[00:58] <tripper> Hey
[00:58] <tripper> I just did a clean install of 13.10, then installed nvidia drivers for my 560 Ti.
[00:58] <tripper> When I reboot, X seems to start up fine, but instead of a login screen, all it shows is the desktop background for the login screen and the default X-shaped cursor.
[00:59] <tripper> LightDM doesn't seem to start properly.
[00:59] <tripper> And now that I have the proprietary drivers installed, my consoles are broken, so I can't just startx as a user from there.
[00:59] <tripper> What's going on and how do I fix my system?
[01:01] <tripper> Anyone?
[01:02] <holstein> tripper: i would confirm with the open driver
[01:03] <tripper> It started up fine with nouveau.
[01:03] <tripper> It seems to be changing t othe nonfree driver that somehow messed up my login.
[01:03] <holstein> tripper: i would just use the nouveau ones
[01:04] <tripper> Regargles, my machine is inoperable: I hadn't installed an SSH server on it yet so I can't do things on it from my laptop, I can't start an X environment properly, and thanks to the proprietary drivers, my TTYs on't work
[01:04] <tripper> The last of which woudln't be an issue if the login manager worked fine.
[01:04] <holstein> tripper: purge the drivers, and test
[01:05] <holstein> tripper: see that the proprietary driver has put no xorg.conf file in place
[01:05] <tripper> I can't. I have no way to get a shell on the machine.
[01:05] <holstein> tripper: there is a recovery shell at boot
[01:05] <tripper> Should I mount the system from a livecd?
[01:05] <tripper> oh
[01:05] <holstein> tripper: in the grub menu
[01:05] <tripper> Let's see
[01:06] <tripper> Oh, it automatically boots without showing the GRUB menu; what's the key to pull up the grub menu at boot
[01:06] <tripper> ?
[01:06] <holstein> tripper: shift
[01:06] <holstein> !recovery
[01:07] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode#Booting_into_recovery_mode is what i was looking for
[01:08] <tripper> Odd; I hold down Shift even a little bit before the POST beep and it still doesn't go into GRUB
[01:08] <tripper> ┐('～`；)┌
[01:09] <tripper> Any possible explanations?
[01:09] <holstein> tripper: sure.. many
[01:10] <holstein> tripper: i know, on fresh installs like this, sometimes i'l just reinstall.. since that only takes me about 8 minutes
[01:10] <tripper> Yeah, I might just do that lol
[01:10] <holstein> though, i would just tap shift and keep trying.. or, llok from a live CD and see if there is an xorg.conf
[01:10] <Tlan5> hello i need help with xubuntu 13.10
[01:10] <holstein> Tlan5: just ask
[01:10] <tripper> holstein: WOuld I just wipe the xorg.conf?
[01:11] <holstein> tripper: i would test.. without it.. moving it out of the way.. i would look in it, and see what driver is specified
[01:11] <Tlan5> i have an acer V5 122p-0643 laptop
[01:11] <Tlan5> and the brightness controls do not work
[01:11] <Tlan5> also my my machine hangs up when i i do a shutdown
[01:11] <tripper> What would be hilarious would be if it somehow kept a reference to nouveau
[01:11] <Tlan5> it will reboot fine but hangs on shutdown
[01:12] <holstein> Tlan5: i would look for and apply all the upgrades.. in a terminal "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".. and reboot and test
[01:13] <tripper> It's odd; I've never had issues like this with *buntu distros before. It seems as if things just stopped "just working" from 11.04 onwards...
[01:13] <Tlan5> ok
[01:13] <Tlan5> also i noticed on boot up
[01:14] <Tlan5> that it says amd microcode failed to load
[01:14] <Tlan5> how do i install the latest amd microcode
[01:14] <holstein> tripper: make sure you let the driver manufacturer know you are having issues with the driver they are providing
[01:15] <tripper> holstein: Well, the driver itself seems to be all right. It doesn't cause hardware glitches or artifacts or anythingo f the sort.
[01:15] <tripper> My system just isn't playing nice with it.
[01:15] <tripper> Let's see if it's a config file doing it before we notify nvidia
[01:15] <holstein> tripper: they provide that config file
[01:16] <tripper> Hmm
[01:16] <holstein> tripper: the nvidia GUI creates that config file on my hardware where i use the proprietary nvidia driver
[01:16] <tripper> Okay, Poking iaround in /etc/X11
[01:16] <tripper> There's no xorg.conf
[01:16] <tripper> or xorg.conf.d
[01:16] <holstein> tripper: right.. doenst have to be
[01:17] <holstein> tripper: but, you can put one in place.. to specify the vesa driver.. might get you in
[01:17] <tripper> holstein: I'm wishiw I wolud have run nvidia-xconfig beore rebooting.
