[18:22] <BobJonkman> Hey, who's coming to Ubuntu Hour Toronto tomorrow?
[20:31] <genii> If anyone sees Aruna, let him know I'll be there tomorrow ( although I just also fired off a confirmation to the mailing list )
[21:04] <BobJonkman> Yay genii!
[21:04] <BobJonkman> You'll be able to slide over an honest-to-goodness, atoms-and-molecules coffee!
[21:04] <genii> BobJonkman: Hah, hellos! Are you coming down for this?
[21:05] <BobJonkman> Yup! Trekking through to snow to the big smoke
[21:05] <BobJonkman> did you register on the LoCo portal?
[21:05] <genii> Cool. I have an Ukranian fellow I met recently who is pretty gung-ho and wants to come.... No, didn't register yet, probably should...
[21:06] <BobJonkman> So just based on promises alone, this looks to be pretty successful
[21:09] <genii> OK, signed up there now :)
[21:10] <genii> Including you +2, me +1 and Aruna, we should have at least 6....
[21:11] <BobJonkman> azend said something about coming too
[21:11] <BobJonkman> I'm offering a ride. Hey, azend, you there?
[21:12] <azend> helloo
[21:12] <azend> Was it this saturday or sunday?
[21:12] <BobJonkman> Saturday, tomorrow
[21:12] <genii> Saturday, 2pm
[21:12] <BobJonkman> 2:00pm,
[21:12] <BobJonkman> I'm leaving here at noon, be in Guelph about noon:30
[21:13] <BobJonkman> We (me, Laurel, slayah) are planning to getting dinner in TO
[21:13] <BobJonkman> Hopefully to be accompanied by Ubuntoids
[21:13] <azend> Sounds like fun
[21:14] <azend> Let me double check with my parents
[21:14] <BobJonkman> Make them come too
[21:14] <genii> Hehe
[21:14] <azend> Just in case my parents have decided it's time to see the grandparents again
[21:14] <azend> BobJonkman: hehe
[21:15] <azend> So my mother is thinking about learning SQL
[21:15] <azend> Any Oracle DBAs around? :)
[21:16] <BobJonkman> You'll want an IBMmer.  DB2 rulez
[21:18] <azend> :P
[21:19] <azend> I've done a good amount of database stuff but I've never touched oracle
[21:19] <BobJonkman> SQL is independent of Oracle. Lots of DBs use SQL, even MS-Access
[21:20] <azend> Yes, SQL is just a spec
[21:20] <azend> The problem is that nobody follows the spec properly
[21:20] <azend> So every rdbms works a little bit differently
[21:21] <BobJonkman> I believe IBM invented SQL for DB2, before Larry Ellison was even born
[21:22] <BobJonkman> OK, maybe not. Wikipedia sez Ellison b.1944, DB2 released 1983
[21:22] <BobJonkman> That seems too recent to me.
[21:22] <azend> DB2 is ten years older than I am >_>
[21:23] <BobJonkman> SQL developed at IBM for their RBase system in 1970.  That's a better timeframe
[21:24] <genii> I just sent off invites to about 10-12 people so I guess we'll see if any show.
[21:24] <BobJonkman> Oops. /me confuses R:BASE with IBM's System R
[21:27] <azend> genii: Will you judge me if I bring a mac :P
[21:28] <genii> azend: Of course, but gently!
[21:28] <azend> I should bring a live usb with arch on it and set it up on my netbook while I"m there
[21:28] <azend> I just installed a new hyperx ssd in my netbook but haven't gotten the chance to install an os yet
[21:29] <genii> azend: Actually, I try not to get judgemental about what hardware or OS people prefer, it's what works best for them that is the main thing.
[21:32] <azend> That's cool
[21:33] <BobJonkman> Apple HW is lovely. I'd be happy with it, as long as I can use the SW (and OS) I want
[21:33] <azend> Yeah, the hw is pretty nice
[21:34] <azend> I'm still disgusted with the software though :)
[21:35] <BobJonkman> azend: Does your mac have two drive bays?
[21:35] <azend> like disk or hard drive?
[21:36] <BobJonkman> Yup
[21:36] <azend> I have no optical disk tray
[21:37] <azend> I basically have no hard disk tray
[21:37] <azend> It's a custom ssd that is specially mounted
[21:37] <BobJonkman> My current laptop has only one 3.5" SATA drive bay, and something it calls a Removable Upgrade Bay (that's DVD to you and me)
[21:37] <azend> cool
[21:37] <genii> If anyone likes old Macs I have two Molar Mac AIO free to a good home
[21:38] <BobJonkman> genii Post it on the list, or ping FreeGeek
[21:38] <genii> Okeley Dokely :)
[21:38] <azend> genii: I think I know some people who would take you up on that just for the history of it
[21:39] <genii> azend: They are currently running Some older MacOS, I think 7.5 or maybe 8.1, was going to tinker with Yellow Dog Linux on them but never got around to it
[21:42] <samthetechie> o/
[21:44] <BobJonkman> Just invited the folks on irc://oftc.net/#cryptoparty
[21:44] <BobJonkman> Hi samthetechie!
