[02:39] It just hit me, how am I going to submit this libqapt change upstream once I'm done with it? [02:39] Isn't JonT the maintainer? [03:16] Tonio: Howdy [03:27] So quiet tonight. [05:30] manchicken1: submit to reviewboard? [05:30] Riddell: the blueprint has no action items or nothing approved such. modified a bit. [05:31] Riddell: for Qt 5.2, as soon as there are no build failures against it (https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2/+packages), bugs have been fixed (https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.tag=qt5.2) and then image built that gives as good results as the current archive versions (http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/trusty/touch/) - so it might be a while [05:32] valorie: That's what the kde-devel people suggested. [05:33] debfx: I think the qt4-default libqt4-dev was a workaround to be able to install qt4-default and qdbus without pulling in dev files. but actually what should be done is syncing with Debian since they have a fallback configuration for qtchooser which should (if I understand correctly) also help the KDE's case of using qdbus without any qt4-default or such [05:34] and without the current hardcoding of PATH inside KDE which seemed a bit ugly and has caused a bit of trouble to KDE/Ubuntu people wanting to use Qt 5 from command line === mikhas_ is now known as mikhas [07:19] good morning [09:31] can we use Jupiter in kubuntu - is it compatible [09:32] i have been using this Jupiter (for power optimisation) in Ubuntu 10.04 & 12.10 [09:32] i have installed Jupiter in Kubuntu 12.10 - it has installed - but not opening [09:32] calmsiva: is it in the repositories? [09:33] > valorie : not checked [09:33] $ apt-cache search jupiter [09:33] ttf-aenigma - 465 free TrueType fonts by Brian Kent [09:33] z88dk - Z80 processor assembler and SmallC+ cross compiler [09:33] one of those two? [09:33] but before too I have downloaded Jupiter - PPA - and have used it successfully in Ubuntu 10.04 & 12.04 [09:33] * valorie has never heard of jupiter [09:33] !info jupiter [09:34] Package jupiter does not exist in saucy [09:34] ok [09:34] so it is not packaged [09:34] > valorie - Jupiter got installed in Kubuntu 12.10 - but it is not opening [09:35] OK. the idea is to reduce the CPU - to Low CPU Low display - so that heat generation / radiation is minimal [09:35] for any other discussion about this, let's go to the support chan please, #kubuntu [09:36] > valorie - you mean I have to go to support chan - could you please suggest [09:36] how do I go to #kubuntu - please guide me [09:36] this channel is for development [09:37] how do I go to #kubuntu - please guide me [09:37] just click on it -- see how it's underlined? [09:37] or type in a new line: /join #kubuntu [09:41] apachelogger: now the synaptiks stuff did not crash after wake up [09:57] morning [09:58] heh, calmsiva was asking about jupiter, and it is now being released again: http://itsfoss.com/install-jupiter-ubuntu-1304/ [09:58] I wonder if the *buntu guys will package it [09:59] also I just found out that Debconf is coming to me this next summer: http://debconf14.debconf.org/ [10:14] nerd fest as nim would call it :) [11:00] apachelogger: woke up again without crashing [11:02] kubotu: newversion artikulate 0.2.0 [11:02] Package artikulate doesn't exist yet! [11:02] hmm [11:28] what is artikulate? [11:28] Description: Language learning application [11:29] sadly using the secondworst kde naming scheme possible of replacing c with k [11:30] lol [11:31] kartikulate would be the worst naming scheme? ;) [11:32] debfx: ++ [11:32] debfx: lol, but I thought artikulate was just named artikulate. [11:32] what would it take to shoot the KDE naming convention in the head? [11:33] mikhas: a bigger gun than you have... [11:33] hm :-( [11:33] do new apps/projects still follow it? [11:33] mikhas: only if the person who is writing it is weird :P [11:34] lol [11:34] well then, luckily that doesn't apply to *any* of us, right? right? [11:38] hi unicodesnowman [11:38] hello! [11:39] mikhas: hey I started possibly the first kde app without a stupid k name in umbrello [11:39] and I fixed the capitalisation of aKademy [11:39] sadly I couldn't come up with anything better than kubuntu when that time came [11:40] did KDE originally start off as being Kool Desktop Enviroment? :3 [11:41] that name will stick with you forever … forever! [11:42] please dont tell me it was one aKaDEmy … [11:42] I dont think I wanna know [11:42] shh, don't give anyone that idea... [11:43] Riddell: have you seen my task? [11:44] GNOME stood for GNU Network Object Model Enviroment. the more you know :P [11:44] and GUADEC claims to be for users *and* devs [11:44] only that GNOME has no users =p [11:44] unicodesnowman: ooh you packaged cutepaste? where