[01:17] <loloof64> Hello, I have an old Xubuntu installed on my PC, so I am downloading the latest. And I would like to know what is the fatest way to install it ?
[01:18] <loloof64> Without making a cd or liveusb
[01:18] <holstein> loloof64: take the hard drive to a machine that you can install using a CD or liveUSB
[01:18] <loloof64> Ok, thank you :)
[01:19] <loloof64> My understanding
[01:19] <loloof64> is that I must do use a live cd
[01:19] <loloof64> or live usb
[01:19] <holstein> loloof64: i didnt say "must".. im responding to the "fastest" question
[01:19] <loloof64> Sorry :p
[01:19] <loloof64> My question is bad formulated :p
[01:20] <loloof64> I just want to install from Xubuntu very old
[01:20] <loloof64> to latest Xubuntu
[01:20] <loloof64> So upgrading is not possible
[01:20] <loloof64> by Canonical
[01:20] <holstein> loloof64: sure.. i would do a fresh install
[01:20] <holstein> loloof64: you cannot boot cd on the machine?
[01:20] <loloof64> Yes :)
[01:21] <holstein> loloof64: then, why not make a live CD?
[01:21] <loloof64> Sure, it is a post 2000 machine :)
[01:21] <tripper> holstein: Okay, so I managed to do something good.
[01:21] <tripper> I chrooted into my install from the live CD and ran nvidia-xconfig.
[01:21] <holstein> loloof64: ok.. then, im not following why you are not just making a cd from the cd imaage
[01:21] <loloof64> Because I have to found a cd
[01:21] <tripper> Let's boot into my install and see if it runs ok now
[01:21] <loloof64> And it is still late in morning
[01:22] <loloof64> Because I have no cd
[01:22] <holstein> loloof64: ok.. and you have no USB? do you have USB booting capabilities?
[01:22] <loloof64> So I'll do it later :p
[01:22] <tripper> holstein: IT WORKS!
[01:22] <holstein> tripper: congrats
[01:22] <loloof64> I must check usb capabilities on BIOS
[01:23] <loloof64> I think I've done it before on this old machine ...
[01:23] <Tlan5> hey i can't install the amd microcode
[01:23] <holstein> Tlan5: you shouldnt need to
[01:24] <holstein> Tlan5: are you up to date with all the upgrades?
[01:24] <loloof64> I have to download for 12 minutes left, then I try with usb :) Thanks
[01:24] <Tlan5> when i typed dmesg | grep microcode
[01:24] <holstein> loloof64: enjoy!
[01:24] <Tlan5> says one of them has failed
[01:24] <holstein> Tlan5: did you upgrade the system?
[01:24] <loloof64> :)
[01:24] <Tlan5> yes
[01:24] <Tlan5> i ran that command you pasted
[01:25] <holstein> Tlan5: and, you rebooted?
[01:25] <holstein> Tlan5: you'll need to reboot into newer kernel upgrades
[01:25] <Tlan5> yes
[01:25] <holstein> ok.. what is not working?
[01:25] <Tlan5> how do i do that ?
[01:25] <holstein> Tlan5: you just reboot.. and you'll boot into a newer kernel, if one came in
[01:25] <Tlan5> ok
[01:26] <holstein> Tlan5: is there something about the machine that is not functioning?
[01:26] <Tlan5> here is my problem
[01:26] <Tlan5> yes
[01:26] <holstein> Tlan5: what?
[01:26] <Tlan5> the brightness controls on my laptops keyboard not working
[01:26] <holstein> Tlan5: OK.. i understand that.. but i dont think that is related to the microde situation
[01:26] <Tlan5> and when i press  FN + arrow up or down  the brightness icon pops up but also this display window opens
[01:26] <holstein> microcode*
[01:27] <holstein> Tlan5: "this display window" ?
[01:27] <Tlan5> it opens a new window each time i press the brightness buttons on the keyboard
[01:27] <Tlan5> yes
[01:27] <holstein> Tlan5: what opens?
[01:27] <Tlan5> the display window
[01:27] <Tlan5> its titled "Display"
[01:27] <holstein> Tlan5: sure.. what display window? do you have a screenshot?
