12:27] <Quintasan> https://bugs.launchpad.net/redshift/+bug/806364
[12:27] <Quintasan> But that apparently got fixed
[12:27] <apachelogger> ^ neihter IMO
[12:27] <unicodesnowman> hm
[12:27] <apachelogger> the plasmoid starts redshift
[12:27] <unicodesnowman> this one
[12:27] <unicodesnowman> https://bugs.launchpad.net/redshift/+bug/1090629
[12:27] <apachelogger> i.e. what I did was build the plasmoid -> install redshift -> add plasmoid -> worked
[12:28] <Quintasan> Argh this is giving me a headache
[12:28] <apachelogger> well
[12:28] <apachelogger> glib software
[12:28] <apachelogger> ....
[12:28]  * unicodesnowman wonders why he didn't do drupal for GCI, now there's only 2 contestants lol :)
[12:28] <apachelogger> what did you expect :P
[12:28] <Quintasan> unicodesnowman: install  geoclue and geoclue-hostip
[12:28] <Quintasan> and see if it works
[12:29] <Quintasan> unicodesnowman: and the bug you linked apparently got fixed too
[12:29] <Quintasan> unicodesnowman: trusy, saucy or raring?
[12:29] <unicodesnowman> works now after geoclue geoclue + geoclue-hostip. saucy
[12:32] <Riddell> Quintasan: fancy uploading it with those added as deps?
[12:32] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think I can
[12:32] <Quintasan> unicodesnowman: Can you report a bug against redshift package?
[12:34] <unicodesnowman> left a comment here https://bugs.launchpad.net/redshift/+bug/1090629
[12:34] <Quintasan> uh
[12:34] <Quintasan> It's fixed in trusty
[12:34] <Quintasan>   15 Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, geoclue-hostip                                                                                               
[12:35] <Riddell> sorted then
[12:35] <Riddell> although doesn't explain why the -proposed to -updates migration can't see the .debs
[12:36] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: those build-deps are wrong
[12:36] <Riddell> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9.0.0), cmake, qt5core, qt5tests, qt5network
[12:36] <Quintasan> unicodesnowman: I wanted you to file a bug against the package in Ubuntu, not the project itself.
[12:36] <Riddell> should be whatever -dev packages for them
[12:37] <Riddell> qtbase5-dev may well provide them all I'm not sure
[12:38] <unicodesnowman> oh yeah
[12:38] <Quintasan> unicodesnowman: Well, anyways it got sorted out in trusty.
[12:38] <Quintasan> I think this deserves an SRU
[12:38] <alaa> hey guys
[12:38] <alaa> I need some help
[12:38] <haroldbethwelsh> anyone know how i can get my network connection to work in kubuntu?
[12:39] <alaa> everytime I try to run blender or k3d nothing happens
[12:39] <alaa> blender starts loading and then the mini icon next the pointer disappears
[12:39] <Riddell> haroldbethwelsh, alaa: user support in #kubuntu
[12:39] <Quintasan> haroldbethwelsh, alaa: Support is at #kubuntu
[12:39] <alaa> k3d shows me a startup menu, and starts loading then stops
[12:40] <alaa> oh sorry
[12:40] <alaa> no one answers me there
[12:40] <haroldbethwelsh> #kubuntu
[12:40] <Quintasan> alaa: Well, I can't see you asking your question there in the past 5 hours
[12:41] <alaa> true, but I've been asking this question for nearly a week now
[12:41] <alaa> and no one seems to help at all
[12:41] <alaa> I even messaged the user in the menu at the top and nothing happened
[12:42] <unicodesnowman> alaa: have you tried http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/kubuntu
[12:42] <alaa> and this is the one thing that is driving me mad
[12:42] <alaa> no. I will try. Thanks anyway
[12:46] <Riddell> there's also a kubuntu-users mailing list
[12:46] <Riddell> if it's not running from the GUI try it from the command line and see what happens
[12:49] <unicodesnowman> yay, ~ppa3 successfully built .. but not published yet.
