[05:07] morning all [06:00] nogsteeds by die werk :( [06:01] ai! het jy nie geslaap nie? [06:01] so twee ure op die kantoor se vloer [06:02] eina. waar werk jy? [06:02] en het jy darem koffie om jou aan die gang te hou [06:02] Embedded IQ, ons is 'n klein outfit, net ses mense so partykeer moet jy maar inspring [06:02] baie koffie ja [06:03] sjoe [06:04] die ander rede is dat ek nie eintlik volgende week wil terugkom werk toe nie, so beter as ek vandag alles kan klaarkry [06:05] veels geluk [06:05] in jhb? [06:05] ja, northcliff [06:05] ah [06:05] jy? [06:05] ek is n ou ballie [06:06] lekker gelag toe jy se boetman [06:06] haha [06:06] semi disabled, en bly op n plot by my sus en haar man [06:07] my job is to be the greeter bot here [06:08] ek het nog kontak met so paar pelle wat saam my geswot het, die "naandsê boetman" groet kom van daardie dae af [06:08] hahaha [06:08] gebruik julle darem linux? [06:09] ja, ons is 'n volledige linux shop [06:09] mooi man [06:09] ohi superfly [06:09] ons het so een of twee windows lisensies vir spesiale sagteware, maar omtrent almal is op linux [06:10] ons groter embedded produkte ship ook met linux (Angstrom) [06:10] dis grand. daar is altyd nog plekke waar vensters nodig is [06:11] ons PCB-layout sagteware het windows nodig, daar is nie goeie alternatiewe nie [06:11] sagteware produkte? [06:11] hi Kilos [06:11] hardeware [06:11] aha [06:11] oh yes, the PCB design stuff we use is also mostly Windows-only [06:12] klaasvakie: what do you use? [06:12] a bunch of the stuff in the Mentor Graphics suite, DX for schematic capture and PADS for layout [06:13] Not too sure what we use, we actually outsourced it the last time [06:13] they used some really fancy software, and the board looks AMAZING compared to our older boards [06:13] eish guys, my coffee shes done --- back to the salt mines [06:14] I haven't even gotten my c0ffee yet [06:15] very busy as well superfly ? [06:15] bad time of the year hey [06:15] Kilos: always busy [06:16] sjoe, i was thinking of installing windows me to play red alert 1 again [06:17] no more crashes with any of my ubuntu drives [06:17] Kilos: can't you get it working in WINE or DOSbox? [06:18] im kinda scared of wine. crashed me a coupla times, but maybe that was also because of the psu probs [06:19] ill have another look though [06:19] that's your hardware, I've never had a crash [06:20] might be the mobos, but running with external psu solved all the probs [06:21] main psu to mobo and dvd and external psu to drives [06:21] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:23] morning :-) [06:34] yo ThatGraemeGuy! [06:34] 'ello :-) [06:43] hi mazal [06:43] More oom [07:14] hi Vince-0 [07:14] Hi! [07:42] I am 28 today! [07:46] happy friday the 13th/birthday [07:48] happy birthday Vince-0 may every year just get better and better [07:49] rynofear, whats with the fear bit? [07:50] fanks [08:17] http://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/93659-delphi-ms-office-sa-schools-exclusive-reversed.html [08:43] Nice , that's something at least [08:43] slowly but surely [08:59] sigh, power cut again [09:08] hi psyatw [09:09] hi Kilos [09:09] hi rynofear [09:11] hi nlsthzn [09:12] alo uncle Kilos [09:12] * nlsthzn has found a gfx card to go with the mobo/cpu/ram :) [09:12] just need a better box with the mobo and we are good to go [09:12] *for the mobo [09:12] hi nlsthzn [09:12] alo psyatw [09:13] an old voodoo card? :) [09:13] lol, not that old [09:13] haha [09:13] actually recent but not up to scratch for serious gaming [09:13] radeon hd 5450 (or something like that) [09:13] do they still get obsolete that fast? [09:13] oh, I see [09:13] thats cool nlsthzn [09:13] this is a low end of the spectrum card [09:13] but it does have 2gb ram on it [09:14] more than my obsolete gaming card :p [09:14] yeah :D [09:14] and 4gb of ram not so bad ... it is fast ddr2-800 or something [09:15] I think all my cards in the Netherlands don´t have more than 256 or 512 MB [09:15] * Kilos looking forward to having a fast pc [09:15] but when I bring my desktop here to Poland, I´ll probably get a good recent one [09:15] mine got 512mb and it suffering for it [09:16] http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html [09:16] ram is so important hey? [09:17] nlsthzn, where you gonna find a flat box like that up there [09:17] \maybe a pizza box [09:19] dunno, waiting for the pc shop to open, I asked them an old mobo box [09:19] yes, it is [09:20] I would say RAM is more important that processing power these days [09:21] haha i remeber upgrading my old 486 from 20m to 40meg ram [09:22] wasnt place for any