[01:27] <Tlan5> shows my monitor res and refresh rate
[01:27] <Tlan5> you know in the control panel
[01:27] <Tlan5> you can click on "display"
[01:27] <holstein> Tlan5: i always keep in mind that the hardware may not support linux
[01:28] <holstein> Tlan5: what graphics card does the hardware have in it?
[01:28] <Tlan5> go into settings
[01:28] <Tlan5> you will see under hardware  "Display"
[01:28] <holstein> Tlan5: sure.. no need to go into the setings.. OK
[01:28] <Tlan5> this is the window that pops up each time i press brightness up or down
[01:28] <holstein> Tlan5: ok.. i understand.. a settings window opens
[01:28] <holstein> Tlan5: what graphics hardware?
[01:28] <Tlan5> yes a settings window titlled "display" opens
[01:29] <Tlan5> it seems like a bug
[01:29] <holstein> !bug
[01:29] <Tlan5> i was able to fix the volume marker bug
[01:29] <Tlan5> now i need to fix the brightness bug
[01:29] <Tlan5> but i think it has been solved
[01:29] <holstein> Tlan5: it might not be a bug.. so tell me what graphics hardware you have?
[01:29] <Tlan5> i know someone has had this issue
[01:29] <holstein> Tlan5: sure.. *i* have had that issue
[01:29] <Tlan5>  can i show you a website with the specs
[01:30] <holstein> Tlan5: i have had it on unsupported hardware
[01:30] <Tlan5> its an ACER V5 122p-0643
[01:30] <Tlan5> that is the model
[01:30] <holstein> Tlan5: what graphics driver is in the unity>
[01:30] <Tlan5> its an AMD APU A6 temash
[01:30] <holstein> unit*
[01:30] <Tlan5> it has a 8260D i believe
[01:30] <holstein> Tlan5: i'll wait while you confirm
[01:30] <Tlan5> its an ultra low power quad core runs between 1-1.4ghz
[01:30] <Tlan5> i got 10gb of ddr3 installed
[01:31] <Tlan5> and an samsung evo 840 120gb ssd
[01:31] <holstein> Tlan5: what graphics card do you have?
[01:31] <Tlan5> it has an apu
[01:31] <Tlan5> with the cpu and gpu together
[01:31] <Tlan5> the gpu side is an AMD Radeon HJD 8250
[01:31] <holstein> Tlan5: OK.. and what brand is it? what model?
[01:31] <holstein> !amd
[01:32] <holstein> !ati | Tlan5
[01:32] <Tlan5> i go the latest amd beta catalyst drivers installed
[01:32] <holstein> Tlan5: beta would be not supported... i would go to the ones in the official repos
[01:32] <holstein> Tlan5: otherwise, you'll see support from whomever provides the beta drivers you are using
[01:32] <holstein> !steam
[01:32] <Tlan5> no offical driver is aweful
[01:33] <holstein> ^^ can be handy
[01:33] <Tlan5> the catalyst beta is the only one that works
[01:33] <Tlan5> i don't think its a driver issue
[01:33] <holstein> Tlan5: ok.. you'll need to test with the official driver for official support here
[01:33] <Tlan5> i think its bug in xubuntu
[01:33] <Tlan5> like the sound volume icon bug
[01:33] <holstein> Tlan5: sure.. and i dont agree that its a bug
[01:33] <Tlan5> Argh i know someone here has had a similar issue
[01:33] <Tlan5> there is gotta be
[01:34] <holstein> Tlan5: i have had that issue..
[01:34] <Tlan5> why does the microcode not load?
[01:34] <Tlan5> what did you do to fix it ?
[01:34] <Tlan5> i tried lubuntu 13.10 before xubuntu 13.10
[01:34] <holstein> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2011914
[01:34] <Tlan5> and lubuntu seemed laggier
[01:35] <holstein> Tlan5: lubuntu and xubuntu *are* ubuntu
[01:36] <holstein> Tlan5: let me know if you'd like to test with the official driver.. otherwise, report to the beta driver maintainers.. or feel free and see if someone comes along with first hand experience.. good luck!
[01:37] <Tlan5> what about this microcode issue
[01:37] <Tlan5> i have the same problem
[01:37] <Tlan5> what was the fix or command needed to fix it ?
