[05:07] <Kilos> morning all
[06:00] <klaasvakie> nogsteeds by die werk :(
[06:01] <Kilos> ai! het jy nie geslaap nie?
[06:01] <klaasvakie> so twee ure op die kantoor se vloer
[06:02] <Kilos> eina. waar werk jy?
[06:02] <Kilos> en het jy darem koffie om jou aan die gang te hou
[06:02] <klaasvakie> Embedded IQ, ons is 'n klein outfit, net ses mense so partykeer moet jy maar inspring
[06:02] <klaasvakie> baie koffie ja
[06:03] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:04] <klaasvakie> die ander rede is dat ek nie eintlik volgende week wil terugkom werk toe nie, so beter as ek vandag alles kan klaarkry
[06:05] <Kilos> veels geluk
[06:05] <Kilos> in jhb?
[06:05] <klaasvakie> ja, northcliff
[06:05] <Kilos> ah
[06:05] <klaasvakie> jy?
[06:05] <Kilos> ek is n ou ballie
[06:06] <Kilos> lekker gelag toe jy se boetman
[06:06] <klaasvakie> haha
[06:06] <Kilos> semi disabled, en bly op n plot by my sus en haar man
[06:07] <Kilos> my job is to be the greeter bot here
[06:08] <klaasvakie> ek het nog kontak met so paar pelle wat saam my geswot het, die "naandsê boetman" groet kom van daardie dae af
[06:08] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:08] <Kilos> gebruik julle darem linux?
[06:09] <klaasvakie> ja, ons is 'n volledige linux shop
[06:09] <Kilos> mooi man
[06:09] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[06:09] <klaasvakie> ons het so een of twee windows lisensies vir spesiale sagteware, maar omtrent almal is op linux
[06:10] <klaasvakie> ons groter embedded produkte ship ook met linux (Angstrom)
[06:10] <Kilos> dis grand. daar is altyd nog plekke waar vensters nodig is
[06:11] <klaasvakie> ons PCB-layout sagteware het windows nodig, daar is nie goeie alternatiewe nie
[06:11] <Kilos> sagteware produkte?
[06:11] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:11] <klaasvakie> hardeware
[06:11] <Kilos> aha
[06:11] <superfly> oh yes, the PCB design stuff we use is also mostly Windows-only
[06:12] <superfly> klaasvakie: what do you use?
[06:12] <klaasvakie> a bunch of the stuff in the Mentor Graphics suite, DX for schematic capture and PADS for layout
[06:13] <superfly> Not too sure what we use, we actually outsourced it the last time
[06:13] <superfly> they used some really fancy software, and the board looks AMAZING compared to our older boards
[06:13] <klaasvakie> eish guys, my coffee shes done --- back to the salt mines
[06:14] <superfly> I haven't even gotten my c0ffee yet
[06:15] <Kilos> very busy as well superfly ?
[06:15] <Kilos> bad time of the year hey
[06:15] <superfly> Kilos: always busy
[06:16] <Kilos> sjoe, i was thinking of installing windows me to play red alert 1 again
[06:17] <Kilos> no more crashes with any of my ubuntu drives
[06:17] <superfly> Kilos: can't you get it working in WINE or DOSbox?
[06:18] <Kilos> im kinda scared of wine. crashed me a coupla times, but maybe that was also because of the psu probs
[06:19] <Kilos> ill have another look though
[06:19] <superfly> that's your hardware, I've never had a crash
[06:20] <Kilos> might be the mobos, but running with external psu solved all the probs
[06:21] <Kilos> main psu to mobo and dvd and external psu to drives
[06:21] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :-)
[06:34] <superfly> yo ThatGraemeGuy!
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'ello :-)
[06:43] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:43] <mazal> More oom
[07:14] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:14] <Vince-0> Hi!
[07:42] <Vince-0> I am 28 today!
[07:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> happy friday the 13th/birthday
[07:48] <Kilos> happy birthday Vince-0  may every year just get better and better
[07:49] <Kilos> rynofear, whats with the fear bit?
