| azend | It would be cool if we could get someone in to do a lecture about LaTeX and LaTeX styling | 00:12 |
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| BobJonkman | LaTeX is a good thing for a workshop or a LUG presentation | 00:21 |
| azend | BobJonkman: Do you know cccharles? | 00:21 |
| BobJonkman | It's been years since KWLUG did LaTeX | 00:21 |
| azend | Chris Charles? | 00:21 |
| BobJonkman | I just ran into Kyle Spaans, who did the LaTeX lecture in January 2010; he's just moved to London, UK | 00:23 |
| BobJonkman | No, don't know Chris Charles | 00:23 |
| azend | One of the last times I saw him present, he decided it would be a good idea to make his own presentation software in the presentation as part of the presentation | 00:23 |
| BobJonkman | That's always cool. | 00:23 |
| azend | He wrote his entire presentation software in emacs and then, when he was done, he started presenting his slides | 00:24 |
| BobJonkman | Never got into LaTeX, but laurelrusswurm wants to typeset her next book with it | 00:24 |
| azend | :) | 00:24 |
| azend | What has she used previously? | 00:24 |
| BobJonkman | OpenOffice/LibreOffice | 00:24 |
| azend | Ah.. ouch... | 00:24 |
| azend | That's pretty hard core of her | 00:25 |
| BobJonkman | Most publishers (printers) want you to submit the manuscript as PDF or MS-Word | 00:25 |
| azend | pdflatex is great for that | 00:25 |
| BobJonkman | One site only takes MS-Word, then creates multiple formats for e-books. | 00:25 |
| BobJonkman | laurelrusswurm did it all herself with various epub tools | 00:26 |
| azend | cool | 00:26 |
| BobJonkman | So LaTeX takes a bit more learning, but should be simpler in the long run | 00:26 |
| BobJonkman | https://laurelrusswurm.wordpress.com/tag/smashwords/ | 00:27 |
| azend | LaTeX will take quite a bit more learning | 00:29 |
| azend | But its benefits are tremendous | 00:29 |
| azend | For example, native version control using packages like Git | 00:29 |
| azend | Technically you could do the same thing with .docx but either you end up with a binary blob which is useless for tracking changes with or you xml files everywhere | 00:31 |
| azend | Personally, I would opt for the latter | 00:31 |
| BobJonkman | There are good ways and bad ways of dealing with manuscripts in word processors. I've never had to create anything nearly that big, but I think sub-documents are the way to go | 00:32 |
| azend | I'm not one to say either | 00:33 |
| azend | books scare me | 00:33 |
| BobJonkman | I was providing tech support to an HR department, and the secretary called to say she was having trouble with her document | 00:33 |
| BobJonkman | Seems she couldn't print the latest letter rejecting some candidate for a job | 00:34 |
| azend | Ah | 00:34 |
| azend | That one | 00:34 |
| azend | :) | 00:34 |
| BobJonkman | So I went over to have a look. | 00:34 |
| BobJonkman | Sure enough she was having trouble with her document. In all the time she'd worked there, she had only created one document that contained a page for every letter she'd ever typed. | 00:35 |
| BobJonkman | WordPerfect stopped working after the first thousand pages or so... | 00:35 |
| BobJonkman | But I don't think LaTeX would have helped her... | 00:36 |
| azend | :) | 00:36 |
| aruna_ | BobJonkman:Hi Bob | 00:37 |
| BobJonkman | Hey, it's the Ubuntu Hour Toronto host! | 00:37 |
| aruna_ | Oh come on.... there are lots of us here in Toronto :-) | 00:38 |
| aruna_ | I hope folks will show up, weather man says expect 30cm of the white stuff so bundle up | 00:39 |
| BobJonkman | Don't be saying that! | 00:39 |
| BobJonkman | http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/on-82_metric_e.html says only 5-10 cm here | 00:40 |
| BobJonkman | http://weather.gc.ca/city/pages/on-143_metric_e.html says 10-15cm for Toronto | 00:41 |
| BobJonkman | That's not so bad | 00:41 |
| aruna_ | well so far it's clear n just a little dusting but by morning who knows | 00:42 |
| aruna_ | Appreciate your coming all the way and dragging some friends too :-) | 00:43 |