[01:39] <loloof64> quit
[01:39] <loloof64> Apologizing
[01:39] <Tlan5> i found an newer amd microcode file
[01:40] <holstein> Tlan5: i wouldnt just start dropping in any code you find on the internet
[01:40] <holstein> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode is a nice read about microcode
[01:40] <holstein> it should just be included in the kernel
[01:41] <Tlan5> hmmm
[01:41] <Tlan5> yea i guess
[01:41] <holstein> you can try something from http://www.amd64.org/microcode.html , but i would be aware of what issues could be caused and who is responsible for support at that point
[01:55] <Tlan5> xubuntu still does not shut down
[01:55] <Tlan5> the icon spins then stops
[01:56] <Tlan5> i dunno what it is doing
[01:58] <holstein> Tlan5: you can troubleshoot that by trying from the terminal.. sudo shutdown -h now
[01:58] <holstein> Tlan5: you'll get some error messages.. you can try sudo halt
[01:59] <holstein> Tlan5: http://askubuntu.com/questions/125844/shutdown-does-not-power-off-computer
[01:59] <holstein> answer3 is worth a try
[02:06] <Tlan5> what is the latest kernel i can use
[02:08] <holstein> Tlan5: you can use whatever you choose to support on your own.. the latest kernel for you version is automatically upgraded to the version it is intended to be
[02:09] <holstein> Tlan5: when testing other kernels, you can always keep a few around.. the one you have now for example could be left in place
[02:11] <Tlan5> ok
[02:11] <Tlan5> i don't think iam going to do that
[02:11] <Tlan5> the brightness didn't work with the open or proprietary drivers
[02:12] <holstein> Tlan5: well, its a good idea to keep a 'known good' kernel around for backup
[02:14] <Tlan5> this is the microcode error i get
[02:15] <Tlan5>  failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd_fam16h.bin
[02:19] <Tlan5> when i loaded the catalyst driver does that get rid of any other video driver ?
[03:25] <xubuntu279> Anyone know why I'd get graphics lag in Firefox? The computer is fine but like scrolling down on an internet page just is really choppy.
[03:27] <well_laid_lawn> xubuntu279:  firefox has a setting in its' preferences for smooth scrolling. looked at that?
[03:28] <xubuntu279> I have not. Didn't occur to me cause on all my other computers Firefox is smooth but I'll check it out and see if it makes it better.
[03:28] <well_laid_lawn> just an idea
[03:29] <well_laid_lawn> maybe try without compositing if that's being used
[03:30] <xubuntu279> I just installed the flash player plugin from the software center and it seems to be much smoother but still a bit choppy, gonna try what you told me.
[03:32] <xubuntu279> Yea smooth scrolling is selected.
[03:33] <xubuntu279> But it's not bad now after the flash install.
[03:34] <well_laid_lawn> great
[03:37] <xubuntu279> Everything's good besides Youtube. When trying to load a video it blows up.
[03:38] <well_laid_lawn> start firefox from a terminal so you can catch any errors mentioned
[03:39] <xubuntu279> I think that it's actually flash. Firefox is running fine but any videos won't load.
[03:42] <well_laid_lawn> I thought youtube moved to html5
[03:42] <cyphtor> you have to enable it
[03:42] <us}0gb> How?
[03:42] <cyphtor> http://www.youtube.com/html5
[03:42] <xubuntu279> I went to youtube and it made me install Flash. Installed it through software center and blew up.
[03:45] <cyphtor> things with DRM still won't always play nice
[03:45] <us}0gb> I tried setting it at that link, now most videos claim to be unavailable and the rest say I need to install Flash.
[03:46] <xubuntu279> I'm confused though. My work computer runs Xubuntu and plays any video perfectly fine. Reading reviews on the flash plugin it says that Adobe doesn't support Linux anymore.
[03:46] <us}0gb> Adobe doesn't support GNU/Linux, so you are using an old version of Flash.
[03:47] <us}0gb> The old versions of Flash are still available from back when you had support.
[03:47] <xubuntu279> So what's the solution to play videos?
[03:49] <cyphtor> my 13.1 install did flash fine with the default install
[03:49] <us}0gb> It depends. The solution I use is to not play them. If you are using Firefox or a fork, you can install a browser plugin to change YouTube to HTML5.
[03:49] <cyphtor> aside from stuff that has the DRM stuff that doesn't come with ubuntu (amazon prime, google play, not sure what else)
[03:50] <us}0gb> I would use the browser plugin, but Firefox's address bar bothers me too much, so I use Midori instead. No such plugin for me.
[03:50] <cyphtor> in which case your only option afaik is google's html5 DRM stuff in google chrome
[03:51] <xubuntu279> Well I installed Chrome and it doesn't even work when I try to run it.
[03:51] <us}0gb> Google Chrome's address bar is worse than Firefox's.
