[00:11] this seems odd [00:12] 10.04.4 server - fully dist-upgrade'd runs 2.6.32-50-generic-pae, but just installed linux-headers-2.6.32-54 [00:12] is that normal? [02:12] anyone familiar with squid? [06:18] morning [06:18] morning [07:07] morning all === rdogg is now known as rmaster76birthof [07:38] morning everyon e [07:40] good moaning [07:40] hey MooDoo , how are you today [07:40] knightwise: not bad at all :D [07:41] its friday :) [07:41] yup, and I break up next friday, so all good. [07:42] Break up ? [07:45] for the christmas hols. [07:48] cool :) [07:48] Say , have you been playing around with 14.04 ? [07:49] no not updated to it yet, probably won't until a couple months before release. [07:51] i figure its not that stable yet huh. [07:51] Just did an upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 on my thinkpad and it kinda killed it. [07:51] knightwise: I know people that are having fun with it, but I'll wait. [07:51] So i'm thinking about a nuke and pave but i'm not sure what distro to pick [07:52] knightwise: I'm upto dated to the latest, just not next years LTS [07:55] i'm not a developer .. just a regular user but i do "need" my machine to be reliable. Thats why I stuck with 12.04 [07:55] Guess I'll go for 13.10 [07:55] thought of LMDE , but I don't like Cinamon very much [07:55] Morning all [07:55] hey diplo [07:56] hay diplo [07:57] I seem to have more issues upgrading now adays knightwise, 13.04 > 13.10 was ok though [07:57] 12.10 had issues for me [07:58] I'm on 13.10 and it's fine at the moment, but then again i surf and check emails, don't do much else lol [08:00] Same here ,but I also do some audio recording with audacity [08:00] what mainly annoys me in 12.04 is the bad support for my synaptic touchpad [08:00] I run a webserver on mine/db etc but laptop is my main machine for work [08:01] I have to reboot twice for it to work [08:05] I only have a laptop at the moment. [08:06] Its my own PC using for work, along with 3 servers downstairs that I own :) [08:07] I'm currently using ahem windows 7 as my server [08:07] * MooDoo ducks [08:08] MooDoo: .. I just had to clean out my eyes with SALT after I read that [08:08] knightwise: sorry [08:08] :) [08:13] it's easy for me with cloud backups to use their software. === msm is now known as Guest60402 [09:22] \o/ iperf giving 9.72Gb/s between VMs. its the small things that make me happy [09:24] Good morning all; happy Friday the 13th, and happy Violin Day! :-D [09:25] JamesTait: morning [09:25] do we get to be sarcastic about people's sob stories today then? [09:25] foobarry: highly i think, and I'll join you [09:26] foobarry, only if you accompany it with this: http://xkcd.com/743/ [09:26] i think the programmes where i've seen most people i actually know in real life appearing on it is 1) pointless 2) grange hill 3) blockbusters [09:28] Strictly is the only one I can think of recently. [09:28] Dancer from Sophie's dance school [09:28] no, not strictly, the other one [09:28] i'm a celbrity strictly dancing on ice factor? [09:28] yeah, something like that [09:29] http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00tqp9y/profiles/danielle-cato [09:30] my nan was an extra on auf weidersehen pet [09:38] http://now-here-this.timeout.com/2013/12/11/23-dazzling-photos-of-the-fog-enveloping-london/ [09:38] stunning [09:44] I didn't know there were cable cars in London. [09:44] yep [09:45] think i'll give it a miss [09:45] its like sim city [09:45] big wheel one year, random dome building, then a cable car [09:45] then godzilla tramples your city [09:45] just turn off disasters [09:46] its up to boris [09:46] yeah, he needs to turn off disasters [09:46] he might wanna build an airport [09:47] its funny how EDF keep banging on about low carbon energy because low carbon = nuclear [09:48] better brush that nuclear waste disposal problem under the carpet [09:48] Greenpeace used to be against nuclear power, then they realised it was the least bad solution. [09:48] oh and don't mention Fukushima or the 30km exclusion zone [09:48] I agree there's an issue with containment, but as far as viable alternatives to coal and oil burning go, it's not so bad for the environment so long as you don't let radioactive