can we find that? [11:45] I always what a Network Object Model Enviroment was [11:45] unicodesnowman, actually, I just recently proposed to adopt a Gnome as a mascot for GNOME, the GNOME gnome. [11:45] mikhas: harsh! I even met someone last night who said he liked Gnome 3 [11:45] Riddell, Corba [11:45] here, https://launchpad.net/~utf8snowman/+archive/cutepaste mikhas lol! [11:45] Riddell, of course -- everyone likes the project they work on [11:46] I know two GNOME fangirls in your city even [11:46] I think that app is a prime example of Qt overuse syndrome :) [11:47] I think our communities are really good at coming up with bad names [11:47] that's the one thing Apple cant copy from us, ha! [11:49] uh, mobileme [11:50] why isn't your nick ☃ anyway … [11:50] so confusing! [11:50] freenode is racist against snowmans. ☃snowman Erroneous Nickname [11:50] ok, to be honest if they allowed unicode people can squat with lookalike characters. [11:51] you could just go with U+2603 and everyone would accept and love you [11:51] and we could write smart IRC clients that would parse such nicks [11:51] think of emoticons [11:52] or instead of making a new irc client create a new end to end encrypted decentralized protocol :) [11:52] I am full of bad ideas today [11:52] (my planned future project) [11:52] see, that's why no one loves you [11:52] whee http://pastebin.kde.org/p73wtlp5f [11:53] unicodesnowman: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, libqt5core5 [11:53] hahahahahaha [11:53] unicodesnowman: no need for that final libqt5core5 it gets picked up by the automatic shlibs bit [11:54] ah, that's quite nice! [11:54] <3 debhelper [11:55] Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9.0.0), cmake, qtdeclarative5-dev [11:55] does it really use qtdeclarative5-dev ? [11:56] hmm, might be overkill [11:57] I think it just needs qt5core and qt5tests [11:58] oh and qt5network [11:58] but you can use pbuilder to check for sure [12:00] sorry but how'd I do that with pbuilder? [12:02] unicodesnowman: pbuilder --create --distribution trusty [12:02] pbuilder --build foo.dsc [12:02] (I think,do double check) [12:03] that'll create a contained chroot set up each time you build so if there's a build-dep missing it'll break the compile [12:03] oh, so I'll still have to try and install/remove deps to figure out what's actually needed? [12:03] unicodesnowman: commented on google melange [12:03] unicodesnowman: yeah [12:04] ok, brb [12:04] Blizzz: maybe it was fixed after all ;) [12:04] Blizzz: there is definitely another odd crash though, see comment on the bug report [12:04] * apachelogger begins to suspect that this may be a race condition with udev or something [12:08] might be [12:08] i keep this thing running, if the crash turns up i will let you know [12:09] apachelogger: ^ [12:12] Blizzz: ok, regular plug events don't crash though? [12:13] apachelogger: no [12:14] ok, that bug is fixed then please comment on the report [12:16] yay for distro hopping and swapping gpg keys around :P [12:18] Riddell: I uploaded ~ppa2 which fixed Build-Depends and Depends, and commented what I found on the bugs. the redshift plasma widget just got packaged! [12:19] couldn't actually get redshift to work, gave me a segfault :( [12:19] Quintasan: did you get any segfault with that? [12:19] Riddell: Not on saucy [12:20] on saucy too [12:20] https://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?59047-Redshift-isn-t-working [12:21] apachelogger: are you running trusty ? [12:22] Quintasan: did the redshift binaries get rejected? they haven't appeared in the archive or New queue [12:22] Riddell: Are we talking about plasmoid or the daemon itself? [12:23] Quintasan: umm, are there two source packages? [12:24] Hi all [12:24] hi BluesKaj! [12:24] Riddell: What I packaged is plasma-widget-redshit, the redshift daemon is another package [12:24] hi unicodesnowman [12:24] The problem that unicodesnowman is talking about is a problem with the daemon itself [12:25] And it should get reported and fixed [12:25] Thing is that I got it working yesterday and apachelogger also did [12:26] hm [12:26] it obviously breaks with some user data or something, surprised it's not reported even through there's a lot of reports. I'll report it now [12:26] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/redshift/+bug/868904 [12:26] redshift (binary) must be called with arguments or it asserts out [12:26] Ubuntu bug 868904 in Redshift "Redshift fails to start with session due to geoclue failure" [High,Confirmed] [12:27] or maybe [12:27] https://bugs.launchpad.net/redshift/+bug/806364 [12:27] Ubuntu bug 806364 in Redshift "segfault/assertion fail on Ubuntu 10.10/amd64 redshift 1.7" [Undecided,Fix released] [12:27] But that apparently got fixed [12:27] ^ neihter IMO [12:27] hm [12:27] the plasmoid starts redshift [12:27] this one [12:27] https://bugs.launchpad.net/redshift/+bug/1090629 [12:27] Ubuntu bug 1090629 in Redshift "Segfault on Kubuntu 12.10" [Undecided,Fix released] [12:27] i.e. what I did was build the plasmoid -> install redshift -> add plasmoid -> worked [12:28] Argh this is giving me a headache [12:28] well [12:28] glib software [12:28] .... [12:28] * unicodesnowman wonders why he didn't do drupal for GCI, now there's only 2 contestants lol :) [12:28] what did you expect :P [12:28] unicodesnowman: install geoclue and geoclue-hostip [12:28] and see if it works [12:29] unicodesnowman: and the bug you linked apparently got fixed too [12:29] unicodesnowman: trusy, saucy or raring? [12:29] works now after geoclue geoclue + geoclue-hostip. saucy [12:32] Quintasan: fancy uploading it with those added as deps? [12:32] Riddell: I think I can [12:32] unicodesnowman: Can you report a bug against redshift package? [12:34] left a comment here https://bugs.launchpad.net/redshift/+bug/1090629 [12:34] Ubuntu bug 1090629 in Redshift "Segfault on Kubuntu 12.10" [Undecided,Fix released] [12:34] uh [12:34] It's fixed in trusty [12:34] 15 Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}, geoclue-hostip [12:35] sorted then [12:35] although doesn't explain why the -proposed to -updates migration can't see the .debs [12:36] unicodesnowman: those build-deps are wrong [12:36] Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 9.0.0), cmake, qt5core, qt5tests, qt5network [12:36] unicodesnowman: I wanted you to file a bug against the package in Ubuntu, not the project itself. [12:36] should be whatever -dev packages for them [12:37] qtbase5-dev may well provide them all I'm not sure [12:38] oh yeah [12:38] unicodesnowman: Well, anyways it got sorted out in trusty. [12:38] I think this deserves an SRU [12:38] hey guys [12:38] I need some help [12:38] anyone know how i can get my network connection to work in kubuntu? [12:39] everytime I try to run blender or k3d nothing happens [12:39] blender starts loading and then the mini icon next the pointer disappears [12:39] haroldbethwelsh, alaa: user support in #kubuntu [12:39] haroldbethwelsh, alaa: Support is at #kubuntu [12:39] k3d shows me a startup menu, and starts loading then stops [12:40] oh sorry [12:40] no one answers me there [12:40] #kubuntu [12:40] alaa: Well, I can't see you asking your question there in the past 5 hours [12:41] true, but I've been asking this question for nearly a week now [12:41] and no one seems to help at all [12:41] I even messaged the user in the menu at the top and nothing happened [12:42] alaa: have you tried http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/kubuntu [12:42] and this is the one thing that is driving me mad [12:42] no. I will try. Thanks anyway [12:46] there's also a kubuntu-users mailing list [12:46] if it's not running from the GUI try it from the command line and see what happens [12:49] yay, ~ppa3 successfully built .. but not published yet. [12:56] Riddell: http://pastebin.kde.org/pa4zcafml :) [13:00] unicodesnowman: how do you get it to paste conent from a command line rather than a file? [13:01] Riddell: echo "hello" | cutepaste [13:01] oh I see just not give it any arguments [13:01] see the man page for some advanced uses :P [13:01] hmm I may end up using this a lot [13:02] hm, wonder if you can script a keyboard shortcut to rapidly pastebin [13:05] klipper used to have a pastebin built in but not now it seems [13:12] also, if it's all ok, please mark the task as complete :) [13:14] hang on.. looking [13:15] unicodesnowman: uploaded to archive! [13:17] "Congratulations, this task has been completed successfully." [13:17] Wait, does that mean it's now included ? [13:18] unicodesnowman: not quite, it needs to got through New review which means an archive admin needs to check it for a valid licence etc [13:19] unicodesnowman: then it needs to go build then it needs to go through New review again for the .deb files to be checked for sanity [13:19] ah, well it's under LGPL2.1+ and I've marked it correctly, etc, but I feel kinda awesome. thanks! [13:19] then it'll be in ubuntu trusty and anyone with trusty can install it [13:20] also, could I inquire about the http://wire.kubuntu.org/ task? not sure how well it'll work if it takes 10 days [13:20] as you can only work on one task at a time [13:20] unicodesnowman: it only takes 10 days because I want them spread out [13:20] oh hmm [13:20] didn't realise that [13:20] then maybe I'll just make it shorter and assume they'll get posted [13:21] you could put cutepaste into kubuntu-ppa/backports if you think it's useful to people with 13.10/saucy [13:22] hmm I can't change the time on the task [13:23] unicodesnowman: but it's just