[03:51] <tlan5> hey i figured out why certain microcode didn't work
[03:52] <tlan5> its because i had the propritary catalyst driver
[03:52] <tlan5> and doesnt really mean anything
[03:53] <us}0gb> I wonder if my distribution even has Chrome ....
[03:53]  * us}0gb checks
[03:54] <us}0gb> Nope, seems not.
[03:54] <cyphtor> I've not been brave enough to try to get AMD's proprietary driver running on this install yet :Z
[03:55] <us}0gb> I don't have that driver either, and not having it bugs up my graphics a bit.
[03:56] <us}0gb> I went to the store to get a new Intel graphics card to replace it, but it seems my laptop doesn't have a swappable graphics card. I'm stuck with the bugs until I get a new machine.
[03:58] <cyphtor> yeah... sometimes I die a little inside from having a gaming card that I can't currently do a whole lot with
[03:58] <us}0gb> I don't even need something for gaming, I just wish my panel and random browser text would quit bugging up.
[03:59] <us}0gb> Though my gaming frame rate is about three much of the time, so that could be improved.
[03:59] <xubuntu279> 3 FPS?
[04:00] <us}0gb> Yes, three frames per second. Not all the time, but much of the time. I do get up to seven sometimes.
[04:00] <us}0gb> If I'm not running anything else.
[04:00] <xubuntu279> Wow
[04:00] <xubuntu279> What is your GPU?
[04:00] <us}0gb> Some sort of AMD garbage. Checking model ...
[04:01] <us}0gb> Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RS690M [Radeon Xpress 1200/1250/1270]
[04:02] <xubuntu279> But what games are you playing that it only gets 3 FPS?
[04:03] <us}0gb> Minetest. I haven't tried other games yet since removing the proprietary driver, but I used to get thirty to forty frames.
[04:05] <xubuntu279> Is that just pretty much open source minecraft?
[04:07] <us}0gb> Free (as in freedom) Minecraft, yes, but I've tried the real Minecraft too. I never liked the real Minecraft, even before I ditched the proprietary games.
[04:09] <xubuntu279> I got bored of Minecraft. My friends spend hour after hour making different servers and building different things that are later forgotten.
[04:09] <xubuntu279> They spend like 2 weeks on a server making it cool then when they finish they move on and forget about it.
[04:11] <xubuntu279> Quick question: How do you make it so that it stops asking for a password after starting up?
[04:11] <us}0gb> I used to build huge tunnels in Minetest, in a mad search for iron. But at three frames, that's not much fun.
[04:12] <us}0gb> You need your password to log into a server.
[04:12] <us}0gb> Unless you use no password, but then someone could hijack your account.
[04:12] <xubuntu279> that question is talking about Xubuntu, haha
[04:14] <us}0gb> OH! My bad.
[04:14] <us}0gb> There's a way, but I'm not sure what it is. THere's an option when you install it, but after you install it, you'll have to modify some setting that I don't know where is.
[04:15] <xubuntu279> Yea, I know. Whatever I'm giving this comp away I'll just set the password to "password" and let them deal with it every time they restart
[04:22] <xubuntu279> I don't get it, just plugged in a computer I have running Lubuntu and videos are running flawlessly.
[04:23] <xubuntu279> Yesterday I was working on another comp trying to get Lubuntu to run videos and it was futile.
[04:23] <holstein> xubuntu279: same kernel? and package sets? same version?
[04:24] <xubuntu279> I can't be sure but maybe not.
[04:24] <loloof64> Hello, Please, LiveUSB creator is under Windows what ______ is under Linux ?
[04:25] <ObrienDave> unetbootin
[04:25] <loloof64> What software must I use, plez
[04:25] <loloof64> please ?
[04:25] <ObrienDave> unetbootin
[04:25] <loloof64> Yes, I recall ,now
[04:25] <loloof64> Thanks :)
[04:25] <loloof64> Thanks a lot :)
[04:25] <loloof64> C you
[04:25] <ObrienDave> yw
[04:26] <ObrienDave> another happy customer ;P
[04:27] <xubuntu279> I've also been having difficulties with Xubuntu and videos. Could it be because this is Lubuntu 13.10 and I'm using Xubuntu 12.04?
[04:28] <holstein> xubuntu279: it would be more likely that, than a diffrence in lubuntu vs xubuntu
[04:28] <xubuntu279> Yea, but that doesn't rule out the issue of the two Lubuntu installs that both are 13.10.
[04:28] <holstein> xubuntu279: lubuntu and xubuntu are ubuntu.. but, there are differences in many packages, and the hardware they support between 12.04 and 13.10
[04:29] <xubuntu279> Unless it has to do with the one that had issues is just a terrible computer that I'm junking.