more [09:24] I can remember our PC's first upgrade, went from base ram to 4mb extended :p [09:25] it was amazing [09:25] yeah its all about ram [09:25] swap helps but ram is king [09:26] then again, I have not seen me ever needing more more than 8gb ram... but I don't encode a lot of audio/video and graphics work [09:27] my existing gfx card here has 64m ram [09:27] other pc has 32m [09:28] im gonna be in heaven [09:28] wow, those were the times :P [09:29] i been very lucky though. good peeps like nlsthzn and other angry peeps have got me where i am [09:30] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/arm64/lsb-desktop [09:30] I´m looking forward to hardware for running that [09:30] we are always here to help you [09:31] ty. its been a wonderful experience for me [09:32] haha the pc im using was thrown out a window from the first floor inna flat because the chick wasnt happy with her bf watching porn [09:32] so i scored [09:33] life is lekker [09:37] lol [09:38] That will teach him [09:38] rofl ya it did [09:38] now hes not allowed a pc [09:39] Must say , if my gf ever does that it will be the last time she enters my home. But then again , I won't ever give her reason to do that [09:40] np uncle Kilos [09:41] as long as it is put to use I am happy [09:41] and I hope it is a step up in any case [09:55] yeah nlsthzn major step up [09:56] sweet [09:57] if there is a room I will send the aftermarket cooler I was using on the CPU but I don't think there will be and it is just heavy and not that great... [09:57] that will be one important thing to get is a good cooler... these chips run hot :/ [09:58] im dunno these things but maybe i can use this one [09:58] hasnt every mobo got different mounting methods [09:59] theres always cable ties [10:02] best would be to get one specific for the CPU range - they need to be tightened really well with just the right amount of thermal paste... [10:02] I am sure they can't be that difficult to source second hand [10:02] ok will get the info when i see what it is [10:03] the CPU is already lapped for even better contact etc... [10:03] and i got proper paste too [10:03] hehe [10:03] used toothpaste on the 486 [10:05] >.< [10:21] afternoon [10:22] Kilos: toothpaste? really? [10:22] hi Squirm last day? [10:22] yeah i heard that from a guy that did pc repairs and upgrades [10:22] :/ [10:22] musta worked because i never blew a cpu [10:22] I didn't know toothpaste was a thermal conductor [10:23] i didnt even know about thermal conductors back then [10:23] you don't always need thermal paste, especially if you're not running any CPU intensive applications [10:23] it'll just run maybe a little hotter [10:23] im not gonna take any chances [10:24] have the paste already [10:24] my pcs must last many years [10:24] Toothpaste , wow , never knew that [10:31] i wouldnt try it again now on a modern cpu [10:32] i dont think the 486 was fast enough to generate much heat anyway [10:33] The ones I struggled with the most regarding heat was the AMD's in the P4 era. Cant remember what does AMD's were called [10:33] *those [10:36] the toothpaste is probably slowly eating away at your CPU [10:43] ill got check one day [11:09] good morning [11:09] oops sorry, afternoon [11:18] hi inetpro [11:19] hello Kilos === rynofear is now known as rynomster === rynofear is now known as rynomster [11:28] ah not scared any more [11:31] scared? [11:35] rynofear [12:52] hmm... === rynofear is now known as rynomster [13:28] 1 [13:28] more [13:28] hour [13:29] then I have 3 weeks of being bored :/ [14:05] lol [14:18] no pc where you going Squirm ? [14:19] yes [14:20] but pc is boring [14:20] come drink coffee when you bored [14:20] maaz wont mind [14:20] Kilos: Excuse me? [14:20] Maaz, shup [14:20] Shup yourself oh noisy one [14:36] hallo!! [15:09] hiya kbmonkey hows you? [15:09] sorry was outside [15:09] catching UV's [15:22] i would LOVE 3 weeks of just me and my pc. so much i could do. [16:02] I have messed up my libre office as well as open office. I removed libre and installed open but somehow I reinstalled libre on top of open. Now there are broken dependencies and I can not purge or remove anything. Any help [16:04] hi oupateddie [16:04] hi Kiols [16:04] Kilos [16:05] do you have synaptic installed [16:05] Nope it is 13.04 [16:05] install it then look about removing open office [16:05] can I install synaptic in 13.04 [16:06] yes im sure you can [16:06] sudo apt-get install synaptic [16:06] But I can't install anythin now it does not allow it [16:06] says broken dependencies every time I try to install something [16:06] what does it say? [16:06] ah [16:06] try [16:07] sudo dpkg --configure -a [16:07] stand by [16:09] reply is dpkg error: libreoffice-cals dependency problems [16:09] sorry wait [16:09] sudo apt-get -f install [16:10] also install aptitude it sorts most if not all probs [16:10] first thing i do is install aptitude [16:11] i'm trying to install aptitude but no lck, let me try again. I'm working on a laptop next to thei machine which is the problem [16:11] nope unmet dependencies [16:11] doesnt apt-get -f install work either [16:11] nope [16:12] wow [16:12] try reboot and use recovery mode [16:12] I've gone through all how to's I could get but I'm stuck, looks like a clean install [16:12] have done that as well [16:12] no luck [16:12] there must be a way [16:12] superfly, ideas? [16:13] it gets a 404 error on one of the libreoffcie repsitories [16:13] what repo you using [16:13] I am to blame as I reinstalled libre by accident on top of open [16:13] what does update manager show [16:14] I now have two ppa's one for libre and one for open [16:14] disable the open one [16:14] it comes back with a base update but then can't find the files to download [16:14] ok let me try [16:14] that repo must be sick [16:14] change repos [16:16] update mnan replies with a check internet connection [16:16] aha [16:16] good Kilos and you? [16:16] good ty kbmonkey [16:16] help here [16:16] please [16:17] send you some rain? [16:17] no man with oupas prob [16:17] Hot and humid on the West Coast though [16:18] hello oupateddie [16:18] oupateddie, what repo are you using [16:18] Hi kbmonkey [16:18] sure I can try and help if I can [16:18] let me just get there [16:19] one step at a time :) [16:19] I have already unticked all the repos but it just keeps on crashing [16:19] i know our repo that is in the install gave probs [16:19] had to change to main to get things working again [16:20] I have changed to main now [16:20] there is a command to use to change repos but i forgot what it is [16:20] well, what are you trying to do oupateddie ? [16:20] sudo apt-get update [16:20] are you trying to update ubuntu? [16:21] nope he has libre installed and open office [16:21] I removed libre office and installed open. The somehow I got Libre to reinstall and then it carshed [16:21] does your update run now oupateddie [16:21] hmm, okay. I might be able to help if we can the error message details [16:22] do you now have both Libre and Open office installed oupateddie ? [16:22] and which one would you like to keep? [16:22] At this stage open is running but I can't get NY UPDATES DONE [16:23] actually try sudo rm libreoffice [16:23] no don't try that! [16:23] i think thats the command [16:23] oh [16:23] I want to test Open instead of Libre as my client has to do work in Libre but has to be opens in MS Office 2007. Then there is a format problem [16:23] ok ty take over kbmonkey [16:23] dont sudo rm anything, eek [16:23] lol [16:24] he tried to purge it but it didnt work [16:24] I have changed to MAIN server and update man is busy .. lets see what comes up [16:24] ok. So if I understand, you want to do updates to allow open office to support the new document formats? [16:24] ya things will work now [16:25] even the fly had probs with our repo [16:25] not just that, when there is an update it crashes due to an incomplete libre installation. I want to purge libre but can't [16:26] ah okay, you have dependency problems [16:26] I'm chatting on my main machine and its on a laptop next to me [16:26] Now update man returns with failed to donwload repository and I don't know which one [16:27] is it running the update in the graphical window? or is it in a terminal window with all the text? [16:27] both [16:27] I have tried both [16:27] It just seems as if I'll have to do a clean install perhaps [16:28] oupateddie, can you open a terminal window and copy for us the output to pastebin.com please? [16:28] Let me see [16:28] slexy.org kbmonkey [16:28] pastebin sucks here [16:28] run: "sudo apt-get update" [16:29] stand by [16:30] then if you please oupateddie, open the file "/etc/apt/sources.list" and also paste that for us. [16:31] that will show us what your updates are trying to download [16:31] Pastebin ID wtuWP3h8 [16:34] thank you, I am now investigating... [16:36] Pastebin [16:36] oupateddie, did you have to add the libre office repository yourself? [16:37] AKdRt2wn [16:37] I probably did that in error [16:39] ok, I have an idea of what happened [16:40] Ubuntu has libre office in their main repos [16:40] you might have added the "testing" libre repos by mistake, mixing testing with main can cause these errrors [16:41] OK the how do I remove