write half a dozen blog posts on topics to pimp kubuntu (I already have about five here) [13:25] what about writing the articles, marking the task as closed and then posting it spread out? [13:25] unicodesnowman: yes that's all good [13:26] post 1 and write another 5 to complete, then just post them in your own time [13:27] ok, cool, I claimed it! Please let me create an wp account for http://wire.kubuntu.org/ [13:28] do you want blog posts like "What's new in Kubuntu Trusty?" [13:29] unicodesnowman: my ideas http://pastebin.kde.org/px5kvoktr [13:29] a paragraph or two about those blog posts or those projects and a pretty picture to go with them [13:30] hmm, as in write something similar in scope to those, or summarize / add blurb and "reblog" it? [13:30] oh, ok [13:31] summarize / add blurb and link it [13:31] "here's a nice blog post I found which talks about x and y" [13:31] "ERROR: This username is invalid because it uses illegal characters. Please enter a valid username." wordpress no like snowmen either [13:32] unicodesnowman: ok you should have an e-mail with account details [13:35] shadeslayer: uh oh, kolab broke kdepim-runtime? [13:35] /usr/bin/ld: warning: libkolabxml.so.0, needed by /usr/lib/libkolab.so.0.4.1, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link) [13:35] /usr/lib/libkolab.so.0.4.1: undefined reference to `Kolab::Contact::setEmailAddresses(std::vector > const&, int)' [13:35] in ninjas [13:36] thanks, got it! [13:52] $ ldd /usr/lib/libkolab.so.0.4.1 | grep found [13:52] libkolabxml.so.0 => not found [13:52] that's kind of weird, no? [13:52] Riddell: ↑↑ [13:59] Riddell: What do you think about http://wire.kubuntu.org/?p=86 ? [14:14] * unicodesnowman needs sleep, night everyone. [14:18] tsdgeos: hmm yes it is [14:19] shadeslayer: what broke in libkolabxml? [14:19] the thing is [14:19] nothing [14:19] ignore "the thing is" :D [14:20] it should be libkolabxml1 now [14:20] ah yes [14:20] right [14:20] which is /usr/lib/libkolabxml.so.1 [14:20] not libkolabxml [14:20] so you need a rebuild? [14:21] kdepim-runtime build it failing now in the 4.12 testing archive (kubuntu-ninjas) just trying it locally now to see if I can work out what's up [14:21] well [14:21] it failed becaue of that [14:22] i can tell you because the same happened here locally ;-) [14:22] so you need to rebuild libkolab0 so that it wants libkolabxml.so.1 instead of libkolabxml.so.0 [14:22] and then all be fine and dandy [14:23] ah right, libkolab [14:24] needs updated to 0.5.0 [14:26] * Riddell makes it sew [14:33] could it be possible that the kwin appmenu button is broken in 14.04? everytime i enable it i cant use kate, akregator, kmail, ktp, kate and some other apps anymore. they just freez right after the start [14:35] Riddell: libkolab needs to be rebuilt against libkoalbxml , they also have a new release [14:36] but it's heavily patched and I was looking at it after I uploaded libkolabxml [14:41] looking at it now [14:43] cool thx [14:45] Fa_1: what is it? [15:03] thanks to all involved in kdevelop packaging :) [15:09] Blizzz: I think the main people to thank will be kdevelop upstream :) === scotty is now known as Guest97602 [15:10] Riddell: true [15:18] why is it every time i install kbuntu 13.10 that about a month later i can mot update or install programs it tells me to debug ut that crashes to why [15:22] Guest97602, you to upgrade more often than that [15:22] need to [15:43] Riddell: it's a (application-)menu botton in the windowdecoration. you can enable it in your systemsettings - application appearance - style - finetuning. works great in in 13.04 and 13.10 but seems to breake the most things in 14.04 right now [16:21] hey guys, can someone explain what do the colors of the bugs on kde.bugs.org mean ? i.e. green/orange/red/gray [16:33] FlowRiser: nope, can you give an example? [16:38] groovy, 4.12 is about done in trusty [16:38] needs uploaded to saucy and precise and l10n done [16:39] ;o [16:39] am i missed something? [16:40] nah someone lied to me :) http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.12.0_saucy.html [16:52] hmm bug 1257760 not good [16:52] bug 1257760 in lightdm-kde (Ubuntu) "Lightdm doesn't launch Plasma on Kubuntu Trusty anymore" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1257760 === ronnoc_ is now known as ronnoc [17:07] Riddell: should be fixed no? [17:09] Riddell: FWIW libkolab also has bugs where you installed header files with the lib === lordieva1er is now known as lordievader [20:57] someone put saucy 4.12 to build ? [20:58] ? http://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/LiMux.html === genii_ is now known as genii [21:04] BTW 4.12 is working nicely here so far. [21:11] genii: trusty ? [21:12] soee: Yep [21:18] how we will get it for saucy soon :) [21:18] *hope