[21:45] <BobJonkman> aruna has a new GnuPG key, so we're going to be holding an informal keysigning
[21:45] <BobJonkman> Bring along your fingerprint strips!
[21:46]  * genii ponders monkeyspheres
[21:46] <BobJonkman> I use gpg-key2ps from http://pgp-tools.alioth.debian.org to print fingerprint strips
[21:46] <samthetechie> hehe have you seen: http://web.monkeysphere.info/monkeysign/
[21:47] <BobJonkman> Monkeysign looks cool!
[21:48] <genii> samthetechie: Yes, I have been looking at alternate key/cert trust systems lately, actually. Some of the guys I'm working on little projects with are Symantec-haters
[21:49] <genii> ( so that includes pgp.com and verisign, they own both now )
[21:51] <BobJonkman> But GnuPG is independent of Symantec, isn't it?
[21:52] <BobJonkman> Same keyspace/WoT as PGP, but entirely different software
[21:53] <genii> Yes, GnuPG is an open source implementation of OpenPGP standard
[21:53] <genii> ( whereas the Symantec PGP products are commercial )
[21:55]  * BobJonkman didn't realize PGP had been acquired by Symantec.
[21:55] <BobJonkman> I knew it had been part of McAfee, and re-gained independence
[21:57] <genii> BobJonkman: Yeah, and then they got real pissy about pulling formerly free downloads of the PGP software and going after anyone who still offered them
[21:59] <BobJonkman> Didn't know that. /me has been in the Free Software world too long :)
[22:06]  * genii shakes a fist in the general direction of Symantec HQ
[23:42] <BobJonkman> Hi aruna_
[23:43] <BobJonkman> Looks like there will be good turnout for Ubuntu Hour Toronto
[23:46] <azend> BobJonkman: do I have your phone number?
[23:46] <BobJonkman> +1-519-635-9413
[23:46] <azend> You could have PMed me it :)
[23:46] <BobJonkman> I grabbed yours from the Interwebs
[23:46] <azend> Yeah, I'm pretty easily findable
[23:47] <azend> Which one did you find?
[23:47] <BobJonkman> Sure I could have PMd it, but now people will call me and offer me work :)
[23:47] <BobJonkman> I found it on azend.org
[23:48] <azend> yeah, I think that one is old
[23:48] <azend> You're better off trying +1-226-606-5050
[23:48] <BobJonkman> OK, I'll put that in my phone.
[23:48] <azend> The one on azend.org is my Rogers phone
[23:49] <azend> the one I just gave you is my WIND setup
[23:49] <azend> BobJonkman: Is the job pool still running dry?
[23:49] <BobJonkman> Little jobs, nothing sustainable.
[23:50] <azend> Ah, that sucks
[23:50] <azend> What are you looking for?
[23:51] <BobJonkman> Just did a WordPress recovery (DB hacking), but I'll take anything from network cabling to sysadmin to teaching
[23:52] <azend> Are you willing to make the TO commute?
[23:52] <BobJonkman> Yup.
[23:52] <azend> Hmm.
[23:52] <BobJonkman> Did that for years, 'til I got a contract in Mississauga.
[23:52] <azend> I'll see what I can do :)
[23:52] <BobJonkman> That'd be great!
[23:53] <BobJonkman> So, you in for Ubuntu Hour tomorrow?
[23:54] <azend> If I'm awake, yes
[23:54] <azend> I basically haven't slept in the last week and a half
[23:54] <azend> School is crazy right now
[23:54] <BobJonkman> :) Yes, that's a prerequisite for me driving, too
[23:54] <BobJonkman> Exams, I'll bet
[23:54] <azend> exams are the easy part
[23:55] <azend> My program works us 80 hours a week average
[23:55] <BobJonkman> Coop terms?
[23:55] <azend> and for some reason our professors decided it would be a good idea to base 55% of the mark on one of our classes on deliverables due the last week of class
[23:56] <azend> deliverables you're only expected to have at most a week to complete
[23:56] <azend> BobJonkman: no, that's regular class
[23:56] <BobJonkman> Wow.
[23:56] <BobJonkman> Two-year program?
[23:57] <azend> Why do you think I feel so terrible about dropping the ball on Ubuntu Guelph events
[23:57] <azend> no
[23:57] <azend> three year
[23:57] <BobJonkman> You should pass the baton to John Kerr, who might run with it
[23:57] <azend> I was thinking about it
[23:58] <BobJonkman> Just post to the Guelph list that you're swamped, and would like someone else to host
[23:58] <azend> Does he come on the IRC much?
[23:58] <BobJonkman> No, not often. He's on Google+ a lot though
[23:58] <azend> I bumped into his profile on LinkedIn the other day