[07:50] <Vince-0> fanks
[08:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/93659-delphi-ms-office-sa-schools-exclusive-reversed.html
[08:43] <mazal> Nice , that's something at least
[08:43] <Kilos> slowly but surely
[08:59] <Kilos> sigh, power cut again
[09:08] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:09] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:09] <psyatw> hi rynofear
[09:11] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[09:12] <nlsthzn> alo uncle Kilos 
[09:12]  * nlsthzn has found a gfx card to go with the mobo/cpu/ram :)
[09:12] <nlsthzn> just need a better box with the mobo and we are good to go
[09:12] <nlsthzn> *for the mobo
[09:12] <psyatw> hi nlsthzn
[09:12] <nlsthzn> alo psyatw 
[09:13] <psyatw> an old voodoo card? :)
[09:13] <nlsthzn> lol, not that old
[09:13] <psyatw> haha
[09:13] <nlsthzn> actually recent but not up to scratch for serious gaming
[09:13] <nlsthzn> radeon hd 5450 (or something like that)
[09:13] <psyatw> do they still get obsolete that fast?
[09:13] <psyatw> oh, I see
[09:13] <Kilos> thats cool nlsthzn 
[09:13] <nlsthzn> this is a low end of the spectrum card
[09:13] <nlsthzn> but it does have 2gb ram on it
[09:14] <nlsthzn> more than my obsolete gaming card :p
[09:14] <psyatw> yeah :D
[09:14] <nlsthzn> and 4gb of ram not so bad ... it is fast ddr2-800 or something
[09:15] <psyatw> I think all my cards in the Netherlands don´t have more than 256 or 512 MB
[09:15]  * Kilos looking forward to having a fast pc
[09:15] <psyatw> but when I bring my desktop here to Poland, I´ll probably get a good recent one
[09:15] <nlsthzn> mine got 512mb and it suffering for it
[09:16] <psyatw> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107.html
[09:16] <Kilos> ram is so important hey?
[09:17] <Kilos> nlsthzn, where you gonna find a flat box like that up there
[09:17] <Kilos> \maybe a pizza box
[09:19] <nlsthzn> dunno, waiting for the pc shop to open, I asked them an old mobo box
[09:19] <psyatw> yes, it is
[09:20] <psyatw> I would say RAM is more important that processing power these days
[09:21] <Kilos> haha i remeber upgrading my old 486 from 20m to 40meg ram
[09:22] <Kilos> wasnt place for any more
[09:24] <nlsthzn> I can remember our PC's first upgrade, went from base ram to 4mb extended :p
[09:25] <nlsthzn> it was amazing
[09:25] <Kilos> yeah its all about ram
[09:25] <Kilos> swap helps but ram is king
[09:26] <nlsthzn> then again, I have not seen me ever needing more more than 8gb ram... but I don't encode a lot of audio/video and graphics work
[09:27] <Kilos> my existing gfx card here has 64m ram
[09:27] <Kilos> other pc has 32m
[09:28] <Kilos> im gonna be in heaven
[09:28] <psyatw> wow, those were the times :P
[09:29] <Kilos> i been very lucky though. good peeps like nlsthzn and other angry peeps have got me where i am
[09:30] <psyatw> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/arm64/lsb-desktop
[09:30] <psyatw> I´m looking forward to hardware for running that
[09:30] <psyatw> we are always here to help you
[09:31] <Kilos> ty. its been a wonderful experience for me
[09:32] <Kilos> haha the pc im using was thrown out a window from the first floor inna flat because the chick wasnt happy with her bf watching porn
[09:32] <Kilos> so i scored
[09:33] <Kilos> life is lekker
[09:37] <mazal> lol
[09:38] <mazal> That will teach him
[09:38] <Kilos> rofl ya it did
[09:38] <Kilos> now hes not allowed a pc
[09:39] <mazal> Must say , if my gf ever does that it will be the last time she enters my home. But then again , I won't ever give her reason to do that
[09:40] <nlsthzn> np uncle Kilos 
[09:41] <nlsthzn> as long as it is put to use I am happy
[09:41] <nlsthzn> and I hope it is a step up in any case
[09:55] <Kilos> yeah nlsthzn major step up
[09:56] <nlsthzn> sweet
[09:57] <nlsthzn> if there is a room I will send the aftermarket cooler I was using on the CPU but I don't think there will be and it is just heavy and not that great...