[04:30] <holstein> xubuntu279: whats the issue? graphics driver support? have you tried the steam suggested PPA's? ppa's are not officially supported, but you can easily try newer driver versions that way for troubleshooting
[04:31] <xubuntu279> Well that computer I've given up on. 900MHz processor and 380MB SDRAM. It runs Lubuntu fine but it's slow on the internet just due to the high intensity of how much stuff is on websites these days.
[04:31] <holstein> xubuntu279: i might run a machine like that without X
[04:34] <xubuntu279> I have a question on what's your opinion. This comp that I'm working on now is rather old, 2.6GHZ pentium 4 and 1GB DDR RAM, but I'm going to give it to my grandma cause she just watches TV all day and just would like to use the internet. Think leaving Lubuntu on this computer would be a good idea? It runs fine but I'm just worried about things breaking in the future and it not being Windows with easy updates and stuff.
[04:37] <holstein> xubuntu279: i turn off auto updates for folks like that.. i update them for that user.. its no more or less complex or easy windows vs linux.. just different
[04:37] <ObrienDave> LOL wait for next LTS and not have to worry about it for 5 years
[04:37] <holstein> xubuntu279: whatever OS you totally customize and make bullet proof for your grandma will work fine
[04:39] <xubuntu279> Yea. I'm just worried about if, for example, flash gets outdated and stops working and needs a workaround and I'm not within 1 thousand miles to get it running so videos work again.
[04:40] <holstein> xubuntu279: that can happen on *any* os
[04:41] <holstein> xubuntu279: you can do many things to be able to connect back in.. what i usually do is use chrome, which has a recent version of flash.. and i leave ssh if i want/need to upgrade for them
[04:41] <xubuntu279> Hmm, good idea.
[04:42] <holstein> splashtop, or teamviewer.. but, that assumes the machine is functional, and the network is up
[04:45] <xubuntu279> Ugh, leave it up to me to not remember the password I set when I installed it.
[05:44] <loloof64> Hello everyone, I don't manage to install any package on Xubuntu 13.10 32 bits.
[05:44] <loloof64> What information do you need in order to help me ?
[05:47] <ObrienDave> which packages are you trying to install?
[07:16] <mcohen> can anyone help me troubleshoot low eSATA speed on XUbuntu 12.04LTS?
[07:17] <mcohen> I'm running read/write tests between an external eSATA drive and an SSD, and having a bad time
[08:51] <Agge> Anyone know why the xubuntu install would hang after i press countuio on the preparing to install xubunto dialoge and what to do about it?
[08:53] <ObrienDave> Agge, can take a few minutes depending on your connection speed and system. be patient, it should work
[08:53] <Agge> ObrienDave, if it takes more then 2 houres and the mouse don't respond to imput?
[08:54] <Agge> or ctrl alt F1 or ctrl alt del dont work
[08:54] <ObrienDave> ummm, I would double check the ISO file checksum first
[08:55] <cfhowlett> ^^^^ always always ALWAYS take 1 minute for the md5sum!
[08:57] <ObrienDave> ^^^^ what he said ;)
[08:58] <Agge> 546a2ea1b57a2c3d525ae617eaa17d75 *xubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[08:58] <Agge> 546a2ea1b57a2c3d525ae617eaa17d75  xubuntu-13.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[08:59] <Agge> aperently it is the same
[08:59] <cfhowlett> Agge, indeed.
[08:59] <Agge> is it posibel to access a advance install so I can see whare it brakes?
[08:59] <ObrienDave> 546a2ea1b57a2c3d525ae617eaa17d75
[09:00] <ObrienDave> looks good
[09:01] <Agge> and no know bugs with installing on old amd64 athlon laptops?
[09:02] <cfhowlett> Agge, allow me to suggest you try lubuntu as it's optimized for older / lower spec machines
[09:04] <cfhowlett> !lubuntu
[09:04] <Agge> cfhowlett, thanks for the tips. that looks about exakty what I want :) just a fast lightwight system to install fast
[09:05] <Agge> hm the xubuntu live version works without any problem
[09:06] <ObrienDave> Agge, because it's self-contained to the ISO
[09:07] <Agge> yeah but the install brakes before it whrite to the disk
[09:07] <Agge> got past the crash point when running form the live
[09:07] <cfhowlett> Agge, make sure you've flashed the latest bios to that machine ...