| azend | We stick together :) | 00:44 |
| aruna_ | am very glad u do :) and azend if there is work or projects I can get involved in with Bob do keep me in mind. Work has been few and far between... | 00:46 |
| azend | Thanks for offering | 00:48 |
| azend | Unless you would like to commute to Guelph every month or so though, I don't think there's much you can do to help :) | 00:49 |
| aruna_ | Seriously can use some work :-) | 00:49 |
| aruna_ | Well I can always relocate ? If it puts food on the table , covers the rent and pays ma bills :-) | 00:50 |
| azend | aruna_: I'm surprised you struggle so much | 00:50 |
| azend | Good IT people are always hard to find | 00:50 |
| aruna_ | it's like this azend, am on disability but I do not much care to be on disability if I am able to work and contribute | 00:51 |
| aruna_ | but no one has given me a break yet in IT, general labour fatory work though is plenty but am not doing that no more | 00:52 |
| aruna_ | been dere, done dat, printed da T-shirts :-) | 00:52 |
| azend | I'm surprised you guys are having such a hard time | 00:53 |
| aruna_ | it's the gospel truth friend | 00:53 |
| azend | You both seem to have experience | 00:53 |
| azend | Because we all know you can't get experience before you get experience ;) | 00:54 |
| aruna_ | hell no bob is a guru, am well... I have my areas where I shine but bob is much more experienced | 00:54 |
| aruna_ | ha haa so true | 00:54 |
| BobJonkman | Bad news: laurelrusswurm just cancelled. So we'll be one short tomorrow | 01:09 |
| aruna_ | oh damn ! why ? | 01:11 |
| aruna_ | well I will send another email on the list and home some linux chix will show up | 01:12 |
| aruna_ | gender balance woudl be nice, we are most times male dominated | 01:13 |
| aruna_ | Michael Kaulbach said he will drop by and drag a couple of friends | 01:15 |
| aruna_ | David Pelly is coming from Cambridge | 01:15 |
| BobJonkman | Hey, Ubuntu Hour Hosts: http://sobac.com/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=f610a6e287145f90f14182e019dde856 | 02:09 |
| zykotick9 | BobJonkman: nice. i remember to horrible hand written signs i used to make/use ;) | 02:29 |
| zykotick9 | BobJonkman: thanks again for the gnusocial group - it's grown, a little to 7 i believe. | 02:30 |
| aruna_ | laurelrusswurm: hi, thank uuu so much for the Ubuntu Hour Toronto stand-up and am sad you are unable to make it this time, will look forward to next time :-) | 02:37 |
| azend | Anyone available to proofreed my terrible writing? http://dl.azend.org/SQ1_FinalQA.pdf | 02:54 |
| azend | Hey BobJonkman thanks for offering the ride | 07:27 |
| azend | If I'm up tomorrow I will get in contact with you | 07:28 |
| azend | otherwise have a great time in T.DOT with aruna :) | 07:28 |
| BobJonkman | azend: OK, call between 10:00am and noon; +1-519-669-0388. Call +1-519-635-9413 after noon. If I haven't heard from you by 12:20pm or so I'll zoom right through Guelph (might make a left turn at Planet Bean, tho) | 07:30 |
| azend | Sounds good | 07:31 |
| azend | Need to get your fix? | 07:31 |
| BobJonkman | Beans! | 07:57 |
| BobJonkman | Off to bed. This morning's beans have just about worn off. | 07:57 |
| azend | hey BobJonkman1 | 16:52 |
| genii | Here at the mall but don't see anyone | 20:34 |
| genii | BobJonkman, azend ... If you guys are around, I'm sitting near Pizza-Pizza/Subway/New York Fries | 20:35 |
| genii | The wifi was crap so have my N4 tethered | 20:36 |
| BobJonkman | Wave or something | 20:38 |
| azend | BobJonkman: | 21:04 |
| BobJonkman | Hi aruna | 21:13 |
| BobJonkman2 | Hi again, aruna | 21:13 |
| BobJonkman2 | Hi aruna_ | 21:14 |
| aruna_ | Hi Bob, thank you and Azend for coming all the way from Kitchner and Michael too | 21:14 |
| BobJonkman2 | So, we're all here at Ubuntu Hour Toronto. I'll have a picture soon | 21:14 |
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| BobJonkman2 | Here's the pics: http://pix.ie/ubuntuca/album/482290/detailed | 22:01 |
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