[09:57] <nlsthzn> that will be one important thing to get is a good cooler... these chips run hot :/
[09:58] <Kilos> im dunno these things but maybe i can use this one
[09:58] <Kilos> hasnt every mobo got different mounting methods
[09:59] <Kilos> theres always cable ties
[10:02] <nlsthzn> best would be to get one specific for the CPU range - they need to be tightened really well with just the right amount of thermal paste...
[10:02] <nlsthzn> I am sure they can't be that difficult to source second hand 
[10:02] <Kilos> ok will get the info when i see what it is 
[10:03] <nlsthzn> the CPU is already lapped for even better contact etc...
[10:03] <Kilos> and i got proper paste too
[10:03] <Kilos> hehe
[10:03] <Kilos> used toothpaste on the 486
[10:05] <nlsthzn> >.<
[10:21] <Squirm> afternoon
[10:22] <Squirm> Kilos: toothpaste? really?
[10:22] <Kilos> hi Squirm last day?
[10:22] <Kilos> yeah i heard that from a guy that did pc repairs and upgrades
[10:22] <Squirm> :/
[10:22] <Kilos> musta worked because i never blew a cpu
[10:22] <Squirm> I didn't know toothpaste was a thermal conductor
[10:23] <Kilos> i didnt even know about thermal conductors back then
[10:23] <Squirm> you don't always need thermal paste, especially if you're not running any CPU intensive applications
[10:23] <Squirm> it'll just run maybe a little hotter
[10:23] <Kilos> im not gonna take any chances
[10:24] <Kilos> have the paste already
[10:24] <Kilos> my pcs must last many years
[10:24] <mazal> Toothpaste , wow , never knew that
[10:31] <Kilos> i wouldnt try it again now on a modern cpu
[10:32] <Kilos> i dont think the 486 was fast enough to generate much heat anyway
[10:33] <mazal> The ones I struggled with the most regarding heat was the AMD's in the P4 era. Cant remember what does AMD's were called
[10:33] <mazal> *those
[10:36] <Squirm> the toothpaste is probably slowly eating away at your CPU
[10:43] <Kilos> ill got check one day
[11:09] <inetpro> good morning
[11:09] <inetpro> oops sorry, afternoon
[11:18] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[11:19] <inetpro> hello Kilos
[11:28] <Kilos> ah not scared any more
[11:31] <inetpro> scared?
[11:35] <Kilos> rynofear
[12:52] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:28] <Squirm> 1
[13:28] <Squirm> more
[13:28] <Squirm> hour
[13:29] <Squirm> then I have 3 weeks of being bored :/
[14:05] <Kilos> lol
[14:18] <Kilos> no pc where you going Squirm ?
[14:19] <Squirm> yes
[14:20] <Squirm> but pc is boring
[14:20] <Kilos> come drink coffee when you bored
[14:20] <Kilos>   maaz wont mind
[14:20] <Maaz> Kilos: Excuse me?
[14:20] <Kilos> Maaz, shup
[14:20] <Maaz> Shup yourself oh noisy one
[14:36] <kbmonkey> hallo!!
[15:09] <Kilos> hiya kbmonkey hows you?
[15:09] <Kilos> sorry was outside
[15:09] <Kilos> catching UV's
[15:22] <superfly> i would LOVE 3 weeks of just me and my pc. so much i could do.
[16:02] <oupateddie> I have messed up my libre office as well as open office. I removed libre and installed open but somehow I reinstalled libre on top of open. Now there are broken dependencies and I can not purge or remove anything. Any help
[16:04] <Kilos> hi oupateddie 
[16:04] <oupateddie> hi Kiols
[16:04] <oupateddie> Kilos
[16:05] <Kilos> do you have synaptic installed
[16:05] <oupateddie> Nope it is 13.04
[16:05] <Kilos> install it then look about removing open office
[16:05] <oupateddie> can I install synaptic in 13.04
[16:06] <Kilos> yes im sure you can
[16:06] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install synaptic
[16:06] <oupateddie> But I can't install anythin now it does not allow it
[16:06] <oupateddie> says broken dependencies every time I try to install something
[16:06] <Kilos> what does it say?