material out. [09:49] Wind and solar just don't provide enough power at concistent times of day. [09:49] *consistent [09:49] greenpeace is no longer against nukes? [09:49] when did they change their mind? [09:49] and then there's the problem that the same refinement factories can also be used to produce bombs... [09:56] good morning everyone [10:01] dwatkins, PSH deals with that issue [10:06] anyone know how to stop thunderbird giving notifications for emails outside of inbox? [10:06] if i click on my 2011 folder, i get notify osd messages for the next ten minutes [10:09] the bug i found a few days ago in android 4.4 was fixed with todays google search update. [10:10] brobostigon: did they fix it because you reported it? or just randomly? [10:10] http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/ is fun to watch [10:10] ali1234: no idea. [10:10] yeah they don't give much feedback [10:10] directhex: Pershore railway station? [10:11] i've had a patch on their gerrit for like 6 months now, no response [10:11] ali1234: ah, ohwell. [10:11] dwatkins, pumped storage hydroelectric. i.e. a big-ass battery [10:11] aha I see, yes [10:12] I NEED TO INSTALL WORDPRESS BUT I ONLY SEE WORDPRESS BLOG, IT'S URGENT FIX IT.....sigh! [10:12] MooDoo: :( [10:12] the pain [10:12] i'm currently getting "why haven't you redesigned the website yet" [10:13] because i'm not a web designer, i'm a sysadmin :( [10:13] ali1234: oh the bests ones for that are "just take all the content from microsofts site and use tht for mine, i'm sure they wouldn't mind" raaaaaaa [10:13] I had someone complain about our support system sending out e-mails every time I do something with their ticket. [10:13] ali1234: we're not the only ones - http://clientsfromhell.net/ [10:14] a simple fact of not being able to remove widgets/icons in landscape, but could in portrait. [10:28] Back [10:28] wb [10:29] * brobostigon installs cover beta on his phone, [10:30] hey brobostigon [10:35] I just got called into my boss' office because I had sent out a "Keep Calm and Kill Him" image to one of my co-workers regarding the fact he should switch of a foreign laptop that was connected to our network [10:36] boss thought I was gonna loose it and come in with a gun at work [10:36] ... Noobs .. They don't speak our language [10:36] or maybe they thought it was unprofessonial? [10:37] so, your boss was going to shoot you? [10:37] foobarry: probably. But being in charge of an IT dept and being technically incompetent is also unprofessional [10:37] lol [10:38] at least your SAN cluster hasn't just gonw down :( [10:38] i hate oracle/sun === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:51] ali1234: slap bootstrap on it, done [10:51] profit [10:53] i don't even understand what that is [10:53] it looks like a templating language, with no backend [10:53] so you can programmatically create static websites? [10:54] i don't even understand it at all [10:56] well no, it's just a template for whatever you put it on [10:56] I've got it on CMS made simple, but it's not that difficult to slap it on any content management [10:57] interesting [10:57] i might actually do that [11:01] Morning all === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [11:24] Good morning peeps :) [11:25] morning davmor2 bigcalm [11:42] apparently it takes a lone 20 year old to explain why windows 8 sucks - and propose how to fix it. http://jay-machalani.squarespace.com/blog/2013/12/12/fixing-windows-8 [11:44] ah let people moan about windows 8, i like it [11:45] windows 8 is its own worst enemy [11:45] I like it and use it lots [11:45] so he has something like the dash, but called up from bottom left rather than top left [11:46] and with richer content than the dash [11:48] AlanBell, remember Slab? [11:49] http://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/gnome-slab.png [11:50] directhex: interesting, that looks quite useable [11:53] Looks like windows rejigged [11:54] directhex: that... that actually looks good [11:54] which is what people wanted, something a little bit better than XP === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [11:56] MS know that people prefer win7, they just don't wanna give it [11:56] that was in Ubuntu for a