[09:08] <Agge> cfhowlett, honestly I wouldn't know where to begin to do that
[09:09] <ObrienDave> start at the website for the manufacturer......
[09:09] <ObrienDave> see if there are any BIOS updates available.....
[09:10] <ObrienDave> probably have to D/L to floppy and boot computer to flash BIOS
[09:10] <Agge> will have to look at that after I get a system working on it
[09:10] <ObrienDave> you could do most of that from the live session you're in now
[09:12] <Agge> any recomendations on how to do the partition table? 200mb /boot 15gb / 2gb swap and the rest /home do that look good or would somthing else be recomended?
[09:13] <ObrienDave> you could make / a bit larger. most start at 20GB
[09:13] <Agge> ok thanks
[09:13] <ObrienDave> any other OSes installed?
[09:14] <Agge> nope
[09:14] <Agge> installing over an half arch install that I don't feel like fixing
[09:14] <ObrienDave> then unless you really need it, I wouldn't bother with /boot
[09:16] <Agge> ok I have usialy done had a /boot it was the way to do it when I learned linux
[09:17] <ObrienDave> that's fine. if it works for you, that's what matters :)
[09:17] <ObrienDave> my / is 30GB btw
[09:18] <elfy> 16Gb here - half empty - but I keep data elsewhere
[09:18] <elfy> lied - 12Gb
[09:18] <ObrienDave> I'm a pack rat, hate deleting anything ;P
[09:19] <elfy> and Iv'e got ~70Mb in /boot with 2 kernels
[09:21] <ObrienDave> i don't even like deleting old kernels LOL
[09:22] <Agge> ObrienDave, I agree you newer know when you need them :)
[09:23] <ObrienDave> fortunately, i've only had to regress 2 or 3 times for wi-fi issues. *knock on wood*
[09:24] <Agge> I got some strange errors on an other system whare mesa told me that I couldent use a pre 2.4 kernel. when I was using a 3.10
[09:24]  * elfy has only ever needed to go back one - hence only having 2
[09:25] <Agge> looks like the install works now. might have been that I klicked the install mp3 stiuff
[09:25] <elfy> Agge: but if you're not going to be removing kernels then I'd either not bother with /boot or make it larger - personally I'd not bother
[09:26] <ObrienDave> i've never had an issue installing the mp3 stuff
[09:26] <Agge> I usialy move the older kernel to an other backup if the space run out
[09:26] <ObrienDave> i do turn off "install updates"
[09:27] <Agge> I did that also
[09:27] <ObrienDave> cool
[09:28] <Agge> yeah I want the system upp and running fast updating stuff can hapand later :)
[09:30]  * ObrienDave drums fingers waiting on new trusty daily to be built ;P
[10:33] <xubuntu633> HELLLOOO
[10:34] <xubuntu633> ANNYYYBBOOODDYY OUTTT THTEEEEREE??? IIII NEEEED HEEEELLPPPP
[10:34] <xubuntu633> ;);):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)
[10:34] <xubuntu633> ppppllllssssssssssssssssss
[10:36] <freedomrun> xubuntu633, can you just ask your question?
[10:36] <baizon> !ask | xubuntu633
[10:38] <msev> guys is there a way to resize just a specific icon, and leave others same size (smaller)?
[10:39] <koegs> i dont think so
[10:39] <koegs> msev: are you talking about desktop icons?
[10:40] <msev> yep, or icons in the file manager
[10:40] <koegs> file manager, definitely not
[10:41] <koegs> on the desktop, you could create a custom panel with a certain icon size
[10:41] <msev> and make it transparent for example, gotcha, nice idea
[10:42] <msev> ty
[10:42] <koegs> np
[11:00] <msev> another thing koegs , in htop I'm getting from 0-10% of usage of /usr/bin/X :0 -core -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswutcg -background none
[11:01] <msev> I've google'd it and found out its x-server which is essential, I'm asking if I can optimize it so it'll use less resources
[11:01] <koegs> what kind of vga card do you have?
[11:03] <koegs> but yes, depending whats happening on your screen, thats pretty normal i would say
[11:03] <msev> nvidia geforce 8600gt m 256mb
[11:05] <koegs> did you install any driver?
[11:05] <msev> yep
[11:05] <msev> i'm not using noveau
[11:06] <msev> 310.44
[11:06] <koegs> not sure if disabling "compositing" will help
[11:08] <xubuntu633> can somebody help me please?
