[09:34] <DJones> I've just hilighted the spam/botnet thats just hit #u to gheraint via pm a s aheads up in case they hit other freenode channels
[09:44] <DJones> History of it as far as I can see http://pastebin.com/9V6a2c1i
[14:19] <Pici> odd
[14:20] <ikonia> you know he's going to be a problem
[14:21] <ikonia> imghost: hello
[14:22] <imghost> can you please tell me a procedure to file a bug please its a request, i did ask in ubuntu but seems like i was ignored
[14:22] <ikonia> !bug | imghost
[14:23] <imghost> ikonia, thankyou :), one more question can i ask them to release pwm-cabable sensor modules for hp-pavilion?
[14:24] <ikonia> you can make a request, but there is no promise it will happen
[14:24] <imghost> ikonia, ok, exit
[14:25] <ikonia> hello Mark_de_J
[14:25] <Mark_de_J> Hi.
[14:25] <ikonia> how can we help you ?
[14:26] <Mark_de_J> I can talk not @ Ubuntu?
[14:26] <Mark_de_J> <Mark_de_J> hey
[14:26] <Mark_de_J> * #ubuntu :Cannot send to channel
[14:26] <ikonia> Mark_de_J: correct, as you just flooded the channel
[14:26] <ikonia> I'll remove mute for you shortly
[14:26] <Mark_de_J> Sorry. :P
[14:26] <Mark_de_J> Didnt know
[14:27] <Mark_de_J> :'(
[14:27] <ikonia> I've removed the mute for you now
[14:27] <ikonia> Mark_de_J: if you don't need anything else, can you please /part this channel
[14:27] <Mark_de_J> Ok, thanks.
[14:27] <Mark_de_J> Bye!
[14:51] <Pici> chrome is offtopic?
[14:52] <ikonia> don't see why if you're trying to get it working on ubuntu
[14:53] <DJones> Isn't Chrome from a ppa though, therefore, strictly people could argue that its offtopic in the same way as !ppa points out that they're unsupported
[14:54] <ikonia> if it's from a ppa - don't support it, but no harm in saying it's available
[14:54] <DJones> Thats probably more what the comment was aimed at
[14:55] <LjL> maybe people could argue that, but just declaring it is offtopic? seriously, this "ppas are bad and shouldn't be used by anyone ever" thing has never really been agreed upon by even a majority of us, i think
[14:56] <LjL> i, for one, find that app-store mentality nonsense
[14:56] <ikonia> I find pretty much anything outside the main repos nonsense at the moment
[14:56] <ikonia> (from ubuntu and people building for ubuntu)
[14:57] <LjL> right, so only use what we decide to put in, even mentioning something else is unacceptable
[14:57] <LjL> way to go
[14:57] <Pici> I have no problem suggesting PPAs as long as the user is aware that we can't really provide support after the install is doe.
[14:57] <Pici> *done
[14:57] <ikonia> LjL: I didn't say that at all
[14:57] <ikonia> I often make people aware of PPA's but recommend against using it
[14:58] <LjL> well phunyguy basically did, and you seem to be saying anything not in the repos is nonsense, and i'm pretty sure that's not the case because a lot of software that i use is quite certainly not available in the repositories
[14:58] <ikonia> "I" find it
[15:02] <phunyguy> May I interject?
[15:02] <ikonia> sorry phunyguy didn't see you there,
[15:02] <ikonia> wasn't trying to speak fro you
[15:02] <phunyguy> (I got highlighted.. ;) )
[15:03] <phunyguy> I apologize if I used a poor choice of words.  My stance is, why recommend something if the result of it will be an unsupported install?
[15:06] <IdleOne> I think what we need start doing more is to give people the help they need, but also let them know that the channel may not be able to help them later. recommending Chrome is not a bad thing (I use it, works well). Just make sure you tell me that I won't be able to get more help later in #ubuntu.
[15:06] <Pici> Because thats what the users want? And its not like we forbid support the moment that we learn that someone has an unrelated ppa installed.
[15:07] <phunyguy> ok.  I will file that nugget away.
[15:07]  * phunyguy goes back to lurk mode.
[15:08] <IdleOne> It might take a little longer to explain to the user, but what is the rush anyway? not like we get paid per answer. Might as well take our time and explain stuff clearly :)
[16:13] <Pici> bazhang: ping
[16:29] <bazhang> Pici, hi
[16:48] <Pici> bazhang: Do you know why #ubuntu-ru is +r ?
[16:48] <bazhang> no idea Pici
[16:48] <Pici> oh
[16:49] <ikonia> maybe because they get a lot of trouble from hit and run guys if #ubuntu is anything to go by
[16:52] <Pici> bazhang: Well.. we were talking about it in -irc, and suggested that maybe they setup a forward to a channel that explains that they need to register.
[16:52] <Pici> Its very difficult to tell people to join #ubuntu-ru if we can't communicate and we need to show them how to register.
[16:52] <Myrtti> +r has been there since time immemorial
[16:52] <ikonia> could we not just update our factoid
[16:53] <ikonia> make it clear they need to register, or point them at a webpage explaining it rather than setting up another channel
[16:53] <Pici> Myrtti: oh.
[16:53] <Myrtti> ie. I remember having this discussion many times
[16:54] <Myrtti> it's not a new development, it's been there for years.
[16:56] <IdleOne> ikonia: updating the factoid to include reg. instructions would only cause the user to issue another !factoid in #ubuntu (probably adding to his confusion?)
[16:56] <IdleOne> IMHO
[16:57] <Pici> Maybe a URL with instructions then?
[16:57] <Pici> in russian
[16:57] <IdleOne> that would be better yeah
[16:58] <IdleOne> maybe someone could translate/create the wiki at !register into russian?
[16:58] <IdleOne> !register