little bit I think [11:56] 'gnome-main-menu', unless that was something else [11:56] Laney, yes [11:57] xubuntu 14.04 is looking at whiskermenu by default (which is basically the same as that) [11:57] http://gottcode.org/xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin/screenshots/whiskermenu.png [11:57] heh [11:57] is that a fork of g-m-m? [11:59] i doubt it [11:59] err, that's a clone of windows 7's start menu isn't it? [11:59] I don't get the idea that we should be cloning windows [11:59] yes, as in g-m-m pretty much [12:00] canonical get it [12:00] do something unique [12:00] "copy apple!" [12:00] diddledan: I like the way win7 works [12:00] make a USP [12:00] I don't mind unity [12:00] or, more like "quick, find someone doing something unique, and then copy them!" [12:00] I like windows 8, I like windows 7 and I like ubuntu+unity [12:01] they're all different [12:01] they don't _need_ to be the same [12:01] Not a liker of 8 myself, but everyone to their own [12:01] windows 7 isn't actually all that different from unity [12:02] well, depending on how windows 7 is configured that is [12:03] :) === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:31] i defintely removed all my digg acounts [12:31] so why the emails from them? [12:33] havn't used digg for many years [12:34] it wasn't the same when diggnation stopped [12:47] diggnation was just drunk people programme? [12:47] they had consumed too many before the show, it was intolerable [12:48] although i am prejudiced against drunk american jocks === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:26] Anybody know of an easy way to compare the records of a table in one database with the same table in another database? [14:27] dump and diff [14:27] can't you use checksum ? [14:27] MooDoo: that would only tell me if things are different, not what those differences where [14:28] popey: yeah, I was thinking that would be a route [14:29] bigcalm: same server? mysql? [14:29] AlanBell: two different servers, both mysql [14:29] ok [14:30] script to walk through them and compare then I guess [14:30] Joy, the mysqldump make it into one insert statement [14:30] Heh, I don't think the tables are big enough to need a script [14:33] anyone know what would cause and email to have the 'from' field set as the server name it was coming from? [14:39] czajkowski: saw this and thought of you http://imgur.com/gallery/QNNrECO === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [14:41] dogmatic69: cron? [14:42] dwatkins: possible [14:47] getting emails with php imap in a cron and one has a from as root@servername [14:48] popey lol [14:53] bigcalm: Whenever I have that issue, I copy the table I want to check against to the other server in a different table name [14:53] Easiest/quickest way I've found, and delete after [14:54] Turns out I don't need to. The data is the same, I was just looking at the wrong values :) [14:56] heh [15:12] czajkowski: fosdem'd [15:12] :> [15:13] Laney: huzzah! [15:14] you better show me the ropes [15:14] * popey wants to go to fosdem [15:27] * foobarry wants to go home [15:27] popey: I think I've found your new avatar photo ;) [15:27] popey: do it === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [15:30] can't [15:31] going to a sprint [15:31] https://wiki.supermatt.net/TV_Folder I need to stop being a digital hoarder [15:31] not sure it's wise to publicise what you torrent [15:32] you may be right [15:38] :) [15:40] a sprint at the weekend? [15:41] I guess sometimes you have to travel on the weekend :( [15:41] indeed [15:41] to florida [15:43] hah [15:43] same hotel? [15:44] no ideaa [15:44] quite liked that place on reflection [15:45] remember being bollocked for illicit night time hot tubbing [15:45] indeed [15:46] Kernel team by any chance? [15:46] nope... [15:46] the offender is in this channel [15:47] Does he like Cream Eggs? [15:47] sounds like a Daviey story [15:48] don't know, and correct [15:48] XD [15:50] anyone know if you can have a CNAME and a SRV record at the same time for a domain's 'autodiscover' record? [15:53] I don't think it should work, but I can't tell you what'd happen [15:55] apparently my clients hosted Exchange setup is being upgraded to Exchange 2013 and so