[16:06] <Kilos> ah
[16:06] <Kilos> try
[16:07] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:07] <oupateddie> stand by
[16:09] <oupateddie> reply is dpkg error: libreoffice-cals dependency problems
[16:09] <oupateddie> sorry wait
[16:09] <Kilos>  sudo apt-get -f install
[16:10] <Kilos> also install aptitude it sorts most if not all probs
[16:10] <Kilos> first thing i do is install aptitude
[16:11] <oupateddie> i'm trying to install aptitude but no lck, let me try again. I'm working on a laptop next to thei machine which is the problem
[16:11] <oupateddie> nope unmet dependencies
[16:11] <Kilos> doesnt apt-get -f install work either
[16:11] <oupateddie> nope
[16:12] <Kilos> wow
[16:12] <Kilos> try reboot and use recovery mode
[16:12] <oupateddie> I've gone through all how to's I could get but I'm stuck, looks like a clean install
[16:12] <oupateddie> have done that as well
[16:12] <oupateddie> no luck
[16:12] <Kilos> there must be a way
[16:12] <Kilos> superfly, ideas?
[16:13] <oupateddie> it gets a 404 error on one of the libreoffcie repsitories
[16:13] <Kilos> what repo you using
[16:13] <oupateddie> I am to blame as I reinstalled libre by accident on top of open
[16:13] <Kilos> what does update manager show
[16:14] <oupateddie> I now have two ppa's one for libre and one for open
[16:14] <Kilos> disable the open one
[16:14] <oupateddie> it comes back with a base update but then can't find the files to download
[16:14] <oupateddie> ok let me try
[16:14] <Kilos> that repo must be sick
[16:14] <Kilos> change repos
[16:16] <oupateddie> update mnan replies with a check internet connection
[16:16] <Kilos> aha
[16:16] <kbmonkey> good Kilos and you?
[16:16] <Kilos> good ty kbmonkey 
[16:16] <Kilos> help here
[16:16] <Kilos> please
[16:17] <kbmonkey> send you some rain?
[16:17] <Kilos> no man with oupas prob
[16:17] <oupateddie> Hot and humid on the West Coast though
[16:18] <kbmonkey> hello oupateddie 
[16:18] <Kilos> oupateddie, what repo are you using
[16:18] <oupateddie> Hi kbmonkey
[16:18] <kbmonkey> sure I can try and help if I can
[16:18] <oupateddie> let me just get there
[16:19] <kbmonkey> one step at a time :)
[16:19] <oupateddie> I have already unticked all the repos but it just keeps on crashing
[16:19] <Kilos> i know our repo that is in the install gave probs
[16:19] <Kilos> had to change to main to get things working again
[16:20] <oupateddie> I have changed to main now
[16:20] <Kilos> there is a command to use to change repos but i forgot what it is
[16:20] <kbmonkey> well, what are you trying to do oupateddie ?
[16:20] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update
[16:20] <kbmonkey> are you trying to update ubuntu?
[16:21] <Kilos> nope he has libre installed and open office
[16:21] <oupateddie> I removed libre office and installed open. The somehow I got Libre to reinstall and then it carshed
[16:21] <Kilos> does your update run now oupateddie 
[16:21] <kbmonkey> hmm, okay. I might be able to help if we can the error message details
[16:22] <kbmonkey> do you now have both Libre and Open office installed oupateddie ?
[16:22] <kbmonkey> and which one would you like to keep?
[16:22] <oupateddie> At this stage open is running but I can't get NY UPDATES DONE
[16:23] <Kilos> actually try sudo rm libreoffice
[16:23] <kbmonkey> no don't try that!
[16:23] <Kilos> i think thats the command
[16:23] <Kilos> oh
[16:23] <oupateddie> I want to test Open instead of Libre as my client has to do work in Libre but has to be opens in MS Office 2007. Then there is a format problem
[16:23] <Kilos> ok ty take over kbmonkey 
[16:23] <kbmonkey> dont sudo rm anything, eek
[16:23] <kbmonkey> lol
[16:24] <Kilos> he tried to purge it but it didnt work
[16:24] <oupateddie> I have changed to MAIN server and update man is busy .. lets see what comes up
[16:24] <kbmonkey> ok. So if I understand, you want to do updates to allow open office to support the new document formats?