[12:56] <unicodesnowman> Riddell: http://pastebin.kde.org/pa4zcafml :) 
[13:00] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: how do you get it to paste conent from a command line rather than a file?
[13:01] <unicodesnowman> Riddell: echo "hello" | cutepaste
[13:01] <Riddell> oh I see just not give it any arguments
[13:01] <unicodesnowman> see the man page for some advanced uses :P
[13:01] <Riddell> hmm I may end up using this a lot
[13:02] <unicodesnowman> hm, wonder if you can script a keyboard shortcut to rapidly pastebin
[13:05] <Riddell> klipper used to have a pastebin built in but not now it seems
[13:12] <unicodesnowman> also, if it's all ok, please mark the task as complete :)
[13:14] <Riddell> hang on.. looking
[13:15] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: uploaded to archive!
[13:17] <Riddell> "Congratulations, this task has been completed successfully."
[13:17] <unicodesnowman> Wait, does that mean it's now included ?
[13:18] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: not quite, it needs to got through New review which means an archive admin needs to check it for a valid licence etc
[13:19] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: then it needs to go build then it needs to go through New review again for the .deb files to be checked for sanity
[13:19] <unicodesnowman> ah, well it's under LGPL2.1+ and I've marked it correctly, etc, but I feel kinda awesome. thanks!
[13:19] <Riddell> then it'll be in ubuntu trusty and anyone with trusty can install it
[13:20] <unicodesnowman> also, could I inquire about the http://wire.kubuntu.org/ task? not sure how well it'll work if it takes 10 days
[13:20] <unicodesnowman> as you can only work on one task at a time
[13:20] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: it only takes 10 days because I want them spread out
[13:20] <Riddell> oh hmm
[13:20] <Riddell> didn't realise that
[13:20] <Riddell> then maybe I'll just make it shorter and assume they'll get posted
[13:21] <Riddell> you could put cutepaste into kubuntu-ppa/backports if you think it's useful to people with 13.10/saucy
[13:22] <Riddell> hmm I can't change the time on the task
[13:23] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: but it's just write half a dozen blog posts on topics to pimp kubuntu (I already have about five here)
[13:25] <unicodesnowman> what about writing the articles, marking the task as closed and then posting it spread out? 
[13:25] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: yes that's all good
[13:26] <Riddell> post 1 and write another 5 to complete, then just post them in your own time
[13:27] <unicodesnowman> ok, cool, I claimed it! Please let me create an wp account for http://wire.kubuntu.org/
[13:28] <unicodesnowman> do you want blog posts like "What's new in Kubuntu Trusty?"
[13:29] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: my ideas  http://pastebin.kde.org/px5kvoktr
[13:29] <Riddell> a paragraph or two about those blog posts or those projects and a pretty picture to go with them
[13:30] <unicodesnowman> hmm, as in write something similar in scope to those, or summarize / add blurb and "reblog" it?
[13:30] <unicodesnowman> oh, ok
[13:31] <Riddell> summarize / add blurb and link it
[13:31] <Riddell> "here's a nice blog post I found which talks about x and y"
[13:31] <Riddell> "ERROR: This username is invalid because it uses illegal characters. Please enter a valid username."  wordpress no like snowmen either
[13:32] <Riddell> unicodesnowman: ok you should have an e-mail with account details
[13:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: uh oh, kolab broke kdepim-runtime?
[13:35] <Riddell> /usr/bin/ld: warning: libkolabxml.so.0, needed by /usr/lib/libkolab.so.0.4.1, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link)
[13:35] <Riddell> /usr/lib/libkolab.so.0.4.1: undefined reference to `Kolab::Contact::setEmailAddresses(std::vector<std::string, std::allocator<std::string> > const&, int)'
[13:35] <Riddell> in ninjas
[13:36] <unicodesnowman> thanks, got it!