requires an SRV record [15:55] but it's a bit weird the way they're: [15:55] Service: _autodiscover. [15:55] Protocol: _tcp. [15:55] the underscore beforehand seems odd [15:56] that's normal for srv records [15:56] ah ok [15:57] eg, host -t srv _xmpp-server._tcp.gmail.com [15:58] should answer with which hosts provide the xmpp-server service for gmail.com [15:58] this way I Can jabber with you@gmail.com without gmail.com having to be a xmpp server [15:59] Jabber \o/ [16:00] so for exchange you point _autodiscover._tcp.example.com at an exchange host, then when you're setting up compatible clients, you just give them user@example.com and they can track down the exchange server to ask it for the required details [16:00] shauno: so on my control panel's DNS - i've already got the CNAME of 'autodiscover' so the SRV will contain '_autodiscover' instead? [16:01] _Autodiscover should be the left-hand-side .. it's the query, not the answer [16:02] eg, in bind it'd be: _autodiscover._tcp.example.com. IN SRV exchange.example.com (or wherever your exchange host lives) [16:03] although just to make it fun, srv records arent' meant to point to cnames [16:03] *nod* so they don't clash due to the underscore at the start [16:05] it's pretty neat once you get your head around it. it's just like MX records, except you can create them for any service you can name [16:05] :) [16:05] shauno, http://api.bowlhat.net/dns/_xmpp-server._tcp.gmail.com/srv :-D [16:11] 'IN' is a weird leftover we're never going to get rid of though [16:11] I don't actually know what IN means? [16:11] internet [16:11] obvious I guess [16:12] what alternatives were envisaged? [16:12] I imagine it was a leftover from before we were born [16:14] but now every record is an 'internet' record, even when it's not. eg, the .tel domain has 'LOC' for location and 'NAPTR' that can reply with phone numbers. but they're still 'IN' records === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [16:28] well I didn't know that. apparently 'chaos' is the only alternative to 'in' still in use [16:28] - === Pendulum1 is now known as Pendulum [16:30] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6567507/ [16:36] AlanBell: have you not requested permission to use "*buntu" for the Pi project? i don't see why it wouldn't be granted. [16:45] xnox: no, not requested that [16:45] Any redistribution of modified versions of Ubuntu must be approved, certified or provided by Canonical if you are going to associate it with the Trademarks. === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [16:46] AlanBell: i guess raspeberrypi cluster cannot be located in the DC [16:46] it isn't impossible that one day it gets distributed as Ubuntu [16:47] AlanBell: why raspeberrypi cluster? as far as I know raspbian doesn't actually use raspeberrys to compile the port. it's using slightly more powerful dev boards instead. [16:47] it does [16:47] (they simply target raspiban abi) [16:47] I think you could redistribute Ubuntu, it's just that you'd have to change the logos and call it something different [16:47] AlanBell: not what i was told at Debconf-uk, maybe i miss-understood. [16:47] bashrc: exactly (though I don't actually want to change the logos) [16:48] xnox: it does use different dev boards :) [16:48] I seem to remember that there were similar trademark issues with Redhat at one time [16:49] so for crowdfunding, it makes no sense to say "we heard you like Raspberry Pi, we want to build Ubuntu for Raspberry Pi, please give us money to spend on a Calxeda box" [16:49] bashrc: which is why centos exists [16:49] http://www.canonical.com/intellectual-property-policy [16:50] more to the point, why *should* you call it ubuntu? [16:50] it isn't a big issue, I am just being fairly clear about what we are doing, and making some effort to comply with the policy by calling it something else [16:51] why give free advertising to canonical? [16:51] well part of the point is that it is a build of the Ubuntu packages [16:51] why all come from debian anyway [16:51] if I just wanted a debian-like system then I have raspbian [16:53] if it all works and is awesome and Canonical come to me begging to have the cluster and put it in their DC and distribute it as Ubuntu, then