[16:24] <Kilos> ya things will work now
[16:25] <Kilos> even the fly had probs with our repo
[16:25] <oupateddie> not just that, when there is an update it crashes due to an incomplete libre installation. I want to purge libre but can't
[16:26] <kbmonkey> ah okay, you have dependency problems
[16:26] <oupateddie> I'm chatting on my main machine and its on a laptop next to me
[16:26] <oupateddie> Now update man returns with failed to donwload repository and I don't know which one
[16:27] <kbmonkey> is it running the update in the graphical window? or is it in a terminal window with all the text?
[16:27] <oupateddie> both
[16:27] <oupateddie> I have tried both
[16:27] <oupateddie> It just seems as if I'll have to do a clean install perhaps
[16:28] <kbmonkey> oupateddie, can you open a terminal window and copy for us the output to pastebin.com please?
[16:28] <oupateddie> Let me see
[16:28] <Kilos> slexy.org kbmonkey 
[16:28] <Kilos> pastebin sucks here
[16:28] <kbmonkey> run: "sudo apt-get update"
[16:29] <oupateddie> stand by
[16:30] <kbmonkey> then if you please oupateddie, open the file "/etc/apt/sources.list" and also paste that for us.
[16:31] <kbmonkey> that will show us what your updates are trying to download
[16:31] <oupateddie> Pastebin ID wtuWP3h8
[16:34] <kbmonkey> thank you, I am now investigating...
[16:36] <oupateddie> Pastebin 
[16:36] <kbmonkey> oupateddie, did you have to add the libre office repository yourself?
[16:37] <oupateddie> AKdRt2wn
[16:37] <oupateddie> I probably did that in error
[16:39] <kbmonkey> ok, I have an idea of what happened
[16:40] <kbmonkey> Ubuntu has libre office in their main repos
[16:40] <kbmonkey> you might have added the "testing" libre repos by mistake, mixing testing with main can cause these errrors
[16:41] <oupateddie> OK the how do I remove them
[16:41] <oupateddie> via the update man I presume
[16:42] <kbmonkey> you might need to uninstall that testing version of libre office first
[16:42] <oupateddie> OK how?
[16:42] <kbmonkey> then see in update man if you can find the libre repo to remove too
[16:43] <kbmonkey> hmmm, I am trying to find out how...
[16:43] <kbmonkey> I am not on ubuntu at the moment
[16:43] <oupateddie> Let me check
[16:43] <kbmonkey> Kilos, will know this better, where to find your repos list
[16:43] <Kilos> in synaptic
[16:44] <oupateddie> In the update ma it is therer
[16:44] <Kilos> i dunno where i have that command
[16:44] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[16:44] <kbmonkey> is it there as the repo itself?
[16:44] <kbmonkey> in the gui Kilos ?
[16:44] <Kilos> look at settings
[16:44] <Kilos> bottom of update manager
[16:45] <oupateddie> yep I have removed it
[16:45] <Kilos> what does update man show needs updating?
[16:46] <kbmonkey> okay, and uninstalled the libre office suite too?
[16:46] <Kilos> tick on check
[16:46] <kbmonkey> yes, Kilos is right. click on check, it will download the list of applications.
[16:47] <oupateddie> I'm pasitng the sudo apt-get -f instaal now
[16:47] <kbmonkey> then you can search for libre office again and install it
[16:47] <kbmonkey> it now should use the  main repos from Ubuntu
[16:47] <Kilos> also install synaptic and aptitude
[16:48] <oupateddie> Pastebin G1KWDJi3
[16:48] <oupateddie> that's what it returns with sudo apt-get -f install
[16:48] <Kilos> hw do i get to that pastebin thing
[16:48] <oupateddie> It ran the apt-get update with no errors
[16:48] <Kilos> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[16:50] <Kilos> Your search - Pastebin G1KWDJi3 - did not match any documents.
[16:50] <Kilos> grrr
[16:50] <oupateddie> Let me redo
[16:50] <Kilos> oupateddie, use slexy.org
[16:50] <Kilos> http://slexy.org
[16:51] <Kilos> much faster than pastebin
[16:51] <oupateddie> www.pastebin.com/ixyZHpd
[16:52] <kbmonkey> it seems to still be using the testing version to install
[16:52] <Kilos> This paste has been removed!
[16:53] <kbmonkey> Kilos, are you on raring too?