them [16:41] via the update man I presume [16:42] you might need to uninstall that testing version of libre office first [16:42] OK how? [16:42] then see in update man if you can find the libre repo to remove too [16:43] hmmm, I am trying to find out how... [16:43] I am not on ubuntu at the moment [16:43] Let me check [16:43] Kilos, will know this better, where to find your repos list [16:43] in synaptic [16:44] In the update ma it is therer [16:44] i dunno where i have that command [16:44] inetpro, ping [16:44] is it there as the repo itself? [16:44] in the gui Kilos ? [16:44] look at settings [16:44] bottom of update manager [16:45] yep I have removed it [16:45] what does update man show needs updating? [16:46] okay, and uninstalled the libre office suite too? [16:46] tick on check [16:46] yes, Kilos is right. click on check, it will download the list of applications. [16:47] I'm pasitng the sudo apt-get -f instaal now [16:47] then you can search for libre office again and install it [16:47] it now should use the main repos from Ubuntu [16:47] also install synaptic and aptitude [16:48] Pastebin G1KWDJi3 [16:48] that's what it returns with sudo apt-get -f install [16:48] hw do i get to that pastebin thing [16:48] It ran the apt-get update with no errors [16:48] sudo dpkg --configure -a [16:50] Your search - Pastebin G1KWDJi3 - did not match any documents. [16:50] grrr [16:50] Let me redo [16:50] oupateddie, use slexy.org [16:50] http://slexy.org [16:51] much faster than pastebin [16:51] www.pastebin.com/ixyZHpd [16:52] it seems to still be using the testing version to install [16:52] This paste has been removed! [16:53] Kilos, are you on raring too? [16:53] nope 12.04 [16:53] short support not lekker for me [16:54] ok, oupateddie I was wrong, it is using the main version. but there looks like a bug in the install script :( [16:54] hang on let me search a little [16:54] slexy.org/view/s2Xefu3VLD [16:55] What I want to do is to remove libre and its files. I have Libre on this machine and want open on the other for testing purposes [16:56] sudo apt-get purge libreoffice* [16:56] try ap-get remove libreoffice [16:56] hehe [16:56] niope unmet dependancies. [16:57] sjoe [16:57] Don't worry I'll do a clean install, it's going to be just better. [16:57] ja sjoe die een het my [16:57] then well never know what the prob was [16:58] well it will save more time [16:58] before you reinstall do the sudo rm libreoffice* [16:58] okay oupateddie, sorry we cant help at this time! [16:58] this is frustrating [16:59] let me try that [16:59] always install synaptic it has a fix broken button [16:59] do you have a link to the steps you used to add the libre repo? [16:59] I'll have to check that [17:00] I just googled howto install open office in 13.04 and it gave me the answer, but I made a f-up. It worked but I reinstalled libre office on top o open thinking both would run [17:00] I'll jus reinstall quickly [17:01] thanks in any case [17:01] next time just use the software center and install libre or open offfice through there [17:01] I see a ubuntuforums thread of someone with the same issue [17:01] always install synaptic and do installs from there or with aptitude [17:01] kbmonkey, you use aptitude? [17:01] but it seems a tricky operation and reinstall will help you quicker oupateddie :) [17:02] no Kilos I use apt [17:02] lol [17:02] well its the same as aptitude, but just command line [17:02] aptitude is better man [17:02] much more user friendly [17:02] yep I agree [17:02] what can be more user friendly than the command line? ;) [17:03] 'n kwaai vrou [17:03] i wish i had that pc here [17:03] this is tricky, I have not worked with ppa's in like 2 years [17:03] LOL oupateddie [17:03] be interesting to sort that prob out [17:05] on packages.ubuntu.com I searched for libre office, and it is in the main [17:05] does libre office not support word formats ? [17:05] Yep but there is a new 4.1 lo out with its own ppa [17:05] it does [17:06] ah, okay I see. the new 4.1 probably pulled in some newer dependencies and caused a ruckus! [17:06] oupateddie: don't use that ppa - those packages are packaged incorrectly. [17:06] ^ thanks superfly. I was wondering about that. [17:06] Well it works on my own machine. But I'll try and remove it from my main machine and rollback to 4.0 [17:07] remove the ppa [17:07] apt-get update [17:07] apt-get install --reinstall libreoffice [17:07] (not real package names, please make sure you're using the right ones) [17:08] thanks superfly [17:08] will do that [17:08] good stuff [17:09] time for me to make dinner [17:09] Where are you kbmonkey [17:10]