[11:08] <xubuntu633> im hgaving troubles installing amd drivers
[11:08] <xubuntu633> i have typed in the updates and it downloaded
[11:09] <xubuntu633> but right when i type " --lsa" it says no drivers is detected
[11:09] <xubuntu633> at step 3: http://www.cryptobadger.com/2013/04/build-a-litecoin-mining-rig-linux/
[11:11] <msev> i'll try updating the nvidia driver to 331, might help
[14:31] <Agge> Looks like it is a bug in the instalation that couse it to crash if the "install third party software" is enabled
[15:01] <ball> If a printer vendor offers drivers for Ubuntu, would those usually work with Xubuntu too?
[15:04] <GridCube> yes
[15:04] <GridCube> at that level xubuntu is exactly the same as mainbuntu
[15:16] <ball> Thankyou.
[15:21] <thebope> Hi, if I have two accounts and would like to use one but have the other continue to receive network connections is that possible?
[15:21] <thebope> My company has licensing software on an account which needs to be accessible but my coworker would like to use the other account for day to day work
[15:24] <krytarik> thebope: Sure, just switch users then, rather than logging the other one out completely.
[15:25] <thebope> krytarik, sweet thanks. It was a hard question to google I couldn't find any information or anything in settings manager
[15:27] <GridCube> thebope, you can also be logged using both accounts in different x servers
[15:29] <thebope> Hmm not exactly sure about x servers GridCube
[15:29] <thebope> I'm relatively  new to xubuntu
[15:32] <GridCube> thebope, the session you are using resides in an xserver running on the "F7" if you press ctrl-alt-F1 to F6 you can access to the TTYs, those are the text terminals, you can be logged with a different user in each one of this terminal access, on F7 (ctrl-alt-F7) resides the xserver that provides a gui, you can force the system to create a new xserver in F8 for a different user xserver
[15:33] <thebope> Oh wow thats really cool, thanks GridCube
[15:34] <thebope> Oh wow I wasn't expecting that when I pressed alt-ctrl-f1
[15:35] <thebope> Sweet though, cool I'll have to explore these a bit
[15:36] <GridCube> thebope, http://askubuntu.com/questions/154973/is-it-possible-to-start-an-additional-x-server-after-the-system-boots-in-12-04
[15:36] <GridCube> for how to start new xsessions
[15:37] <thebope> Ahh thats great, so everytime my coworker logged in, the other user could be logged in automatically
[15:37] <GridCube> thebope, also if an user is accessing a system remotelly and they have the proper permissions they can do whatever they can do as if they where in the chair next to the computer
[15:37] <thebope> yea thats true
[15:37] <GridCube> yes
[15:37] <thebope> Although it's not exactly *accessing* the system, more just pinging it requests
[15:38] <thebope> theres no ssh access or anything along those lines
[15:38] <GridCube> then it should not matter if they are loged or not, as far as i understand
[15:38] <GridCube> as long as the service is running then it would not matter
[15:38]  * GridCube knowledge on networking is very sparce
[16:21] <sab3r> hello! I just bought a new lenovo laptop and installed Xubuntu on it. Apparently It doesnt show any wireless networks in xubuntu's network manager. Also if I connect the ethernet cable nothing happens..
[16:24] <sab3r> any Ideas? The card works because I could ping myself. The card is: Intel Corporation Device [8086:1559]
[18:12] <xubuntu919> Есть русские?
[18:12] <bazhang> !ru
[18:12] <xubuntu919> Russian?
[18:13] <xubuntu919> Русские?)
[18:13] <bazhang>  #ubuntu-ru xubuntu919
[19:34] <sybrjt> Hi everyone. =) Anyone here familiar with the volume indicator bug with xubuntu 13.10?
[19:35] <knome> j #canonical-sysadmin
[20:17] <Stiffi> Hi @ all, i have a question about xubuntu. I installed the version 13.10 and after the installation i started it. The problem i have is, that only one window is activ and i cant do other stuff outside this window. Did anyone know a solution?
[21:51] <soman> Does anyone know if xfce4-xkb-plugin will be included in 14.04 by default?
[21:51] <Poisoned_Dragon> Dunno
[21:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> I didn't know it was installed by default now
[21:52] <soman> in 12.04 user should manually doanload that package and install
[21:54] <Unit193> Looks like it's default in Saucy at least, and I don't remember it getting dropped.
[22:43] <puff> My xorg is at 103% of cpu, according to top.  It seems to do this almost daily, sometimes more than once a day.  This seemed to starta few weeks ago, after I applied a batch of updates.
[22:43] <puff> In the past, it occasionally happened because I had a hundred chrome windows open :-).  Now it happens even if I only have half a dozen chrome windows open.