we might be open to negotiation :) [16:55] ClusterBuntu? [16:56] err, it isn't Ubuntu for clusters, and it isn't going to have *buntu in the name :) [16:57] top contender for the name (if nobody buys the still available naming rights) is LibertOS at the moment [17:02] I know it just makes me sound grumpy, but that one strikes me as a bit awkward [17:02] liber-toss - hrmm [17:05] for me, more that I'm far too used to seeing Liebert. So even knowing fine well that it's mutated from Libertus, it still lands in my head as Liebert OS [17:08] I realise that's not actually a conflict; different spellings, different fields, etc. that's just the double-take it throws at me [17:14] shauno: it isn't the perfect name, just the best I have come up with so far [17:15] oh I'm not criticising, just joining in. I'm terrible at names too [17:15] I mean, if I was involved, Ubuntu would still be called no-name-yet [17:18] mostly I'm just trying to distract myself from what I'm meant to be doing. I found out today that I get to present at a customer campus next month. My first time, and I'm not an optimist [17:18] so I'm going through my mountain of powerpoints trying to figure out if there's anything at all I can salvage [17:20] :D [17:21] AlanBell: LiberacOS - Mirror Chandler Baldwin Grand Piano release. [17:22] AlanBell: you should tweet a link to an openly editable etherpad where people can suggest their the OS name ☻ [17:22] Anybody with experience with logrotate configuration? My efforts don't appear to work [17:23] I might do, after the funding closes [17:23] bigcalm: some, what's not working? === BigRedS_ is now known as BigRedS [17:24] AlanBell: well, it could be a spur to get people talking about it, and visiting and donating [17:24] BigRedS: I don't see the original log file being moved/compressed/replaced [17:24] I'd do it before the finish [17:24] that's not actually a bad idea. "you can win this arguement for the low, low price of .." [17:25] bigcalm: do you have notifempty? [17:25] (assuming the files are empty....) [17:25] BigRedS: tbh, I copied an existing config not really looking into how it works :) [17:25] you can do logrotate --force /etc/logrotate.d/whatever to force it to try running, and avoid waiting for a new cron invocation [17:26] Oo, that's handy [17:26] (though I think that'll also not do any tests and always do the rotation) [17:26] Oh, it has worked! [17:26] and there's a switch for debug with that, too, I think. -v? or -d [17:26] It just didn't look like it had when I looked yesterday! [17:26] ah, cool [17:27] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6567800/ [17:27] Not sure about the rotate 4 bit [17:28] that's how many old ones to keep [17:28] Ah [17:28] I want it to keep forever (for now) [17:28] Disc space is cheap [17:29] I don't think there is a 'forever' but you could just stick a massive number in there... [17:29] Okay [17:29] If a log file is empty, how do I stop it creating a tarball of it? [17:30] notifempty [17:30] Ta [17:30] that'll stop it rotating it [17:32] Perfect! [17:32] * bigcalm deploys it to production [17:33] at 1732 on a friday? :( [17:34] MADNESS! [17:34] Ship it! [17:35] bigcalm: What could possibly go wrong on friday 13th at your EOD? [17:36] End of who's day? [17:36] reports in as the internet crashes due to somebody tappering with a log file [17:37] 1.6GB log file tarballed to 67MB [17:37] I'm happy [17:37] bigcalm: Yeah but you are weird in that you never actually stop working :P [17:38] Wonder if I should have it put the date/time in the file name. Then again, just look at `ls` [17:44] Heh, just talked my boss though the pros/cons of using a PPA [17:44] He's very much a Debian person and not used to Ubuntu [17:45] s/though/through/ [17:46] bigcalm: what was the outcome of your discussion? [17:47] davmor2: reassurance I think. Made him aware of the pros/cons and suggested he looked for linked activity around the maintainer's name and links to the PPA [17:50] if he knows debian that conversation should have gone like "it's exactly like using a random deb you found on the internet" [17:51] Heh === brobosti1on is now known as brobostigon [18:20] czajkowski: I think this might be an appropriate facebook group for