[13:52] <tsdgeos> $ ldd /usr/lib/libkolab.so.0.4.1 | grep found
[13:52] <tsdgeos>         libkolabxml.so.0 => not found
[13:52] <tsdgeos> that's kind of weird, no?
[13:52] <tsdgeos> Riddell: ↑↑
[13:59] <unicodesnowman> Riddell: What do you think about http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=86 ?
[14:14]  * unicodesnowman needs sleep, night everyone.
[14:18] <Riddell> tsdgeos: hmm yes it is
[14:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what broke in libkolabxml?
[14:19] <tsdgeos> the thing is
[14:19] <tsdgeos> nothing
[14:19] <tsdgeos> ignore "the thing is" :D
[14:20] <Riddell> it should be libkolabxml1 now
[14:20] <tsdgeos> ah yes
[14:20] <tsdgeos> right
[14:20] <tsdgeos> which is /usr/lib/libkolabxml.so.1
[14:20] <tsdgeos> not libkolabxml
[14:20] <tsdgeos> so you need a rebuild?
[14:21] <Riddell> kdepim-runtime build it failing now in the 4.12 testing archive (kubuntu-ninjas)  just trying it locally now to see if I can work out what's up
[14:21] <tsdgeos> well
[14:21] <tsdgeos> it failed becaue of that
[14:22] <tsdgeos> i can tell you because the same happened here locally ;-)
[14:22] <tsdgeos> so you need to rebuild libkolab0 so that it wants libkolabxml.so.1 instead of libkolabxml.so.0
[14:22] <tsdgeos> and then all be fine and dandy
[14:23] <Riddell> ah right, libkolab
[14:24] <Riddell> needs updated to 0.5.0
[14:26]  * Riddell makes it sew
[14:33] <Fa_1> could it be possible that the kwin appmenu button is broken in 14.04? everytime i enable it i cant use kate, akregator, kmail, ktp, kate and some other apps anymore. they just freez right after the start
[14:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: libkolab needs to be rebuilt against libkoalbxml , they also have a new release
[14:36] <shadeslayer> but it's heavily patched and I was looking at it after I uploaded libkolabxml
[14:41] <Riddell> looking at it now
[14:43] <shadeslayer> cool thx
[14:45] <Riddell> Fa_1: what is it?
[15:03] <Blizzz> thanks to all involved in kdevelop packaging :)
[15:09] <Riddell> Blizzz: I think the main people to thank will be kdevelop upstream :)
[15:10] <Blizzz> Riddell: true
[15:18] <Guest97602> why is it every time i install kbuntu 13.10 that about a month later i can mot update or install programs  it tells me to debug ut that crashes to  why
[15:22] <BluesKaj> Guest97602, you  to upgrade more often than that
[15:22] <BluesKaj> need to
[15:43] <Fa_1> Riddell: it's a (application-)menu botton in the windowdecoration. you can enable it in your systemsettings -  application appearance  - style - finetuning. works great in in 13.04 and 13.10 but seems to breake the most things in 14.04 right now
[16:21] <FlowRiser> hey guys, can someone explain what do the colors of the bugs on kde.bugs.org mean ? i.e. green/orange/red/gray
[16:33] <Riddell> FlowRiser: nope, can you give an example?
[16:38] <Riddell> groovy, 4.12 is about done in trusty
[16:38] <Riddell> needs uploaded to saucy and precise and l10n done
[16:39] <soee> ;o
[16:39] <soee> am i missed something?
[16:40] <soee> nah someone lied to me :) http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.0_saucy.html
[16:52] <Riddell> hmm bug 1257760 not good
[17:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: should be fixed no?
[17:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: FWIW libkolab also has bugs where you installed header files with the lib
[20:57] <soee> someone put saucy 4.12 to build ?
[20:58] <Peace-> ? http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/LiMux.html
[21:04] <genii> BTW 4.12 is working nicely here so far.
[21:11] <soee> genii: trusty ?
[21:12] <genii> soee: Yep
[21:18] <soee> how we will get it for saucy soon :)
[21:18] <soee> *hope