[16:53] <Kilos> nope 12.04
[16:53] <Kilos> short support not lekker for me
[16:54] <kbmonkey> ok, oupateddie I was wrong, it is using the main version. but there looks like a bug in the install script :(
[16:54] <kbmonkey> hang on let me search a little
[16:54] <oupateddie> slexy.org/view/s2Xefu3VLD
[16:55] <oupateddie> What I want to do is to remove libre and its files. I have Libre on this machine and want open on the other for testing purposes
[16:56] <kbmonkey> sudo apt-get purge libreoffice*
[16:56] <Kilos> try ap-get remove libreoffice
[16:56] <Kilos> hehe
[16:56] <oupateddie> niope unmet dependancies.
[16:57] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:57] <oupateddie> Don't worry I'll do a clean install, it's going to be just better.
[16:57] <oupateddie> ja sjoe die een het my
[16:57] <Kilos> then well never know what the prob was
[16:58] <oupateddie> well it will save more time
[16:58] <Kilos> before you reinstall do the sudo rm libreoffice*
[16:58] <kbmonkey> okay oupateddie, sorry we cant help at this time!
[16:58] <Kilos> this is frustrating
[16:59] <oupateddie> let me try that
[16:59] <Kilos> always install synaptic it has a fix broken button
[16:59] <kbmonkey> do you have a link to the steps you used to add the libre repo?
[16:59] <oupateddie> I'll have to check that
[17:00] <oupateddie> I just googled howto install open office in 13.04 and it gave me the answer, but I made a f-up. It worked but I reinstalled libre office on top o open thinking both would run
[17:00] <oupateddie> I'll jus reinstall quickly
[17:01] <oupateddie> thanks in any case
[17:01] <kbmonkey> next time just use the software center and install libre or open offfice through there
[17:01] <kbmonkey> I see a ubuntuforums thread of someone with the same issue
[17:01] <Kilos> always install synaptic and do installs from there or with aptitude
[17:01] <Kilos> kbmonkey, you use aptitude?
[17:01] <kbmonkey> but it seems a tricky operation and reinstall will help you quicker oupateddie :)
[17:02] <kbmonkey> no Kilos I use apt
[17:02] <Kilos> lol
[17:02] <kbmonkey> well its the same as aptitude, but just command line
[17:02] <Kilos> aptitude is better man
[17:02] <Kilos> much more user friendly
[17:02] <oupateddie> yep I agree
[17:02] <kbmonkey> what can be more user friendly than the command line? ;)
[17:03] <oupateddie> 'n kwaai vrou
[17:03] <Kilos> i wish i had that pc here
[17:03] <kbmonkey> this is tricky, I have not worked with ppa's in like 2 years
[17:03] <kbmonkey> LOL oupateddie 
[17:03] <Kilos> be interesting to sort that prob out
[17:05] <kbmonkey> on packages.ubuntu.com I searched for libre office, and it is in the main
[17:05] <kbmonkey> does libre office not support word formats ?
[17:05] <oupateddie> Yep but there is a new 4.1 lo out with its own ppa
[17:05] <superfly> it does
[17:06] <kbmonkey> ah, okay I see. the new 4.1 probably pulled in some newer dependencies and caused a ruckus!
[17:06] <superfly> oupateddie: don't use that ppa - those packages are packaged incorrectly.
[17:06] <kbmonkey> ^ thanks superfly. I was wondering about that.
[17:06] <oupateddie> Well it works on my own machine. But I'll try and remove it from my main machine and rollback to 4.0
[17:07] <superfly> remove the ppa
[17:07] <superfly> apt-get update
[17:07] <superfly> apt-get install --reinstall libreoffice
[17:07] <superfly> (not real package names, please make sure you're using the right ones)
[17:08] <oupateddie> thanks superfly
[17:08] <oupateddie> will do that
[17:08] <kbmonkey> good stuff
[17:09] <kbmonkey> time for me to make dinner
[17:09] <oupateddie> Where are you kbmonkey
[17:10] <kbmonkey> Durban oupateddie 
[17:11] <oupateddie> Opposite sied of me I'm at Yzerfontein West Coast
[17:11] <kbmonkey> Ag lekker!