you to join https://www.facebook.com/Dogbookapp There's lots of Pug pictures mixed in [18:40] so... ubuntu phone hardware partner. any guesses? [18:40] directhex: Blackberry or Nokia..... :) [18:41] ☻ [18:41] i have my bet. [18:41] should have a sweepstake [18:41] as long as canonical employees are banned from participation [18:42] sure [18:42] amazon [18:42] not that many know [18:42] ali1234, interesting idea. id that your official bet? [18:43] well, it's either them, or some tiny chinese company none of us has ever heard of [18:43] so sure [18:43] anyone else? [18:44] i guess dell is also a possibility [18:44] though i think if dell were going to do it, they would have agreed to it a long time ago [18:45] imagine how amazing it would be if it turned out to be microsoft [18:45] and steve ballmer came out on stage and danced in a trollface mask [18:46] hah [18:47] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHPkgIPDfcE is now my current fave song [18:47] it's telling that the reports say the device will be "high end" [18:47] especially https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHPkgIPDfcE#t=1m45s that bit onwards [18:47] "yes we drove nokia into the ground se we could buy it. but none of you guessed we only did it to troll all linux users." [18:48] i can see two possible companies. one of them i don't think anyone has suggested yet [18:48] Suggestions I've seen have been Asus (as a hardware partner of Canonical/Ubuntu), Alcatel or LG [18:49] i think oppo make devices with high end components - although not much desirability so far [18:49] and one company which has been talking about taking its (major) chinese phone business to the west: lenovo [18:50] Lenovo could be a good thought given how they have a lot of hardware certified products [20:11] If you're gullible enough to believe that Apple has built a Bitcoin mining function in Macs, this might be a page read http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/12/13/mac_bitcoin_mining_hoax/ As if.. [20:11] (As claimed on 4Chan) [20:11] gotta love 4chan [20:12] making everyone brick their new xbox was hilarious [20:12] That was funny === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [21:09] I've plugged my phone in and I can browse it in nautilus but it's not actually mounted. Is there some way I can use things like rsync on its filesystem? [21:12] BigRedS: have a look in /run/user/1000/gvfs [21:12] assuming you are uid 1000 [21:20] it used to be in ~/.gvfs [21:21] * MartijnVdS waves from somewhere near Shepherd's Bush [21:23] yeah, it doesn't seem to be in ~/.gvfs at least for mtp devices [21:24] mount point of mass storage devices moved to /media/$username as well [21:24] in the last few releases [21:35] MartijnVdS: male or female shepherd? [21:36] oh my [21:36] that was n0rty [21:36] :-p [21:36] * diddledan chants "family friendly, family friendly" [21:37] * DJones rescues diddledan, it must be a male german shepherd, if it was female, it wouldn't cock its leg on a bush [21:51] * AlanBell has a near disaster caused by a software error [21:51] I lost control of a robot arm I was controlling through python [21:51] very nearly knocked the coffee off my desk [22:00] oh god, AlanBell , the machines are rising up already?! [22:04] ls /home/alanbell/skynet/ :O [22:09] Is Ubuntu the only operating system that uses the Unity desktop? [22:11] diddledan: yeah, the main problem of course is that I tried to stop it by frantically typing stuff and not reaching over to turn it off :) [22:29] ball: by default, yes [22:33] popey: Does that mean it can be added to others? [22:34] I almost typed "otters" then. I'm tired. [22:40] perhaps it's a DE like any other, someone could package up another distro with it [22:49] Ah ok, so it's there as an option if other distributions wanted to get on-board with it. [22:58] ball: it can [22:59] i suspect unity8 will be easier for other distros to adopt [22:59] but whether they will or not.. [22:59] I think it's mostly political that other distros haven't done so or won't in the future [23:01] canonical seem to be becoming described by third-parties as a large corporate that everyone should hate [23:01] I don't like it and I don't understand the position [23:01]