[17:12] <Kilos> oupateddie, you are having these probs because you havent been here for a long tim
[17:12] <Kilos> time
[17:12] <oupateddie> Time Kilos, time
[17:12] <Kilos> oh kbmonkey ive used 13.04 kde
[17:13] <oupateddie> I'm getting ready to visit Dubai in Jan 2014 so everything has to be finished
[17:13] <Kilos> everyone cries about the time in this fast paced world
[17:13] <Kilos> whew
[17:22] <Kilos> come on oupateddie is office fixed?
[17:23] <kbmonkey> lol kil	
[17:23] <kbmonkey> Maaz, coffee on
[17:23]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[17:23] <kbmonkey> ai! terminal doing that funny character thing again. typing to fast for my ssh tunnerl
[17:24] <oupateddie> I'm busy with reinstallation
[17:24] <oupateddie> The Libre is running on this machine
[17:25] <oupateddie> My proble is that this friend is using libre for reports and when the other side opens it in office 2003/7 the formatting is all skrewed up
[17:26] <oupateddie> Somehow an extra blank page is inserted after every libre page in die doc
[17:26] <kbmonkey> hmm, sounds like the page margins are too wide
[17:26] <kbmonkey> but that is just my guess
[17:26] <oupateddie> that's what I thought as well
[17:26] <oupateddie> I found this with another client as well
[17:27] <superfly> oupateddie: that's a known issue in Office (if you're saving things in ODT)
[17:27] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for kbmonkey!
[17:27] <oupateddie> but MS Office is so sh1t and I cannot thionk why people cannot see the light
[17:27] <superfly> Office doesn't implement any of the standards properly
[17:27] <kbmonkey> fancy documents are not my forte, Im a text file person myself
[17:27] <oupateddie> no saving in .doc
[17:27] <kbmonkey> Maaz, dankie
[17:27] <Maaz> Groot plesier kbmonkey my vriend
[17:27] <oupateddie> ditto superfly
[17:28] <oupateddie> According to the world standards authority the ot format is the industry standard
[17:28] <kbmonkey> office supports odf formats now (if I recall correctly), maybe have more luck with those
[17:28] <oupateddie> but Microsoft think they are the cat's whiskers
[17:28] <kbmonkey> odt*
[17:28]  * superfly had to tell a friend today to stop using IE for their own safety
[17:28] <superfly> I couldn't believe people still use that piece of rubbish
[17:28] <oupateddie> Office 2010or 2013 perhaps
[17:29] <superfly> 2010 and 2013 sortof support ODT
[17:29] <oupateddie> The best of LO or OO is that they always loo the same even in newer versions but MS changes everything meaniong a new training
[17:30] <oupateddie> Which would you say is better now LO or OpenO
[17:30] <superfly> LibreOFfice
[17:30] <superfly> AOO is being left behind
[17:30] <oupateddie> Even now that Apache has taken OO over
[17:31] <superfly> yup
[17:31] <kbmonkey> reading an interesting piece on microsoft vs free software, you compete with two ways: features and price. since ms cannot compete with price, they create faux features to give the impression of added value
[17:31] <superfly> they didn't take it over, it was donated
[17:31] <oupateddie> wait a mo... the new office 365 costs only USD10 as I understand
[17:32] <superfly> per month or per year
[17:32] <superfly> it's a subscription
[17:32] <oupateddie> per year apparently
[17:32] <oupateddie> They want to hit LO out of the market in this way
[17:33] <oupateddie> But they can do what they want, Linux is still a safer option wrt virus etc..
[17:33] <oupateddie> oh yes and MS is going strong in the cloud direction
[18:30] <Kilos> oupateddie, heres that command
[18:30] <Kilos> sudo apt-get --fix-broken
[18:31] <Kilos> im still looking for the other one
[18:31] <oupateddie> Nou bietjie laat ek amper klaar reinstall, maar dankie
[18:31] <Kilos> ja man maar hou dit vir volgende probleem
[18:31] <Kilos> hehe
[18:32] <oupateddie> Sal so maak...
[18:32] <Kilos> groot werk vir my om te soek waar is als weggesteek
[19:40] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:40] <Kilos> see youall morrow
[19:40] <Kilos> nlsthzn, how come you not asleep yet?
[19:41] <nlsthzn> :) wife just telling me to come to bed :p
[19:41] <nlsthzn> so I am off now 
[19:41] <nlsthzn> night
[19:41] <Kilos> night
[19:41] <Kilos> hehe